... and wants to destroy your right to sell the fruits of your labor (if you write software, that is.)
I (and every well intentioned/.er) shouldn't respond to that, because Rombuu is a known M$ astroturfer and seasoned troll, but I challenge him to present one reference that mentions RMS lobbying for revocation of all IP legislation as it currently stands. Methinks it is you, albeit within the faint limits of Slashdot trolling, who is trying to stop people from exercising their right to freely share the fruits of their intellectual labour with the world at large.
OT: I may be reading to much into your nick but it looks to me like you're an Asimov fan (OTOH, perhaps not, you just combined names from the closest bookshelf in the library:-). Shouldn't your nick be 'seldonolivaw'?
Actually, the reviwer is right, both Perl AND VB belong in a stable of programming languages. That doesn't mean they're fit for human consumption, though.
Your gripe seems a little unfounded farrelli, I don't recall ever seeing any requirement of RPM in the LSB. After all, if I'm not mistaken, they've used Debian as a reference.
As for Slack, don't take it as a flame, but if you want BSD, you know where to get it...
Though I think it is much more a case of being stubborn than not playing nice...
I'm curious though, if Redhat doesn't "play nice", what other distribution does? Certainly not the other RPM-based ones, right? And you certainly doesn't mean Slack, right?
So, that leaves us with Debian and supposedlly Storm. Fair enough, I think Debian is actually being used as the LSB reference...
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Oh, wait, that's Slackware!
Yikes, dude that was mean! Making your fellow slashdotter spill soda from his nose off laughing! Don't do that again or if I ever meet you, I will kick your ass (TM).
Yeah, definitely Zico, that was an awwwsome question, very clever dude! Now be a good doggy and fetch me my scotch and soda.
Whoever moderated this up, whatever his views on the issue at hand are, did not pay attention to the other questions which pose far more insight into it. What is the substance of Zico's question: "Dear Metallica, are you pissed off about people pirating your music?". Hint: it is not an interesting question if it can be answered by every single Anonymous Coward on Slashdot without stopping to think for a second. Maybe Zico has a friend of fellow shills (maybe extra karma-full aliases) to prop up his weak posts. On a final note, your condescending tone is really boring Zico. Try to put some more humor into your writing, it will do you good, and Slashdot will thank you.
Considering that (and I really wish you guys understand the technical implications I'm trying to make here) Napster is only providing a service (both the client and the server software) which could be used for the purpose of unauthorized copying of copyrighted material, would you consider going after all the service providers involved in this illegal exchange (i.e. Phone companies, ISPs, carriers)? Do you consider it technically feasible? Do you consider it viable to sue all the hundereds of thousands of people who have infringed on your copyright? And more to the point: do you think it is fair to sue the providers of the service along with the perpetrators (insert obvious and gratuitous analogy with crime victims suing gunmakers)?
Congratulations, you too are so inebriated in your anti-enviromentalism crusade that you haven't noticed you're making the same kind of rabid, irrational posts before starting to fight each other. More power to ya!
Why do environmentalists always assume that the way the Earth is now MUST be the best? I really dont think nature gives a shit they way it is, look at our fellow planets.
Yeah, I'm sure you'll love the way those malign tumour cells look on your skin... Nature, being an abstract entity, obviously cares as much about its state as information does about its freedom. Its people (well, rational people at least) that should care about the state of their dwelling place, just like they care about their personal hygiene or their financial situation.
If RMS had his way he would take away this freedom from us all
And if your teeth were diamonds you could eat steel bars as chocolate! Or sell them for a fortune! Fortunately, your false conjectures serve only to get that straw man argument knocked flat to the ground. Nice job, hope you had fun doing it.
Yeah, in other words, every country is distinct, so there are no basis for comparison. Bzzt... thank you for playing... The same social, economic, political whatever conditions are not necessary for meaningful comparisons of two simple facts that are in essence the same all over this big blue planet: law enactment and law infringement. Those and the way to deal with the latter are seriously fucked up in the US. Period.
You have to remember that one of their suggestions is that vendors support both RPMs and tarballs for binary distribution of software. No mention of DEBs. If that doesn't make you wonder, I don't know what else would.
All in all, it looks like just a bunch of 'leet Slackware whiners. Nothing to see here folks, move on.
Shell scripting gives you 3 different regular expression flavors to use. Inconsistent meaning for whitespace. And lots of little sublanguages with different syntaxes. It's great for making code completely umaintainable.
And that differs from Perl how?
That's just what's needed, a statement whose common accepted default behavior is exactly wrong about 85% of the time.
Randomly making up statistics to help your puny defense of a misfeature in your favourite language doesn't improve your argument, sir.
Well, I had included a link to the webpages of YAPC, but slashdot decided to filter it out. You'd have to work it out for yourself (and ask the slashdot programmers to write better parsing software).
While on the process of doing so, one might as well suggest a better language in which to write said software.
But, then again, I am a Christian and I DON'T agree with you that this "flies in the face" of our beliefs, so maybe you should just put out that decree for the people of your Christian sect. Unless the majority of the people in your sect disagree with you, then you're screwed -- unless you're Catholic, then you just need the Pope to dictate it and everyone must follow.
I know I should resist the tempation of arguing with someone who falls for a not-so-subtle troll (but who am I to know? you probably like it!) but I have to call your attention to the fact that most Catholics (Roman, Orthodox, Coptic etc) do not follow blindly the guidance of the Pontiff of Rome. Some, as think I made clear, do not even consider His Holiness to be the leader of the Church.
I keeping with the trollish nature ogf this thread, I should finish be stating that when you mean youe a "Christian", what you really mean is that you're a Protestant, i.e., a heretic, pagan-descendant, fool who follows theologically illiterate slysters selling religious snake oil and believes blindly in the words of the prophets, written in the Book, forfeiting any interpretation and historical analysis of its narrative.
To stretch an analogy, I would perhaps say that instead of carrying around a set of socket wrenches, a saw and hedge clippers I'll just carry this natty little combi-tool with adjustable wrench and cutting accessories. Well, with that kind of mindset I can actually agree, and I commend you for not being as single-minded as I presumed at first. Learning new things (languages, tools, APIs, things outside the realm of computer wizardry) is a great skill, useful not only in the practice of the craft but in everyday life as well. And the great thing about it is that it is generally a self-rewarding effort. Now, I wouldn't compare PERL to Leathermen, but rather to a weighty hammer with a handle full of knobs and sharp edges that hurt your hands every time you try to use it, but that is just a question of personal taste,I guess...
Well then, being pedantic, there is nothing specific to Perl 5.6 in this thread, and as I'm sure you must have noticed from reading them far and wide, most of the other threads in this comments section.
But now you aroused my curiosity, would the construct work in a previous incarnation of PERL, by some magic? I'm not trying to be sly or anything here, just curious, not being a PERL guru myself.
Not to be pedantic, but that would only hold true for ASCII(ANSI, ISO-* etc) character systems. Not that there's too many people running PERL on EBCDIC systems;-)
You claim (or rather, Larry Wall's) that PERL's learning curve is not steep simply doesn't stand ground. PERL is not only huge, it's syntax is complicated and full of bogosities that make it hard to understand. What you are apparently forgetting is that there is more to programming than just learning a "language". You have to learn APIs to interact with the underlying system, and programming models. C, and LISP especially, lay ou an easy path for you to do so. No so with Perl.
Perl is not a panacea. However, instead of thinking "use the (one) right tool for the job" and learning C, C++, perl, python, java, scheme, eiffel etc, use "a good enough tool for the job" - which is often perl. Its easier to write in perl all the time and use a new feature than it is to learn a whole new language for every task. Well, what is it then Mac? Is it or is it not a panacea? You sort of contradict yourself in the last sentences. But the important thing is: if you approach programming with this attitude (learn just one tool, use it all around) you're pretty likely to write software that sucks in one way or another. Which is not so bad for sysadmin stuff (which is still most of PERL's turf), and provides for a little job security on the side. PS: Excuse me if the formatting comes out broken. I have posted twice to this article, previewed, but Slashdot keeps, uh, slashing at the formatting. What language was it written in again? Thought so.
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I (and every well intentioned /.er) shouldn't respond to that, because Rombuu is a known M$ astroturfer and seasoned troll, but I challenge him to present one reference that mentions RMS lobbying for revocation of all IP legislation as it currently stands.
Methinks it is you, albeit within the faint limits of Slashdot trolling, who is trying to stop people from exercising their right to freely share the fruits of their intellectual labour with the world at large.
cheers
Actually, the reviwer is right, both Perl AND VB belong in a stable of programming languages. That doesn't mean they're fit for human consumption, though.
You mean, it would have even more FSF stuff on it, right?
Your gripe seems a little unfounded farrelli, I don't recall ever seeing any requirement of RPM in the LSB. After all, if I'm not mistaken, they've used Debian as a reference.
As for Slack, don't take it as a flame, but if you want BSD, you know where to get it...
s/Redhat/Slackware/
Though I think it is much more a case of being stubborn than not playing nice...
I'm curious though, if Redhat doesn't "play nice", what other distribution does? Certainly not the other RPM-based ones, right? And you certainly doesn't mean Slack, right?
So, that leaves us with Debian and supposedlly Storm. Fair enough, I think Debian is actually being used as the LSB reference...
Oh, wait, that's Slackware!
Yikes, dude that was mean! Making your fellow slashdotter spill soda from his nose off laughing! Don't do that again or if I ever meet you, I will kick your ass (TM).
Yeah, definitely Zico, that was an awwwsome question, very clever dude! Now be a good doggy and fetch me my scotch and soda.
Whoever moderated this up, whatever his views on the issue at hand are, did not pay attention to the other questions which pose far more insight into it. What is the substance of Zico's question: "Dear Metallica, are you pissed off about people pirating your music?". Hint: it is not an interesting question if it can be answered by every single Anonymous Coward on Slashdot without stopping to think for a second. Maybe Zico has a friend of fellow shills (maybe extra karma-full aliases) to prop up his weak posts.
On a final note, your condescending tone is really boring Zico. Try to put some more humor into your writing, it will do you good, and Slashdot will thank you.
fprintf, do you realize that you must the abolute first first-poster to ever be moderated up to 5???
;-)?
Do you realize the seriousness of this situation? Slashdot will never be the same again!
OTOH, I bet ya had this post ready ever since JonKatz leaked the interview announcement, righ
Considering that (and I really wish you guys understand the technical implications I'm trying to make here) Napster is only providing a service (both the client and the server software) which could be used for the purpose of unauthorized copying of copyrighted material, would you consider going after all the service providers involved in this illegal exchange (i.e. Phone companies, ISPs, carriers)? Do you consider it technically feasible? Do you consider it viable to sue all the hundereds of thousands of people who have infringed on your copyright?
And more to the point: do you think it is fair to sue the providers of the service along with the perpetrators (insert obvious and gratuitous analogy with crime victims suing gunmakers)?
Congratulations, you too are so inebriated in your anti-enviromentalism crusade that you haven't noticed you're making the same kind of rabid, irrational posts before starting to fight each other. More power to ya!
Why do environmentalists always assume that the way the Earth is now MUST be the best? I really dont think nature gives a shit they way it is, look at our fellow planets.
Yeah, I'm sure you'll love the way those malign tumour cells look on your skin...
Nature, being an abstract entity, obviously cares as much about its state as information does about its freedom. Its people (well, rational people at least) that should care about the state of their dwelling place, just like they care about their personal hygiene or their financial situation.
Then why do you waste your time so much? Do yourself in right away, the world will thank you a million times.
If RMS had his way he would take away this freedom from us all
And if your teeth were diamonds you could eat steel bars as chocolate! Or sell them for a fortune!
Fortunately, your false conjectures serve only to get that straw man argument knocked flat to the ground. Nice job, hope you had fun doing it.
I can keep going, but that proves my point.
No, it just proves that the correspondence course you took on anthropology isn't worth the drool you used to paste the stamps on those darn envelopes.
Yeah, in other words, every country is distinct, so there are no basis for comparison. Bzzt... thank you for playing...
The same social, economic, political whatever conditions are not necessary for meaningful comparisons of two simple facts that are in essence the same all over this big blue planet: law enactment and law infringement. Those and the way to deal with the latter are seriously fucked up in the US. Period.
Actulally, AFAIK, and as per TNHD, "newbie" orginates from Britsh public schools and comes from a tipically British contraction of "new boy".
Then again, I am afraid you've been badly (and not subtly) trolled.
You have to remember that one of their suggestions is that vendors support both RPMs and tarballs for binary distribution of software. No mention of DEBs. If that doesn't make you wonder, I don't know what else would.
All in all, it looks like just a bunch of 'leet Slackware whiners. Nothing to see here folks, move on.
Shell scripting gives you 3 different regular expression flavors to use. Inconsistent meaning for whitespace. And lots of little sublanguages with different syntaxes. It's great for making code completely umaintainable.
And that differs from Perl how?
That's just what's needed, a statement whose common accepted default behavior is exactly wrong about 85% of the time.
Randomly making up statistics to help your puny defense of a misfeature in your favourite language doesn't improve your argument, sir.
Well, I had included a link to the webpages of YAPC, but slashdot decided to filter it out. You'd have to work it out for yourself (and ask the slashdot programmers to write better parsing software).
While on the process of doing so, one might as well suggest a better language in which to write said software.
But, then again, I am a Christian and I DON'T agree with you that this "flies in the face" of our beliefs, so maybe you should just put out that decree for the people of your Christian sect. Unless the majority of the people in your sect disagree with you, then you're screwed -- unless you're Catholic, then you just need the Pope to dictate it and everyone must follow.
I know I should resist the tempation of arguing with someone who falls for a not-so-subtle troll (but who am I to know? you probably like it!) but I have to call your attention to the fact that most Catholics (Roman, Orthodox, Coptic etc) do not follow blindly the guidance of the Pontiff of Rome. Some, as think I made clear, do not even consider His Holiness to be the leader of the Church.
I keeping with the trollish nature ogf this thread, I should finish be stating that when you mean youe a "Christian", what you really mean is that you're a Protestant, i.e., a heretic, pagan-descendant, fool who follows theologically illiterate slysters selling religious snake oil and believes blindly in the words of the prophets, written in the Book, forfeiting any interpretation and historical analysis of its narrative.
To stretch an analogy, I would perhaps say that instead of carrying around a set of socket wrenches, a saw and hedge clippers I'll just carry this natty little combi-tool with adjustable wrench and cutting accessories. Well, with that kind of mindset I can actually agree, and I commend you for not being as single-minded as I presumed at first. Learning new things (languages, tools, APIs, things outside the realm of computer wizardry) is a great skill, useful not only in the practice of the craft but in everyday life as well. And the great thing about it is that it is generally a self-rewarding effort. Now, I wouldn't compare PERL to Leathermen, but rather to a weighty hammer with a handle full of knobs and sharp edges that hurt your hands every time you try to use it, but that is just a question of personal taste,I guess...
Well then, being pedantic, there is nothing specific to Perl 5.6 in this thread, and as I'm sure you must have noticed from reading them far and wide, most of the other threads in this comments section.
But now you aroused my curiosity, would the construct work in a previous incarnation of PERL, by some magic? I'm not trying to be sly or anything here, just curious, not being a PERL guru myself.
Not to be pedantic, but that would only hold true for ASCII(ANSI, ISO-* etc) character systems. ;-)
Not that there's too many people running PERL on EBCDIC systems
You claim (or rather, Larry Wall's) that PERL's learning curve is not steep simply doesn't stand ground. PERL is not only huge, it's syntax is complicated and full of bogosities that make it hard to understand. What you are apparently forgetting is that there is more to programming than just learning a "language". You have to learn APIs to interact with the underlying system, and programming models. C, and LISP especially, lay ou an easy path for you to do so. No so with Perl.
Perl is not a panacea. However, instead of thinking "use the (one) right tool for the job" and learning C, C++, perl, python, java, scheme, eiffel etc, use "a good enough tool for the job" - which is often perl. Its easier to write in perl all the time and use a new feature than it is to learn a whole new language for every task.
Well, what is it then Mac? Is it or is it not a panacea? You sort of contradict yourself in the last sentences. But the important thing is: if you approach programming with this attitude (learn just one tool, use it all around) you're pretty likely to write software that sucks in one way or another. Which is not so bad for sysadmin stuff (which is still most of PERL's turf), and provides for a little job security on the side.
PS: Excuse me if the formatting comes out broken. I have posted twice to this article, previewed, but Slashdot keeps, uh, slashing at the formatting. What language was it written in again? Thought so.