Hahahaha No, I know Windows has a kernel: it has had one since 2.x (aka Windows/286 and Windows/386). The dos kernel is io.sys (all interrupts are serviced from there for machine-language programs wanting to modify files, etc, the usual stuff a small kernel provides.) Windows has... krnl386.exe, which runs the GDI and provides other services such as basic window manipulation, etc. The main WM stuff is in another file (yes, it seriously is a WM, because I killed the WM using WinTop or something and I didn't have any titlebars).
I think it's probably a microkernel then, but not with servers... the DLLs don't provide services themselves, i think, but simply allow other programs to call them and use their features as though they were part of the program (Dynamic Link Library == dll). Not sure about DirectX yet.
Well, it didn't quite work out the way I thought it would. LinuxOne Lite is a UMSDOS image-file and loadlin, but it doesn't start... this is probably because of one of three things:
either 1. It doesn't come set up properly, even though I did everything L1's website says to do, so it's their fault
or 2. FAT32 screws up UMSDOS (i got an ext2 error message though, go figure)
or 3. The image file is just a big crapola file and so is the SWAPFILE (see my previous post), and the initrd.img file is an actual kernel which is looking for an ext2 partition on/dev/hda1 and it isn't finding one (i got a "read past end of drive" or something message.)
Anybody have any ideas? Reply in here, I'm checking back ever so often. Hopefully it's just FAT32, I can convert a partition back... it would be nice to have Linux again and now I'm getting all exciteable about it.
The download has finished now, really shortly after my first message (as of this writing, the first comment isn't static yet). Just read the previous post, saying L1 is mandrake-based... should be interesting. IIRC, Mandrake is Red Hat based... which might mean, that if this distro isn't _exactly_ Mandrake, that it is at least a decent distro, though not what I would call a "required" one. Well, I'm off to install L1 Lite. Will update soon.
Their FTP site is really hard to navigate. Seeing as I'm stuck with Windows on this box, I'm going to try "LinuxOne Lite". It's a huge download... 312 mb of "linuxsys.img" which is probably the install image or something. And a huge file called SWAPFILE... I have DSL so I'm getting the file just in case, but I'm not sure as to whether or not it needs it. If it is just a swap file, why the hell is it in the distribtuion directory? I've also noticed that the files are not compressed, and there are several directory trees on the server (one of them contains a file called i386 which, when browsing with text-mode ftp, looks like it could be a directory, but isn't.) These guys really have the feel of a fly-by-night company. BTW, is L1 based on Red Hat or something? Or is it custom? I'll be replying to my own comment with what I've found out about L1, and whether it meets my standards of acceptance (I'm a debian user, myself, so I know what quality is:)
Well, I have a Palm IIIx and I hate getting out the pen. So whenever I'm playing a game with the buttons at the bottom, and a box pops up telling me "You are at level 5", I just use my fingernail and tap the button.
i saw a guy do something like that on ETC tv (on thesync.net). he had a laptop in a courier bag and a monitor-thingy on his face, and this weird thing that looked like a joystick in his hand, with lots of wires. Spray paint him black and glue a laser pointer to his head and he'd be a borg.
but hey, try it out with a laptop... and a cellular modem... and a webcam. Call it the "I'm Walking Around, and You can See what I'm Doing if you're Really Bored-cam."
First of all, Gary Kildall of "Intergalactic Digital Research" did _not_ have an OS ready for the PC. He was willing to make one, but Microsoft approached IBM and said they could make one. Then they purchased QDOS, which was a reverse-engineered version of C/PM, and they adapted it to their needs. In other words, the DOS which is still under Windows 98 (etc) today is a reverse-engineered version of CP/M by Digital Research. I'm not sure about how DR became Caldera... I think they made a DR-DOS product and then Novell bought it. (Interesting Tie-in: Novell also used to own WordPerfect and all of the other WordPerfect suite of programs. They sold these to Corel. Novell, if they had waited a little while longer, could have made a wicked Linux distribution with all of their netowrking know-how, and integrated WP into it. That would have been really awesome for Linux... too bad.)
I have ADSL and my ISP doesn't stop my Linux firewall from being a server; but the DHCP does. I can't really serve out much content if I have to tell everybody my new IP address every 3 hours.
BTW, does anybody know of any service which will map my hostname (internal DNS only, but current can be found by querying ISP DNS servers) to some kind of domain-name? I really don't care what it is as long as the name itself directly maps to my box at all times. Email me with any info you have (binary_node@I_DO_NOT_FEAR_SPAM.hotmail.com) Thanx
hell, Microsoft pet monkeys don't have a typewriter. Given enough Microsoft Monkeys (tm) with typewriters, eventually one of them would write the source code to a decent operating system. Microsoft wouldn't want that, would they?
Instead, Microsoft Monkeys (tm) would come equipped with two cymbals, fit for banging aginst each other. It shows the way Microsoft encourages it's customers to act... one way and one way only.
What kind of kernel does bad ol' Windows have? I know the average/.'r hates windows, but I have it on my machine, and it runs at almost the same speed (actually, in some cases faster) than does linux. I'm wondering if Windows is a microkernel or a monolithic one...
It does have drivers that are similar to Linux's modules, but I don't know if they're dynamicaly linked into the kernel or if they run as servers.
Does anybody have any info on this? How about DirectX? Because dir/s runs as fast on my Windows system as on Linux (on another, almost equally filled Linux partition).
Versions: Windows 98 SE (with no stupid Windows Update patches) Debian GNU/Linux (or Debian/GNU Linux if you prefer) potato, latest with apt-get (i do it everyday) and kernel 2.2.13 4 gb for each, roughly 40% full on both sides.
If I remember correctly, the 6502 is the chip the Commodore 64 ran on. The is an operating system called "GeckOS" which runs on 6502's (esp C64's) and it has a Linux-like environment... complete with internet access and a web server. I don't know about Linux for Z80, but you could possibly make a custom kernel in assembler basing it on the Linux code, and then port all of the usual GNU programs to 8-bit code. Of course, you can't really run much with only 16kb of ram:) Imagine slashdotting a gameboy....
I know a guy who runs Webmaster-resources.com. He recently discovered that tons of people bought almost every other concievable form of that name and copied his website design and most of the content. Is that fair? He should be able to sue, but the stuff is enough different that it isn't plagiarism or copyright violation. Etoys.com is not a toy-selling page, so that issue is stupid. But knock-off pages should be illegal.
Well, I've used Warp 3 and 2.11 of OS/2 (sorry, haven't used Warp 4). 2.11 didn't ever crash on me (I had Word for OS2 and some other programs). Warp 3 only ever crashed on me when I tried to play midi's on my Sound Blaster 8, but only the midi-player crahsed nad the operating system kept going. It's a shame Win95 compatibility and (better) networking was never put in, because OS/2 was really a great operating system. Windows 3.1 was a complete rip-off of OS/2 anyway.
I guess they evolved... in a typical Darwinian fashion! Natural (or in this case, corporate) selection seems to win out everywhere. You know what would be funny? Now that Apple has chosen the evolutionary route, Micro$oft should go for a creationist theory. In the beginning the was the Dos, and then the Dos was made flesh.....
people go get out their meat and start beating it. And we don't want people to think that's what geeks do, becuase we Don't... right? So be proud! Find a hot chick using GnomeICU, and then meet her. She'll be just as ugly as you thought she was, and you'll be dissappointed. Conclusion: Get your nose back in the code, it's better there:)
I guess this is the first large, fully open source database for Linux... definatley a Good Thing (tm)! This could encourage many users to switch to Linux, becuase most of the current database apps are pretty limited (MySQL as an example).
Re:Conspiracy theorists want no need to believe.
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hey, in that month there's some days missing! why?
It's just Fox now. They changed it pretty recently. Besides, 21st Century Fox is a tacky name. As for Century 21, they shouldn't care becuase none of the people who are working at the company, or any of their succesasors, will be alive to see the 22nd century. So what, anyway. I'm sure Century 22 Realty is not a taken name, and if it is, they can buy it.
That's not fair... maybe they don't know they're cutting out Linux users, or maybe they're just assholes.
Has anybody got Internet Explorer on HP/UX or Solaris? Try the site and see if you can get in... from that we can see if they're actively searching the user agent info for Netscape and Linux (or Unix).
Oh, and for god's sake don't DoS the server. We don't want to look like zealous fools; we just want to polietly telling them they're cutting out possible market share.
Doom got opensourced (and more recently, GPL'd). Instead of a freeforall of people grabbing copies of Doom-source and editing them so they could cheat, groups formed (like DosDoom, Doom Legacy, and TeamTNT [who existed before the release of the source]) and they made their own "source ports". Each port offers it's own features, and most are compatible with the others over a LAN (with IPX or TCP/IP) or over the Internet usng a program called DoomServ. I'm not sure about the security of it, but there hasn't been anything posted about the source ports letting people cheat... Why?
Well, it becuase people who play the game simply download the latest version of their favourite port and play it. If they don't like it, they go get another port.
And if they want to develop Doom further, they either join a source-port project that exists already, or use, one as a code base. If their port lets them cheat, it won't get hosted on the large Doom sites (like Doomworld). Sure, people can still find and use cheatable versions, and make DoomServ clients for it, but why go to that much work so that you can beat people at a game? People who you don't even know? And especially, people who will notcie within the first 5 minutes of gameplay that you aren't getting hurt by their rockets and you can fly.
Conclusion: People should start "source port" (please come up with a better name) projects, and define strict sets of rules for your projects. Client side cheating will Always be possible simply becuase of the way the game works. But if people simply download an open-source client and use it, without modifying it, we should be fine.
I think I've said just about everything.
Note: most, if not all, of these "source ports" are open-source and probably GPL'd. Lots of them have Linux versions, too. Go get some! Doom is a great game... and you haven't played it till you've played DoomGL with the Eternal Doom levels (get them at TeamTNT).
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Many people seem to assume every operating system needs security. Why? Not every device in the world is connected to the Internet, or even any other systems. That's why my old 486/25 with DOS 5 on it is still nice and fast. I don't need security to bog it down... nobody is going to try to crack it.
V2 is an elegant operating system. It provides some nice software interrupts, and becuase of its small size, could be great for embedded systems. Besides, as far as I know, you can program in C on it. It shouldn't be too hard to port over GCC, and from there many apps can be built...
It could also be an excellent boot-disk OS for demos. Demos, you know, those wicked multimedia presentations coded in ASM? Check out hornet.org for some great examples.
ASM has its place... and anybody who has looked at ASM code in a debugger and C compiled code in a debugger knows that human-written machine language is far simpler and faster.
Merry Christmas, yall!
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..But the two go hand in hand! Maybe not under organized religion, so much, but enough so. Didn't Plato say that the greatest act any man can do is to "comtemplate the unmoved mover"... which is God? God started the ball rolling, knowing where it would go. God may have guided it; we would like to think that he made sure the human race developed, but that's not a question for this thread. Sure, religion seems antiquated to some people, but modern religion no longer brands things as heresy. Whether the Crusades were responsible for bloodshed does not matter anymore; nothing we say can change that. The Church is now a peaceable organization, interested in the development of mankind. Religion maintains that God is responsible in the beginning, and just becuase Man can modify genes does not make him God.
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No, I know Windows has a kernel: it has had one since 2.x (aka Windows/286 and Windows/386).
The dos kernel is io.sys (all interrupts are serviced from there for machine-language programs wanting to modify files, etc, the usual stuff a small kernel provides.)
Windows has... krnl386.exe, which runs the GDI and provides other services such as basic window manipulation, etc. The main WM stuff is in another file (yes, it seriously is a WM, because I killed the WM using WinTop or something and I didn't have any titlebars).
I think it's probably a microkernel then, but not with servers... the DLLs don't provide services themselves, i think, but simply allow other programs to call them and use their features as though they were part of the program (Dynamic Link Library == dll).
Not sure about DirectX yet.
Well, it didn't quite work out the way I thought it would. LinuxOne Lite is a UMSDOS image-file and loadlin, but it doesn't start... this is probably because of one of three things:
/dev/hda1 and it isn't finding one (i got a "read past end of drive" or something message.)
either
1. It doesn't come set up properly, even though I did everything L1's website says to do, so it's their fault
or
2. FAT32 screws up UMSDOS (i got an ext2 error message though, go figure)
or
3. The image file is just a big crapola file and so is the SWAPFILE (see my previous post), and the initrd.img file is an actual kernel which is looking for an ext2 partition on
Anybody have any ideas? Reply in here, I'm checking back ever so often.
Hopefully it's just FAT32, I can convert a partition back... it would be nice to have Linux again and now I'm getting all exciteable about it.
The download has finished now, really shortly after my first message (as of this writing, the first comment isn't static yet).
Just read the previous post, saying L1 is mandrake-based... should be interesting. IIRC, Mandrake is Red Hat based... which might mean, that if this distro isn't _exactly_ Mandrake, that it is at least a decent distro, though not what I would call a "required" one.
Well, I'm off to install L1 Lite. Will update soon.
Their FTP site is really hard to navigate. Seeing as I'm stuck with Windows on this box, I'm going to try "LinuxOne Lite". It's a huge download... 312 mb of "linuxsys.img" which is probably the install image or something. And a huge file called SWAPFILE... I have DSL so I'm getting the file just in case, but I'm not sure as to whether or not it needs it. If it is just a swap file, why the hell is it in the distribtuion directory? :)
I've also noticed that the files are not compressed, and there are several directory trees on the server (one of them contains a file called i386 which, when browsing with text-mode ftp, looks like it could be a directory, but isn't.)
These guys really have the feel of a fly-by-night company.
BTW, is L1 based on Red Hat or something? Or is it custom? I'll be replying to my own comment with what I've found out about L1, and whether it meets my standards of acceptance (I'm a debian user, myself, so I know what quality is
My replies should appear shortly..
Well, I have a Palm IIIx and I hate getting out the pen. So whenever I'm playing a game with the buttons at the bottom, and a box pops up telling me "You are at level 5", I just use my fingernail and tap the button.
It can't be _that_ bad for the screen.
hhahahaha
i saw a guy do something like that on ETC tv (on thesync.net). he had a laptop in a courier bag and a monitor-thingy on his face, and this weird thing that looked like a joystick in his hand, with lots of wires. Spray paint him black and glue a laser pointer to his head and he'd be a borg.
but hey, try it out with a laptop... and a cellular modem... and a webcam. Call it the "I'm Walking Around, and You can See what I'm Doing if you're Really Bored-cam."
First of all, Gary Kildall of "Intergalactic Digital Research" did _not_ have an OS ready for the PC. He was willing to make one, but Microsoft approached IBM and said they could make one. Then they purchased QDOS, which was a reverse-engineered version of C/PM, and they adapted it to their needs. In other words, the DOS which is still under Windows 98 (etc) today is a reverse-engineered version of CP/M by Digital Research. I'm not sure about how DR became Caldera... I think they made a DR-DOS product and then Novell bought it. (Interesting Tie-in: Novell also used to own WordPerfect and all of the other WordPerfect suite of programs. They sold these to Corel. Novell, if they had waited a little while longer, could have made a wicked Linux distribution with all of their netowrking know-how, and integrated WP into it. That would have been really awesome for Linux... too bad.)
I hardly call that Flamebait. Not-Anti-Microsoft, maybe.
It is an opening for discussion, nothing more. The guy has a point, too...
Somebody moderate him up to 2, and possibly "Interesting" as well. That's the kind of post we want more of, not "Micro$haft 5UcK$!!!"
I have ADSL and my ISP doesn't stop my Linux firewall from being a server; but the DHCP does. I can't really serve out much content if I have to tell everybody my new IP address every 3 hours.
BTW, does anybody know of any service which will map my hostname (internal DNS only, but current can be found by querying ISP DNS servers) to some kind of domain-name? I really don't care what it is as long as the name itself directly maps to my box at all times. Email me with any info you have (binary_node@I_DO_NOT_FEAR_SPAM.hotmail.com)
Thanx
hell, Microsoft pet monkeys don't have a typewriter. Given enough Microsoft Monkeys (tm) with typewriters, eventually one of them would write the source code to a decent operating system. Microsoft wouldn't want that, would they?
Instead, Microsoft Monkeys (tm) would come equipped with two cymbals, fit for banging aginst each other. It shows the way Microsoft encourages it's customers to act... one way and one way only.
Besides, any monkey can get an MSCE anyway...
What kind of kernel does bad ol' Windows have? I know the average /.'r hates windows, but I have it on my machine, and it runs at almost the same speed (actually, in some cases faster) than does linux. I'm wondering if Windows is a microkernel or a monolithic one...
It does have drivers that are similar to Linux's modules, but I don't know if they're dynamicaly linked into the kernel or if they run as servers.
Does anybody have any info on this? How about DirectX? Because dir/s runs as fast on my Windows system as on Linux (on another, almost equally filled Linux partition).
Versions:
Windows 98 SE (with no stupid Windows Update patches)
Debian GNU/Linux (or Debian/GNU Linux if you prefer) potato, latest with apt-get (i do it everyday) and kernel 2.2.13
4 gb for each, roughly 40% full on both sides.
one processor beats the other and says, "Do my work, you CISC bitch! Render that fscking image!"
i guess this is off topic, but it's funny
If I remember correctly, the 6502 is the chip the Commodore 64 ran on. The is an operating system called "GeckOS" which runs on 6502's (esp C64's) and it has a Linux-like environment... complete with internet access and a web server. I don't know about Linux for Z80, but you could possibly make a custom kernel in assembler basing it on the Linux code, and then port all of the usual GNU programs to 8-bit code. Of course, you can't really run much with only 16kb of ram :) Imagine slashdotting a gameboy....
I know a guy who runs Webmaster-resources.com. He recently discovered that tons of people bought almost every other concievable form of that name and copied his website design and most of the content. Is that fair? He should be able to sue, but the stuff is enough different that it isn't plagiarism or copyright violation. Etoys.com is not a toy-selling page, so that issue is stupid. But knock-off pages should be illegal.
Ever used QNX Photon microGUI? Damn fast on a 286! Get the demo disk, it has a full graphical OS and web-borswer in 1.4 megs... qnx.com
Well, I've used Warp 3 and 2.11 of OS/2 (sorry, haven't used Warp 4). 2.11 didn't ever crash on me (I had Word for OS2 and some other programs). Warp 3 only ever crashed on me when I tried to play midi's on my Sound Blaster 8, but only the midi-player crahsed nad the operating system kept going.
It's a shame Win95 compatibility and (better) networking was never put in, because OS/2 was really a great operating system. Windows 3.1 was a complete rip-off of OS/2 anyway.
I guess they evolved... in a typical Darwinian fashion! Natural (or in this case, corporate) selection seems to win out everywhere. You know what would be funny? Now that Apple has chosen the evolutionary route, Micro$oft should go for a creationist theory. In the beginning the was the Dos, and then the Dos was made flesh.....
people go get out their meat and start beating it. And we don't want people to think that's what geeks do, becuase we Don't... right? So be proud! Find a hot chick using GnomeICU, and then meet her. She'll be just as ugly as you thought she was, and you'll be dissappointed. Conclusion: Get your nose back in the code, it's better there :)
I guess this is the first large, fully open source database for Linux... definatley a Good Thing (tm)! This could encourage many users to switch to Linux, becuase most of the current database apps are pretty limited (MySQL as an example).
hey, in that month there's some days missing! why?
It's just Fox now. They changed it pretty recently. Besides, 21st Century Fox is a tacky name. As for Century 21, they shouldn't care becuase none of the people who are working at the company, or any of their succesasors, will be alive to see the 22nd century. So what, anyway. I'm sure Century 22 Realty is not a taken name, and if it is, they can buy it.
Has anybody got Internet Explorer on HP/UX or Solaris? Try the site and see if you can get in... from that we can see if they're actively searching the user agent info for Netscape and Linux (or Unix).
Oh, and for god's sake don't DoS the server. We don't want to look like zealous fools; we just want to polietly telling them they're cutting out possible market share.
Though of course, the obligatory Che quote:
Well, it becuase people who play the game simply download the latest version of their favourite port and play it. If they don't like it, they go get another port.
And if they want to develop Doom further, they either join a source-port project that exists already, or use, one as a code base. If their port lets them cheat, it won't get hosted on the large Doom sites (like Doomworld). Sure, people can still find and use cheatable versions, and make DoomServ clients for it, but why go to that much work so that you can beat people at a game? People who you don't even know? And especially, people who will notcie within the first 5 minutes of gameplay that you aren't getting hurt by their rockets and you can fly.
Conclusion: People should start "source port" (please come up with a better name) projects, and define strict sets of rules for your projects. Client side cheating will Always be possible simply becuase of the way the game works. But if people simply download an open-source client and use it, without modifying it, we should be fine.
I think I've said just about everything.
Note: most, if not all, of these "source ports" are open-source and probably GPL'd. Lots of them have Linux versions, too. Go get some! Doom is a great game... and you haven't played it till you've played DoomGL with the Eternal Doom levels (get them at TeamTNT).
V2 is an elegant operating system. It provides some nice software interrupts, and becuase of its small size, could be great for embedded systems. Besides, as far as I know, you can program in C on it. It shouldn't be too hard to port over GCC, and from there many apps can be built...
It could also be an excellent boot-disk OS for demos. Demos, you know, those wicked multimedia presentations coded in ASM? Check out hornet.org for some great examples.
ASM has its place... and anybody who has looked at ASM code in a debugger and C compiled code in a debugger knows that human-written machine language is far simpler and faster.
Merry Christmas, yall!
..But the two go hand in hand! Maybe not under organized religion, so much, but enough so. Didn't Plato say that the greatest act any man can do is to "comtemplate the unmoved mover"... which is God? God started the ball rolling, knowing where it would go. God may have guided it; we would like to think that he made sure the human race developed, but that's not a question for this thread. Sure, religion seems antiquated to some people, but modern religion no longer brands things as heresy. Whether the Crusades were responsible for bloodshed does not matter anymore; nothing we say can change that. The Church is now a peaceable organization, interested in the development of mankind. Religion maintains that God is responsible in the beginning, and just becuase Man can modify genes does not make him God.