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yes, thank you, Sherlock, what would I ever do without random advice from/. To think, how did I manage to have an OpenBSD box as a firewall since August and never needed to look at the log files through tcpdump? That's it, you have solved it for me.
no, I mean like ftp. FTP should have been modified as a protocol and implementation over time to be more like other well behaved protocols.
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Who is complaining? I am told here; you are not using OpenBSD when I am in fact. There are no obvious errors showing up in the log files, yes, that's my problem. And yes, I had someone look at it who is more experienced that I am in setting up OpenBSD as a firewall and it is a valid thing to do, have another pair of eyes look at it, or are you infallible and never miss something that is obvious for someone else sometimes at the first glance? Geez, to talk to you people here, you are gods.
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You are 100% wrong.
I am running OpenBSD firewall, and I have a mix behind it, Fedora machines, Win Terminal, Ubuntu and some wintels. I am not a professional admin, I am creating systems but this firewall is on me as well. I have the pf and ftp-proxy configured correctly (checked by someone who knows this by heart), still can't have the ftp working for the internal network. Gone through all configurations, docs, still don't have it working. Have to waste more time on this later, just because the users 'need' the ftp to download shit from other firm...
I don't dispute any of that, it's obviously true, but FTP should have been either abolished about 20 years ago or at least modified as a protocol standard to transition to a new more sensible implementation. So when the question arises about the reasons of switching to SFTP, well, even disregarding the 'secure' part, the protocol deficiency itself is a valid reason to switch.
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Yes, you are missing the point.
FTP is a fucking mess, I hate it, I wish I could kill it today everywhere. It is a disaster to manage with a firewall. The horrendous idea of using separate random ports for data connection vs control connections, the active/passive methods, it's is pure evil.
SFTP is not FTP over SSH if you did not understand, it is a proper FTP that happens to run over a secured link.
oh, and forgot to mention. This: searching for path between functions. - I could use that but never as it is shown in that interface, by drawing lines between methods in boxes. Never. However, give me a search like dialog, where I can specify one and other methods, and show me all the connections between the methods and we are talking something useful.
opening methods side by side? I just wish I had 200" wide screen, or maybe I don't. 'Bubbles do not overlap but push each other out of the way' - they expand. Have you seen what a map like that looks like? How about 5meters x 5 meters of space that you would need to debug a business or a system level problem? Oh yeah, you just 'pan over'. So how the hell is that different from opening separate files? I know how, opened files are obvious but something you need to move around virtual screen is not immediately obvious. Where was that file that was open? Oh yeah, 35" up and 23" left. But of-course, you can zoom the screen in and out, all you have to do is remember what all those minuscule pictures have in them there and then 'you can continue working'. You have 'miniature maps' of the entire workspace. God, how many times I had to work with tools that did this, it was never any help. The 'miniature map' is a terrible idea for text boxes, it's not apparent, like a file list, what's in any of those text boxes.
Bubbles expand as you type into them and push other bubbles out of the way. Sounds wonderful, the entire screen is jumping around as you type.
The developer's screen in the video looks like a mess and a mess at very high resolution. Minority report interface style mess.
Code 'group information is persisted automatically'. Some XML meta files are created. When working in a team, do you check these into source control? What happens when files that used to be in your 'bubble' are changed/renamed/removed by other coders in the project?
Tasks are grouped by date? Revisiting sets of bubbles by their dates, hmmm. Doesn't sound right. Will you remember to revisit some bubble set a week from now? How many bubble sets will you create in that time? Will you remember all these bubbles?
It's a nightmare, colorful, messy, visually heavy nightmare. This will probably sell well as a 'new coding paradigm' to CTOs and such.
I liked two features: 1. searching for path between functions. They promise to find the shortest path (hope they don't have to find the shortest path between functions for some projects I had to witness) and display alternative paths as well. 2. having output from 2 separate debug sessions opened at the same time. I would give that a try but most likely this will not cause any real improvement, I already manage to work without that by remembering the previous debug output or sometimes, when it's too big copying it into a file.
Looks like a solution in search for a problem that has maybe one feature that is worth looking into. Good work.
Oh, yeah, circletimessquare - the army of one. How is it going at k5, haven't been there in years.
As to the point: someone born in society he/she does not like or into society that he/she finds intolerable should be able to leave and go somewhere else. Sure, there is always possibility of fighting, but try and fight the religious right in Iran or the Saudi Arabia today, try and fight the Communist regime in China or better yet North Korea and you'll quickly find out how your life will end: swiftly and violently. Not everyone is interested. Looks like the US just maybe something like North Korea, only instead of one dictator you have a dictatorship shared between corporations and politicians the corporations set up to rule you. Instead of a firing squad you just may end up in Gitmo (how is that Obak Rabama's promise on closing that place down working for you?)
3. Needed a job done, found a person who was looking for one and paid him an amount that both agreed to. Capitalism, pure and simple. If only governments and large corporations could understand this.
at least something that BellTV got right. I developed an app for them, that detects if there are 3 or more service assurance calls from the same building within 24 hour period (those are sat dishes, so one dish can be used for an entire building) and marks it as a potential outage for the entire building, then they look at resolving it differently.
Seriously, you'd deny a dying person some care even though they do have insurance or money to pay for it? Why don't you instead go after the politicians and the bankers that just stole 2 trillion from the people of your country and use that money instead?
Ah, so you are the socialist death paneler then? Sarah Palin knows all about you.
(but she misses something similar about the private insurance, who also do this kind of 'counseling', except that it's a bit different in that it tries hard not to pay out on the insurance that they were collecting payment on).
care for people, fall in love, contribute to the cultural and political life of society, write open source software, complete volunteer work and provide social engagement for others
- I can have a script for that ready by the next week.
I see yours and I raise you my anecdote. I am actually in Germany, Baden Baden right now, lived here for a few months, came from Toronto. We live on sort of a mountain here though, and it's a nice place and all, but I cannot get anything except one single DSL provider, don't want to mention their name, but they are THE telecom in this country. Can't get cable, satellite would still only allow me the downstream. I got mobile actually, but again, where we are it doesn't work well, it works better downtown.
I don't know, maybe it's Baden, but it feels like I am back in 1995 on a dialup. Download is better than upload, it could reach 120KB, but upload is crazy, takes almost 5 minutes to upload a meg.
Now back in Toronto I was on cable, that was so much better, however they have their own problems, try doing any P2P and they throttle your ass down and there are monthly limits that hit unexpectedly.
Yes, well, that saying is a sarcastic remark, it is not intended to be followed, it is intended to ridicule such actions of brute force without attempting to use some intelligence first.
But all the while a lot of people, mostly us geeks, cannot grasp that immaterial products and content also costs to create and takes just the same manhours.
- what about 'woman-hours'? Those are about 1.5 times longer than man-hours are and you are deliberately neglecting this in your comment!
I gave up on existing frameworks for quite some time now, and since I am lazy but have to write lots and lots of code, I started creating my own tool sets to generate CRUD structures, value objects and now also front end code. It's a pain in the ass to do it, but I force myself doing it that way rather than just doing the same old thing over and over again. Finally I have developed a set of tools that I use on every project to do the same things that I would have ended up doing by hand anyway and my speed of production output grew by some ridiculous amount, I can't even comprehend, but I can say, that one of the projects I created generation tools that produced code that replaced a system with completely generated code that 3 other people were writing by hand for about 5 months. To produce the generation tools took about 8 days. The generators run everything in about 3 minutes. If I can help it I don't write code anymore, I write code that writes code.
Tried packaging these tools into some nice form to allow others to use them, but it is difficult, it has been much easier to use these tools by myself and be very productive but it proves very hard to make the tools look and feel nice for other people. Maintaining a Free version of these tools would be a huge challenge, I know how difficult it is to maintain Free anything, there would be more and more requests for features and nobody would ever be completely satisfied, it would take an enormous effort. I think that maybe a reason that there are no great generator tools out there that are easy to use and at the same time produce good code.
#SSH pass in inet proto tcp from any to $ext_if port ssh pass out inet proto tcp from any to $ext_if port ssh pass quick proto tcp from any to $ext_if port ssh \
flags S/SA keep state \
(max-src-conn 15, max-src-conn-rate 5/3, \
overload <bruteforce> flush global)
You are not going to get a 1000 libertarians, only this one.
It's simple, if the society in Finland really does not see a problem with paying people to educate themselves, as long as the society actually gets a measurable benefit that covers the initial cost of education, then it can be considered an investment for that society.
An investment is a smart thing if it creates productivity and brings in wealth. However, what works for Finland would not translate to other countries, maybe it could but most likely it will not, as you pointed out, Finland had a number of special circumstances and I am certain that the kind of education that is preferred in Finland and not shunned upon is very technical and not all humanities and social work.
What you have in the US has nothing to do with such investment, so you cannot compare, it has nothing to do with creating wealth, it has to do with the fact that US citizens are not really expected to create any kind of real wealth anymore, they are consumers, and those with more access to the government dole are more valuable consumers, like the bankers or farmers of corn for example. They are on the government dole, they are very important because they can consume more and more importantly they are connected with the government in much tighter ways than your average public school attendee.
Real libertarians at this point have a huge problem with the political system that puts so many bankers on the dole, never mind the failed school systems.
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yes, thank you, Sherlock, what would I ever do without random advice from /. To think, how did I manage to have an OpenBSD box as a firewall since August and never needed to look at the log files through tcpdump? That's it, you have solved it for me.
no, I mean like ftp. FTP should have been modified as a protocol and implementation over time to be more like other well behaved protocols.
Who is complaining? I am told here; you are not using OpenBSD when I am in fact. There are no obvious errors showing up in the log files, yes, that's my problem. And yes, I had someone look at it who is more experienced that I am in setting up OpenBSD as a firewall and it is a valid thing to do, have another pair of eyes look at it, or are you infallible and never miss something that is obvious for someone else sometimes at the first glance? Geez, to talk to you people here, you are gods.
You are 100% wrong.
I am running OpenBSD firewall, and I have a mix behind it, Fedora machines, Win Terminal, Ubuntu and some wintels. I am not a professional admin, I am creating systems but this firewall is on me as well. I have the pf and ftp-proxy configured correctly (checked by someone who knows this by heart), still can't have the ftp working for the internal network. Gone through all configurations, docs, still don't have it working. Have to waste more time on this later, just because the users 'need' the ftp to download shit from other firm...
I don't dispute any of that, it's obviously true, but FTP should have been either abolished about 20 years ago or at least modified as a protocol standard to transition to a new more sensible implementation. So when the question arises about the reasons of switching to SFTP, well, even disregarding the 'secure' part, the protocol deficiency itself is a valid reason to switch.
Yes, you are missing the point.
FTP is a fucking mess, I hate it, I wish I could kill it today everywhere. It is a disaster to manage with a firewall. The horrendous idea of using separate random ports for data connection vs control connections, the active/passive methods, it's is pure evil.
SFTP is not FTP over SSH if you did not understand, it is a proper FTP that happens to run over a secured link.
oh, and forgot to mention. This: searching for path between functions. - I could use that but never as it is shown in that interface, by drawing lines between methods in boxes. Never. However, give me a search like dialog, where I can specify one and other methods, and show me all the connections between the methods and we are talking something useful.
opening methods side by side? I just wish I had 200" wide screen, or maybe I don't. 'Bubbles do not overlap but push each other out of the way' - they expand. Have you seen what a map like that looks like? How about 5meters x 5 meters of space that you would need to debug a business or a system level problem? Oh yeah, you just 'pan over'. So how the hell is that different from opening separate files? I know how, opened files are obvious but something you need to move around virtual screen is not immediately obvious. Where was that file that was open? Oh yeah, 35" up and 23" left. But of-course, you can zoom the screen in and out, all you have to do is remember what all those minuscule pictures have in them there and then 'you can continue working'. You have 'miniature maps' of the entire workspace. God, how many times I had to work with tools that did this, it was never any help. The 'miniature map' is a terrible idea for text boxes, it's not apparent, like a file list, what's in any of those text boxes.
Bubbles expand as you type into them and push other bubbles out of the way. Sounds wonderful, the entire screen is jumping around as you type.
The developer's screen in the video looks like a mess and a mess at very high resolution. Minority report interface style mess.
Code 'group information is persisted automatically'. Some XML meta files are created. When working in a team, do you check these into source control? What happens when files that used to be in your 'bubble' are changed/renamed/removed by other coders in the project?
Tasks are grouped by date? Revisiting sets of bubbles by their dates, hmmm. Doesn't sound right. Will you remember to revisit some bubble set a week from now? How many bubble sets will you create in that time? Will you remember all these bubbles?
It's a nightmare, colorful, messy, visually heavy nightmare. This will probably sell well as a 'new coding paradigm' to CTOs and such.
I liked two features: 1. searching for path between functions. They promise to find the shortest path (hope they don't have to find the shortest path between functions for some projects I had to witness) and display alternative paths as well. 2. having output from 2 separate debug sessions opened at the same time. I would give that a try but most likely this will not cause any real improvement, I already manage to work without that by remembering the previous debug output or sometimes, when it's too big copying it into a file.
Looks like a solution in search for a problem that has maybe one feature that is worth looking into. Good work.
Oh, yeah, circletimessquare - the army of one. How is it going at k5, haven't been there in years.
As to the point: someone born in society he/she does not like or into society that he/she finds intolerable should be able to leave and go somewhere else. Sure, there is always possibility of fighting, but try and fight the religious right in Iran or the Saudi Arabia today, try and fight the Communist regime in China or better yet North Korea and you'll quickly find out how your life will end: swiftly and violently. Not everyone is interested. Looks like the US just maybe something like North Korea, only instead of one dictator you have a dictatorship shared between corporations and politicians the corporations set up to rule you. Instead of a firing squad you just may end up in Gitmo (how is that Obak Rabama's promise on closing that place down working for you?)
3. Needed a job done, found a person who was looking for one and paid him an amount that both agreed to. Capitalism, pure and simple. If only governments and large corporations could understand this.
the only problem with them is that they are hard to defrag and pretty much impossible to securely delete even for a file system expert.
she is Russian, ain't she?
For some reason I read it 'like a chimp' at first... then I thought that would be very strange for a chimp, then I got it.
at least something that BellTV got right. I developed an app for them, that detects if there are 3 or more service assurance calls from the same building within 24 hour period (those are sat dishes, so one dish can be used for an entire building) and marks it as a potential outage for the entire building, then they look at resolving it differently.
sorry, I meant to say those politicians and bankers that stole 2 trillion just in the past 18 months.
Seriously, you'd deny a dying person some care even though they do have insurance or money to pay for it? Why don't you instead go after the politicians and the bankers that just stole 2 trillion from the people of your country and use that money instead?
Ah, so you are the socialist death paneler then? Sarah Palin knows all about you.
(but she misses something similar about the private insurance, who also do this kind of 'counseling', except that it's a bit different in that it tries hard not to pay out on the insurance that they were collecting payment on).
care for people, fall in love, contribute to the cultural and political life of society, write open source software, complete volunteer work and provide social engagement for others
- I can have a script for that ready by the next week.
I see yours and I raise you my anecdote. I am actually in Germany, Baden Baden right now, lived here for a few months, came from Toronto. We live on sort of a mountain here though, and it's a nice place and all, but I cannot get anything except one single DSL provider, don't want to mention their name, but they are THE telecom in this country. Can't get cable, satellite would still only allow me the downstream. I got mobile actually, but again, where we are it doesn't work well, it works better downtown.
I don't know, maybe it's Baden, but it feels like I am back in 1995 on a dialup. Download is better than upload, it could reach 120KB, but upload is crazy, takes almost 5 minutes to upload a meg.
Now back in Toronto I was on cable, that was so much better, however they have their own problems, try doing any P2P and they throttle your ass down and there are monthly limits that hit unexpectedly.
Yes, well, that saying is a sarcastic remark, it is not intended to be followed, it is intended to ridicule such actions of brute force without attempting to use some intelligence first.
But all the while a lot of people, mostly us geeks, cannot grasp that immaterial products and content also costs to create and takes just the same manhours.
- what about 'woman-hours'? Those are about 1.5 times longer than man-hours are and you are deliberately neglecting this in your comment!
"If you have strength, you don't need brains" (or you don't need intelligence).
Ripping out a 90Kg ATM and carrying it away on his shoulders? Well, this guy sure has the strength.
I gave up on existing frameworks for quite some time now, and since I am lazy but have to write lots and lots of code, I started creating my own tool sets to generate CRUD structures, value objects and now also front end code. It's a pain in the ass to do it, but I force myself doing it that way rather than just doing the same old thing over and over again. Finally I have developed a set of tools that I use on every project to do the same things that I would have ended up doing by hand anyway and my speed of production output grew by some ridiculous amount, I can't even comprehend, but I can say, that one of the projects I created generation tools that produced code that replaced a system with completely generated code that 3 other people were writing by hand for about 5 months. To produce the generation tools took about 8 days. The generators run everything in about 3 minutes. If I can help it I don't write code anymore, I write code that writes code.
Tried packaging these tools into some nice form to allow others to use them, but it is difficult, it has been much easier to use these tools by myself and be very productive but it proves very hard to make the tools look and feel nice for other people. Maintaining a Free version of these tools would be a huge challenge, I know how difficult it is to maintain Free anything, there would be more and more requests for features and nobody would ever be completely satisfied, it would take an enormous effort. I think that maybe a reason that there are no great generator tools out there that are easy to use and at the same time produce good code.
you know what I am saying?
You are not going to get a 1000 libertarians, only this one.
It's simple, if the society in Finland really does not see a problem with paying people to educate themselves, as long as the society actually gets a measurable benefit that covers the initial cost of education, then it can be considered an investment for that society.
An investment is a smart thing if it creates productivity and brings in wealth. However, what works for Finland would not translate to other countries, maybe it could but most likely it will not, as you pointed out, Finland had a number of special circumstances and I am certain that the kind of education that is preferred in Finland and not shunned upon is very technical and not all humanities and social work.
What you have in the US has nothing to do with such investment, so you cannot compare, it has nothing to do with creating wealth, it has to do with the fact that US citizens are not really expected to create any kind of real wealth anymore, they are consumers, and those with more access to the government dole are more valuable consumers, like the bankers or farmers of corn for example. They are on the government dole, they are very important because they can consume more and more importantly they are connected with the government in much tighter ways than your average public school attendee.
Real libertarians at this point have a huge problem with the political system that puts so many bankers on the dole, never mind the failed school systems.