I am waiting for some of the macromedia stuff to work in wine.
Fireworks saves about 5 mins for every image on a webpage over Gimp, and as for Flash and Director I need to use those for university.
Macromedia products at the moment almost work (ignore the 5's at winehq).
Still even better would be native ports (I would get the cash out for one) I am going to a Macromedia conference in the UK at the end of the month with some of my fellow LUG members, we will ask the questions.
I almost posted this story when it was being shown on BBC1 last night when it went out the presenter said "..and we know that Gibbons are apes" she also said the scientists working on the project kept a furry suit in the corner of the artifical gibbon room, but refused to put it on for the cameras.
Now Philipa Forester without her clothes would be news.
If this is the case howcome noone can read old texts or speak dead languages now?
Once something is lost it is hard to refind.
By using a star trek analagy you are inferring that in the future technology will be like a 60's utopia, this is not gonna be the case.
Slackware (my first linux distro BTW) will possibly be only a memory in a few years, how many libs has the average linux distro got the backwards compatablity now? that can't go on and it won't your tricorder won't be examining code, just 1's and 0's, without the forgetten protocols thats all it will be.
Ohh and in Star Trek all the computers work together across platforms/species because they use java, tricoders are actully thin client developed by Oracle and are entirly reliant on the enterprises wintel system! thats why only the red light bulbs work when the system is overloaded;-)
intelligent comment, no really I am shocked, thanks for posting.
As I seem to be saying alot recently, we (geeks) belong to a world culture that should position itself above petty xenophobia and racism.
I know not the country of orgin of many/.ers but I do know crap from intelligent comments, moderaters need to stop wasting the gems they hold on trolls and reward intelligence, please moderate the RayChuang's post up if you have the chance, informative, intelligent and f**kin' incrediable.
In the past lots of people have flamed QT and the KDE team because QT is not open.
It may not be GPL'd but QT2 is a very open system.
QT is also/very/ easy to code, and it looks great along side M$ style apps.
This along with the rapid, but directed, effort behind KDE make it my favorite for a short term winner (look at the sig)
But we have to continue to develop. New users are coming over to more open (or just diferent) OS's and most of them are end users. QT's looks will be a large part of the quation for them. They (and the money men behind them) want an easy path from Windows to *nix systems. They don't want to spend loads of money retraining end users, it's bad enough admins need training, they want to see almost imediate returns for the change over.
Open source coders have got to stop developing software aimed at other open source coders, I am guilty of this as much as the next man, and start developing user level programs.
KDE is making this very easy. kdevelop makes developing an application that looks M$ officey a simple affair, even the kdevelop ide borrows heavily from M$ VC. Many/.ers will see this as an invasion, but without new blood, and new money, we are just a bunch of self satisfing geeks (not a bad thing, but not a revolution!).
Lets not just change the world, lets keep the changes coming.
Petty politics are dragging our world down, just look at the posts in the Chinese Space Story earlier today.
lohen's comments are in the main correct and I have no objection to them, but I do take offence at the general downturn in comments on/. when foreign (to the US) matters are mentioned.
The Geek Culture is international and the anon. trolls that will almost definatly flame this little post down, don't bother we don't read your posts and/.er mods will not even kick you down, we promote success, we will not reward ignorance!
MMmmmm has anyone of us got either the hardware, bandwidth or the inclination to run altavista?
How will it help open source development to look at a monolthic pile of code when no one part of it couldn't be written by any compedent programmer, many/.'ers could write an altavista clone but without the formentioned hardware/bandwidth whats the point??
Now if altavista started hosting open projects home pages and CVS that would be news wouldn't it? or am I just predicting the newest portal scam? sorry andover.net couldn't resist;-) stay free.
LINUX BIGOT ALERT! Do get legal advice in your country of origin and hope that it will cover your ass a little in the big wide world. If you have used patented algorithms etc then you have got to pay the owners (it sucks but it's the law) wait for the outcome of current trials before releasing because the laws may change (but I doubt it) If you have discovered new ways of doing things it should be easily proved with your code/docs. Good Luck (but don't rush into anything without qualified advice) Sparkes
The days of the PC are certainly not over! If anything computers will become more personal, all these little internet enabled devices will certainly be more personal than the anon. beige boxes on desks. In a way the era is ending, cos the boxes are getting smaller and more colorful but when you really look at it personal computing has only just begun and will never end. Computers will become more and more personal (did I hear the word cyborg at the back?) Sparkes
When our remains are dug over in a few hundred/thousand years what will be left?
We buried piles of junk a few years ago but now it's all recyled (a good idea!) but all our data will disapear. Our books will rot, our cd's and tapes rot or simply lose data. We will leave no rosetta stone of ASCII or other data types and all the fragments that will survive will just be 0's and 1's to future generations.
The first 50 years of cinema have all but gone because the films have coroded. Early photography, disapeered, What can we do now to ensure our cultures are not lost over time.
Lets not let them forget us!
Sparkes
PS Don't bother posting if you just wanna inspire flames!
I used to program dos back when it payed the bills and used undocumented dos a lot. What was harder? replicating the undocumented by MS but very well documented by third parties code or the bog standard should have been documented better calls? Sparkes
Plenty of open source coders are now getting paid.
Perfect example is Alan Cox, without the likes of Alan a lot of us wouldn't have a solid OS. He is now in the employ of Red Hat UK but still does the same kernal hacking as always. Of course it can be done, we just have to trust the distrubuters of our products (red hat etc) to return to the comunity what they have taken.
At the end of the day these companies need a saleble product and are willing to pay coders to get it, it dosn't matter that the software will eventully be GPL's etc just the salable product.
I used to program control systems in the UK. We where asked to develop some PLC software for a water company that will remain nameless to control water treatment. To cut a long story short my boss at the time told me not the make the software Y2K comp (this was 1996) cos in a few years time they would need to pay us again to fix it. This really pissed me off and I wrote the software fully compliant but left it commented out so it could be fixed later on by the poor sod given the job of untangaling my code. I left the company shortly afterwards. So if you are English and are panicing about your water just hope all the bullied coders did what I did back then.
Slashdot Mirror
I'm not sure that the above comment is flamebait.
But I wouldn't move on just yet, remember everyone that said time to move on the last time?
It's the posters that make the place not the guys at the console.
sparkes
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Does anyone know how much of the development is moving to sourceforge?
is the new freshmeat sourceforge type deal moving over? It seems like a little duplication now
sparkes
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99.9% of statistics are unrelated to the real world
Sparkes
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it's the old apple use crays and cray use apple thing all over again.
You will find that motorola ad's where prolly done on macs but it's horses for courses, you use the best tool for the job.
Somehow I think this will just be another crock'o'shite from the rumour mill.
Something for us to mill over for a few hours, apple to read and have a smile to themselves.
Sparkes
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the rumours come from elsewhere and then we /. them!
Sorry I just found it humourous that we talk of lifting stories from elsewhere.
Sparkes
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Didn't Crusoe get cast away in the south seas and didn't Darwin write The Origin of the Species after a south seas trip?
Am I missing something? that trip to the moon took longer than expected.
But it is interesting are the rumours sugesting Apple will create a Crusoe optimised x86 OS or native crusoe code?
But don't forget kids these are just rumours, remember <snip>...loads of crap...rumours of...etc etc etc </snip>
Sparkes
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I am waiting for some of the macromedia stuff to work in wine.
Fireworks saves about 5 mins for every image on a webpage over Gimp, and as for Flash and Director I need to use those for university.
Macromedia products at the moment almost work (ignore the 5's at winehq).
Still even better would be native ports (I would get the cash out for one) I am going to a Macromedia conference in the UK at the end of the month with some of my fellow LUG members, we will ask the questions.
Sparkes
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I almost posted this story when it was being shown on BBC1 last night when it went out the presenter said "..and we know that Gibbons are apes" she also said the scientists working on the project kept a furry suit in the corner of the artifical gibbon room, but refused to put it on for the cameras.
Now Philipa Forester without her clothes would be news.
Sparkes
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I'm sorry but this still seems like the old timers club that it looked like when I started coding (now I am an old timer)
What we need to remember is this is fun! don't forget all C (C++, Perl whatever) needs to be readable and maintainable in the real world.
I know that this next line we incite a few people but LET THE COMPILER OPTIMISE FOR YOU.
just had to get a few things off my chest
Sparkes (carry on enjoying yourself people)
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Has it really been a whole day since the last "your pc is dead" thread??
Wow feels like I haven't even slept yet.
Sparkes (currently building TI calc/PSX beowulf)
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If this is the case howcome noone can read old texts or speak dead languages now?
;-)
Once something is lost it is hard to refind.
By using a star trek analagy you are inferring that in the future technology will be like a 60's utopia, this is not gonna be the case.
Slackware (my first linux distro BTW) will possibly be only a memory in a few years, how many libs has the average linux distro got the backwards compatablity now? that can't go on and it won't your tricorder won't be examining code, just 1's and 0's, without the forgetten protocols thats all it will be.
Ohh and in Star Trek all the computers work together across platforms/species because they use java, tricoders are actully thin client developed by Oracle and are entirly reliant on the enterprises wintel system! thats why only the red light bulbs work when the system is overloaded
Sparkes
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We can't and thats a good thing, but to sell/distrobute software in countries where patents are possible you must pay to use them.
I have used RSA and GIFS many times in inhouse code, but if I wanted to use it in my open source stuff it *could* cause problems.
But you are right on one thing it is absurd to patent a mathamatical formula, DNA, business method etc
Sparkes
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intelligent comment, no really I am shocked, thanks for posting.
/.ers but I do know crap from intelligent comments, moderaters need to stop wasting the gems they hold on trolls and reward intelligence, please moderate the RayChuang's post up if you have the chance, informative, intelligent and f**kin' incrediable.
As I seem to be saying alot recently, we (geeks) belong to a world culture that should position itself above petty xenophobia and racism.
I know not the country of orgin of many
Sparkes
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In the past lots of people have flamed QT and the KDE team because QT is not open.
/very/ easy to code, and it looks great along side M$ style apps.
/.ers will see this as an invasion, but without new blood, and new money, we are just a bunch of self satisfing geeks (not a bad thing, but not a revolution!).
It may not be GPL'd but QT2 is a very open system.
QT is also
This along with the rapid, but directed, effort behind KDE make it my favorite for a short term winner (look at the sig)
But we have to continue to develop. New users are coming over to more open (or just diferent) OS's and most of them are end users. QT's looks will be a large part of the quation for them. They (and the money men behind them) want an easy path from Windows to *nix systems. They don't want to spend loads of money retraining end users, it's bad enough admins need training, they want to see almost imediate returns for the change over.
Open source coders have got to stop developing software aimed at other open source coders, I am guilty of this as much as the next man, and start developing user level programs.
KDE is making this very easy. kdevelop makes developing an application that looks M$ officey a simple affair, even the kdevelop ide borrows heavily from M$ VC. Many
Lets not just change the world, lets keep the changes coming.
Sparkes.
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Petty politics are dragging our world down, just look at the posts in the Chinese Space Story earlier today.
/. when foreign (to the US) matters are mentioned.
/.er mods will not even kick you down, we promote success, we will not reward ignorance!
lohen's comments are in the main correct and I have no objection to them, but I do take offence at the general downturn in comments on
The Geek Culture is international and the anon. trolls that will almost definatly flame this little post down, don't bother we don't read your posts and
Sparkes.
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MMmmmm has anyone of us got either the hardware, bandwidth or the inclination to run altavista?
/.'ers could write an altavista clone but without the formentioned hardware/bandwidth whats the point??
;-) stay free.
How will it help open source development to look at a monolthic pile of code when no one part of it couldn't be written by any compedent programmer, many
Now if altavista started hosting open projects home pages and CVS that would be news wouldn't it? or am I just predicting the newest portal scam? sorry andover.net couldn't resist
Sparkes
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LINUX BIGOT ALERT! Do get legal advice in your country of origin and hope that it will cover your ass a little in the big wide world. If you have used patented algorithms etc then you have got to pay the owners (it sucks but it's the law) wait for the outcome of current trials before releasing because the laws may change (but I doubt it) If you have discovered new ways of doing things it should be easily proved with your code/docs. Good Luck (but don't rush into anything without qualified advice) Sparkes
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The days of the PC are certainly not over! If anything computers will become more personal, all these little internet enabled devices will certainly be more personal than the anon. beige boxes on desks. In a way the era is ending, cos the boxes are getting smaller and more colorful but when you really look at it personal computing has only just begun and will never end. Computers will become more and more personal (did I hear the word cyborg at the back?) Sparkes
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When our remains are dug over in a few hundred/thousand years what will be left?
We buried piles of junk a few years ago but now it's all recyled (a good idea!) but all our data will disapear. Our books will rot, our cd's and tapes rot or simply lose data. We will leave no rosetta stone of ASCII or other data types and all the fragments that will survive will just be 0's and 1's to future generations.
The first 50 years of cinema have all but gone because the films have coroded. Early photography, disapeered, What can we do now to ensure our cultures are not lost over time.
Lets not let them forget us!
Sparkes
PS Don't bother posting if you just wanna inspire flames!
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Bug scaring by yelling is not currently supported see the faq ;-)
;-)
It is possible to scare little sisters when coding scripts, the bangs (!) have to be shouted for full effect
Mmmm now thats interesting, goes to download source.
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What tools/techniques did you use to reverse engineer the protocol/scheme?
Are you able to describe the methods or are you prevented from makeing those public as well?
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I used to program dos back when it payed the bills and used undocumented dos a lot. What was harder? replicating the undocumented by MS but very well documented by third parties code or the bog standard should have been documented better calls? Sparkes
Plenty of open source coders are now getting paid.
Perfect example is Alan Cox, without the likes of Alan a lot of us wouldn't have a solid OS. He is now in the employ of Red Hat UK but still does the same kernal hacking as always. Of course it can be done, we just have to trust the distrubuters of our products (red hat etc) to return to the comunity what they have taken.
At the end of the day these companies need a saleble product and are willing to pay coders to get it, it dosn't matter that the software will eventully be GPL's etc just the salable product.
Steve.
wolves.lug.org.uk
I used to program control systems in the UK. We where asked to develop some PLC software for a water company that will remain nameless to control water treatment. To cut a long story short my boss at the time told me not the make the software Y2K comp (this was 1996) cos in a few years time they would need to pay us again to fix it. This really pissed me off and I wrote the software fully compliant but left it commented out so it could be fixed later on by the poor sod given the job of untangaling my code. I left the company shortly afterwards. So if you are English and are panicing about your water just hope all the bullied coders did what I did back then.