Except that I have nothing to do with any of your tea-parties and prefer to live in a place with no income tax, thus I have been driven away in the same manner these companies are, I can't help it but to tell you to wait a bit. US economy clearly cannot be directly compared to any of the Scandinavian countries, everything about these countries is different, from size, to population, to culture, to production capacity, to spending, to rules and laws, etc. It's never really a meaningful comparison, but comparing Scandinavian countries to other countries in Europe makes much more sense, and the European economies are mostly failing with the exception of the strongest ones, which will last longer. I wonder what it will look like in 20 years, but I am willing to bet that the Scandinavian countries you are so adamant in defending will be a failure in their own right.
-- Of-course it is ALSO possible, that the failure of US economy (forced upon US by its gov't corruption and meddling with the free market) will lead to many US citizens leaving the US for 'greener pastures' and that many millions will end up in Scandinavian countries, thus prolonging their life spans, but I have no doubt that Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Greenland, will all follow the way of Iceland and Greece eventually, they are consuming and borrowing more than they are producing but at rates much different than that of the US.
Clearly none of those countries are involved in massive wars all over the place, so that's one of the reasons they are not dead yet.
I don't know why it cut off my text after the preview was correct.
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Gov't is the force that created and maintained monopolies while paying lip service to competition. Gov't is the force the destroyed and keeps the destroying the money. Gov't is the force that constantly increases in size and spending, while it clearly cannot be afforded by the strangled jobless unproductive society.
Interestingly, being a highly credible debtor, the most efficient state for a government to be in is slightly in debt. Of course it's not quite that simple but that's another chapter.
- I don't know if US or most European countries fall into your definition of 'slightly', but they are failing and will fail completely due to the debt that they are collecting, collected and will never be able to repay in real money (though they may just be able to 'repay' it in nominal terms and in worthless paper.)
That is also necessary to discourage hoarding and encourage economic activity and investment.
- OMG, nobody just 'hoards' for no reason, but 'hoarding' is the ONLY true way to actually HAVE capital.
How can you amass capital and start an enterprise without real work and savings resulting from that work? Borrowing? Well that works just until you can no longer repay it with any work you can really do, it's not working clearly, that's why the economies of US and many European countries are dying today.
Without inflation the a majority of people would become destiute, as interest rates would slowly accumulate all the money with the wealthy. Growth would stagnate (by definition) and prices would deflate.
- really? So how do you then explain the enormous rise of overall wealth in the society of US in the 19 century, which was on the gold standard and yet turned the economy from agricultural, where people used to be subsistence farmers, kids used to work on farms from age 4-5, women used to be baby making machines, people used to have money for like a month after the harvest only, there were no machines to help, there was no indoor plumbing, the food was scarce and expensive, so was clothing and energy, the medical treatment was unachievable etc.etc.
How do you explain that throughout the 19 century the quality of life of the entire population was raised so dramatically, that only 5% of population was needed to feed 100%, that there was actual formation of middle class through appearance of all the professionals such as engineers, accountants, medical workers? What about the cultural changes, where eventually the labor became less intense, the child mortality fell by 3/4, where children eventually weren't sent by their parents to work either in the fields OR in the factories, where women gained ability to become independently wealthy and were no longer baby making slaves, where people gained access to indoor plumbing, the food became cheap, abundant and safe due to the free market inventions, such as the refrigeration and canning, the medical professionals became accessible and they had enough competition among themselves that the prices fell so much, everybody was paying out of pocket to see doctors, insurance formed and people were able to buy insurance since 1850 extremely cheaply? How about the machines that the free market created, what about communications and new types of energy (steam - electrical - gas/oil and internal combustion), the cars? the airplanes? Radio and phones? washing machines? Vacuum cleaners? Sewing machines? etc. All of these things were possible due to free market and not to gov't, and all of those things first came out expensive and very quickly became cheaper?
The prices DID deflate, and it was the best thing for everybody!
The prices need to deflate, the prices need to deflate NOW and the gov't won't let it, saying the inflation is the GOAL.
Prices need to fall. How is it possible for all of these people who are arguing with me on/. to be simultaneously Marxist and yet want the prices to rise continuously? That makes no freaking sense at all, the actual poorer people and the middle class do not suffer from falling prices, they get more purchasing power through falling prices.
After the creation of the Fed in 1913 the monetary supply started inflating and since then the prices always went up on anything the gov't touched especially (like tuition, like health, like military, etc.) and all of this has to be funded somehow, so obviously the debt rose more and more, the inflation started destroying the money itself, the regulations and laws and taxes turned the economy from the envy of the world it was into a nightmare, that all producers want to move out of. But of-course the gov't is seen as panacea, while it is the force that turned the economy into this nightmare.
Gov't is the force that created and maintained monopolies while paying lip service to competition. Gov't is the force the destroyed and keeps the destroying the money. Gov't is the force that constantly increases in size and spending, while it clearly cannot be afforded by the strangled jobless unproductive society.
Interestingly, being a highly credible debtor, the most efficient state for a government to be in is slightly in de
Taxing consumption is the only way to ensure that the gov't is not growing beyond the means of the economy to support that gov't.
Gov't is a spending item, it is a luxury, all of the functions of gov't are paid for by taking away wealth from people, not by any sort of production.
Nobody can live in a society and not actually consume anything unless they are dead.
You are 'calling bullshit' on my points while producing gems like this:
Which might seem to be fine, until you realize that everything we have has to be taxed and that sales taxes tend to encourage people to buy cheaper things, usually produced off shore.
- what insanity! You are living in a society, which is consuming almost EVERYTHING that is made abroad NOW! What are you smoking? The very reason why all of the consumables are made somewhere else (and the reason productive jobs are disappearing) is because this is where all the production is.
The US of A is running a 50Billion/MONTH trade deficit. It is importing by 50 billion/month more than it is exporting, and its main exports are military/subsidized food/entertainment/inflation (printed dollars).
In order for you to exist with your current standard of living, you need all of those countries, who are importing into yours, to keep accepting the inflation you are exporting, to keep buying your debt and giving you the credit and imports that you are using. Your standard of living will crash immediately, as the rest of the world stops actually handing over the fruits of their labor to you, once they stop buying your debt and stop inflating their own money to follow yours, once they realize USD/bond a pyramid scam and they need to get out of it not to be left holding the hot potato last.
Your infrastructure and police and defense and emergency are all expenses you can no longer afford. All of the gov't obligations that your gov't is holding cannot be paid if your gov't can no longer increase its debt and can no longer borrow.
This is exactly like Greece but worse, it's like ZImbabwe because unlike Greece, you have no Germany to save your ass by giving you bail outs.
Supply side economics is what? I don't care what labels you put on things, once you do not actually HAVE any supplies left, then come back and talk about standard of living.
Saying that Scandinavian economies are STRONGEST in the world is exactly what you are failing to see as dogma.
Greece is not Scandinavia, but only 20 years ago you could make the same argument about it, yet it cooked its books to get accepted into the European Union and everybody seems to know today that Greece is only able to function as a borrower, who is not productive at all and all of its social obligations are killing it.
The Scandinavian economies are going to go the way of Greece eventually, they are living today on the borrowed time and money.
However USA is living on the borrowed time and money as well, and the problems of Scandinavian countries are paling in the face of the challenges that USA is facing with its levels of spending, borrowing and printing.
USA may be not directly taxing as much as Sweden (however this is actually questionable) but USA is taxing by printing more than most of the countries in the world today, and so far it was able to do so because of the status of its currency, which is the reserve and which was the reason until now that USA was able to live on borrowed time by exporting its huge levels of inflation to other countries, who are absorbing the enormous US inflation and lowering their own standard of living by taking away purchasing power of its citizens, inflating their own monetary supply in order to export the goods they produce to USA, thus subsidizing the US standard of living.
Well, that kind of life will not last and the more US depends on the imports the more painful the fall is going to be.
You are calling my comments dogma, yet they are my opinion not based on any actual ideology, but rather on looking at economics and understanding that economy is in production, not in consumption, borrowing and spending. It is the/. moderators who are following the dogmatic practice of moderating comments as 'Troll', when the most I can think of my comments as being to some people as a possible Flame, simply because to them my way of looking at economy makes their brains burn with ideological anger.
If you base your thinking about economics on moral/socialistic/Marxist ideology, then you may view my comments as flamebaiting, but if you divorce your thinking from magic, you'll see that I am only talking about optimization of economic pressures. I am talking about living within your means. I am talking about the real economy, which is the economy of production.
There is no such thing as economy of consumption and services, there is only economy of production and the history is showing it and the current events are showing it again. Unless people stop thinking about economy as of some magic, which is a 'struggle' of the poor and the rich, as if there is this magic wealth, that is hidden from them by the rich, and until people start understanding that economy is about production first of all and that consumption is only a consequence of production, that you cannot consume more than you produce, that money is not paper, money is value that you create, until that time these people will keep making the same mistakes and will cause their societies to fall by expecting something for nothing and by becoming uncompetitive and by losing what makes production possible - capital.
The USA is losing the production capacity and thus it is losing the real wealth.
Obviously it is a game, where Google is using a loophole by having its financial headquarters in Ireland to avoid US taxes.
Eventually, as Ireland raises taxes, Google will move somewhere else.
But the real problem is not for Ireland, it is for US, as Google and all other companies are moving out and will move out completely, if forced to play by the rules of US government.
-- I can also give you a similar counterargument - if spending and inflating money is what creates wealth (as US gov't seems to believe), then ZIMBABWE must be the most productive country on earth.
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My argument is not bullshit, because it is exactly showing what is happening - production capacity is leaving those countries, with the most spending.
Germany and France will also face the music eventually, it's just they are not first in line. First in line is USA.
Germany is already forced to bail out entire freaking countries, lets see how long that kind of spending and inflating can continue without Germany either leaving the EU or also starting to feel the heat of companies leaving.
"Debt free money issued by your government" - what?:) What a laugh.
Gov't is the FIRST DEBTOR. What are you smoking - 'debt free government'?
OMG, what a mind job.
Everybody would be better off if the gov't let go of economy altogether and let the people decide what value is, what money is, forget about central planning - central planning is the reason that there are crashes.
The real money cannot be printed by governments to hide their true spending and debt, the real money will not allow somebody to inflate the monetary supply and take away your money by inflation through taxing your entire net worth.
Real money exists today, just hold that. Real money - gold/silver/some other commodity.
Of-course it's better if money is invested into productive land/productive business, something that generates value, because the true wealth of society is NOT money but production capacity.
The true measure of wealth of society is how much and what the society produces, not what the society consumes.
Consuming is easy, it's trivial, it's a consequence of production, not the other way around. The gov't (US especially) believes that consumption is the true indication of wealth.
Well, wait until you have nothing to consume, because nobody who is producing is giving it to you to consume, then tell me what real wealth is.
Except that I trust gold to be real money, proven over thousands of years but I do NOT trust any fiat money.
Some silly people come up with silly arguments like this one:
"But at some point the gold will be everywhere, science will let us have unlimited amounts of gold".
Yeah, OK, excuse me if I do not worry about that remote possibility because there is the most real, the most overused thing that is happening forever: FIAT is printed in unlimited amounts now.
It is so easy to print actual cash, that gov'ts have never failed not to run out of cash IF they can print it. Printing cash is the reality of today, 'printing' gold is some remote possibility, even if it is ever possible at all in terms of creating gold by not spending more than the created gold is worth.
My point is this: I see gold as money and I see fiat money as fake. Whenever I have to do a transaction in fiat, I reluctantly exchange gold for that paper and I can't wait to get rid of it.
Money to me is something that cannot be inflated and so far all fiat currencies have shown time and again, that gov'ts inflate them and rob people of purchasing power.
You think the US gov't is not going to raise taxes? They are printing fiat USD every day - that's taxes on everybody who holds US dollars/bonds. That's taxes on net-worth, not just on your income, (taxing income - it's a crime in my book.)
The income and payroll taxes, as well as all the rules and regulations are turning the once productive societies into the third world countries, by creating huge disincentives for people to produce, by moving capital out because societies with gigantic tax rates and so called 'social obligations' have produced entirely unsustainable parasitic governments of enormous size that are strangling the host economy.
The correct answer is to reduce the gov't to a tiny subset of what it is, to stop pretending there are such things as social obligations, to stop robbing the producers by taxing their income (all income and payroll taxes must be abolished) it is the worst idea ever to tax income. Taxing income first, takes away your capital that you can reinvest. Taxing income is not taxing consumption, taxing income means taxing work. How dare anybody tax work of anybody? That's just pure serfdom and slavery. Taxing consumption is the correct thing to do to run a gov't, if indeed gov't is needed at all.
Gov't IS consumption, it's NOT production, so gov't must be supported only through the money that is used for consumption, because then it will clearly represent a fraction of the money that is diverted by the productive members of society towards consumption, it will keep the gov't in check in terms of its ability to affect society and to destroy economy by growing and reducing the competitive nature of the economy.
Gov't is not a producer, it doesn't have and cannot create wealth. It can only take wealth away. However gov't is also a luxury. It is a luxury, which is, like any other luxury, must be controlled by the willingness of the people to SPEND money.
When people control their spending, they are creating savings. Savings is the only true way to raise capital. Not borrowing, not money printing - savings.
Currently the gov'ts of the countries that are unproductive, are only exacerbating the economic woes that their societies are facing by destroying the ability of the society to raise capital.
The gov'ts do it in these ways: 1. Inflation - expanding the monetary supply. 2. Taxes - taking away money that is not even allocated for consumption. 3. Borrowing - taxing society in the future, with interest on top of that - pushing the problem to the future generations. 4. Setting 0% or near 0% interest rates.
Gov't shouldn't be doing any of these things. It shouldn't even be allowed to do any of these things. By doing these things the gov't is punishing the savers through taking away their money they worked for either directly (taxes) or indirectly (inflation + borrowing, which is also taxes and interest).
A normal household has only 2 choices to increase the purchasing power: 1. Increase income. 2. Reduce spending.
That is what people HAVE to do to get through tough times.
Gov't doesn't have anything they can qualify as income, all the money its taking in is not something gov't earned through any productive means.
So gov't has only 1 choice: reduce spending. But it won't do that. Gov't doesn't see it even possible to reduce its spending, gov't is a system that cannot be reduced through any normal means. It's like a black hole, no matter how much you throw at it, it'll take it and than will take every single other thing you can throw at it.
-- Google is doing the right thing. European Union was an interesting idea when it started, but only politically, it should never have allowed the weakest links to be in the same money as the strongest players, so Germany and Ireland or Greece are NOT in the same economic position, they shouldn't have the same currency. Switzerland has figured this out and did the right thing - stayed in Swiss Franks, so those went up by 5 times over the years and Euro is consistently going down.
Well, during the war there were plenty women in armed forces, you couldn't really tell them 'no', but she wasn't in the army, she was working like most women and children at a factory, building weapons.
I don't know about that, it's does make some sense, it allows us to use visual memory to do calculations (like when we play chess without the board). I actually can imagine an abacus, it's nearly the same as imagining hands and fingers, it's easy to use that to do binary by the way.
But in case of my grandmother, she remembered a LOT of numbers just like that, because you know, decades of experience all around numbers.
My grandmother, while she still was alive, could do these kinds of tricks in her head in a few seconds. She could multiply 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 digit numbers, divide and even take roots. All in her head. The day she finished high school the war started, so instead of becoming a teacher she was making tank gun rounds and then after the war worked as a food store clerk and then an accountant and the head accountant for a number of stores at the same time (this was the old USSR). Most of her life she was around numbers. So in the stores even until 1980s they didn't calculators or electronic machines, they used abacus. She calculated everything in her head in seconds and told the result, the buyers would not believe her and ask her to show them on the abacus, so she did. I cannot say that I ever heard her being wrong about calculations.
I believe she remembered a lot of the calcuations ahead of time, so she nearly knew the results (pre-cached the results) and then worked the small differences out. I don't have that cache of numbers, but 2 and 3 digit numbers I can do fairly quickly.
289 and 357 to me is (3570 - 357) + (35700 - 3570 * 2) + 35700 * 2. So the only difficulty here is making sure I don't screw up the subtractions, and those are just a matter of paying attention.
My suggestion is totally much more in line with the TSA thinking and extremely rational as well!
All we do is we eliminate colons. That's gonna stop most terrorists right there. In fact, it will stop all terrorists, I have never hear of a terrorist without a colon, so all terrorists have colons, so clearly, if you have a colon, you just might be a terrorist, but if you don't have one, you are free to go (to go, get it?)
Well, looks like the US intelligence and military actually LIKED the action, but now, that the details came out, they are too embarrassed to admit to the moments of joy they have received there.
Now they are desperately trying to replay the entire incident backwards, looking for the right positions and reenacting it for their own pleasure, but doing so through the TSA in the airports. You see, the entire TSA thing, with junk groping and the naked pictures, it's just a masqueraded way for the intelligence and the military structures to get the memories and experiences repeated over and over. Their top bras has a lot of air miles after all.
Clearly Julian Assange has committed a crime of raping the US intelligence and military, which is punishable by every means possible. He needs to be taken care of, he is clearly a sexual deviant, coercing the innocent intelligence and military structures into an uncomfortable position with him in a room in Stockholm.
sorry, cut off the previous post for some reason:....the same in thing in 1929 as they did in 1920, the recession would have been over in 1 year in 1929, just like it was in 1920.
The difference was that in 1920 the gov't cut spending by 70%.
In 1929 they instead started printing money, doing various gov't programs....
-- So by causing prices to increase all the time through regulation and anti-competitive anti-free market regulations and subsidies and laws, and at the same time causing inflation through money printing and setting interest rates at very low numbers (1% and even 0%) all of this takes away purchasing power from people.
Having a free market economy and having some kind of a monetary standard, that prevents monetary supply from being expanded (like the gold standard) causes the prices to go down.
You don't really have to be a genius to understand that when things become cheaper, people buy more, and the reverse is also true. --
Anyway, it's a very very easy thing to understand. Throughout the 19 century the prices on all manufactured goods, food, clothing, energy, tools and then later machines (like sewing machines, washing machines) housing, medical attention, prices were going down.
That's right. Do you know how the old generations of current times likes to remember how things cost LESS during their time or their parents/grandparents time?
Well, this is what the 1913 creation of the Fed caused - rise in prices through expansion of monetary supply (which is the definition of inflation).
The Fed causes inflation and causes prices to go up. Also all of the regulations and laws cause prices to go up. Subsidies cause prices to go up. Gov't loans cause prices to go up. Gov't programs cause prices to go up. Anything that gov't does causes prices to go up and choices to be reduced.
So people were able to buy more and more with the same money over the 19 century, but people were able to buy less and less with the same money after the Fed was created and especially once the federal gov't decided they are going to be active participant in everything in the economy and caused the Great Depression out of a recession (which they also caused by the way.) Had they done the same in thing in 1929 as they did in 1920, the recession would have been over in 1 year in 1929, just like it was in 1920.
However, you say how much money Patents cost the Government? It costs them nothing (well something but it's recuperated in taxes, fees, and corporate income tax) -- the real cost is societal.
- that's a fallacy. If the gov't wanted to maximize its taxes through taxing sales (but not income), they'd allow the free market to work.
Of-course most gov'ts tax income, so they prefer monopolies, so it makes sense for them to run protection rackets, which are patents etc. The monopolies make so much money on these things, that it's just easier to tax their incomes, and nobody in gov't is an economic genius that can understand that in a free market with no regulations there would be much more taxable sales activity going on.
So yes, it does cost the society in terms of higher prices and reduced choices and it costs the gov't if gov't were actually honest players and didn't try to run centralized economies.
Yeah, I am totally against this being the default setting.
I am also against income taxes, against government spending, borrowing and printing money, against government regulations and rules, I am against government in principle of-course at this point, against gov't taking my money or my body parts.
Of-course all I can do is vote with my feet - move to places with no income taxes for example, which I do. Unfortunately I still have to opt out of this program, but I did. I just don't like the masses very much.
I don't care, I looked at it and there was no obvious way to have a project for me in a familiar structure.
Do you know how I normally work? I always use ant (fuck maven), I create the build.xml and build.properties files by hand. Then I import the project into Eclipse with normal source import and it becomes a project, which can be built from Eclipse, but which I build from command line with ant build before when producing an installable package.
Eclipse shows me only what I want to see: source and package structure and file system (which I normally don't bother looking at with Eclipse browser).
That's all I want to see, I don't want to see all of those bizarre preset files, I don't want to see a 'dist' directory with a war file, I don't want to see anything called 'nbproject' with who knows what inside, I don't care, I don't want to see 'branding' directory with 'core' and 'modules', I don't want to see 'private' etc.
I don't care to find out why it creates 'master.jnlp' by itself and I am absolutely 100%, unequivocally am not interested in guessing whether it is modifying files and settings for me by itself when I do something.
I don't want an IDE to hide things from me, to do things for me that I didn't ask for.
Once it does that (and it did it, by pre-creating various shit I didn't ask for) that's it. My trust is gone. I will try it for a little while but once an hour passes by and I still don't know whether it's changing stuff on the background I am not asking for, it's done, it's gone, it's in the trash and off my desktop.
It's frustrating for you? For me what's frustrating is somebody's idea that they can do hidden things from me in my project. That's the reason I left Visual Age and JBuilder by the way, except those were requirements of the company, so I didn't have too much choice. But I wouldn't use them myself. I use Eclipse because I can actually trust it to do only what I tell it to do and nothing behind my back and nothing I didn't ask for.
I don't know why you are frustrated, it's not your problem that people find NetBeans to be something they don't want to use.
First of all you are wrong. USA had no gov't regulations throughout the 19 century, and it was that century that really improved quality of life for the world, created middle class in some countries where people were normally subsistence farmers, provided people with cheap abundant food, cheap abundant clothing, cheap abundant energy, indoor plumbing, safe food by refrigeration and canning and pasteurization, not due to any gov't regulation, it was the time that improved everybody's economic situation.
By comparison the 20 century ended on a down note unfortunately, all due to gov't printing fiat money, destroying competition, mis-allocating resources, regulating, setting price controls, wage laws, subsidies, income taxes etc.etc.etc.
-- The great thing about 'my philosophy' is that it is the true market idea, it works and it will be saving the asses of societies once the gov't destroys the economies those societies are taking for granted.
The great thing about my philosophy, is that it relies on the basic economic truth: if you start your insane action, you will get a reaction. You are going to force companies to do something like this, OK, you got it. You will get reduced choices. You will get increased prices. You will get more unemployment. You will see more jobs leave and eventually, when the gov't kills the currency after it is revealed that it's broke and bankrupt, the economy will start restructuring itself because people will start saving again, but the important thing is that all of this nonsense rules and regulations will go away, because there will be NO WAY TO PAY FOR IT AT ALL.
Yes, I am welcoming the economic destruction that is going on, because it is the cleansing action that will take down your version of the world and will bring about the change needed to restart the economy again based on FREE enterprise, not government directed economy destroying centrally planned insanity that has shown itself to be so impotent and so good at destroying economies all throughout the history of this human world.
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As to my personal affairs, I am not doing business in USA, I am doing business in Asia, it is a much more welcoming place to do business, much more free in terms of economic liberties than the USA is now, much closer to what USA was supposed to be and was before 1913.
As I said, you had specific directions not to do this, you still went ahead and did it. I don't care about you being correct or not, you were hired for a specific job and you are not doing it.
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Idiot? I guess the EU were also such idiots accepting Greece into the Union based on the cooked books.
Idiot? I guess time will tell, but you may want to think a bit more before leaving comments you can't take back.
Except that I have nothing to do with any of your tea-parties and prefer to live in a place with no income tax, thus I have been driven away in the same manner these companies are, I can't help it but to tell you to wait a bit. US economy clearly cannot be directly compared to any of the Scandinavian countries, everything about these countries is different, from size, to population, to culture, to production capacity, to spending, to rules and laws, etc. It's never really a meaningful comparison, but comparing Scandinavian countries to other countries in Europe makes much more sense, and the European economies are mostly failing with the exception of the strongest ones, which will last longer. I wonder what it will look like in 20 years, but I am willing to bet that the Scandinavian countries you are so adamant in defending will be a failure in their own right.
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Of-course it is ALSO possible, that the failure of US economy (forced upon US by its gov't corruption and meddling with the free market) will lead to many US citizens leaving the US for 'greener pastures' and that many millions will end up in Scandinavian countries, thus prolonging their life spans, but I have no doubt that Sweden, Norway, Finland, Denmark, Greenland, will all follow the way of Iceland and Greece eventually, they are consuming and borrowing more than they are producing but at rates much different than that of the US.
Clearly none of those countries are involved in massive wars all over the place, so that's one of the reasons they are not dead yet.
I don't know why it cut off my text after the preview was correct.
Here is the rest of it:
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Gov't is the force that created and maintained monopolies while paying lip service to competition. Gov't is the force the destroyed and keeps the destroying the money. Gov't is the force that constantly increases in size and spending, while it clearly cannot be afforded by the strangled jobless unproductive society.
Interestingly, being a highly credible debtor, the most efficient state for a government to be in is slightly in debt. Of course it's not quite that simple but that's another chapter.
- I don't know if US or most European countries fall into your definition of 'slightly', but they are failing and will fail completely due to the debt that they are collecting, collected and will never be able to repay in real money (though they may just be able to 'repay' it in nominal terms and in worthless paper.)
That is also necessary to discourage hoarding and encourage economic activity and investment.
- OMG, nobody just 'hoards' for no reason, but 'hoarding' is the ONLY true way to actually HAVE capital.
How can you amass capital and start an enterprise without real work and savings resulting from that work? Borrowing? Well that works just until you can no longer repay it with any work you can really do, it's not working clearly, that's why the economies of US and many European countries are dying today.
Without inflation the a majority of people would become destiute, as interest rates would slowly accumulate all the money with the wealthy. Growth would stagnate (by definition) and prices would deflate.
- really? So how do you then explain the enormous rise of overall wealth in the society of US in the 19 century, which was on the gold standard and yet turned the economy from agricultural, where people used to be subsistence farmers, kids used to work on farms from age 4-5, women used to be baby making machines, people used to have money for like a month after the harvest only, there were no machines to help, there was no indoor plumbing, the food was scarce and expensive, so was clothing and energy, the medical treatment was unachievable etc.etc.
How do you explain that throughout the 19 century the quality of life of the entire population was raised so dramatically, that only 5% of population was needed to feed 100%, that there was actual formation of middle class through appearance of all the professionals such as engineers, accountants, medical workers? What about the cultural changes, where eventually the labor became less intense, the child mortality fell by 3/4, where children eventually weren't sent by their parents to work either in the fields OR in the factories, where women gained ability to become independently wealthy and were no longer baby making slaves, where people gained access to indoor plumbing, the food became cheap, abundant and safe due to the free market inventions, such as the refrigeration and canning, the medical professionals became accessible and they had enough competition among themselves that the prices fell so much, everybody was paying out of pocket to see doctors, insurance formed and people were able to buy insurance since 1850 extremely cheaply? How about the machines that the free market created, what about communications and new types of energy (steam - electrical - gas/oil and internal combustion), the cars? the airplanes? Radio and phones? washing machines? Vacuum cleaners? Sewing machines? etc. All of these things were possible due to free market and not to gov't, and all of those things first came out expensive and very quickly became cheaper?
The prices DID deflate, and it was the best thing for everybody!
The prices need to deflate, the prices need to deflate NOW and the gov't won't let it, saying the inflation is the GOAL.
Prices need to fall. How is it possible for all of these people who are arguing with me on /. to be simultaneously Marxist and yet want the prices to rise continuously? That makes no freaking sense at all, the actual poorer people and the middle class do not suffer from falling prices, they get more purchasing power through falling prices.
After the creation of the Fed in 1913 the monetary supply started inflating and since then the prices always went up on anything the gov't touched especially (like tuition, like health, like military, etc.) and all of this has to be funded somehow, so obviously the debt rose more and more, the inflation started destroying the money itself, the regulations and laws and taxes turned the economy from the envy of the world it was into a nightmare, that all producers want to move out of. But of-course the gov't is seen as panacea, while it is the force that turned the economy into this nightmare.
Gov't is the force that created and maintained monopolies while paying lip service to competition. Gov't is the force the destroyed and keeps the destroying the money. Gov't is the force that constantly increases in size and spending, while it clearly cannot be afforded by the strangled jobless unproductive society.
Interestingly, being a highly credible debtor, the most efficient state for a government to be in is slightly in de
Taxing consumption is the only way to ensure that the gov't is not growing beyond the means of the economy to support that gov't.
Gov't is a spending item, it is a luxury, all of the functions of gov't are paid for by taking away wealth from people, not by any sort of production.
Nobody can live in a society and not actually consume anything unless they are dead.
You are 'calling bullshit' on my points while producing gems like this:
Which might seem to be fine, until you realize that everything we have has to be taxed and that sales taxes tend to encourage people to buy cheaper things, usually produced off shore.
- what insanity! You are living in a society, which is consuming almost EVERYTHING that is made abroad NOW! What are you smoking? The very reason why all of the consumables are made somewhere else (and the reason productive jobs are disappearing) is because this is where all the production is.
The US of A is running a 50Billion/MONTH trade deficit. It is importing by 50 billion/month more than it is exporting, and its main exports are military/subsidized food/entertainment/inflation (printed dollars).
In order for you to exist with your current standard of living, you need all of those countries, who are importing into yours, to keep accepting the inflation you are exporting, to keep buying your debt and giving you the credit and imports that you are using. Your standard of living will crash immediately, as the rest of the world stops actually handing over the fruits of their labor to you, once they stop buying your debt and stop inflating their own money to follow yours, once they realize USD/bond a pyramid scam and they need to get out of it not to be left holding the hot potato last.
Your infrastructure and police and defense and emergency are all expenses you can no longer afford. All of the gov't obligations that your gov't is holding cannot be paid if your gov't can no longer increase its debt and can no longer borrow.
This is exactly like Greece but worse, it's like ZImbabwe because unlike Greece, you have no Germany to save your ass by giving you bail outs.
Supply side economics is what? I don't care what labels you put on things, once you do not actually HAVE any supplies left, then come back and talk about standard of living.
Saying that Scandinavian economies are STRONGEST in the world is exactly what you are failing to see as dogma.
Greece is not Scandinavia, but only 20 years ago you could make the same argument about it, yet it cooked its books to get accepted into the European Union and everybody seems to know today that Greece is only able to function as a borrower, who is not productive at all and all of its social obligations are killing it.
The Scandinavian economies are going to go the way of Greece eventually, they are living today on the borrowed time and money.
However USA is living on the borrowed time and money as well, and the problems of Scandinavian countries are paling in the face of the challenges that USA is facing with its levels of spending, borrowing and printing.
USA may be not directly taxing as much as Sweden (however this is actually questionable) but USA is taxing by printing more than most of the countries in the world today, and so far it was able to do so because of the status of its currency, which is the reserve and which was the reason until now that USA was able to live on borrowed time by exporting its huge levels of inflation to other countries, who are absorbing the enormous US inflation and lowering their own standard of living by taking away purchasing power of its citizens, inflating their own monetary supply in order to export the goods they produce to USA, thus subsidizing the US standard of living.
Well, that kind of life will not last and the more US depends on the imports the more painful the fall is going to be.
You are calling my comments dogma, yet they are my opinion not based on any actual ideology, but rather on looking at economics and understanding that economy is in production, not in consumption, borrowing and spending. It is the /. moderators who are following the dogmatic practice of moderating comments as 'Troll', when the most I can think of my comments as being to some people as a possible Flame, simply because to them my way of looking at economy makes their brains burn with ideological anger.
If you base your thinking about economics on moral/socialistic/Marxist ideology, then you may view my comments as flamebaiting, but if you divorce your thinking from magic, you'll see that I am only talking about optimization of economic pressures. I am talking about living within your means. I am talking about the real economy, which is the economy of production.
There is no such thing as economy of consumption and services, there is only economy of production and the history is showing it and the current events are showing it again. Unless people stop thinking about economy as of some magic, which is a 'struggle' of the poor and the rich, as if there is this magic wealth, that is hidden from them by the rich, and until people start understanding that economy is about production first of all and that consumption is only a consequence of production, that you cannot consume more than you produce, that money is not paper, money is value that you create, until that time these people will keep making the same mistakes and will cause their societies to fall by expecting something for nothing and by becoming uncompetitive and by losing what makes production possible - capital.
The point is about USA, not about Ireland.
The USA is losing the production capacity and thus it is losing the real wealth.
Obviously it is a game, where Google is using a loophole by having its financial headquarters in Ireland to avoid US taxes.
Eventually, as Ireland raises taxes, Google will move somewhere else.
But the real problem is not for Ireland, it is for US, as Google and all other companies are moving out and will move out completely, if forced to play by the rules of US government.
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I can also give you a similar counterargument - if spending and inflating money is what creates wealth (as US gov't seems to believe), then ZIMBABWE must be the most productive country on earth.
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My argument is not bullshit, because it is exactly showing what is happening - production capacity is leaving those countries, with the most spending.
Germany and France will also face the music eventually, it's just they are not first in line. First in line is USA.
Germany is already forced to bail out entire freaking countries, lets see how long that kind of spending and inflating can continue without Germany either leaving the EU or also starting to feel the heat of companies leaving.
"Debt free money issued by your government" - what? :) What a laugh.
Gov't is the FIRST DEBTOR. What are you smoking - 'debt free government'?
OMG, what a mind job.
Everybody would be better off if the gov't let go of economy altogether and let the people decide what value is, what money is, forget about central planning - central planning is the reason that there are crashes.
The real money cannot be printed by governments to hide their true spending and debt, the real money will not allow somebody to inflate the monetary supply and take away your money by inflation through taxing your entire net worth.
Real money exists today, just hold that. Real money - gold/silver/some other commodity.
Of-course it's better if money is invested into productive land/productive business, something that generates value, because the true wealth of society is NOT money but production capacity.
The true measure of wealth of society is how much and what the society produces, not what the society consumes.
Consuming is easy, it's trivial, it's a consequence of production, not the other way around. The gov't (US especially) believes that consumption is the true indication of wealth.
Well, wait until you have nothing to consume, because nobody who is producing is giving it to you to consume, then tell me what real wealth is.
Except that I trust gold to be real money, proven over thousands of years but I do NOT trust any fiat money.
Some silly people come up with silly arguments like this one:
"But at some point the gold will be everywhere, science will let us have unlimited amounts of gold".
Yeah, OK, excuse me if I do not worry about that remote possibility because there is the most real, the most overused thing that is happening forever: FIAT is printed in unlimited amounts now.
It is so easy to print actual cash, that gov'ts have never failed not to run out of cash IF they can print it. Printing cash is the reality of today, 'printing' gold is some remote possibility, even if it is ever possible at all in terms of creating gold by not spending more than the created gold is worth.
My point is this: I see gold as money and I see fiat money as fake. Whenever I have to do a transaction in fiat, I reluctantly exchange gold for that paper and I can't wait to get rid of it.
Money to me is something that cannot be inflated and so far all fiat currencies have shown time and again, that gov'ts inflate them and rob people of purchasing power.
You think the US gov't is not going to raise taxes? They are printing fiat USD every day - that's taxes on everybody who holds US dollars/bonds. That's taxes on net-worth, not just on your income, (taxing income - it's a crime in my book.)
bullshit, bullshit.
The income and payroll taxes, as well as all the rules and regulations are turning the once productive societies into the third world countries, by creating huge disincentives for people to produce, by moving capital out because societies with gigantic tax rates and so called 'social obligations' have produced entirely unsustainable parasitic governments of enormous size that are strangling the host economy.
The correct answer is to reduce the gov't to a tiny subset of what it is, to stop pretending there are such things as social obligations, to stop robbing the producers by taxing their income (all income and payroll taxes must be abolished) it is the worst idea ever to tax income. Taxing income first, takes away your capital that you can reinvest. Taxing income is not taxing consumption, taxing income means taxing work. How dare anybody tax work of anybody? That's just pure serfdom and slavery. Taxing consumption is the correct thing to do to run a gov't, if indeed gov't is needed at all.
Gov't IS consumption, it's NOT production, so gov't must be supported only through the money that is used for consumption, because then it will clearly represent a fraction of the money that is diverted by the productive members of society towards consumption, it will keep the gov't in check in terms of its ability to affect society and to destroy economy by growing and reducing the competitive nature of the economy.
Gov't is not a producer, it doesn't have and cannot create wealth. It can only take wealth away. However gov't is also a luxury. It is a luxury, which is, like any other luxury, must be controlled by the willingness of the people to SPEND money.
When people control their spending, they are creating savings. Savings is the only true way to raise capital. Not borrowing, not money printing - savings.
Currently the gov'ts of the countries that are unproductive, are only exacerbating the economic woes that their societies are facing by destroying the ability of the society to raise capital.
The gov'ts do it in these ways:
1. Inflation - expanding the monetary supply.
2. Taxes - taking away money that is not even allocated for consumption.
3. Borrowing - taxing society in the future, with interest on top of that - pushing the problem to the future generations.
4. Setting 0% or near 0% interest rates.
Gov't shouldn't be doing any of these things. It shouldn't even be allowed to do any of these things. By doing these things the gov't is punishing the savers through taking away their money they worked for either directly (taxes) or indirectly (inflation + borrowing, which is also taxes and interest).
A normal household has only 2 choices to increase the purchasing power:
1. Increase income.
2. Reduce spending.
That is what people HAVE to do to get through tough times.
Gov't doesn't have anything they can qualify as income, all the money its taking in is not something gov't earned through any productive means.
So gov't has only 1 choice: reduce spending.
But it won't do that. Gov't doesn't see it even possible to reduce its spending, gov't is a system that cannot be reduced through any normal means. It's like a black hole, no matter how much you throw at it, it'll take it and than will take every single other thing you can throw at it.
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Google is doing the right thing. European Union was an interesting idea when it started, but only politically, it should never have allowed the weakest links to be in the same money as the strongest players, so Germany and Ireland or Greece are NOT in the same economic position, they shouldn't have the same currency. Switzerland has figured this out and did the right thing - stayed in Swiss Franks, so those went up by 5 times over the years and Euro is consistently going down.
Well, during the war there were plenty women in armed forces, you couldn't really tell them 'no', but she wasn't in the army, she was working like most women and children at a factory, building weapons.
I don't know about that, it's does make some sense, it allows us to use visual memory to do calculations (like when we play chess without the board). I actually can imagine an abacus, it's nearly the same as imagining hands and fingers, it's easy to use that to do binary by the way.
But in case of my grandmother, she remembered a LOT of numbers just like that, because you know, decades of experience all around numbers.
My grandmother, while she still was alive, could do these kinds of tricks in her head in a few seconds. She could multiply 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 digit numbers, divide and even take roots. All in her head. The day she finished high school the war started, so instead of becoming a teacher she was making tank gun rounds and then after the war worked as a food store clerk and then an accountant and the head accountant for a number of stores at the same time (this was the old USSR). Most of her life she was around numbers. So in the stores even until 1980s they didn't calculators or electronic machines, they used abacus. She calculated everything in her head in seconds and told the result, the buyers would not believe her and ask her to show them on the abacus, so she did. I cannot say that I ever heard her being wrong about calculations.
I believe she remembered a lot of the calcuations ahead of time, so she nearly knew the results (pre-cached the results) and then worked the small differences out. I don't have that cache of numbers, but 2 and 3 digit numbers I can do fairly quickly.
289 and 357 to me is (3570 - 357) + (35700 - 3570 * 2) + 35700 * 2. So the only difficulty here is making sure I don't screw up the subtractions, and those are just a matter of paying attention.
My suggestion is totally much more in line with the TSA thinking and extremely rational as well!
All we do is we eliminate colons. That's gonna stop most terrorists right there. In fact, it will stop all terrorists, I have never hear of a terrorist without a colon, so all terrorists have colons, so clearly, if you have a colon, you just might be a terrorist, but if you don't have one, you are free to go (to go, get it?)
here is how this technology could be used as a forensics tool
ha ha ha.
"I am a teenage girl... .... .. Allstate insurance".
Are you also a victim of watching too much MSNBC and the stupid Allstate commercials because of it?
Well, looks like the US intelligence and military actually LIKED the action, but now, that the details came out, they are too embarrassed to admit to the moments of joy they have received there.
Now they are desperately trying to replay the entire incident backwards, looking for the right positions and reenacting it for their own pleasure, but doing so through the TSA in the airports. You see, the entire TSA thing, with junk groping and the naked pictures, it's just a masqueraded way for the intelligence and the military structures to get the memories and experiences repeated over and over. Their top bras has a lot of air miles after all.
Clearly Julian Assange has committed a crime of raping the US intelligence and military, which is punishable by every means possible. He needs to be taken care of, he is clearly a sexual deviant, coercing the innocent intelligence and military structures into an uncomfortable position with him in a room in Stockholm.
sorry, cut off the previous post for some reason: ....the same in thing in 1929 as they did in 1920, the recession would have been over in 1 year in 1929, just like it was in 1920.
The difference was that in 1920 the gov't cut spending by 70%.
In 1929 they instead started printing money, doing various gov't programs....
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So by causing prices to increase all the time through regulation and anti-competitive anti-free market regulations and subsidies and laws, and at the same time causing inflation through money printing and setting interest rates at very low numbers (1% and even 0%) all of this takes away purchasing power from people.
Having a free market economy and having some kind of a monetary standard, that prevents monetary supply from being expanded (like the gold standard) causes the prices to go down.
You don't really have to be a genius to understand that when things become cheaper, people buy more, and the reverse is also true.
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Why the hostility?
Anyway, it's a very very easy thing to understand. Throughout the 19 century the prices on all manufactured goods, food, clothing, energy, tools and then later machines (like sewing machines, washing machines) housing, medical attention, prices were going down.
That's right. Do you know how the old generations of current times likes to remember how things cost LESS during their time or their parents/grandparents time?
Well, this is what the 1913 creation of the Fed caused - rise in prices through expansion of monetary supply (which is the definition of inflation).
The Fed causes inflation and causes prices to go up. Also all of the regulations and laws cause prices to go up. Subsidies cause prices to go up. Gov't loans cause prices to go up. Gov't programs cause prices to go up. Anything that gov't does causes prices to go up and choices to be reduced.
So people were able to buy more and more with the same money over the 19 century, but people were able to buy less and less with the same money after the Fed was created and especially once the federal gov't decided they are going to be active participant in everything in the economy and caused the Great Depression out of a recession (which they also caused by the way.) Had they done the same in thing in 1929 as they did in 1920, the recession would have been over in 1 year in 1929, just like it was in 1920.
However, you say how much money Patents cost the Government? It costs them nothing (well something but it's recuperated in taxes, fees, and corporate income tax) -- the real cost is societal.
- that's a fallacy. If the gov't wanted to maximize its taxes through taxing sales (but not income), they'd allow the free market to work.
Of-course most gov'ts tax income, so they prefer monopolies, so it makes sense for them to run protection rackets, which are patents etc. The monopolies make so much money on these things, that it's just easier to tax their incomes, and nobody in gov't is an economic genius that can understand that in a free market with no regulations there would be much more taxable sales activity going on.
So yes, it does cost the society in terms of higher prices and reduced choices and it costs the gov't if gov't were actually honest players and didn't try to run centralized economies.
Yeah, I am totally against this being the default setting.
I am also against income taxes, against government spending, borrowing and printing money, against government regulations and rules, I am against government in principle of-course at this point, against gov't taking my money or my body parts.
Of-course all I can do is vote with my feet - move to places with no income taxes for example, which I do. Unfortunately I still have to opt out of this program, but I did. I just don't like the masses very much.
I don't care, I looked at it and there was no obvious way to have a project for me in a familiar structure.
Do you know how I normally work? I always use ant (fuck maven), I create the build.xml and build.properties files by hand. Then I import the project into Eclipse with normal source import and it becomes a project, which can be built from Eclipse, but which I build from command line with ant build before when producing an installable package.
Eclipse shows me only what I want to see: source and package structure and file system (which I normally don't bother looking at with Eclipse browser).
That's all I want to see, I don't want to see all of those bizarre preset files, I don't want to see a 'dist' directory with a war file, I don't want to see anything called 'nbproject' with who knows what inside, I don't care, I don't want to see 'branding' directory with 'core' and 'modules', I don't want to see 'private' etc.
I don't care to find out why it creates 'master.jnlp' by itself and I am absolutely 100%, unequivocally am not interested in guessing whether it is modifying files and settings for me by itself when I do something.
I don't want an IDE to hide things from me, to do things for me that I didn't ask for.
Once it does that (and it did it, by pre-creating various shit I didn't ask for) that's it. My trust is gone. I will try it for a little while but once an hour passes by and I still don't know whether it's changing stuff on the background I am not asking for, it's done, it's gone, it's in the trash and off my desktop.
It's frustrating for you? For me what's frustrating is somebody's idea that they can do hidden things from me in my project. That's the reason I left Visual Age and JBuilder by the way, except those were requirements of the company, so I didn't have too much choice. But I wouldn't use them myself. I use Eclipse because I can actually trust it to do only what I tell it to do and nothing behind my back and nothing I didn't ask for.
I don't know why you are frustrated, it's not your problem that people find NetBeans to be something they don't want to use.
First of all you are wrong. USA had no gov't regulations throughout the 19 century, and it was that century that really improved quality of life for the world, created middle class in some countries where people were normally subsistence farmers, provided people with cheap abundant food, cheap abundant clothing, cheap abundant energy, indoor plumbing, safe food by refrigeration and canning and pasteurization, not due to any gov't regulation, it was the time that improved everybody's economic situation.
By comparison the 20 century ended on a down note unfortunately, all due to gov't printing fiat money, destroying competition, mis-allocating resources, regulating, setting price controls, wage laws, subsidies, income taxes etc.etc.etc.
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The great thing about 'my philosophy' is that it is the true market idea, it works and it will be saving the asses of societies once the gov't destroys the economies those societies are taking for granted.
The great thing about my philosophy, is that it relies on the basic economic truth: if you start your insane action, you will get a reaction. You are going to force companies to do something like this, OK, you got it. You will get reduced choices. You will get increased prices. You will get more unemployment. You will see more jobs leave and eventually, when the gov't kills the currency after it is revealed that it's broke and bankrupt, the economy will start restructuring itself because people will start saving again, but the important thing is that all of this nonsense rules and regulations will go away, because there will be NO WAY TO PAY FOR IT AT ALL.
Yes, I am welcoming the economic destruction that is going on, because it is the cleansing action that will take down your version of the world and will bring about the change needed to restart the economy again based on FREE enterprise, not government directed economy destroying centrally planned insanity that has shown itself to be so impotent and so good at destroying economies all throughout the history of this human world.
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As to my personal affairs, I am not doing business in USA, I am doing business in Asia, it is a much more welcoming place to do business, much more free in terms of economic liberties than the USA is now, much closer to what USA was supposed to be and was before 1913.
As I said, you had specific directions not to do this, you still went ahead and did it. I don't care about you being correct or not, you were hired for a specific job and you are not doing it.