the corporate oligarchy, brought to you by the government, which ensures that the only 'competition' happens in the high halls of government power and not in the market place
but there are teachers, school employees, government workers, law enforcement, and a large number of other people working on tax dollars that are definitely facing unemployment too due to the budget shortcomings.
- and all of those people must be terminated, they are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
USA has about 30 million people one way or another working for the government (with contractors and the military, etc), that's 10% of the population that lives off the taxes of the productive part of the population and mostly off borrowing money from the world (and the Fed) and destroying the actual future economy for those very children, the gov't is supposedly so concerned about.
Any and all government jobs must be cut before a single private sector job is destroyed.
You like to speculate about most outside observers quite a bit, ha? Do you care what they would think? I believe they'd tell you to take a hike on this entire issue, trying to limit their rights, to prevent them from being able to eat your brain in a jar.
Don't worry about outside observers - you are in my thread, you are replying to me, not to 'outside observers', and with me you have gained the correct reputation of being an idiot. You can't fix it, I can't help you.
Hey, douche, how about you go spread your care to actual humans for a change, ha? Go do something about that problem, don't worry about brains in a jar, dumbass.
You are an idiot, if you think that an artificially grown piece of meat, without an actual body can ever achieve any sort of consciousness that is at all similar to a real human. Matrix is not real, and people are not just vessels of pure reason, they are their mind + body + all of the chemical and mechanical processes that body allows + environment, in which they grow. A brain in a dish, even if you stick into a robot body, won't be a human, regardless of your attempt at mental diarrhea.
You can have a full replica of a human brain, fully grown in a dish, and still it won't be a human - just an expensive lab experiment. Until that fucker can get up, communicate with others and participate in economy and elections, it's about as deserving protection of any human laws as a can of sardines.
You can disagree all you like, AFAIC this topic is over.
if you can sell it, then it makes sense. But my thinking was more in terms of avoiding purchase being registered centrally, to avoid sales/excise/transaction taxes. Basically to get the governments' hands off private deals.
Well, they could use XBox and MS platform on wireless devices to go full Skype, and then connect Skype and PayPal to build an on-line/wireless payment system. As to the online retailer - they could build their own of-course, but it's easier to acquire a known one, like eBay and then build a sales platform, something like a retail specific OS platform and come up with some sort of p2p sales system. I don't know, maybe it's all crap.
I know they used to own it, they couldn't figure out what to do with it, even though it was staring right into their faces. They can't think beyond their current box.
MS may want to acquire their way into a profitable market, such as eBay or Amazon, (eBay is cheaper and they'd get PayPal with it), and then if they do get Skype, they could come up with tech to do 'peer-to-peer' sales, something that eBay/Amazon don't offer because they don't have that kind of tech and something Skype doesn't offer, because it's not their business, but if they did something like that, they could then have an online bank, an online retailer, an communications company all in one package, and in the current world, where their business model of selling OS and Office is slowly eroding away, they will have to be thinking about more online presence and shifting to these markets, that have plenty of opportunity to evolve further... or maybe I am totally off base.
In fact, in that very article you linked to you will find this:
While it is difficult enough watching children struggle to find their lifeâ(TM)s path, it can also be costly. With tuition averaging $13,833 a year at public universities, indecisiveness can drain college savings accounts as students restart course sequences or transfer schools â" losing credits in the process. Ultimately they risk extending their college days beyond the four years parents planned to finance.
According to the College Board, five- and six-year students are not uncommon. Roughly 40 percent of those who start a four-year degree program still have not earned one after year six.
and then this:
âoeOur board took action when it noticed more of our students were taking longer to complete their education,â says Doug Bradley, director of communications for the University of Wisconsin System. They instituted an âexcess creditâ(TM) surcharge to encourage students to move on with their lives. The surcharge, which kicks in at 30 credits above the 135 normally needed to graduate, doubles a studentâ(TM)s tuition. Though assessed on a case-by-case basis, it is currently being applied, confirms Bradley. And other schools are taking note.
And another thing: now that the unemployment is so high, it's likely somewhere in 25-35% in reality, all those students are staying in school longer, taking on more loans, getting more of this so called 'education', so that they only don't have to face the terrible job market. Guess what: it's not going to get any better.
and after all of this does it still seem perfectly normal to you?
No, those are the people who should not even think about going to a college/university yet. They need to go work for a while, get some experience and then, when they figure out what they want to do and how much they are willing to spend on it (to get into debt for), then they may want to consider going to college, once they freaking know what they want.
But hey, to each his/her own. They'll make their stupid decisions once their are in the college, but they already will be half way into the poor house by then.
Challenged on the grounds that a piece of meat created in a dish, regardless of its properties, is not a human, and thus the definition of say 'killing' will not apply to it if you just cook it and eat it or cut it with razors and pump it with acids to observe the neuronal response.
It's not a human, it's not a pet either, it's an artificial clump of neurons with whatever processes in it and it does not deserve any more protections from any law than a computer program, that I can turn on and off, regardless of how much it resembles a human if you interact with it.
What will happen is that you'll modify the criminal law, and then if that is used against a human in a trial, the Constitutionality of the law will have to be challenged and it will be declared void, as it should be.
This is not very useful of-course yet, as the Fed will want a cut from any appreciation of the price of the metal in USD, though any appreciation is purely due to the dilution of the value of the fiat, so this is just theft, still, it will be interesting to see where this will go and how the Fed will be challenged in court to try and prevent the Fed from collecting the capital gain tax from the gold appreciating due to the inflation.
What "human services" would be taking care of me, my parents or kids exactly? Because by the time any of that will need to happen, there would be no government to do it, no money for it, and there would be plenty of cheap labor as well for the same reason.
As to your question: I don't care about your degree at all, it doesn't even enter my thinking process as long as you can show me that you can do the freaking job.
what about the guy who dies in debt, which he could never pay out, because he went to a university based out of fear, that is instilled into anybody today, that without a degree, he won't find any job, never mind a job in a field of their liking?
My point is that it is totally unnecessary to go to a university for most people, they are pressured into it, that's why they take courses that are pointless and useless - they never should have been in the university in the first place!
They are there, because of government printing and handing out money to them via students loans, but in reality those are not student loans, those are wealth transfer to those colleges and students are used as collateral in this war on common sense and value of education and fiat currency and economy in general.
The value of the diploma is diminished also because the quality is suffering from this artificial demand, which give anybody a loan, and then the universities grade on a curve, because you know what? Majority of the people there need to FAIL, goddamn it, they are not there because they like any of it, they are there to conform to this stupid requirement that society now puts in front of them.
And another thing: now that the unemployment is so high, it's likely somewhere in 25-35% in reality, all those students are staying in school longer, taking on more loans, getting more of this so called 'education', so that they only don't have to face the terrible job market. Guess what: it's not going to get any better.
Anybody who doesn't have real aptitude and passion for something, that really requires to go through the years of college, should instead keep their sanity, stay away from the debt and go get a job offering their services at like 10% of the asking price. In 4 year they'll have no debt, they'll be working, getting real experience, maybe having an average salary and some savings (especially if they live at their parents'), and the new college graduates will be coming into the terrible job market - without skills, with huge debt, competing with everybody across the world for those same jobs.
Also while these kids are at college, they take the money and they blow quite a lot of it on shit, they shouldn't, just because they have the cash, while what they really could do is take the loans, buy some gold, buy some dividend paying stocks from China, buy renminbi and go get a job somewhere or maybe study on their own, while making interest and beating inflation.
But you know what is going to happen, right? QE2 will be replaced with SE3, then with XE4 and then at some point the students also will be bailed out by the government, so you can even not only beat the inflation, but also even beat having to give the money back, even whatever worthless money it will be at the time.
Before you plunge yourself into tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt in this economic environment, you may want to step back and think it over and make the best decision of your life and NOT go to college.
Well, they are still producing millions of ounces a year, somewhere around 2.5 thousand metric tons of the stuff, it's not going anywhere for as long as we need the money.
However even with a completely fixed amount of gold in the world, the economy would still be better off than what fiat offers today, with the politicians printing it to cover their debts and thus destroying the value of money for the entire globe.
Again: gold is not wealth, gold is store of value and even if the production totally stopped (unlikely), the only effect would be that the current reserves would be gaining value.
This is a good thing, as money needs to be as scarce as possible, to make the investments in ways, that avert risk and that maximize profits.
Eventually if people couldn't use gold because they wouldn't have access to it, they could then come up with their competing ways to trade - but in any case it must not be government created fiat, it must be totally market driven competing system. Gold is not the ONLY material that can be used as store of value, medium of exchange and means of trade.
In principle there should be a way to use ANYTHING that has value as money - so having a bank, that would hold your gold or your copper or your cotton or your coal, etc., and then having your debit/credit card that would be backed by those commodities.
Or you could have shares of companies used as money (because they are money, and fiat is like a share in the Federal reserve bank, it's worthless, but it is a share of that worthless entity).
I don't have a problem with people trading in commodities or in production capacity via company's shares, but I do have a problem with fiat that is printed by politicians.
Again, you can hold your fiat, I hold what I believe is best for me.
And the average per capita income went up even more (and you can buy products were unimaginable or cost a fortune in 1914), so what's your complaint, that the numbers are increasing?:-)
- why don't you think at least for once and examine your own premise.
Prior to 1965 (and prior to 1913) people paid for their own medical expenses to get whatever state of the art current medical professionals could provide.
Now people can't afford their own insurance we are told, yet you are saying that the inflation allowed the wages to increase by the same margin as the rest of the costs?
Now lets see about the other part of it: innovation.
19 century started without machines, electricity, telegraph, phones, people ate 1 maybe 2 times a day at most, food was scarce, it was poor and variety was very low. Clothing was expensive, there was not enough medical professionals, schools were primitive, mostly dealing with basic reading/writing/arithmetic and religion. Children were working in the farms since age of 4-5, women had scores of kids.
20 century started with indoor plumbing, housing, varieties of cheap plentiful food, cheap clothing, washing machines, sewing machines, vacuum cleaners, refrigerators, even cars and airplanes were in development. People were even launching small rockets for the hell of it. The medical professionals were accessible and competitive, so prices were low, the dollar was buying 2 times as much of the same products as it was buying 100 years prior, the children didn't HAVE to work anymore, women didn't have to bear multiple kids, they were thinking finally about their own right, suffrage was gaining momentum.
So when you talk about unimaginable things today, that are mostly the product of FREER markets found in electronics, you are completely missing the fact that 100 years in 19 century basically created most of what allowed civilization even to start moving towards globalization and telecommunications and computers, all of this work was done in 19 century because of the development under free market capitalism.
Unfortunately for huge number of students, they end up with a worthless degree and a huge debt, and the reason for this, is that the government provides the loans, the universities/colleges jack up the prices simply because they know that the money will be transfered to them from the government and students are used as collateral.
The reason why many people major in things that are worthless and not in say engineering that is useful in oil production is because most people do not really need to go to college in the first place, they don't have the aptitude for it, but they are pressured into it by the system, which tells them now that without that degree, they won't be able to find ANY job, never mind job in some profession, because they are told that everybody has a degree, so not having a degree is like not having your 10 or 11 or 12 grade (or whatever the highest grade in high school for different Western nations).
Now, in reality this is nonsense, most of the people who major in sociology or something like that, would be much better off without a degree, going to a trade school or even just offering their services at a huge discount to a potential employer, say at 10-15% of what the normal starting rate is, but then after 4 years those people wouldn't have thousands of dollars of debt, would have 4 years of experience and would have a job.
The problem is that many are told that without a college degree you'd make like a million dollars less over life time than with a degree, but consider what it would take you to pay out say a 100-200K mortgage over decades with interest and you'll quickly realize that it's nonsense, it's better to start with a clean slate than to be in deb at the tender age of 22 or so. Also understand that those who'd make more money, they are people who would have gone to college anyway, because they have the ability - aptitude. People are not equal, don't fool yourself.
Get a trade profession, offer your services at a discount, get a job, start your own business, do NOT go to college unless you want to be a doctor or an engineer or a professor for sure.
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the corporate oligarchy, brought to you by the government, which ensures that the only 'competition' happens in the high halls of government power and not in the market place
Beaaaauuuutiiiiifuuuuuul.
but there are teachers, school employees, government workers, law enforcement, and a large number of other people working on tax dollars that are definitely facing unemployment too due to the budget shortcomings.
- and all of those people must be terminated, they are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
USA has about 30 million people one way or another working for the government (with contractors and the military, etc), that's 10% of the population that lives off the taxes of the productive part of the population and mostly off borrowing money from the world (and the Fed) and destroying the actual future economy for those very children, the gov't is supposedly so concerned about.
Any and all government jobs must be cut before a single private sector job is destroyed.
You like to speculate about most outside observers quite a bit, ha? Do you care what they would think? I believe they'd tell you to take a hike on this entire issue, trying to limit their rights, to prevent them from being able to eat your brain in a jar.
Don't worry about outside observers - you are in my thread, you are replying to me, not to 'outside observers', and with me you have gained the correct reputation of being an idiot. You can't fix it, I can't help you.
Hey, douche, how about you go spread your care to actual humans for a change, ha? Go do something about that problem, don't worry about brains in a jar, dumbass.
You are an idiot, if you think that an artificially grown piece of meat, without an actual body can ever achieve any sort of consciousness that is at all similar to a real human. Matrix is not real, and people are not just vessels of pure reason, they are their mind + body + all of the chemical and mechanical processes that body allows + environment, in which they grow. A brain in a dish, even if you stick into a robot body, won't be a human, regardless of your attempt at mental diarrhea.
You can have a full replica of a human brain, fully grown in a dish, and still it won't be a human - just an expensive lab experiment. Until that fucker can get up, communicate with others and participate in economy and elections, it's about as deserving protection of any human laws as a can of sardines.
You can disagree all you like, AFAIC this topic is over.
if you can sell it, then it makes sense. But my thinking was more in terms of avoiding purchase being registered centrally, to avoid sales/excise/transaction taxes. Basically to get the governments' hands off private deals.
Well, they could use XBox and MS platform on wireless devices to go full Skype, and then connect Skype and PayPal to build an on-line/wireless payment system. As to the online retailer - they could build their own of-course, but it's easier to acquire a known one, like eBay and then build a sales platform, something like a retail specific OS platform and come up with some sort of p2p sales system. I don't know, maybe it's all crap.
I know they used to own it, they couldn't figure out what to do with it, even though it was staring right into their faces. They can't think beyond their current box.
MS may want to acquire their way into a profitable market, such as eBay or Amazon, (eBay is cheaper and they'd get PayPal with it), and then if they do get Skype, they could come up with tech to do 'peer-to-peer' sales, something that eBay/Amazon don't offer because they don't have that kind of tech and something Skype doesn't offer, because it's not their business, but if they did something like that, they could then have an online bank, an online retailer, an communications company all in one package, and in the current world, where their business model of selling OS and Office is slowly eroding away, they will have to be thinking about more online presence and shifting to these markets, that have plenty of opportunity to evolve further... or maybe I am totally off base.
In fact, in that very article you linked to you will find this:
While it is difficult enough watching children struggle to find their lifeâ(TM)s path, it can also be costly. With tuition averaging $13,833 a year at public universities, indecisiveness can drain college savings accounts as students restart course sequences or transfer schools â" losing credits in the process. Ultimately they risk extending their college days beyond the four years parents planned to finance.
According to the College Board, five- and six-year students are not uncommon. Roughly 40 percent of those who start a four-year degree program still have not earned one after year six.
and then this:
âoeOur board took action when it noticed more of our students were taking longer to complete their education,â says Doug Bradley, director of communications for the University of Wisconsin System. They instituted an âexcess creditâ(TM) surcharge to encourage students to move on with their lives. The surcharge, which kicks in at 30 credits above the 135 normally needed to graduate, doubles a studentâ(TM)s tuition. Though assessed on a case-by-case basis, it is currently being applied, confirms Bradley. And other schools are taking note.
And that's exactly what I said, except I understood better why they are doing it:
And another thing: now that the unemployment is so high, it's likely somewhere in 25-35% in reality, all those students are staying in school longer, taking on more loans, getting more of this so called 'education', so that they only don't have to face the terrible job market. Guess what: it's not going to get any better.
and after all of this does it still seem perfectly normal to you?
No, those are the people who should not even think about going to a college/university yet. They need to go work for a while, get some experience and then, when they figure out what they want to do and how much they are willing to spend on it (to get into debt for), then they may want to consider going to college, once they freaking know what they want.
But hey, to each his/her own. They'll make their stupid decisions once their are in the college, but they already will be half way into the poor house by then.
Challenged on the grounds that a piece of meat created in a dish, regardless of its properties, is not a human, and thus the definition of say 'killing' will not apply to it if you just cook it and eat it or cut it with razors and pump it with acids to observe the neuronal response.
It's not a human, it's not a pet either, it's an artificial clump of neurons with whatever processes in it and it does not deserve any more protections from any law than a computer program, that I can turn on and off, regardless of how much it resembles a human if you interact with it.
Go away, troll.
do you have a star sized umbrella?
yet another worthless AC.
it pours
No no, go ahead, modify the criminal law.
What will happen is that you'll modify the criminal law, and then if that is used against a human in a trial, the Constitutionality of the law will have to be challenged and it will be declared void, as it should be.
And what percentage of 17-19 year old incoming Freshman have any clue as to what they want to major in or what career path they would like to take
- I don't know what percentage it is, but it should be the same percentage that goes to college in the first place.
Unless that sentient being participates in the economy, I am not interested in hearing about its rights.
As to ethics of the situation - go ahead, discuss it, as long as it does not lead to any modification of the law, I do not care one way or another.
ha ha ha ha ha - too funny.
This is not very useful of-course yet, as the Fed will want a cut from any appreciation of the price of the metal in USD, though any appreciation is purely due to the dilution of the value of the fiat, so this is just theft, still, it will be interesting to see where this will go and how the Fed will be challenged in court to try and prevent the Fed from collecting the capital gain tax from the gold appreciating due to the inflation.
What "human services" would be taking care of me, my parents or kids exactly? Because by the time any of that will need to happen, there would be no government to do it, no money for it, and there would be plenty of cheap labor as well for the same reason.
As to your question: I don't care about your degree at all, it doesn't even enter my thinking process as long as you can show me that you can do the freaking job.
what about the guy who dies in debt, which he could never pay out, because he went to a university based out of fear, that is instilled into anybody today, that without a degree, he won't find any job, never mind a job in a field of their liking?
My point is that it is totally unnecessary to go to a university for most people, they are pressured into it, that's why they take courses that are pointless and useless - they never should have been in the university in the first place!
They are there, because of government printing and handing out money to them via students loans, but in reality those are not student loans, those are wealth transfer to those colleges and students are used as collateral in this war on common sense and value of education and fiat currency and economy in general.
The value of the diploma is diminished also because the quality is suffering from this artificial demand, which give anybody a loan, and then the universities grade on a curve, because you know what? Majority of the people there need to FAIL, goddamn it, they are not there because they like any of it, they are there to conform to this stupid requirement that society now puts in front of them.
And another thing: now that the unemployment is so high, it's likely somewhere in 25-35% in reality, all those students are staying in school longer, taking on more loans, getting more of this so called 'education', so that they only don't have to face the terrible job market. Guess what: it's not going to get any better.
Anybody who doesn't have real aptitude and passion for something, that really requires to go through the years of college, should instead keep their sanity, stay away from the debt and go get a job offering their services at like 10% of the asking price. In 4 year they'll have no debt, they'll be working, getting real experience, maybe having an average salary and some savings (especially if they live at their parents'), and the new college graduates will be coming into the terrible job market - without skills, with huge debt, competing with everybody across the world for those same jobs.
Also while these kids are at college, they take the money and they blow quite a lot of it on shit, they shouldn't, just because they have the cash, while what they really could do is take the loans, buy some gold, buy some dividend paying stocks from China, buy renminbi and go get a job somewhere or maybe study on their own, while making interest and beating inflation.
But you know what is going to happen, right? QE2 will be replaced with SE3, then with XE4 and then at some point the students also will be bailed out by the government, so you can even not only beat the inflation, but also even beat having to give the money back, even whatever worthless money it will be at the time.
Before you plunge yourself into tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt in this economic environment, you may want to step back and think it over and make the best decision of your life and NOT go to college.
well, I believe some sociology major with mod points just went over the comments here, thus you can see the results....
Well, they are still producing millions of ounces a year, somewhere around 2.5 thousand metric tons of the stuff, it's not going anywhere for as long as we need the money.
However even with a completely fixed amount of gold in the world, the economy would still be better off than what fiat offers today, with the politicians printing it to cover their debts and thus destroying the value of money for the entire globe.
Again: gold is not wealth, gold is store of value and even if the production totally stopped (unlikely), the only effect would be that the current reserves would be gaining value.
This is a good thing, as money needs to be as scarce as possible, to make the investments in ways, that avert risk and that maximize profits.
Eventually if people couldn't use gold because they wouldn't have access to it, they could then come up with their competing ways to trade - but in any case it must not be government created fiat, it must be totally market driven competing system. Gold is not the ONLY material that can be used as store of value, medium of exchange and means of trade.
In principle there should be a way to use ANYTHING that has value as money - so having a bank, that would hold your gold or your copper or your cotton or your coal, etc., and then having your debit/credit card that would be backed by those commodities.
Or you could have shares of companies used as money (because they are money, and fiat is like a share in the Federal reserve bank, it's worthless, but it is a share of that worthless entity).
I don't have a problem with people trading in commodities or in production capacity via company's shares, but I do have a problem with fiat that is printed by politicians.
Again, you can hold your fiat, I hold what I believe is best for me.
good luck.
And the average per capita income went up even more (and you can buy products were unimaginable or cost a fortune in 1914), so what's your complaint, that the numbers are increasing? :-)
- why don't you think at least for once and examine your own premise.
Prior to 1965 (and prior to 1913) people paid for their own medical expenses to get whatever state of the art current medical professionals could provide.
Now people can't afford their own insurance we are told, yet you are saying that the inflation allowed the wages to increase by the same margin as the rest of the costs?
Now lets see about the other part of it: innovation.
19 century started without machines, electricity, telegraph, phones, people ate 1 maybe 2 times a day at most, food was scarce, it was poor and variety was very low. Clothing was expensive, there was not enough medical professionals, schools were primitive, mostly dealing with basic reading/writing/arithmetic and religion. Children were working in the farms since age of 4-5, women had scores of kids.
20 century started with indoor plumbing, housing, varieties of cheap plentiful food, cheap clothing, washing machines, sewing machines, vacuum cleaners, refrigerators, even cars and airplanes were in development. People were even launching small rockets for the hell of it. The medical professionals were accessible and competitive, so prices were low, the dollar was buying 2 times as much of the same products as it was buying 100 years prior, the children didn't HAVE to work anymore, women didn't have to bear multiple kids, they were thinking finally about their own right, suffrage was gaining momentum.
So when you talk about unimaginable things today, that are mostly the product of FREER markets found in electronics, you are completely missing the fact that 100 years in 19 century basically created most of what allowed civilization even to start moving towards globalization and telecommunications and computers, all of this work was done in 19 century because of the development under free market capitalism.
Unfortunately for huge number of students, they end up with a worthless degree and a huge debt, and the reason for this, is that the government provides the loans, the universities/colleges jack up the prices simply because they know that the money will be transfered to them from the government and students are used as collateral.
The reason why many people major in things that are worthless and not in say engineering that is useful in oil production is because most people do not really need to go to college in the first place, they don't have the aptitude for it, but they are pressured into it by the system, which tells them now that without that degree, they won't be able to find ANY job, never mind job in some profession, because they are told that everybody has a degree, so not having a degree is like not having your 10 or 11 or 12 grade (or whatever the highest grade in high school for different Western nations).
Now, in reality this is nonsense, most of the people who major in sociology or something like that, would be much better off without a degree, going to a trade school or even just offering their services at a huge discount to a potential employer, say at 10-15% of what the normal starting rate is, but then after 4 years those people wouldn't have thousands of dollars of debt, would have 4 years of experience and would have a job.
The problem is that many are told that without a college degree you'd make like a million dollars less over life time than with a degree, but consider what it would take you to pay out say a 100-200K mortgage over decades with interest and you'll quickly realize that it's nonsense, it's better to start with a clean slate than to be in deb at the tender age of 22 or so. Also understand that those who'd make more money, they are people who would have gone to college anyway, because they have the ability - aptitude. People are not equal, don't fool yourself.
Get a trade profession, offer your services at a discount, get a job, start your own business, do NOT go to college unless you want to be a doctor or an engineer or a professor for sure.