I can't belive how it seems that everyone around here has fallen completely head over heels in love with Crusoe dispite not seeing a shipping chip, system, or whatever.
I don't know where you were, but on January 19th, I saw a webcast of Crusoe demoed in it's silicon form. I don't know how it can get much more real then that. I think it's to much to believe that it won't ship now. That'd be like believing after Microsoft shipping W2K to manufacturing last Dec, that they wouldn't ship. Crusoe is here, and further announcements like the one by Phoenix seem to only strengthen the idea that Crusoe is real.
But in doing so right now and putting off your purchases in anticipation, you're falling for the same old FUD that you bash Microsoft and Intel for spouting all these years.
Yes, but Microsoft has been promising W2K for years. Now we see for certain that Microsoft can't fulfill their promises. That's FUD. Unlike Microsoft, Transmeta didn't say anything for years. Why not? Because they didn't feel they needed FUD to promote their product. So, they didn't announce their product until it existed.
Waiting for a Crusoe product now, is no different then waiting for this years model cars to be sold before buying another one.
Does anyone really want to type www.jadegarden.restaurant.chinese.upper-west-side. manhattan.nyc.ny.us into the location line of their browser?
Actually, we should probably have a topical subgrouping, sort of like usenet. For instance, I think it'd be nice to know that linux stuff is under *.linux.comp and microsoft stuff under ms.comp. I want to find perl sites under perl.lang.comp and python under python.lang.comp. But I want to find the other pythons under python.reptils.animals.alt. I want to find world news under world.news and us news under us.news. I want sites on physics under physics.sci and astronomy under astronomy.sci. I want writings.rec and drawing.arts.rec and skydiving.rec, and skiing.rec and baseball.rec. I want all tv sites to be under *.tv.alt. All music sites under *.music.alt. I want geographical focused sites under their own geographical hierarchy. If you have a burger shop in Upper West Side Manhatten, then it'd better be under upper-west-side.manhattan.nyc.ny.us. If it's only pertinent to the French, then you'd better have it in.fr. But I want incorporated companies to have.com's because they are popular.
Or have they finally morphed into their own solid distribution with its OWN custom fixes, etc.?
Well, Everyone's said this already, but since you asked. Mandrake isn't RedHat with KDE anymore. It is their own distribution, which just happens to use RPM as the package manager. Just like Corel isn't Debian "with fixes".
Okay, this is really what I wanted to respond to.
Whats to stop Microsoft from creating their OWN Linux distribution?
Nothing, and who cares. I mean, if they do, and people use it, I won't need to. Sure maybe I'll lose out the ability to run some applications that are written for MS Linux, but I can't run MS Apps now anyways.
I doubt Microsoft will ever release a Linux distribution. It just wouldn't be profitable for them. It goes strongly against their belief that people don't want "free software". However, I do think that they will make something to "compete" with Wine, so that their apps will run under Linux. But that'll only happen when they *know* that they've lost the market to Linux. At that time though, I forsee a "Windows for Linux" product on shelves. Just wait and see...
Check the system requirements on your DVD drive box - does it say anywhere that Windows 9x/NT is required?
Nobody said that you're not allowed to play DVDs on your computer.
I don't like it when people contradict themselves in the same paragraph. It make them look like a complete idiot.
The box for this DVD player, and I assume all DVD player's states that it requires Windows 9X/NT. This computer does not have Windows 9X/NT on it. Therefore someone has said that I am not allowed to play DVD's on my computer.
It's as if Ford made a tollway into a major city and only allows people driving Ford's to use it. Sure, there's another way into the city, but instead of 40 miles, it's 400 miles around. You might say, well the answer is easy, if you want access to the city, you buy a Ford. Ford would have every right to do what they want. But at some point, the court has to step in and uphold public access to what the public should have access too.
It's the same with DVD's. Companies theoritically have every right to make you view DVD's on whatever devices they want. However, just as it would be outrageous to expect people to buy a second car, to do what they can do acceptably now, so it should be outrageous to expect consumers to buy a second device to view a DVD that they can/should be able to view already.
The answer is simple. Don't watch DVD's. But just like people need to get into the city, people also "need" to watch DVD's. The Association must have known that people would be willing enough to pay them for they product, that they'd be also willing enough to find a way to use that product that they paid for. If the Association isn't happy about that, they should have provided a way to use DVD's in every possible situation consumers would want to view CD's.
The chip design in my opinion is entirely no where near being revolutionary.
The Chip design *is* revolutionary, and no one *cares* about your opinion.
If you beg to differ, please show us a previous chip that was low powered, for long battery life in mobile markets, and did code morphing. Hehe, that's 2 for me and I didn't think more then 20 seconds.
Most things that are important to our culture are things that are pretty boring. Yet, this is exciting because it opens up the market for regular, unknowledgable consumers to have access to wonderful, quality, common, wireless and mobile computing devices.
Sure, it may be boring, but it will change the lives of probably most Americans and most likely a lot of people all over the world. Especially high-tech Asia.
That's why it's news. Okay, so Linux is interesting too. That's life.
I recall that as AMD was about to release the Athlon there were a lot of stories covering it.
This being a news site, it makes sense that we see news reported. The last news reported on AMD was the release of the 800Mhz chip early January. What has AMD done newsworthy since then?
Are you implying that SGI currently sells hardware aimed at little old e-mail checking ladies? I know they DO plan on lightening their systems a little, but the average HOME is still not their target market.
No, not Sun, not SGI either are in the business of consumer devices.
Check news.com. Apparently, they released the code today.
I know that. However I was replying to a post that seemed to imply that Sun was solving the wrong problem because consumers didn't want > $5000 computers.
I am asking why do you think that Sun would even want consumers to use their computers. That's not what their computers are being made for. Sun has no problems with the fact that little old ladies aren't using Solaris to read their e-mail. That has nothing to do with source, or cost, or anything, really. Just that Sun exists to solve a different problem.
Yeah we really see consumers just flocking for machines that cost more than $5,000 US at the cheapest.
Are you implying that Sun is doing the wrong thing for not being a consumer oriented business? Why would Sun even *want* consumers to use their products? That's not their business plan.
I know I'm not the only one who just skips it if it is from them...
I skip reading the actual NYT stories too and just get what I can out of the comments. I guess I'm just too lazy. I mean, I think I have a userid, I just don't want to take the effort to remember it.
then I wonder how so many people even rated windows2000, seeing that it's not even released to the public yet.
No rhyme or reason is needed. Microsoft fanatics will naturally select Windows 2000 as the best because that's what MS has been telling them is the best for the last 5 years.
They mentioned "no GUI" for Samba. I guess their web based management tool isn't enough?
Actually, the deal is that the were only evualting tools that the vendor included with their products. Too most people 3rd party tools aren't valid. You've got to get everything from Microsoft, Baby!! That's what Microsoft has been heralding for a long time, and people have been buying it hook, line and sinker. This is why IE, AD, Visual Studio, the registry, SQL Server, Exchange, and others are "better". If it's in the MMC, then it's "good", otherwise it's a crappy third-party tool.
Not surprisely, Linux has the opposite methodology. Everyone is not only welcome to innovate, everyone is *encouraged* to innovate. When everyone chips in parts to the complete system, then everything is "third-party" and then people who bought into MS marketing thinks that most everything is not "part" of Linux, and that all Linux provides is "file" based interfaces. Yeah, the VI interface, Baby!!
I'm sure it's more like... "SOMEONE IS TRYING TO KILL ME!" "Just a minute sir, I need to edit my whattodo.rc file then recompile my kernel to support life saving, then I need to read some How-to's and man pages on how to use it all. Give me 10 hours or so okay?"
I hope you were trying to be funny...
That's an outrageous assertion. If you needed to do something with a computer you'd have it set up to do that before you needed it. That's whether it's Windows or Linux. Don't try to tell me that it's any easier/faster to do something in Windows, because that's not so. It takes several reboots to install *anything* larger then MS Works.
That'd be like having your car apart in a pile of pieces in the garage, and needing to assemble it before going anywhere. You'd have an OS ready to go, just like a car. Now, if your PC or car crashes, that's a different sort of problem that you don't want to deal with.
The average Slashdotter seems genuinely to think that the entire 'Net could be run on beige x86 boxes running Linux.
That's nothing. The average Microsoft fanatic not only thinks that the entire 'Net could be run on beige x86 boxes, but that Windows NT 4.0 could be used 'for extra reliability'.
This was confusing, IMHO, and caused bad results. Most readers (including myself!) were given the impression that postings in the discussion were equivalent to nominations.
Somehow I got that feeling that that's what people were thinking:( Well, this is/.'s first time at this. I guess we should give them a margin of error. Hopefully they'll learn a few lessons for next time.
I can get a DOS prompt on my linux box with dosemu. Does this prove that linux is just a DOS shell?
At the root prompt type "shutdown -h now". When all the deamons have been killed, and the kernel prints out it's "Safe to powerdown" message, type 'mode co 80'. See that DOS prompt there? No, I didn't think so.
So, either 1 of 2 things are happening. One, Windows is running over the same old DOS kernel which isn't halted when the graphical shell was closed down, just like you'd see with Windows 3.11, *or* Microsoft wrote Windows 95 to boot up the DOS kernel after they halted the "Windows" kernel just to display the "It's safe to shutdown" screen. Somehow, I'm betting on the first theory to be more correct.
And when they finally do, they are going to say "Hold on! I get all this stuff for no cost, and then Corel, who came along and took a basically already created product, added some bells and whistles, and now expect me to pay for an Office suite? No way!"
There are only 2 ways for me to take this. Either consumers are idiots (No real surprise though), or I misunderstood what they are saying.
If they don't want to pay for Corel Linux then use the download ("already created") version. And if they don't want to pay for WordPerfect, because they didn't "pay" for Linux, well, then all I can ask is have they never gotten anything else free before?
What is it with people when all they can say is "gimme, gimme, gimme". "You gave me that, now give me this". "I deserve that, I deserve this". So what are they going to do then? "Well, if I have to pay for Corel Office to run it on a free Corel Linux, then I'm just going to pay for both Windows and Office." What's more ironic is that they're probably the same people who are undyingly convinced that Windows is free because it came with their computers.
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I don't know where you were, but on January 19th, I saw a webcast of Crusoe demoed in it's silicon form. I don't know how it can get much more real then that. I think it's to much to believe that it won't ship now. That'd be like believing after Microsoft shipping W2K to manufacturing last Dec, that they wouldn't ship. Crusoe is here, and further announcements like the one by Phoenix seem to only strengthen the idea that Crusoe is real.
But in doing so right now and putting off your purchases in anticipation, you're falling for the same old FUD that you bash Microsoft and Intel for spouting all these years.Yes, but Microsoft has been promising W2K for years. Now we see for certain that Microsoft can't fulfill their promises. That's FUD. Unlike Microsoft, Transmeta didn't say anything for years. Why not? Because they didn't feel they needed FUD to promote their product. So, they didn't announce their product until it existed.
Waiting for a Crusoe product now, is no different then waiting for this years model cars to be sold before buying another one.
-BrentActually, we should probably have a topical subgrouping, sort of like usenet. For instance, I think it'd be nice to know that linux stuff is under *.linux.comp and microsoft stuff under ms.comp. I want to find perl sites under perl.lang.comp and python under python.lang.comp. But I want to find the other pythons under python.reptils.animals.alt. I want to find world news under world.news and us news under us.news. I want sites on physics under physics.sci and astronomy under astronomy.sci. I want writings.rec and drawing.arts.rec and skydiving.rec, and skiing.rec and baseball.rec. I want all tv sites to be under *.tv.alt. All music sites under *.music.alt. I want geographical focused sites under their own geographical hierarchy. If you have a burger shop in Upper West Side Manhatten, then it'd better be under upper-west-side.manhattan.nyc.ny.us. If it's only pertinent to the French, then you'd better have it in .fr. But I want incorporated companies to have .com's because they are popular.
-BrentWell, Everyone's said this already, but since you asked. Mandrake isn't RedHat with KDE anymore. It is their own distribution, which just happens to use RPM as the package manager. Just like Corel isn't Debian "with fixes".
Okay, this is really what I wanted to respond to.
Whats to stop Microsoft from creating their OWN Linux distribution?Nothing, and who cares. I mean, if they do, and people use it, I won't need to. Sure maybe I'll lose out the ability to run some applications that are written for MS Linux, but I can't run MS Apps now anyways.
I doubt Microsoft will ever release a Linux distribution. It just wouldn't be profitable for them. It goes strongly against their belief that people don't want "free software". However, I do think that they will make something to "compete" with Wine, so that their apps will run under Linux. But that'll only happen when they *know* that they've lost the market to Linux. At that time though, I forsee a "Windows for Linux" product on shelves. Just wait and see...
-BrentActually, It's probably closer to 200,000 now. I know for certain I've seen UID#'s in the 150,000 range.
-BrentAh, I see that the imposter is back. Beware!! -Brent
Nothing like real innovation, is there?
It excits me to see technology like this being announced.
-BrentThat's nothing, they even host Windows stuff on their servers.
-BrentNobody said that you're not allowed to play DVDs on your computer.
I don't like it when people contradict themselves in the same paragraph. It make them look like a complete idiot.
The box for this DVD player, and I assume all DVD player's states that it requires Windows 9X/NT. This computer does not have Windows 9X/NT on it. Therefore someone has said that I am not allowed to play DVD's on my computer.
It's as if Ford made a tollway into a major city and only allows people driving Ford's to use it. Sure, there's another way into the city, but instead of 40 miles, it's 400 miles around. You might say, well the answer is easy, if you want access to the city, you buy a Ford. Ford would have every right to do what they want. But at some point, the court has to step in and uphold public access to what the public should have access too.
It's the same with DVD's. Companies theoritically have every right to make you view DVD's on whatever devices they want. However, just as it would be outrageous to expect people to buy a second car, to do what they can do acceptably now, so it should be outrageous to expect consumers to buy a second device to view a DVD that they can/should be able to view already.
The answer is simple. Don't watch DVD's. But just like people need to get into the city, people also "need" to watch DVD's. The Association must have known that people would be willing enough to pay them for they product, that they'd be also willing enough to find a way to use that product that they paid for. If the Association isn't happy about that, they should have provided a way to use DVD's in every possible situation consumers would want to view CD's.
-BrentThe Chip design *is* revolutionary, and no one *cares* about your opinion.
If you beg to differ, please show us a previous chip that was low powered, for long battery life in mobile markets, and did code morphing. Hehe, that's 2 for me and I didn't think more then 20 seconds.
I'm waiting...
-BrentUh, these are to be consumer devices? What makes you think that consumers are concerned that their BIOS knows what an ethernet card is?
-BrentMost things that are important to our culture are things that are pretty boring. Yet, this is exciting because it opens up the market for regular, unknowledgable consumers to have access to wonderful, quality, common, wireless and mobile computing devices.
Sure, it may be boring, but it will change the lives of probably most Americans and most likely a lot of people all over the world. Especially high-tech Asia.
That's why it's news. Okay, so Linux is interesting too. That's life.
-BrentI recall that as AMD was about to release the Athlon there were a lot of stories covering it.
This being a news site, it makes sense that we see news reported. The last news reported on AMD was the release of the 800Mhz chip early January. What has AMD done newsworthy since then?
-BrentNo, not Sun, not SGI either are in the business of consumer devices.
-BrentI know that. However I was replying to a post that seemed to imply that Sun was solving the wrong problem because consumers didn't want > $5000 computers.
I am asking why do you think that Sun would even want consumers to use their computers. That's not what their computers are being made for. Sun has no problems with the fact that little old ladies aren't using Solaris to read their e-mail. That has nothing to do with source, or cost, or anything, really. Just that Sun exists to solve a different problem.
-BrentSomething tells me that is the whole point of Open Source. To benefit from open source development. Or did I miss something?
-BrentAre you implying that Sun is doing the wrong thing for not being a consumer oriented business? Why would Sun even *want* consumers to use their products? That's not their business plan.
-BrentI skip reading the actual NYT stories too and just get what I can out of the comments. I guess I'm just too lazy. I mean, I think I have a userid, I just don't want to take the effort to remember it.
-BrentNo rhyme or reason is needed. Microsoft fanatics will naturally select Windows 2000 as the best because that's what MS has been telling them is the best for the last 5 years.
-BrentNope, I took you to be brighter then that. I just thought that that was a natural extension to your statement.
Of course, any reasonable person would use no less then Solaris to run the 'Net, myself included.
-BrentActually, the deal is that the were only evualting tools that the vendor included with their products. Too most people 3rd party tools aren't valid. You've got to get everything from Microsoft, Baby!! That's what Microsoft has been heralding for a long time, and people have been buying it hook, line and sinker. This is why IE, AD, Visual Studio, the registry, SQL Server, Exchange, and others are "better". If it's in the MMC, then it's "good", otherwise it's a crappy third-party tool.
Not surprisely, Linux has the opposite methodology. Everyone is not only welcome to innovate, everyone is *encouraged* to innovate. When everyone chips in parts to the complete system, then everything is "third-party" and then people who bought into MS marketing thinks that most everything is not "part" of Linux, and that all Linux provides is "file" based interfaces. Yeah, the VI interface, Baby!!
-BrentI hope you were trying to be funny...
That's an outrageous assertion. If you needed to do something with a computer you'd have it set up to do that before you needed it. That's whether it's Windows or Linux. Don't try to tell me that it's any easier/faster to do something in Windows, because that's not so. It takes several reboots to install *anything* larger then MS Works.
That'd be like having your car apart in a pile of pieces in the garage, and needing to assemble it before going anywhere. You'd have an OS ready to go, just like a car. Now, if your PC or car crashes, that's a different sort of problem that you don't want to deal with.
-BrentThat's nothing. The average Microsoft fanatic not only thinks that the entire 'Net could be run on beige x86 boxes, but that Windows NT 4.0 could be used 'for extra reliability'.
-BrentSomehow I got that feeling that that's what people were thinking :( Well, this is /.'s first time at this. I guess we should give them a margin of error. Hopefully they'll learn a few lessons for next time.
-BrentAt the root prompt type "shutdown -h now". When all the deamons have been killed, and the kernel prints out it's "Safe to powerdown" message, type 'mode co 80'. See that DOS prompt there? No, I didn't think so.
So, either 1 of 2 things are happening. One, Windows is running over the same old DOS kernel which isn't halted when the graphical shell was closed down, just like you'd see with Windows 3.11, *or* Microsoft wrote Windows 95 to boot up the DOS kernel after they halted the "Windows" kernel just to display the "It's safe to shutdown" screen. Somehow, I'm betting on the first theory to be more correct.
-BrentThere are only 2 ways for me to take this. Either consumers are idiots (No real surprise though), or I misunderstood what they are saying.
If they don't want to pay for Corel Linux then use the download ("already created") version. And if they don't want to pay for WordPerfect, because they didn't "pay" for Linux, well, then all I can ask is have they never gotten anything else free before?
What is it with people when all they can say is "gimme, gimme, gimme". "You gave me that, now give me this". "I deserve that, I deserve this". So what are they going to do then? "Well, if I have to pay for Corel Office to run it on a free Corel Linux, then I'm just going to pay for both Windows and Office." What's more ironic is that they're probably the same people who are undyingly convinced that Windows is free because it came with their computers.
-Brent