No government is required to settle individual disputes, people invented courts for such thing around the world that can operate without any government structure. This is also true for criminal courts, no government authority is needed for that.
The rights of all ensure the right of individuals to not be oppressed for profiting.
Before any further discussion, realize that rights are protections against government oppression and nothing more. The concept of a right only makes sense as a protection against government oppression, that's because a government is a structure, not an individual or another form of organization. An individual or a private organization infringing on an individual life, freedom or property can be dealt with via a criminal court (again, no government required). A government however cannot ever be punished through any criminal court, no government official will be blamed personally and there is no way to dissolve a government simply because it infringes on individual life, freedom and property.
Because there is no way to punish a government, if a government is allowed to exist at all it should be forced to abide by the rules that prevent oppression, those are individual rights: protections against government oppression.
A right of an individual not to be oppressed by a government must not be infringed, if it is, if a government takes away individual life, freedom or property it has to be done only within very strict limits authorised to the government. Of-course that is how USA started (supposedly) but very quickly that idea degenerated and individual rights are routinely abused by government structures and officials.
A government is not only antagonistic to individual freedom, a government is inherently antithetical to individual freedom, which is why government structures degenerate into oppressive even if initially set up as protective of individual freedoms. That happens because politicians cater to mob (majority of voters) desires for free stuff, which implies abuse of rights of (always) a minority of voters.
Vast majority of people (the mob) are not really interested in ensuring that their government does not oppress rights of individuals, they are only interested in their own specific benefit and class warfare shows that their interest goes beyond simple desire for free stuff, many (collectivists: socialists/fascists/communists/Marxists) are specifically interested in removing individual rights of those, who manage to be better off than they are under any circumstances.
Collectivism (socialism / fascism / communism / Marxism) and individual rights are incompatible in nature, governments tend to be collectivist if they are not specifically dictatorial.
USA is a joke, not the world's largest manufacturer. WTF does USA manufacture? You should try and come up with examples beyond Boeing, Caterpillar and what? Bombs?
Dollar is going down, not up and the fact that the Chinese decoupled from USD as I mentioned a number of times is a great indicator that they will no longer prop up the US dollar and debt. There is nowhere for the USD to go but down, the entire USD bubble was predicated on a false expectation of the Fed raising interest rates, which they will not do, instead they will come out with QE4 and later QE5 and all the way into QE infinity until there is no more dollar.
The only thing that will stop this bleeding will be a dollar/bond collapse that will prevent USA from borrowing further. At that point it's either hyperinflation or back to sound money. As far as Euro concerned, it is going to beat USD in the coming months.
Chinese economy is becoming more and more free, this unpegging from the USD proves it. So called 'communist' China is now enjoying a much more free market capitalist economy than the so called 'capitalist' America. I understand economics much better when I am unconscious than when you use 100% of your little pathetic brain.
Sure, so where is the scientific method in comsci? Math proofs? They are self contained based on closed rule sets, they are supposed to be consistent within themselves but they do not measure anything, nor do they necessarily have anything to do with observable phenomena. Formal science, OK, but not just science, or STEM would be known as STE.
And I said comsci is technology,math, maybe engineering but hardly science. Mathematical proves of big O and the rest of algorithms and data structures is not a study of natural phenomena and the experiments supporting theoretical run times are not discoveries of natural phenomena, they are more reflective of the engineering effort that goes into construction of the computers that execute the theory.
It is Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics, I think comsci qualifies for the last three but not for the first one and I have a comsci degree.
The economy is dragged down by the bailouts, bailouts are always the wrong thing to do if you are looking for a sound economy in the long run and not for a repeat of the same problem down the road only bigger and worse.
Propping up our currency did not prop up our economy. It shit on our production/manufacturing while keeping Chinese goods cheap.
- propping up USA currency provided USA with a way to buy cheap Chinese produced goods. No, it did not prop up your economy, it propped up your consumption and it destroyed your economy. However the Chinese did not do this in vacuum, USA got off the gold dollar (defaulted on the gold dollar in 1971) because it was printing so many dollars for decades prior to 1971 and it could not pay in gold for its past spending.
USA destroyed its economy by destroying its currency. At the point of currency default (1971) the expansion of the money supply was set in stone. That is what destroyed USA economy. Common sense is not that common. Once USA destroyed its own currency, manufacturing was going to leave one way or another, since no real savings can exist in that environment.
China gave you plenty of rope to hang yourself with, you took the rope, wrapped it around your neck and kicked the chair of sound money from underneath yourself. The rope was Chinese, but you put it onto your own neck and kicked the chair out yourself.
The only lunatic here is you, government of USSR was the only legal owner of all businesses in that country. Do you want to compare records of what a government can do to environment relative to what businesses do absent government?
Chernobyl was not a free market capitalist enterprise.
- like I said, common sense is not that common. Obviously the Chinese currency peg was not meant to help the USA economy, but it did have the effect of propping up the USA economy by forcing the Chinese central bank to print the Yuan to buy the USA paper (bills, bonds, dollars) to keep the peg going.
Printing dollars like mad was the only response available.
- common sense is not that common. USA printing dollars has nothing to do with the Chinese, it started with the invention of the Federal reserve bank and the act of 1917, allowing the Fed to monetise USA Treasury debt. USA has been printing dollars for near a 100 years now, causing the depression that was resolved in 1921, causing the 1925-1929 bubble that led to the bubble bursting, causing the Great Depression that was the result of government propping up the economy after the bubble collapse, causing the 1971 default on the gold dollar, etc.
The Yuan strengthening is the correct market mechanism to bring trade into balance.
- The strength of Yuan will no longer depend on the weakness of the US dollar, now that the peg is removed.
Go back and re-read 'Wealth of Nations'.
- ha, get some common sense before telling others what to do.
100% Especially given that in order to get those prizes a person has to present complete lack of common sense and total misunderstanding of economic principles that guide markets but instead they have to prop up government ideas on how to run the world.
Federal reserve bank is a great example of complete lack of sound economic principles by the government and pseudo-government agencies like that one. Will they raise interest rates after 7 years of 0-0.25 rate range, will they not, will they decide at the last moment....
The reality is that 7 years of 0% interest rates have put the USA economy onto a stimulus that cannot be removed. The entire USA economy now depends on 0 (and even sub-0) rates of interest provided by the Fed, which would never be possible on sound money (gold). Nobody would lend you gold for nothing, however printed (electronically generated) money for nothing is no problem for governments.
Treasury is supposed to have treasure in it even to be called treasury, what if instead it has no treasure and only debt? Shouldn't it be called Debtory?
Debt ceiling that the Congress votes on.... what a joke! To believe that raising the real debt ceiling is up to Congress as opposed to the buyers of Treasuries is nonsense. To believe that getting another extension of limit on the credit card is 'paying our debts' is nonsense. Yet millions of people live by this nonsense... as long as they can until they can no more, because the real creditors (those who manufacture stuff and give it to you for your fake money and fake IOUs) keep propping you up... until they no longer do. China decoupled from the USD, as the USD was in the bubble, now as the USD will go down, Chinese Yuan will go up instead, China will not be there to save US dollar and will not buy US debt, it's selling it already.
Economics is not science, it is a set of rules that are very simple and that work over long and short time periods, but they do not fail to work.
Get rid of your manufacturing and you will lose your economy. Get away from real money and you will lose your manufacturing. Promise something for nothing and get elected that way and you will end up getting away from real money. It's not a secret in any way, it's very much common sense, it's just common sense is not that common.
So, government would have no say in the business realm?
- correct. Nor in money.
Picking winners and losers, I would agree, but to say government has no authority is anarchy.
- no, it's freedom, you can say freedom is anarchy and I have no problem with that, why do you?
And politics is not automatically about stealing people's money.
- it is. It is automatically about stealing some people's money tu pay for something that those people would not give money to on their own in the same way.
Politics are increasingly being used to create a divide, but not for the reasons you state.
- politics is always about creating a divide. Try and find politics that are not creating divide, that type of politics does not exist. Politics is about taking from some and promising others something for it, it's always about creating a divide.
The wealthy are the divide creators, and that in service of maintaining and advancing their wealth.
- actually AFAIC the wealthy in a free market capitalist economy reduce the divide by building businesses that make your money go further and reducing the divide. The divide is created by the politics of greed and promise of free stuff and promise of theft from those who have more to provide the loot to those who don't have as much regardless of how the wealth is generated.
A, money should not equal speech.
- it is speech. It is political speech first of all, money is the speech of the politicians who offer to steal and offer something for nothing to those, who would give them the political power. Once that it is the case, those with money will try to protect themselves from those, who want to steal from them, and those with money will use money to buy more votes, to buy more speech. De facto money is speech, always was, always will be, not because of any court rulings, because of what the world is.
B, those who make more money are the ones benefiting from our legal system. They have more to protect, use more services, etc.
Paying more seems fair to me.
- you mean those with more means should expect to pay more disproportionately so that those with fewer means will not mob together to steal from them?
You think this is also 'fair'? Well, it's realistic that those with more to protect will spend more to protect it. What you are doing though, you are equating disproportionate (so called 'progressive') taxation with 'justice'. The interesting thing is that you seem to have convinced yourself on this subject enough not to see the immorality of that stance.
C, taking the government budget, dividing by the number of citizens and expecting each to pay that amount? really?
- first of all that is Constitutional (capitation tax), secondly that is not even the subject I am bringing up. I am talking about the immoral nature of marginal income and wealth taxes, not absence of truly Constitutional taxation principles.
Could that work? Why would you expect that? This fails on practicability as well as on fairness.
- 'fairness' can never be achieved in the eyes of those, who want to steal more from those who have more. As long as somebody has much more than you do, you will always say it is unfair to tax you and not them, even though objectively are completely outpaying you in the size of taxes they are paying in every way, in absolute amounts, percentage wise, in everything.
Pure and simple. Might as well go back to Warlords and Kings
- Strawman argument. how about going back to Constitutional taxation, capitation and excise taxes? Seems impossible to you? That's how US of A was built before 1913 in the first place
The tax system is broken alright, there shouldn't be any income and wealth taxes in the first place for governments to steal from individuals and from their companies, but in this case the politicians are upset that instead of keeping revenues in the bank and then being forced by the politicians to provide them with the bribes for various other loopholes, the company in question simply paid out most of its revenues as individual salaries and bonuses so that there was no money left to tax at corporate level at all.
Must suck to be a politician who cannot force a company to give him bribes because all the money went to individual employees. Must suck being a politician, who now cannot simply rally up those very employees into 'make the rich pay more', 'corporations are evil, make them pay more', since those employees can see what they are really paying in taxes. Must suck not to be able to tax corporate profits once, so that later they could be taxed again when they are paid out as dividends or salaries or capital gains or whatever.
Loopholes are constructed by government that knows it taxes too much and can come for a handout to a company while threatening to use the entire tax code against it if it doesn't pay up some bribes for elections and such.
If your goal is to get money out of politics, you have to get politics out of money, which is... good luck with that. My point is that the entire notion that you can remove money from politics, when the fact is that politics is all about stealing some people's money by using power that is provided to the governments by the mob, who want that theft to happen, shows that people who want to see money out of politics without addressing the larger issue of government oppression of the individual is dishonest.
Politics are used to create the divide between those, who make more money and those who make less. Politics are used to create the notion of so called 'just society' based on disproportionate taxation of those, who are in a complete minority of-course by their very definition. To tax in a disproportionate manner while expecting the votes to have equal power is disingenuous.
Taxes are created by the governments to steal money from those, who have money, tax loopholes are then provided to those, who are willing to subsidise specific politicians. Get rid of income and wealth related taxes and then you may have your equal voting, but you will not have equal individual voting power with disproportionate taxation of individuals.
I suggest trying more freedom, not less to allow people to build their own businesses and to be hired by more businesses. To have more businesses there has to be more savings in the system which allows for real investments. What we have today is no savings, huge debt, no way for new businesses to get access to meager savings to attempt building themselves up. We have fake money created on the whim by pseudo government banks, we have fake interest rates, preventing and discouraging savings. We have income and wealth taxes that prevent and reduce savings and prevent business formation. We have government licensing laws that prevent free market capitalism and instead try to maintain a command economy with its monopolies in so many sectors, including utilities, transportation, insurance, health care, education, energy, food, you name it.
What people need is a free market economy - economy free from oppression of the mob itself through impossible to deliver promises of the politicians.
We need freedom more than anything else, otherwise there will be ghettoes and unstoppable crime. For most of human existence we have had oppression, how about freedom for a change?
It is not only about supply but also about distribution. Air is free as long as you don't need to bring it somewhere, like under water or into space with you, when all of a sudden air is very expensive.
Food is cheap at the source but more expensive when distributed to people everywhere they live and want it.
Sex with beautiful girls is free (after the first time and before whatever consequences) but you have to be able to access them and they are also not evenly distributed, nor are they for everybody, they have to like you first somehow.
For somebody to deliver you anything in any meaningful quantities and on time it would take some amount of effort, why be in distribution business if it does not give you something back? It is not a nice way to spend time, it is work, work has to pay something, otherwise there is no reason to do it for others. That is why communism is nonsense.
Justice cannot be based on theft,on coercion, on violence, including violence of the state against individuals because the mob wants more of what it did not earn.
What helps the middle class and the poor is more business, more economic freedoms, free market capitalism is the best system of wealth dissemination not based on violence, theft and coercion. The average mob representative will never be able to see it,will vote for politicians promising welfare based on theft and will get the government that will eventually destroy the economyand society under the banner of so called 'just society' , which is nothing more than desire for state control of individuals, state based slavery.
If we assume for a femtosecond that this actually happens and content is produced by robots, then what happens to the copyright on that content? The government provides monopoly on copyright for how long, the life of the writer plus 50 or 70 years or some such... what happens if the writer is a machine?
They are talking about business documents, whatever, but what if a machine produces fiction for example?
My position is of-course that government must not be in any form of business, including business of providing monopolies to people for any reason.
There shouldn't be such a thing as 'strong social system' and 'redistribution of wealth'. Theft, theft, theft, a trillion times theft. I am against any and all forms of violent redistribution of anybody's wealth for the benefit of anybody whatsoever. Hopefully we will witness complete collapse of all socialist systems and institutions and observe true free market capitalism in action. Social and economic Darwinism, that is what I want to see and complete removal of all forms of violent coercion by governments on behalf of the mob. All income and wealth taxes must stop. All business regulations must stop. All government control of money, interest rates must stop. Economic freedom!!!
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China is getting rid of the foreign reserves at some speed after it decoupled itself from the USD a month and a half ago as I mentioned more than once here. China is now on the path of rejecting the inflation that is imposed by the USA Federal reserve, Treasury (should be called Debtory instead, it has no treasure, only debt) and the rest of the USA government.
Chinese economy is the strongest economy in the world today, manufacturing and producing enough to satisfy the global demand and with this decoupling from the crippled US dollar, the Chinese Yuan will be going up as the USD bubble will burst.
Chinese are doing the correct thing by getting rid of the USD and US bond 'reserves' (worthless paper IOUs, the both of them). China also is underhandedly growing its gold reserves, not as much as they should, but they are growing them at least.
USD bubble is coming to an end, Chinese see it better from far away apparently than the Americans right in the middle of it.
Politicians, who are government pass laws that put people into prisons. 'Privatezed Prisons' in USA are not actually private, otherwise there would be no government money in it. I am all for private prisons, private criminal system, I am against government money involved in any of it.
Koch Brothers? The people who are paying the taxes that the mob lives off of.
You are confused as to what a government is. A government has the 'legal authority' to steal from me, to kidnap me and to murder me. No corporation has the legal authority to do that. A government uses mob power that it buys with promises to the mob at the expense of the people who are actually paying for all these promises. A government is a system that I will never see as anything but an evil collective whose purpose is to steal from me and if I try to protect myself from it then to kidnap me and maybe murder me.
A corporation does not have legitimate power to steal, kidnap and murder, unless corporations get that type of power, they are not governments. As to TPP making the power of corporations stronger, there are some issues with it and I voiced them in my original response to your question 'has anybody seen someone in favour of TPP'. I answered your question (got moderated down as always for saying anything on this site) but there it is.
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No government is required to settle individual disputes, people invented courts for such thing around the world that can operate without any government structure. This is also true for criminal courts, no government authority is needed for that.
The rights of all ensure the right of individuals to not be oppressed for profiting.
Before any further discussion, realize that rights are protections against government oppression and nothing more. The concept of a right only makes sense as a protection against government oppression, that's because a government is a structure, not an individual or another form of organization. An individual or a private organization infringing on an individual life, freedom or property can be dealt with via a criminal court (again, no government required). A government however cannot ever be punished through any criminal court, no government official will be blamed personally and there is no way to dissolve a government simply because it infringes on individual life, freedom and property.
Because there is no way to punish a government, if a government is allowed to exist at all it should be forced to abide by the rules that prevent oppression, those are individual rights: protections against government oppression.
A right of an individual not to be oppressed by a government must not be infringed, if it is, if a government takes away individual life, freedom or property it has to be done only within very strict limits authorised to the government. Of-course that is how USA started (supposedly) but very quickly that idea degenerated and individual rights are routinely abused by government structures and officials.
A government is not only antagonistic to individual freedom, a government is inherently antithetical to individual freedom, which is why government structures degenerate into oppressive even if initially set up as protective of individual freedoms. That happens because politicians cater to mob (majority of voters) desires for free stuff, which implies abuse of rights of (always) a minority of voters.
Vast majority of people (the mob) are not really interested in ensuring that their government does not oppress rights of individuals, they are only interested in their own specific benefit and class warfare shows that their interest goes beyond simple desire for free stuff, many (collectivists: socialists/fascists/communists/Marxists) are specifically interested in removing individual rights of those, who manage to be better off than they are under any circumstances.
Collectivism (socialism / fascism / communism / Marxism) and individual rights are incompatible in nature, governments tend to be collectivist if they are not specifically dictatorial.
USA is a joke, not the world's largest manufacturer. WTF does USA manufacture? You should try and come up with examples beyond Boeing, Caterpillar and what? Bombs?
Dollar is going down, not up and the fact that the Chinese decoupled from USD as I mentioned a number of times is a great indicator that they will no longer prop up the US dollar and debt. There is nowhere for the USD to go but down, the entire USD bubble was predicated on a false expectation of the Fed raising interest rates, which they will not do, instead they will come out with QE4 and later QE5 and all the way into QE infinity until there is no more dollar.
The only thing that will stop this bleeding will be a dollar/bond collapse that will prevent USA from borrowing further. At that point it's either hyperinflation or back to sound money. As far as Euro concerned, it is going to beat USD in the coming months.
Chinese economy is becoming more and more free, this unpegging from the USD proves it. So called 'communist' China is now enjoying a much more free market capitalist economy than the so called 'capitalist' America. I understand economics much better when I am unconscious than when you use 100% of your little pathetic brain.
If Bild doesn't find a way to pay for its expenses it will shut down anyway. So will other sites. Ads or sales or shut down.
Sure, so where is the scientific method in comsci? Math proofs? They are self contained based on closed rule sets, they are supposed to be consistent within themselves but they do not measure anything, nor do they necessarily have anything to do with observable phenomena. Formal science, OK, but not just science, or STEM would be known as STE.
So STEM should be known as STE but it is STEM.
And I said comsci is technology,math, maybe engineering but hardly science. Mathematical proves of big O and the rest of algorithms and data structures is not a study of natural phenomena and the experiments supporting theoretical run times are not discoveries of natural phenomena, they are more reflective of the engineering effort that goes into construction of the computers that execute the theory.
It is Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics, I think comsci qualifies for the last three but not for the first one and I have a comsci degree.
The economy is dragged down by the bailouts, bailouts are always the wrong thing to do if you are looking for a sound economy in the long run and not for a repeat of the same problem down the road only bigger and worse.
Propping up our currency did not prop up our economy. It shit on our production/manufacturing while keeping Chinese goods cheap.
- propping up USA currency provided USA with a way to buy cheap Chinese produced goods. No, it did not prop up your economy, it propped up your consumption and it destroyed your economy. However the Chinese did not do this in vacuum, USA got off the gold dollar (defaulted on the gold dollar in 1971) because it was printing so many dollars for decades prior to 1971 and it could not pay in gold for its past spending.
USA destroyed its economy by destroying its currency. At the point of currency default (1971) the expansion of the money supply was set in stone. That is what destroyed USA economy. Common sense is not that common. Once USA destroyed its own currency, manufacturing was going to leave one way or another, since no real savings can exist in that environment.
China gave you plenty of rope to hang yourself with, you took the rope, wrapped it around your neck and kicked the chair of sound money from underneath yourself. The rope was Chinese, but you put it onto your own neck and kicked the chair out yourself.
The only lunatic here is you, government of USSR was the only legal owner of all businesses in that country. Do you want to compare records of what a government can do to environment relative to what businesses do absent government?
Chernobyl was not a free market capitalist enterprise.
The Chinese currency peg wasn't to help us.
- like I said, common sense is not that common. Obviously the Chinese currency peg was not meant to help the USA economy, but it did have the effect of propping up the USA economy by forcing the Chinese central bank to print the Yuan to buy the USA paper (bills, bonds, dollars) to keep the peg going.
Printing dollars like mad was the only response available.
- common sense is not that common. USA printing dollars has nothing to do with the Chinese, it started with the invention of the Federal reserve bank and the act of 1917, allowing the Fed to monetise USA Treasury debt. USA has been printing dollars for near a 100 years now, causing the depression that was resolved in 1921, causing the 1925-1929 bubble that led to the bubble bursting, causing the Great Depression that was the result of government propping up the economy after the bubble collapse, causing the 1971 default on the gold dollar, etc.
The Yuan strengthening is the correct market mechanism to bring trade into balance.
- The strength of Yuan will no longer depend on the weakness of the US dollar, now that the peg is removed.
Go back and re-read 'Wealth of Nations'.
- ha, get some common sense before telling others what to do.
Maybe it is time to retire that particular prize.
100% Especially given that in order to get those prizes a person has to present complete lack of common sense and total misunderstanding of economic principles that guide markets but instead they have to prop up government ideas on how to run the world.
Federal reserve bank is a great example of complete lack of sound economic principles by the government and pseudo-government agencies like that one. Will they raise interest rates after 7 years of 0-0.25 rate range, will they not, will they decide at the last moment....
The reality is that 7 years of 0% interest rates have put the USA economy onto a stimulus that cannot be removed. The entire USA economy now depends on 0 (and even sub-0) rates of interest provided by the Fed, which would never be possible on sound money (gold). Nobody would lend you gold for nothing, however printed (electronically generated) money for nothing is no problem for governments.
Treasury is supposed to have treasure in it even to be called treasury, what if instead it has no treasure and only debt? Shouldn't it be called Debtory?
Debt ceiling that the Congress votes on.... what a joke! To believe that raising the real debt ceiling is up to Congress as opposed to the buyers of Treasuries is nonsense. To believe that getting another extension of limit on the credit card is 'paying our debts' is nonsense. Yet millions of people live by this nonsense ... as long as they can until they can no more, because the real creditors (those who manufacture stuff and give it to you for your fake money and fake IOUs) keep propping you up ... until they no longer do. China decoupled from the USD, as the USD was in the bubble, now as the USD will go down, Chinese Yuan will go up instead, China will not be there to save US dollar and will not buy US debt, it's selling it already.
There are people who understand economics and then there are hacks (like Krugman) who understand which way the bread is buttered.
Economics is not science, it is a set of rules that are very simple and that work over long and short time periods, but they do not fail to work.
Get rid of your manufacturing and you will lose your economy. Get away from real money and you will lose your manufacturing. Promise something for nothing and get elected that way and you will end up getting away from real money. It's not a secret in any way, it's very much common sense, it's just common sense is not that common.
So, government would have no say in the business realm?
- correct. Nor in money.
Picking winners and losers, I would agree, but to say government has no authority is anarchy.
- no, it's freedom, you can say freedom is anarchy and I have no problem with that, why do you?
And politics is not automatically about stealing people's money.
- it is. It is automatically about stealing some people's money tu pay for something that those people would not give money to on their own in the same way.
Politics are increasingly being used to create a divide, but not for the reasons you state.
- politics is always about creating a divide. Try and find politics that are not creating divide, that type of politics does not exist. Politics is about taking from some and promising others something for it, it's always about creating a divide.
The wealthy are the divide creators, and that in service of maintaining and advancing their wealth.
- actually AFAIC the wealthy in a free market capitalist economy reduce the divide by building businesses that make your money go further and reducing the divide. The divide is created by the politics of greed and promise of free stuff and promise of theft from those who have more to provide the loot to those who don't have as much regardless of how the wealth is generated.
A, money should not equal speech.
- it is speech. It is political speech first of all, money is the speech of the politicians who offer to steal and offer something for nothing to those, who would give them the political power. Once that it is the case, those with money will try to protect themselves from those, who want to steal from them, and those with money will use money to buy more votes, to buy more speech. De facto money is speech, always was, always will be, not because of any court rulings, because of what the world is.
B, those who make more money are the ones benefiting from our legal system. They have more to protect, use more services, etc.
Paying more seems fair to me.
- you mean those with more means should expect to pay more disproportionately so that those with fewer means will not mob together to steal from them?
You think this is also 'fair'? Well, it's realistic that those with more to protect will spend more to protect it. What you are doing though, you are equating disproportionate (so called 'progressive') taxation with 'justice'. The interesting thing is that you seem to have convinced yourself on this subject enough not to see the immorality of that stance.
C, taking the government budget, dividing by the number of citizens and expecting each to pay that amount? really?
- first of all that is Constitutional (capitation tax), secondly that is not even the subject I am bringing up. I am talking about the immoral nature of marginal income and wealth taxes, not absence of truly Constitutional taxation principles.
Could that work? Why would you expect that? This fails on practicability as well as on fairness.
- 'fairness' can never be achieved in the eyes of those, who want to steal more from those who have more. As long as somebody has much more than you do, you will always say it is unfair to tax you and not them, even though objectively are completely outpaying you in the size of taxes they are paying in every way, in absolute amounts, percentage wise, in everything.
Pure and simple. Might as well go back to Warlords and Kings
- Strawman argument. how about going back to Constitutional taxation, capitation and excise taxes? Seems impossible to you? That's how US of A was built before 1913 in the first place
The tax system is broken alright, there shouldn't be any income and wealth taxes in the first place for governments to steal from individuals and from their companies, but in this case the politicians are upset that instead of keeping revenues in the bank and then being forced by the politicians to provide them with the bribes for various other loopholes, the company in question simply paid out most of its revenues as individual salaries and bonuses so that there was no money left to tax at corporate level at all.
Must suck to be a politician who cannot force a company to give him bribes because all the money went to individual employees. Must suck being a politician, who now cannot simply rally up those very employees into 'make the rich pay more', 'corporations are evil, make them pay more', since those employees can see what they are really paying in taxes. Must suck not to be able to tax corporate profits once, so that later they could be taxed again when they are paid out as dividends or salaries or capital gains or whatever.
Loopholes are constructed by government that knows it taxes too much and can come for a handout to a company while threatening to use the entire tax code against it if it doesn't pay up some bribes for elections and such.
If your goal is to get money out of politics, you have to get politics out of money, which is ... good luck with that. My point is that the entire notion that you can remove money from politics, when the fact is that politics is all about stealing some people's money by using power that is provided to the governments by the mob, who want that theft to happen, shows that people who want to see money out of politics without addressing the larger issue of government oppression of the individual is dishonest.
Politics are used to create the divide between those, who make more money and those who make less. Politics are used to create the notion of so called 'just society' based on disproportionate taxation of those, who are in a complete minority of-course by their very definition. To tax in a disproportionate manner while expecting the votes to have equal power is disingenuous.
Taxes are created by the governments to steal money from those, who have money, tax loopholes are then provided to those, who are willing to subsidise specific politicians. Get rid of income and wealth related taxes and then you may have your equal voting, but you will not have equal individual voting power with disproportionate taxation of individuals.
I suggest trying more freedom, not less to allow people to build their own businesses and to be hired by more businesses. To have more businesses there has to be more savings in the system which allows for real investments. What we have today is no savings, huge debt, no way for new businesses to get access to meager savings to attempt building themselves up. We have fake money created on the whim by pseudo government banks, we have fake interest rates, preventing and discouraging savings. We have income and wealth taxes that prevent and reduce savings and prevent business formation. We have government licensing laws that prevent free market capitalism and instead try to maintain a command economy with its monopolies in so many sectors, including utilities, transportation, insurance, health care, education, energy, food, you name it.
What people need is a free market economy - economy free from oppression of the mob itself through impossible to deliver promises of the politicians.
We need freedom more than anything else, otherwise there will be ghettoes and unstoppable crime. For most of human existence we have had oppression, how about freedom for a change?
It is not only about supply but also about distribution. Air is free as long as you don't need to bring it somewhere, like under water or into space with you, when all of a sudden air is very expensive.
Food is cheap at the source but more expensive when distributed to people everywhere they live and want it.
Sex with beautiful girls is free (after the first time and before whatever consequences) but you have to be able to access them and they are also not evenly distributed, nor are they for everybody, they have to like you first somehow.
For somebody to deliver you anything in any meaningful quantities and on time it would take some amount of effort, why be in distribution business if it does not give you something back? It is not a nice way to spend time, it is work, work has to pay something, otherwise there is no reason to do it for others. That is why communism is nonsense.
Justice cannot be based on theft,on coercion, on violence, including violence of the state against individuals because the mob wants more of what it did not earn.
What helps the middle class and the poor is more business, more economic freedoms, free market capitalism is the best system of wealth dissemination not based on violence, theft and coercion. The average mob representative will never be able to see it,will vote for politicians promising welfare based on theft and will get the government that will eventually destroy the economyand society under the banner of so called 'just society' , which is nothing more than desire for state control of individuals, state based slavery.
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If we assume for a femtosecond that this actually happens and content is produced by robots, then what happens to the copyright on that content? The government provides monopoly on copyright for how long, the life of the writer plus 50 or 70 years or some such... what happens if the writer is a machine?
They are talking about business documents, whatever, but what if a machine produces fiction for example?
My position is of-course that government must not be in any form of business, including business of providing monopolies to people for any reason.
There shouldn't be such a thing as 'strong social system' and 'redistribution of wealth'. Theft, theft, theft, a trillion times theft. I am against any and all forms of violent redistribution of anybody's wealth for the benefit of anybody whatsoever. Hopefully we will witness complete collapse of all socialist systems and institutions and observe true free market capitalism in action. Social and economic Darwinism, that is what I want to see and complete removal of all forms of violent coercion by governments on behalf of the mob. All income and wealth taxes must stop. All business regulations must stop. All government control of money, interest rates must stop. Economic freedom!!!
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China is getting rid of the foreign reserves at some speed after it decoupled itself from the USD a month and a half ago as I mentioned more than once here. China is now on the path of rejecting the inflation that is imposed by the USA Federal reserve, Treasury (should be called Debtory instead, it has no treasure, only debt) and the rest of the USA government.
Chinese economy is the strongest economy in the world today, manufacturing and producing enough to satisfy the global demand and with this decoupling from the crippled US dollar, the Chinese Yuan will be going up as the USD bubble will burst.
Chinese are doing the correct thing by getting rid of the USD and US bond 'reserves' (worthless paper IOUs, the both of them). China also is underhandedly growing its gold reserves, not as much as they should, but they are growing them at least.
USD bubble is coming to an end, Chinese see it better from far away apparently than the Americans right in the middle of it.
That is true when it comes to the 'economics' that is used to prop up the agenda of the governments.
When it comes to actual economics, there is plenty of predictive power there.
Politicians, who are government pass laws that put people into prisons. 'Privatezed Prisons' in USA are not actually private, otherwise there would be no government money in it. I am all for private prisons, private criminal system, I am against government money involved in any of it.
Koch Brothers? The people who are paying the taxes that the mob lives off of.
You are confused as to what a government is. A government has the 'legal authority' to steal from me, to kidnap me and to murder me. No corporation has the legal authority to do that. A government uses mob power that it buys with promises to the mob at the expense of the people who are actually paying for all these promises. A government is a system that I will never see as anything but an evil collective whose purpose is to steal from me and if I try to protect myself from it then to kidnap me and maybe murder me.
A corporation does not have legitimate power to steal, kidnap and murder, unless corporations get that type of power, they are not governments. As to TPP making the power of corporations stronger, there are some issues with it and I voiced them in my original response to your question 'has anybody seen someone in favour of TPP'. I answered your question (got moderated down as always for saying anything on this site) but there it is.