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Mozilla Responds To Firefox User Backlash Over Pocket Integration
An anonymous reader writes: Last week, Mozilla updated Firefox to add Pocket integration — software that lets you save web articles to read later. Over the weekend, some Firefox users began to voice their displeasure over the move on public forums like Bugzilla, Google Groups, and Hacker News. The complaints center around Pocket being a proprietary third-party service, which already exists as an add-on, and is not a required component for a browser. Integrating Pocket directly into Firefox means it cannot be removed, only disabled. In response, Mozilla has released a statement saying users like the integration and the integration code is open source.
ad block and no script baked in next?
... telling the users what they like. Well done.
Quoth Mozilla from TFA:
Pocket has been a popular Firefox add-on for a long time and we’ve seen that users love to save interesting Web content to easily revisit it later, so it was an easy choice to offer Pocket as a service in Firefox and we’ve gotten lots of positive feedback about the integration from users.
All the code related to this integration within Firefox is open source and Pocket has licensed all the Firefox integration code under the MPLv2 license. On top of that, Pocket asked Mozilla for input on how to improve their policy, based on early comments from Mozillians. After that discussion, Pocket updated their privacy policy in early May to explain more precisely how they handle data. You can read Pocket’s privacy policy here.
Directly integrating Pocket into the browser was a choice we made to provide this feature to our users in the best way possible. To disable Pocket, you can remove it from your toolbar or menu. If Pocket is removed from the toolbar or menu, then the feature is effectively disabled, though you can still find it again by accessing it in the Customize Panel. You can find detailed instructions here.
The "removal instructions" are just to drag the button out of sight, but the bug report asking for actual removal, quoth Manish Goregaokar [:manishearth]:
Pocket is just a bunch of API calls. Firefox UI code is lazy loaded. Put those two together, and yes, Pocket code is effectively "disabled". It will cause no extra baggage until viewed.
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Want FireFox like it was back in the 3.x days?
Ship that by default if you dare!
Obligatory why is all this shit built into Firefox comment here. I don't even want the developer console, on some machines. It's just an annoyance when I accidentally pop it up. Why should I have features that bloat the install if I'm not using them? Make them all extensions. Wasn't that the point of the design? That it's a platform?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Mozilla should also integrate facebook, twitter, gmail, yahoo mail, outlook, pandora, itune..... etc. After all we all users like tight integration, don't we? I am sure this partners can provide minimal client side software under MPLv2.
Seriously, Mozilla should pull this out immediately. It can maintain a site for recommended extensions but should not directly integrate it.
Initially thought it was a new mozilla-run service, but when i clicked through to learn more, it was clear that it was a 3rd-party proprietary service. That's when i removed the 'Pocket' icon from the toolbar: Hamburger --> Customize --> drag it down and out. Kind of annoying that the plugin code bloat remains, but guess that's just something I'll live with for now.
I've been a big user and supporter of Firefox, even through all the performance problems, mis-steps, yahoo search shenanigans, but this is the first time I feel they blatantly went against their philosophy of an open web. Tsk tsk Mozilla.
Firefox was supposed to be a no nonsense browser only. It was supposed to be just a browser with all the "bloat" of the suite cut out. The odd thing is right away the first release of Firefox was a bigger download and took up more memory than Seamonkey. (Windows Platform) Firefox had been changed over to the generic UI framework and was on Gecko Runner. I assumed that these were the reason for the bigger size, but when Seamonkey changed over to these, its memory footprint and download size shrunk.
As it is Seamonkey download is 31MB and Firefox is 38MB. I personally like the old suite and all its options, but I also like that it feels faster.
Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon what's the difference? All steal money from devs and control with walled gardens.
I dunno, just generally stating that users like it is.. well, it doesn't really mean anything. How many users? How many users don't like it? How many are ambivalent about it? What sort of method did Mozilla use in the first place to even come to this conclusion? Me, I have zero use for Hello and I certainly have no use for Pocket, either, and I would have preferred all such things to be left as addons. I do understand Mozilla's motivation, of course; getting kickback funding for such a large ecosystem definitely looks appealing from the economical standpoint and it is, obviously, true that they can't just continue to run everything on air and good-will. Still, I can't help but feel this was poorly handled.
This is why Firefox is losing market share. At one time, I could add whatever add-ons I felt was necessary to make Firefox look like what I wanted it to, and/or what I needed. However, for some time, Mozilla has been adopting a kitchen sink approach, where Firefox will have everything, and instead of being a lean browser, will be as bloated as IE.
If you do not like what the Mozilla Foundation is doing with Firefox, and they don't seem to care what you think - join the millions of us who've already switched to a different browser.
I was a loyal Firefox user for many years, but somewhere along the way Mozilla lost its focus. The things I used to need Firefox for (DOM Inspector, JavaScript debugging, Ad Block) are readily available with other browsers. So I bid adieu to their political agendas and bloated infrastructure (seriously - how much money do you need to develop a web browser?) and moved on.
#DeleteChrome
Let's see if their "Submit Feedback" add-on works... (menu icon -> question mark icon -> Submit Feedback)
What, they asked like 5 users if they liked it?
I'm betting more people do not care/do not want it than those who do.
If I want to save a web page, I'll use a damned bookmark.
Instead of putting this shit in the browser for the small fraction of people who care, how about we leave it as an add-on and those people who want it can add it themselves.
Why must Mozilla keep filling up Firefox with shit that most people have no interest in? Stop wasting my fucking memory with crapware I don't need.
Who the hell is in charge at Mozilla these days? I bunch of guys from marketing?
I hope someone is going to fork it and throw this crap out so we can have a simple web browser, not some swiss-army knife with crap in it we don't care about.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
Mozilla is in the pocket of Big Pocket.
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
First the video chat garbage and now this?! I think it's finally time for me to throw in the towel on Firefox. Any suggestions for a good alternative browser?
... Mozilla has released a statement saying users like the integration...
Maybe Mozilla should stop telling users what they want, and start giving users what they want.
There is a precedent with the "Hello" webrtc calling functionality, which also relies on a proprietary service. I wish Mozilla had invested in writing a decent WebRTC server, it's really something that is missing from the WebRTC ecosystem. Currently we only have MCUs (where all the media goes throught the server) and hosted services, but no good P2P WebRTC service.
Pocket should not be built in to Firefox as it is yet another third party that gets to capture your browser usage. Good old bookmarks have the same function without involving some unknown third party. I do not want the Pocket feature taking up resources on my computer! Leave it as an addon for folks that can't figure out how to use bookmarks.
>> Users: Quit adding unnecessary crap. Stick to the original mission of "leanest browser available."
>> Mozilla: F*** you. Here's some bloatware chasing down some rarely used media extensions.
>> Users: Quit adding unnecessary crap. Stick to the original mission of "leanest browser available."
>> Mozilla: F*** you. Here's a Mozilla "operating system."
>> Users: Quit adding unnecessary crap. Stick to the original mission of "leanest browser available."
>> Mozilla: F*** you. Here are some built-in ads.
>> Users: Quit adding unnecessary crap. Stick to the original mission of "leanest browser available."
>> Mozilla: F*** you. Here is some built-in crapware from Pocket.
>> Users: No, f*** you. We already switched ourselves and everyone we know still running Firefox to Chrome.
someone can build and provide a stripped down version. right?
So Stuart Parmenter removes MNG support from Firefox to save 40 kb of download bandwidth, but now we get bundled third-party apps that most Firefox users do not use just because? I don't buy it. Somebody at Mozilla got paid. It's time to dump Firefox for Chromium.
Yeah, political affiliation has EVERYTHING to do with a web browser. Must be those damned socialists and their damned feelings. How dare someone have empathy for humans?! anyway, what were we talking about? Oh right Firefox! THANKS OBAMA.
how come I have literally never heard of it?
(UN)Suprisingly it also sucks if you WANT pocket and you were registered with them and you have an account and all.
How? They said FF extension won't be supported anymore because Pocket is already in Firefox. Well, the "integrated" version just sends you to Pocket web page when you want to see what you want to read! It is nothing more, just a bookmark (it even shows under Bookmarks button).
While the extension would show your reading list directly, you could dismiss pages without going to pocket web page and so on. MUCH BETTER!
Doesn't Ctrl-S save the page? Or is this something that saves the linked pages also?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
And here it is, the reality of popular open source software. People bitch just as much about it as they do proprietary software.
"You can change the source, you have the power!" Yeah, not so much... nobody is really going to do anything except complain. (Well, except that one guy who is now going to make it his life work to fork it into something he calls Freefox that gets used by around 53 people... but those 53 people are very happy about it.)
All my liberal friends think I'm a conservative, all my conservative friends think I'm a liberal.
Its not part of the general discussion of the firefox backlash, but for those of us neckbeards that dont care for chrome or safari, Qupzilla provides a workable fork of Mozilla firefox with a functional adblock and a much, much slimmer disk footprint on the system.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Using Firefox has become like that relationship that used to be perfect and then out of nowhere your partner starts cheating on you and each time swears its going to be the last time.
And you keep falling for it.
"I'm a humble person really,
I'm actually much greater than I think I am"
It's not like bookmarks or Save Page functionality hasn't existed for more than a decade.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
But open source is supposed to be about what the users want. Firefox lately seems to be more about how many more millions Mozilla can make off their users and they care little about users (since they pay $0).
So Firefox is less of a free sort of software, rather it is has become a commercial product with revenues from ads and other commercial deals with for-profit companies.
What good is open source if users can't/won't change 2 or 3 lines of code?
They would do an ask slashdot about how they've been treating the browser lately.
Isn't that called bookmarks?
Fuck off, we will do any sort of dumb shit that we want and you will like it!
Chome = Spyware
Firefox = Bloat
I'd rather deal with bloat than spyware.
Smells like the same argument as systemd...
Hey Mozilla! Why don't you write some open source code that links to other useful proprietary stuff that folks like, like the h264 capabilities that comes installed on most of the plattforms you are deploying on?
- Henrik
- when the Shadows descend -
"You can change the source, you have the power!" Yeah, not so much... nobody is really going to do anything except complain. (Well, except that one guy who is now going to make it his life work to fork it into something he calls Freefox that gets used by around 53 people... but those 53 people are very happy about it.)
Firefox has been forked already. More than 53 people are very happy about it.
Pale Moon
But open source is supposed to be about what the users want
Since when? Seems to me open source is primarily about what the developers want, and if the 'user' happens to have developer skills he can make it what he wants. Which open source projects are the ones that do what the users (vs developers) want?
I use Firefox and have been using Pocket (from a bookmarklet) for ages. So I guess that makes me one of the FF users that likes Pocket. However even I don't think it's in the slightest bit appropriate to integrate the service into the browser.
As it happens, I have my FF UI so heavily customized (menus and status bars forever, man) that I don't see any visible trace of Pocket and didn't know it had been added in this way until this article popped up.
OMG!!! Ponies!!!
Keep adding some features coming from some pet projects of the most vocal developers that a great part of the user base doesn't care... while products that gets bloated, slower and buggy at every interaction. Somehow this doesn't seem like a good business strategy.
Personal experience: Changed to Chrome about 3 months ago... since I learned to live with the definitively less advanced tab management, everything has been better. Much faster and less buggy.
Apparently it does, look what happened to their former CEO Eich.
1.about: config
2. Find browser.pocket.enabled preference and change its value to ‘false’.
3. To remove Reader view, change reader.parse-on-load.enabled preference value to ‘false‘.
4. Restart the browser to see the changes.
-S
Ok, fine, some number* of people are very happy about it.
* some number that is insignificantly different from 53
All my liberal friends think I'm a conservative, all my conservative friends think I'm a liberal.
But open source is supposed to be about what the users want
Since when? Seems to me open source is primarily about what the developers want, and if the 'user' happens to have developer skills he can make it what he wants. Which open source projects are the ones that do what the users (vs developers) want?
Open source is more centric on the developers, yes. They are not strictly obligated to listen to their users. However, if you make something that people depend on everyday for their use, the product itself becomes rather personal to them. Observe: if I were to loan you my Netflix account, and let you use it however you liked, you would become rather annoyed with me if I took it away from you after several months of use. It's human nature; you form attachments to things you interact frequently with. If Mozilla explicitly was developed solely for their developers use, I think they should have explicitly said so. Navigate to their home page, and what do you see? "When it’s personal, choose Firefox." Right there, big bold letters. Turning around and then telling their users that they aren't entitled to anything does not send good messages, it makes them look deceitful.
Mozilla hasn't done anything technically wrong, but they've done an exceptionally poor job of communicating what their user's position in their eye was. Or perhaps their policies changed over time. Who knows, but it's one reason why I prefer to rely on Seamonkey instead as a web-browser.
"Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
"You can change the source, you have the power!" Yeah, not so much... nobody is really going to do anything except complain. (Well, except that one guy who is now going to make it his life work to fork it into something he calls Freefox that gets used by around 53 people... but those 53 people are very happy about it.)
Firefox has been forked already. More than 53 people are very happy about it. Pale Moon
Seamonkey is a pretty decent cousin. It's what Firefox itself was forked from!
"Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
some Firefox users began to voice their displeasure over the move on public forums like Bugzilla, Google Groups, and Hacker News
These forums may be technically "open to the public," but that doesn't make them visible, accessible or inviting to anyone but the geek.
Which is one of the principal reasons why the geek gets sandbagged every time the infinitely greater mass of users move in a direction he doesn't want or expect them to go.
Integrated DRM media play in or through the browser will serve as an example.
His defenses there have crumbled.
With all the new crust being thrown into Firefox, Seamonkey may soon be the lighter alternative.
I prefer Seamonkey and almost always use it, with noscript, on the desktop, because I still believe in the ideal of a symmetrical web. The software I use to view HTML is also capable of producing it . If I encounter content I want to save locally, I click 'edit' and trim out the ads and junk and save it. When I want to organize information I sometimes stick it in tables on an html file and even sometimes scp it to the html directory on my Freeshell account so I can view it anywhere. (it's my non-cloud)
Anybody who can read html content should be capable of easily composing it. That's the old Web Suite philosophy.
Of course we'll bundle Pocket with the new release of the browser! Our customers expect no less of us. We have never sought to become a monopoly. Our products are simply so good that no one feels the need to compete with us.
--Where do you want your Browser today?
CEO Nwabudike Morgan
Since when? Seems to me open source is primarily about what the developers want
Open Source projects on the scale of Firefox and LibreOffice are all about what their patrons are wiling to pay for ---
and patrons of the arts on the grand scale, the state, the church, the merchant prince, have always had a targeted audience of "users" whose needs and expectations must be met.
The artist, architect or engineer, who put his own desires first soon finds himself off the payroll.
So what you are saying is that once someone does something you like (and gets nothing in return from you), they are somehow obligated (technically, legally, morally, whatever) to continue doing that for you (for free) forever? How entitled can you get?
So how many of the people complaining about this actually pay Mozilla anything? And what makes you think the people who actually are paying don't want these changes?
The fork is there. Others took the initiative, despite your assertions to the contrary.
What was your opinion of Brendan Eich getting sacked due to his political affiliation/donation record?
dammit, saw your post, right after I hit 'submit' :( blerg.
I'd love it if Firefox integrated the Pocket add-on. The existence Firefox Pocket add-on is the primary reason I use Firefox!
The problem is what they integrated is the far inferior Pocket Firefox "service", and they announced that the add-on is no longer supported.
Features of the add-on, that were dropped from the service:
It's almost like the point of the service is to drive traffic to the Pocket site's page.
What's the point of Firefox integration if it is no better than a barely functional service? Integration from the browser vender should enable the function to be used transparently.
Why do I care how many other people use it right now? Browsers come and go. It's maintained at present, and it works well.
Posted from my Pale Moon.
So what you are saying is that once someone does something you like (and gets nothing in return from you), they are somehow obligated (technically, legally, morally, whatever) to continue doing that for you (for free) forever? How entitled can you get?
It's about expectations. If Mozilla never expected to accommodate their users, they should never have written their statements to make it sound like they will. It turns out that saying one thing and doing the opposite tends to draw people's ire.
"Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
That way I can read it later when I have time.
Care to provide evidence of that?
I have no problems with Mozilla integrating 3rd party services when that client code is open source. Hey! a browser is already a client for millions of closed source services via HTTP. What I don't like is Mozilla putting buttons for those services by default on my toolbar, that is adware like behavior
However my stance on the issues with firefox changed very little
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TLDR: The stability (under the 64bit waterfox build) is pretty much where I want it, it doesn't crash.
However,...the performance is atrocious compared to chrome, I don't know what kind of machine to throw at this browser but there needs to be a better way.
I've tried with / without the noscript, with / without adblock and flashblock - nope still no good.
It's sad.
Stop adding bloat, start trimming and tidying and optomising code.
My personal, non software developer, layman opinion is almost every web site, almost every application, almost every game and almost every operating system - almost all software in existence really should have **national optomisation week** where NO FEATURES ARE ADDED, NO UI'S CHANGED and for 1 week a year they simply try to speed up their old code.
Seriously.... developers are still behaving like it's 1995 -> 2008 or so, when everything endlessly doubled in performance. Hint: PC performance increase have slowed. Start coding cleaner.
1 week a year, think about it devs, please.
But why should the complainers pay anything? The open source deal implies, the developer gets paid little to nothing for his work and the users get free software. Isn't that why these products become popular in the first place ($0 price tag)? The developers can't pull a bait-and-switch afterwards saying they're tired of providing free software and want to add changes to the software that make them money but are harmful to the users.
Firefox is still the greatest browser, and if new features bother you too much, it's always dead easy to disable them. You only have to do it once per install. about:config Disable Firefox Hello loop.enabled = false Disable Pocket browser.pocket.enabled = flase Disable One-Click Search Bar (revert to old search) browser.search.showOneOffButtons = false Enable Firefox Tracking Protection (Disconnect) privacy.trackingprotection.enabled = true
Is there one?
Moz put some crap chatty-thing on my toolbar without asking which I had to remove, why can't I have wither a no-bloat add-on or an about:config no-bloat setting (=false in my case)
about:config
Disable Firefox Hello
loop.enabled = false
Disable Pocket
browser.pocket.enabled = flase
Disable One-Click Search Bar (revert to old search)
browser.search.showOneOffButtons = false
Enable Firefox Tracking Protection (like Disconnect)
privacy.trackingprotection.enabled = true
Bonus: replace Adblock with the Open-Source and superior uBlock: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-...
>"Mozilla has released a statement saying users like the integration"
I don't know any such users. In fact, most people I know agree that Mozilla needs to stop this trend of adding things to Firefox; it goes completely contrary to the Firefox mission (or what I thought it used to be, anyway)- to be small, open, cross-platform, and fast.
So please remove it. And then remove Hello. In fact, remove the developer stuff too (which 99.999% of users never use). Please use Addons/Extensions for these things. And while you are at it- LISTEN TO YOUR USER BASE who want full control over the UI options (Should I mention tabs-on-bottom? Or status panel? Or traditional file menus?). Stop trying to be Chrome!!!
I almost get the feeling they are intentionally trying to destroy FF. It is not just that they added pocket there have been a number of ridiculous UI tweaks, bugs and performance issues that is forcing me off Firefox. With this update I figured it was just another idiotic customization to undo whatever they changed. But now it hangs on some webpages (pretty consistently) on both my phone and PC. So now I am at the point where it is unusable too many times a day and effecting my productivity. I'm done.
They were paid a kickback by pocket to include it. Nothing else makes sense. A poster above listed pocket downloads at 275k. That's worldwide. Not even statistically significant imho.
Eich wasn't terminated because of his political affiliation. He was terminated because he's a bigot.
Sure. More than half the population of the US is bigoted.
Ever look in the mirror?
As somebody who has used FF since Phoenix, the most annoying functionality break in recent FF builds is the search box. You can no longer pick your search engine before typing, defeating the benefit of any predictive auto-complete.
Sure, but my bigotry doesn't extend beyond individuals. I don't condemn entire groups of people like Brendan Eich does.
I like Pocket. I use Pocket. It's a nifty way to have a bunch of articles categorized so when people say stupid things like black people loot and white people band together. I can pull together the many articles showing people looking and rioting over pumpkins so regularly it's expected. When someone wants to talk about how scary the rise of false rape allegations is I can pull together the numerous articles I've saved on that subject to explain to them why they're wrong. I think Pocket is great. I use pocket to keep design links that I'll find useful. Videos of people spending hours just creating graphics for games that I find compelling and educational. I keep links to brushes and background and resources for various projects. Pocket is in my opinion pretty awesome even though I use it not as intended most of the time. I still don't want it integrated into my browser.
Just another second banana
But open source is supposed to be about what the users want.
Only because of the idea that the users have the ability to change the code to do what they want, but the reality is they don't want to do that.
Firefox lately seems to be more about how many more millions Mozilla can make off their users and they care little about users (since they pay $0).
What's wrong with that?
So Firefox is less of a free sort of software, rather it is has become a commercial product with revenues from ads and other commercial deals with for-profit companies.
I don't think you understand the definition of "free software", it has nothing to do with making revenue or monetary value or for-profit companies.
What good is open source if users can't/won't change 2 or 3 lines of code?
Not much, which is probably why few people care about open source - developers sure - but not users.
The open source deal implies, the developer gets paid little to nothing for his work and the users get free software.
No, it doesn't imply that at all.
Isn't that why these products become popular in the first place ($0 price tag)?
No, IE also has a $0 price tag.
The developers can't pull a bait-and-switch afterwards saying they're tired of providing free software and want to add changes to the software that make them money but are harmful to the users.
But that's not what they're doing because they still are providing free software.
He's entitled to choose a different web browser, you got a problem with that?
So Mozilla crapped on the 38.x ESR release in two ways:
- Adobe's DRM crap was integrated right from the start
- 38.0.5 integrated Pocket
Since support for 31 ESR will run out soon, there are really not many choices here. Either make a custom build or move to another browser. Or perhaps there is a third way: use Tor browser (without Tor), they seem to be good at removing crap from the Firefox.
Luckily there are some emerging alternatives:
http://fifth-browser.sourceforge.net/
http://otter-browser.org/
But open source is supposed to be about what the users want.
No. Open source allows users to extend a project to turn it into what they want. It has NEVER been about what users want. These are ultimately still projects by developers with their own needs and agendas. If you find a nice developer and ask nicely they *may* add the features you want, but there's zero guarantee that an open source project is managed any differently from a closed source project.
What good is open source if users can't/won't change 2 or 3 lines of code?
You mean like the users who changed lines of code to make WaterFox, PaleMoon, SeaMonkey, IceWeasel, IceCat, Wyzo, or other similar projects in various states of development?
Open source, like proprietary software, is supposed to be about what the contributors want. In the proprietary COTS model, it's easy to identify the contributors: they're the ones handing over money in exchange for the product. In the bespoke model - proprietary or open - it's usually the person paying the developers salary. In the mass-market open source model, it's much harder (and may be a mixture of volunteer devs / doc writers / bug reporters and so on, as well as some people funding the project). For Mozilla, most of the work is done by people who are paid, but their salaries come from from an income stream (money from the default search provider and so on) that makes it quite difficult to see who the contributors are. Technically, they're probably the users, since that's essentially how Moz Corp gets its money, but via a lot of layers of indirection.
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Mozilla derives its income from things like search placement, which are paid proportionally to the number of users, so effectively anyone who uses Firefox and doesn't change the default search engine is a paying customer.
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I don't understand the point of this Pocket stuff (or Wallabag, which someone mentioned as similar). Would someone please explain what use it has?
For Pocket, I read "If it's in Pocket, it's on your phone, tablet or computer. You don't even need an Internet connection."
OK, but how is that different from Ctrl-S (Save page)?
For Wallabag, apparently you still need an Internet connection: "when you open your wallabag, you can comfortably read your articles. [...] you can install it on your web server or you can create a free account at Framabag.
So how is that different from just bookmarking the page?
And here it is, the reality of popular open source software. People bitch just as much about it as they do proprietary software.
"You can change the source, you have the power!" Yeah, not so much... nobody is really going to do anything except complain. (Well, except that one guy who is now going to make it his life work to fork it into something he calls Freefox that gets used by around 53 people... but those 53 people are very happy about it.)
pale moon is already forked from Firefox/Mozilla
https://www.palemoon.org/
and has more than 53 users.
Flappinbooger isn't my real name
systemd/Firefox integration.
Condemn what? You're still "condemning" polygamists, single people, related folks, etc. Laws by definition condemn certain things, that's their purpose.
First off, I'd fire most of the useless people (except devs)...
* Designers will all be fired - replace that will design suggestions from the community, and use voting to pick out the best that users WANT;
* HR - all fired, and instead use the senior dev and the ceo as people who hire;
* Accounts - leave only 1 person to deal with the non-profit paperwork, and paperwork / contracts associated with external funding from Yahoo / Google / Microsoft;
* Marketing - all fired - get the open source community to once-again evangelise Firefox like the good-old-days;
Secondly, improve the core browser...
* Assign ALL devs working full speed on implementing electrolysis (multi-process Firefox) as the number-one priority;
After that..
* Remove all the bloated features not used by 99% of normal people (Pocket / Hello / dev tools / share / sync / etc) - all downloadable as extensions;
* Hire all the ad-block team in-house and integrate ad-block in the browser with the 'acceptable ads policy' so as not to annoy my primary source of funding (Yahoo)... and then get companies to COMPLY with MY demands on acceptable ads and get them to pay Firefox to add themselves to the 'acceptable ads list';
(this will have all the retarded ad / beacon companies running around in havoc, just like when Mozilla wanted to implement 'no 3rd party cookies').
As time went on...
Implement a voting system, and get the community to vote on the biggest priority issues and features that they wanted - perhaps even have the voting on the homepage of Firefox.
Perhaps also, if Firefox OS was taking too much toll on the devs, and little or no income as a result of it, then I'd dump the entire project.
The it's is that google stopped doing cash on them. They need money. And rather than their oh so expectant users paying for a product they use, they should go to a different browser? Man, open source is ducked. I hope you enjoy your corporate sponsored spyware browsers!
Mozilla is a not-for-profit foundation.
Palemoon is considerably more shit than Firefox.
This is why I use Seamonkey! :-)
Well, speaking personally, this Firefox user doesn't want it.
Keep it simple. Keep it small. Keep it from Embrace/Extend/Extinguish!
Something I've always wondered about a handjob: Why is it called a hand "job" when sex acts for hire are illegal in the jurisdictions where most of Slashdot's audience reside?
How do you plan to do P2P WebRTC when both parties are behind network address translation (NAT)?
Mozilla is a not-for-profit foundation.
Right, so the money they do make gets poured back into development to create better products.
uBlock
Would you care to highlight some of the features of uBlock, especially vis-a-vis uMatrix?
Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur...
"Force shits upon Reason's back." - Poor Richard's Almanac
Where did I say anything like that? Hint: I didn't and now you're trying to put words into my mouth because your argument was crushed to ashes.
No, I am not condemning any of those people. They can do whatever they like, doesn't affect my life in the slightest.
Why aren't they packing the stuff, which annoys the user, in like 40 extensions (pocket, sync, apps integration, personas, australis theme, js console, mobile developer tools, hello, ...) and preinstall them?
- They still have many users, who use the default
- The annoyed users disable the addons
- They can benchmark the small firefox to show how fast it is instead of the current monster in the next benchmarks.
chromium: Lean and not spyware.
BUT not very extenable compared to firefox
This was the official statement.
But kicking someone because of his private personal opinions (even when they are mean) is something no company should do. It's not like he was "let's integrate anti-gay propaganda into the firefox startpage".
how is that different from Ctrl-S (Save page)?
Pocket saves your pages in the cloud so that more data about you can be mined.
"The main difference between uBlock and uMatrix is that uBlock uses pattern-based filtering while uMatrix matrix-based filtering which gives you more control over the filtering process....In comparison to NoScript, it is offering finer controls when it comes to content types to block. While NoScript does support custom site exclusions, it is not as easy to setup, and as far as RequestPolicy is concerned, it is more of a allow or deny type of program with little granularity.
The extension works like a firewall basically that gives you control over what is loaded when you connect to web pages in the browser.'
I haven't used uMatrix, but found that info at: http://www.ghacks.net/2015/05/...
Any article I want to read later I drag to the bookmark toolbar. Done! Can even stuff a folder with multiple links in there. With sync enabled I can access it on any one of my systems. Not sure what the need is for yet another tool? Is it because people do not know how to bookmark pages? Or is it that by default all the helpful UI controls are hidden and turned off? The Mozillas should work on getting a handle of the still excessive memory leaks in FF. That would do everyone more good than some 3rd party proprietary service.
Eich was fired because he sucked as a CEO. The board made a mistake to promote him to that position and he did plenty of objectionable and outright dumb stuff even before dropping his comment.
His sucking was to oppose EME, to speak the truth.
Please be aware that I'm not asking you to agree with it, I just want to know that you understand that content creators need revenue even if you think this is not the way it should be done.
I take great pleasure in starving your type of the revenue you "need." I hope you literally starve to death in a ditch, so that your idiot ideas and worthless shit web sites/browsers will disappear into oblivion, never to re-emerge.
Free clue: We DO NOT need you.
Die slowly in a fire.