Most of the case against DeCSS seems to revolve around the "fact" that DeCSS would aid movie pirates to copy discs, which is untrue. As far as I know, the only purpose of DeCSS is to decrypt the disc, for either realtime play or to store the disk as an MPEG, under an open source license. If a pirate wanted to copy a disc, he would just copy it without decrypting it; and nobody is going to upload a multi gigabyte file (nevermind download it). So why, in your opinion, does the case have so many mentionings of movie piracy in it? -- Talon Karrde
Well, if people want the Internet in DOS over a modem, go get Arachne. It's an excellent graphical web browser for DOS with PPP and most other Internet tools built in, and it doubles as a GUI for basic file manipulation. A linux console version is in development.... something to watch, as this is an excellent browser for embedded systems...
It's the same as Caldera WebSpyder (Caldera licensed the code from them.)
This, coupled with FreeDos, and perhaps some old Apogee games, makes a 386 with 4MB of ram fun again. -- Talon Karrde
Skins can give you the basic look and feel of any interface you want for your XMMS / WinAmp player.
XMMS uses WinAmp skins, and a huge mass of them are available at winamp.com. As much as all you linux junkies hate going to anything with Win in the title:), there's some good stuff there... you can find just about anything. Or go to a search engine and search for "winamp skins".
Personally, I've found the BeAmp skin gives a good BeOS feel, if you want something that's like standard GUI widgets. There are also nicer skins with custom UI's-- the Fusion based ones are nice, I believe one of those is XMMS's base skin (it is in the version I have, anyway), or try X-perienze for a quasi-futuristic look.
You can always design your own skin too. -- Talon Karrde
Not sure about this, but I think it would require quite a bit of CPU power. I don't quite get how it works, but either a) the CPU calculates what to do and the thing does it, or b) it takes position, rotation, and gravity, etc from the game and calculates it itself.
Hopefully it doesn't snag the CPU power. Perhaps it can interface with 3D cards using OpenGL (or DirectX) and use values given by those to simulate the motion...
On a related thought, wouldn't it be behind the screen by a frame at least? It would need the data from the previous frame and the data from the current frame to calculate the change in position / orientation. Wouldn't it lag behind and disorient people unless tthey had framerates faster than the limit at which the mind can tell?
Of course, I could be completetly wrong on all accounts. -- Talon Karrde
>I mean yeah, it looks cool, but this guy had to have spent a hell of a lot of time doing this! Wouldn't it be a bit cooler to spend this time doing something remotely useful, and getting paid for it? Perhaps this is just my way of thinking...
You knew some karma-whore like me would Have to compare this to open source. But, seeing as how I've said that, do I actually have to type it out for you? OK then, I won't. But remember, others might not let you off with so little as a warning. -- Talon Karrde
an (insert hot media-personality here) naked-and-petrified statue with a PalmPilot embedded in it? Of course, you could just take that rosewood case and leave it for a thousand years, and then it would be petrified wood! Sweet...
Notice that this isn't a troll: it's on topic, and does not deal with specific people. -- Talon Karrde
> you would have, but Microsoft cancelled all attemps at it being cross-plattform, when they bought it
They bought it? Who made it originally?
>impossible to read and understand by human eyes
And you can set up linux? Wow, you're stupid and smart simultaneously! Regedit keys make perfect sense. A bit of help might... help (need a synonym!), but most people don't have to edit the registry to hange program setup values. Program setup values are done with nice "Control Panel" boxes (example, KDE's setup in Linux is similar).
The average joe shouldn't have to go and use... joe (running out of synonym jokes:) to edit text files to set up his computer. The ability should be there but you shouldn't have to use it: read, manual-override if neccesary, auto-pilot for everybody else.
I know Linux pretty well, and I don't like editing text files. I would like nice graphical config just as much as a newbie. Of course, steps are being made in this direction: and to the authors of these programs, I say: keep at it!
You mean/etc/* right? That would be the closest equivelent to a registry.
Perhaps somebody (not me, i know dick-asll about progamming) could make a simple program which shows all the files in/etc in a regedit-like view, and when clicked on in the left pain, opens the file for editing in the right pane. Of course it would save backups, etc.
A nice GNOME/KDE interface and some simple HTML help, and you've got Linux "Regedit". Believe it or not, I think power users would appreciate this as much as "lusers".
Yeah, maybe opengl is included with OS's now, but without a supported (read: more expensive) 3D accelerator, opengl is slow.
Perhaps as people get more 3d-savvy the lack of opengl support will fade. But I have never heard of a 3D card that Direct3D won't run accelerated. And most games that have both D3D and GL run faster and more stably on D3D (on all the PC's i've used, at least).
But then again, you're an AC. >but I guess you couldn't be bothered to check facts before making yourself look like an idiot on a public forum.
Ha ha ha, you don't know anything about DOS, do you? You poor fool!
Dos is a single-user single-tasking OS, perfect for what it does. I have never, ever, seen DOS crash; as for DOS apps, I have only ever seen one crash (WordPerfect 5.1, trying to save to a full disk). DOS games, using DOS4GW, don't crash much either.
Dos is not poorly designed. Programs all ran at what I would call "processor level"; they could, using assembler calls, directly access the processor and feed it ops... resulting in blazing speed. They could also call software-interruupts from the DOS kernel. As for a user level, there is none. User levels and such are great for connected, networked OS's that have to worry about security. DOS was not designed for that. Hence, it boots faster, runs faster, and is probably just as easy to se as command-line linux.
Windows is a different story. It is a cheap hack. NT is far better, a step in the right direction. It is not better than linux, and neither is Win9x/3.x. Don't get the idea that I'm defending Windows. I'm defending DOS, the little OS that could. -- Talon Karrde
How can a partition "go bad"? If the partition information is lost on the first few clsuters of disk, then likely the disk will become completely bad... usually more than one partition would get affected, don't you think?
And if it's just bad cluster damage in that partition, don't tell me Linux can't handle it. DOS could handle that since DOS 3 with Norton. EXT2 and the fabulous fsck should be able to map aroung bad clusters too. -- Talon Karrde
Prehaps the "average" linux user You're referring to is the kind that we see hunched over in the compuetr lab at school, drooling slowly while typing out "notes to self".
I'm what I would condier an average linux user... and I only ever bother with one partition, becuase it's a bitch to go and mount another partition as/home,/usr, etc. If I wanted lots of partitions I'd go use FAT16 with Dos 5 and Windows 3.1. Then I could make lots of 2 GB partitions and spread out my data easily, because I wouldn't have to worry about putting things in the right spot.
Well, the first 386's (Compaq Deskpro 386 was one of the first) came out in 1986. You could geta "monster" 170 mb HDD with one of these... but that's the ultra high end stuff.
The usual would be a 12-mhz 286 with 1 mb of ram and a 40MB hdd (I had one of those!)
That's not even enough to hold the unencoded WAV file for a typical 3-minute song, is it...
BTW, 9600 baud modems were out then and the 19.2 ones were well in development (but they got surpassed by 14.4s? Don't quite know why, but 19.2s weren't very common.) I had a 2400 baud modem and I used it to connect to BBSs. I had FidoNet email. That rocked!
The industry always knew it would be possible to rip the CDs... after all, they were digital in the first place, and any schmoe with a brain could see that software piracy was everywhere (yes, even back then). They just didn't think that it could be distributed so easily... they were more concerned about people taping their CDs and selling them to friends.
(This is a complement, not a response, to it's parent post... in case y'all are confused:)
>Software is 100% mathematical. It is the epitome of Logic. Machines are PHYSICAL objects. If we could copy machines at no cost, then I think I'd find it fair play to "copy" a sports car and lots of petrol with it. We are already allowed to tweak our cars AND RESELL THEM. Why not software?
Ahh, but if you could copy cars, wouldn't they still be under copyright? Copying my Porsche so you could have one would be piracy! Find me an open source car, please! (Not that that would stop me from copying a Jag from somebody:) -- Talon Karrde
I'd love to help everyone else, but there has to be some kind of reciprocity involved.
In other words, I'll help everybody else when I know (or suspect) that they'll help everyine else too, rather than... (cheesy metaphor warning): sucking at my tits and then selling the milk on the side.
I'm assuming you mean a BINARY ONLY distributed program... becuase RPMs and DEBs are binary unless otherwsie specified (SRPMs and debian source archives)
X runs great on a 386. I ran it on my PS/2 that I got for free dumpster-diving. Standard 8154/a graphics adapter, it has a blitter, so no problem. It was a 306/33 with 4 mb ram, and an 80 mb hdd. Sure, it was now what would be considered an "Ancient" linux; Debian Bo it was, libc5 based. But it booted in 45 seconds, logged in in 10, and Gimp 0.? started in less than a minute.
Kernel compiles were about six hours; start one at night and wake up to completion.
486/50's and above with 8MB ram and a decent 2d-accelerator (anything by s3, they make great 2d accellerators) usually have full support and work great. Linux works better than Windows does on slow boxes... not that it should be delegated to one.
Linux also runs great on my K6-2 450 with 128mb's of ram and a TNT2 with GLX support.
Don't go sayin' that 386's are slow... try "2ndreality" by the Future Crew to understand that they aren't (look at hornet.org for lots of PC demos.)
New! From the developer of Linux, Linus Torvalds, comes "Smellinux", the first open-source iSmell system!
Inspired by the recent research into computer-generated smell technology, Linux began work on the Smellinux kernel. The Smellinux kernel runs on the OpenSmell box, an free-to-build hardware device (schematics are available at the website) based on the Crusoe processor. Smellinux processes smells encoded with Gnu glibSmell, the iSmell proprietary format, and RealAroma 3-vial hex triplets. It then passes them to the Crusoe processor (which runs in a custom Smellinux mode, rather than an x86 mode), which controls the various chemicals and the output fan.
Also included with the Smellinux kernel is a patch to the 2.2.x kernels (the 2.3.x kernel series will include the driver as a loadable module soon) in order to create the following devices:
/dev/smelldecode (decodes smells from other formats into glibSmell smells) /dev/opensmell0,/dev/opensmell1 (sends smell data to the OpenSmell box; two are supported for stereo smells, and later versions may include surround-smell support) /dev/readsmell (reads smells, currently in beta testing and only supported on first OpenSmell device; ECP/EPP port required. Currently available schematics do not include the smell-reading technology).
The OpenSmell device connects to your computer via a standard parallel port. It generates smells with a complex genome-based chemical-release system. Some chemicals may not be available to the average builder of the device, so Linus has decided that the OpenSmell device (and Smellinux) will be sold as boxed packages under the terms of the GPL relating to sales of open-source products. The schematics can be modified by anyone, allowing them to build custom smell-boxes for special applications. See Smellinux.com for more details.
Linus said, when interviewed, that the OpenSmell and Smellinux technologies "... smelled like a breath of fresh air". The approximate cost of the device, when purchased in a package, should be $150 USD. Chemical refills should be around $15 to $25 USD.
Heheheheeh Dee deee doo ba doo dee da doo ba dee da doo doo.... ahahahahahhaha i laughed for ten minutes straight.
hhahhahaha!
I bet this is even offtopic! Smells like evil moderation!
My submission: Nirvana's website should smell like teen spirit. (a mix of CK 1, some Tommy Hilfiger crap, a kid wearing his dad's old-spice, and some girls wearing that vanilla stuff that I like.)
I guess the GPL is not licensed under the GPL then. ...Can you license a document under the license that _is_ the document? Interesting thought...
I suppose it's good that the GPL isn't GPL'd though, otherwise we'd have GPLfOrKeWlWaReZdOoDz!11! and people would change their GPL'd program to any version of the GPL they wanted, and then they could close open source programs... and i'm rambling.
I hope I at least get a (2, Funny) for this one. I've been trying for two months to get a Funny.:) --
I got that too... with the midi player. It became a real bitch... eventually I got the app closed and managed to get rid of midi support. I didn't have internet back then so I didn't really have any software that needed midi. But otherwise, OS2 was beautiful.
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Most of the case against DeCSS seems to revolve around the "fact" that DeCSS would aid movie pirates to copy discs, which is untrue.
As far as I know, the only purpose of DeCSS is to decrypt the disc, for either realtime play or to store the disk as an MPEG, under an open source license.
If a pirate wanted to copy a disc, he would just copy it without decrypting it; and nobody is going to upload a multi gigabyte file (nevermind download it).
So why, in your opinion, does the case have so many mentionings of movie piracy in it?
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Talon Karrde
I'm not an american, but why would the NSA tell CNN that one of their spy computers crashed?
Isn't the NSA the head spy-board, bigger than the CIA and the FBI together?
Weird....
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Talon Karrde
Well, if people want the Internet in DOS over a modem, go get Arachne. It's an excellent graphical web browser for DOS with PPP and most other Internet tools built in, and it doubles as a GUI for basic file manipulation.
A linux console version is in development.... something to watch, as this is an excellent browser for embedded systems...
It's the same as Caldera WebSpyder (Caldera licensed the code from them.)
This, coupled with FreeDos, and perhaps some old Apogee games, makes a 386 with 4MB of ram fun again.
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Talon Karrde
Skins can give you the basic look and feel of any interface you want for your XMMS / WinAmp player.
:), there's some good stuff there... you can find just about anything. Or go to a search engine and search for "winamp skins".
XMMS uses WinAmp skins, and a huge mass of them are available at winamp.com.
As much as all you linux junkies hate going to anything with Win in the title
Personally, I've found the BeAmp skin gives a good BeOS feel, if you want something that's like standard GUI widgets.
There are also nicer skins with custom UI's-- the Fusion based ones are nice, I believe one of those is XMMS's base skin (it is in the version I have, anyway), or try X-perienze for a quasi-futuristic look.
You can always design your own skin too.
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Talon Karrde
Not sure about this, but I think it would require quite a bit of CPU power. I don't quite get how it works, but either a) the CPU calculates what to do and the thing does it, or b) it takes position, rotation, and gravity, etc from the game and calculates it itself.
Hopefully it doesn't snag the CPU power. Perhaps it can interface with 3D cards using OpenGL (or DirectX) and use values given by those to simulate the motion...
On a related thought, wouldn't it be behind the screen by a frame at least? It would need the data from the previous frame and the data from the current frame to calculate the change in position / orientation. Wouldn't it lag behind and disorient people unless tthey had framerates faster than the limit at which the mind can tell?
Of course, I could be completetly wrong on all accounts.
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Talon Karrde
>I mean yeah, it looks cool, but this guy had to have spent a hell of a lot of time doing this! Wouldn't it be a bit cooler to spend this time doing something remotely useful, and getting paid for it? Perhaps this is just my way of thinking...
You knew some karma-whore like me would Have to compare this to open source.
But, seeing as how I've said that, do I actually have to type it out for you?
OK then, I won't. But remember, others might not let you off with so little as a warning.
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Talon Karrde
an (insert hot media-personality here) naked-and-petrified statue with a PalmPilot embedded in it?
Of course, you could just take that rosewood case and leave it for a thousand years, and then it would be petrified wood! Sweet...
Notice that this isn't a troll: it's on topic, and does not deal with specific people.
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Talon Karrde
> you would have, but Microsoft cancelled all attemps at it being cross-plattform, when they bought it
:) to edit text files to set up his computer.
They bought it? Who made it originally?
>impossible to read and understand by human eyes
And you can set up linux? Wow, you're stupid and smart simultaneously! Regedit keys make perfect sense. A bit of help might... help (need a synonym!), but most people don't have to edit the registry to hange program setup values. Program setup values are done with nice "Control Panel" boxes (example, KDE's setup in Linux is similar).
The average joe shouldn't have to go and use... joe (running out of synonym jokes
The ability should be there but you shouldn't have to use it: read, manual-override if neccesary, auto-pilot for everybody else.
I know Linux pretty well, and I don't like editing text files. I would like nice graphical config just as much as a newbie. Of course, steps are being made in this direction: and to the authors of these programs, I say: keep at it!
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Talon Karrde
You mean /etc/* right?
/etc in a regedit-like view, and when clicked on in the left pain, opens the file for editing in the right pane.
That would be the closest equivelent to a registry.
Perhaps somebody (not me, i know dick-asll about progamming) could make a simple program which shows all the files in
Of course it would save backups, etc.
A nice GNOME/KDE interface and some simple HTML help, and you've got Linux "Regedit". Believe it or not, I think power users would appreciate this as much as "lusers".
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Talon Karrde
Can you wife install linux though, and set up the PPP and other tools?
Anybody can set up windows.....
well unless you're a carrot.
And if you're a carrot you're asking to get stewed.
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Talon Karrde
Yeah, maybe opengl is included with OS's now, but without a supported (read: more expensive) 3D accelerator, opengl is slow.
Perhaps as people get more 3d-savvy the lack of opengl support will fade.
But I have never heard of a 3D card that Direct3D won't run accelerated.
And most games that have both D3D and GL run faster and more stably on D3D (on all the PC's i've used, at least).
But then again, you're an AC.
>but I guess you couldn't be bothered to check facts before making yourself look like an idiot on a public forum.
(hypocrite!)
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Talon Karrde
Ha ha ha, you don't know anything about DOS, do you?
You poor fool!
Dos is a single-user single-tasking OS, perfect for what it does. I have never, ever, seen DOS crash; as for DOS apps, I have only ever seen one crash (WordPerfect 5.1, trying to save to a full disk).
DOS games, using DOS4GW, don't crash much either.
Dos is not poorly designed. Programs all ran at what I would call "processor level"; they could, using assembler calls, directly access the processor and feed it ops... resulting in blazing speed. They could also call software-interruupts from the DOS kernel.
As for a user level, there is none. User levels and such are great for connected, networked OS's that have to worry about security. DOS was not designed for that. Hence, it boots faster, runs faster, and is probably just as easy to se as command-line linux.
Windows is a different story. It is a cheap hack. NT is far better, a step in the right direction. It is not better than linux, and neither is Win9x/3.x. Don't get the idea that I'm defending Windows. I'm defending DOS, the little OS that could.
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Talon Karrde
How can a partition "go bad"?
If the partition information is lost on the first few clsuters of disk, then likely the disk will become completely bad... usually more than one partition would get affected, don't you think?
And if it's just bad cluster damage in that partition, don't tell me Linux can't handle it. DOS could handle that since DOS 3 with Norton. EXT2 and the fabulous fsck should be able to map aroung bad clusters too.
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Talon Karrde
yeah, ummmm...
/home, /usr, etc.
Prehaps the "average" linux user You're referring to is the kind that we see hunched over in the compuetr lab at school, drooling slowly while typing out "notes to self".
I'm what I would condier an average linux user... and I only ever bother with one partition, becuase it's a bitch to go and mount another partition as
If I wanted lots of partitions I'd go use FAT16 with Dos 5 and Windows 3.1. Then I could make lots of 2 GB partitions and spread out my data easily, because I wouldn't have to worry about putting things in the right spot.
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Talon Karrde
Well, the first 386's (Compaq Deskpro 386 was one of the first) came out in 1986. You could geta "monster" 170 mb HDD with one of these... but that's the ultra high end stuff.
:)
The usual would be a 12-mhz 286 with 1 mb of ram and a 40MB hdd (I had one of those!)
That's not even enough to hold the unencoded WAV file for a typical 3-minute song, is it...
BTW, 9600 baud modems were out then and the 19.2 ones were well in development (but they got surpassed by 14.4s? Don't quite know why, but 19.2s weren't very common.)
I had a 2400 baud modem and I used it to connect to BBSs. I had FidoNet email. That rocked!
The industry always knew it would be possible to rip the CDs... after all, they were digital in the first place, and any schmoe with a brain could see that software piracy was everywhere (yes, even back then). They just didn't think that it could be distributed so easily... they were more concerned about people taping their CDs and selling them to friends.
(This is a complement, not a response, to it's parent post... in case y'all are confused
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Talon Karrde
>Software is 100% mathematical. It is the epitome of Logic. Machines are PHYSICAL objects. If we could copy machines at no cost, then I think
:)
I'd find it fair play to "copy" a sports car and lots of petrol with it. We are already allowed to tweak our cars AND RESELL THEM. Why not software?
Ahh, but if you could copy cars, wouldn't they still be under copyright? Copying my Porsche so you could have one would be piracy! Find me an open source car, please!
(Not that that would stop me from copying a Jag from somebody
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Talon Karrde
I'd love to help everyone else, but there has to be some kind of reciprocity involved.
:)
In other words, I'll help everybody else when I know (or suspect) that they'll help everyine else too, rather than... (cheesy metaphor warning): sucking at my tits and then selling the milk on the side.
Not that I have tits
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Talon Karrde
I'm assuming you mean a BINARY ONLY distributed program...
:)
becuase RPMs and DEBs are binary unless otherwsie specified (SRPMs and debian source archives)
Just wanted to make things clear
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Talon Karrde
Ha ha ha, silly people.
X runs great on a 386. I ran it on my PS/2 that I got for free dumpster-diving. Standard 8154/a graphics adapter, it has a blitter, so no problem.
It was a 306/33 with 4 mb ram, and an 80 mb hdd. Sure, it was now what would be considered an "Ancient" linux; Debian Bo it was, libc5 based. But it booted in 45 seconds, logged in in 10, and Gimp 0.? started in less than a minute.
Kernel compiles were about six hours; start one at night and wake up to completion.
486/50's and above with 8MB ram and a decent 2d-accelerator (anything by s3, they make great 2d accellerators) usually have full support and work great. Linux works better than Windows does on slow boxes... not that it should be delegated to one.
Linux also runs great on my K6-2 450 with 128mb's of ram and a TNT2 with GLX support.
Don't go sayin' that 386's are slow... try "2ndreality" by the Future Crew to understand that they aren't (look at hornet.org for lots of PC demos.)
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Talon Karrde
New! From the developer of Linux, Linus Torvalds, comes "Smellinux", the first open-source iSmell system!
/dev/opensmell1 (sends smell data to the OpenSmell box; two are supported for stereo smells, and later versions may include surround-smell support)
Inspired by the recent research into computer-generated smell technology, Linux began work on the Smellinux kernel.
The Smellinux kernel runs on the OpenSmell box, an free-to-build hardware device (schematics are available at the website) based on the Crusoe processor. Smellinux processes smells encoded with Gnu glibSmell, the iSmell proprietary format, and RealAroma 3-vial hex triplets.
It then passes them to the Crusoe processor (which runs in a custom Smellinux mode, rather than an x86 mode), which controls the various chemicals and the output fan.
Also included with the Smellinux kernel is a patch to the 2.2.x kernels (the 2.3.x kernel series will include the driver as a loadable module soon) in order to create the following devices:
/dev/smelldecode (decodes smells from other formats into glibSmell smells)
/dev/opensmell0,
/dev/readsmell (reads smells, currently in beta testing and only supported on first OpenSmell device; ECP/EPP port required. Currently available schematics do not include the smell-reading technology).
The OpenSmell device connects to your computer via a standard parallel port.
It generates smells with a complex genome-based chemical-release system. Some chemicals may not be available to the average builder of the device, so Linus has decided that the OpenSmell device (and Smellinux) will be sold as boxed packages under the terms of the GPL relating to sales of open-source products.
The schematics can be modified by anyone, allowing them to build custom smell-boxes for special applications. See Smellinux.com for more details.
Linus said, when interviewed, that the OpenSmell and Smellinux technologies "... smelled like a breath of fresh air".
The approximate cost of the device, when purchased in a package, should be $150 USD. Chemical refills should be around $15 to $25 USD.
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Talon Karrde
Heheheheeh Dee deee doo ba doo dee da doo ba dee da doo doo....
ahahahahahhaha i laughed for ten minutes straight.
hhahhahaha!
I bet this is even offtopic!
Smells like evil moderation!
My submission: Nirvana's website should smell like teen spirit. (a mix of CK 1, some Tommy Hilfiger crap, a kid wearing his dad's old-spice, and some girls wearing that vanilla stuff that I like.)
Hehehehe.
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Talon Karrde
>... you simply can't change the license
:)
I guess the GPL is not licensed under the GPL then.
...Can you license a document under the license that _is_ the document? Interesting thought...
I suppose it's good that the GPL isn't GPL'd though, otherwise we'd have GPLfOrKeWlWaReZdOoDz!11! and people would change their GPL'd program to any version of the GPL they wanted, and then they could close open source programs... and i'm rambling.
I hope I at least get a (2, Funny) for this one. I've been trying for two months to get a Funny.
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Ha ha ha, I'm not the one who chose and OS for which IE is not available. I chose an OS for which IE is not UNAVAILABLE :)
Stoopid Windows, but I like it anyway. When you have a 450mHz pII, it almost seems fast....
I got that too... with the midi player. It became a real bitch... eventually I got the app closed and managed to get rid of midi support. I didn't have internet back then so I didn't really have any software that needed midi.
But otherwise, OS2 was beautiful.
I'm Canadian. I grew up using metric... Inches, farenheits, and gallons mean jack-shit to me.
:)
Thank you for listening