I tried the OpenMoko, too. Ended up getting an N900 and it's much better for an everyday phone. Wish I could get an N950, but I'm not that serious of a dev for that platform.
I just bought a fit-PC2 (linux) with semi-intentions to do what you're wanting to do.
It's pretty nice, I've been booting from USB into fedora 11 but haven't got the poulsbo chipset video working, yet.
Of all the gadgets I have fooled with (not a large number) this one installs 'normal' linux distros much better, except for the video driver (google poulsbo).
It draws 8w max when it's bttw and you can get one for just over US$300 at amazon.
I went to the AT&T store and told them I had an unlocked 3G phone and needed a SIM. The only SIM they had that worked was a 2G Cingular one that was left laying around. So I got the GoPhone pay as you go plan and put US$50 on it, which gets me on the network for $1/day on days I use it. Mobile to mobile is unlimited and all others are $.1/minute. Credit expires in 90 days, and rolls over if you re-up some $, otherwise it expires after a grace period and you lose the number.
This is my first cell phone and the only reason I got it is the open source aspect of it, I may or may not do any development on it, prolly just futz around a bit, at least until the base system is stable. I've not tried the debian thing yet, I'll prolly do that next.
I used PS2 Linux a little bit. I got a few OpenGL demos running, but that was about it. IIRC, it ran a modified version of RedHat, I can't recall which one but it wasn't too recent. There were some significant areas that were poorly/not documented as far as the Emotion Engine and I never tried installing anything other than the kit.
I got one and yes, it wasn't too usable. It ran a modified RH version of GNU/Linux and there were some areas they didn't give much (if any) info about, IIRC. There was an independent distro out, but I never tried it. It wasn't too expensive, $99, I think, for which you got a keyboard, mouse, 40Gb HD and a NIC card. That said, I never really spent alot of time with it, so YMMV.
BGE - Bitter Groklaw Exile
A group of folks who became disenchanted with PJ and
started a new site http://www.ip-wars.net/.
They are
hounded by a troll from the CKX board (cdbaric, hence
the barbaric reference) who seems to beleive
he is helping make the internet safe for all of us.
>> "Frankly, the value of Linux is so incredibly low that it has to be given away. If anybody tried to charge for it, they'd go out of business immediately."
Care to explain RedHat?
>> "you'll never, ever be able to keep it running on your own"
I've never seen any system that the boss could keep running on his own, although a Linux system would come alot closer than anything else to being low maintenance.
i knew there was something i liked about you. i noticed in the past your posts are often entertaining so if i ever see one below my threshold i make it a point to read it. g'day
that was the only part of the article that was wrong. RMS gets shorted often because it's too easy to lump the FSF/GNU work under the linux rubric, which is why RMS likes the GNU/Linux nomenclature.
X is a protocol, you are referring to the programs written that use X, ie. Gnome/KDE. try running fluxbox for a window manager and watch your machine r0x!
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I tried the OpenMoko, too. Ended up getting an N900 and it's much better for an everyday phone.
Wish I could get an N950, but I'm not that serious of a dev for that platform.
Somewhat of a spoiler, but you should read A Deepness in the Sky by Vernor Vinge.
Highly recommended.
What we learn from history is that we do not learn from history.
Benjamin Disraeli
I just bought a fit-PC2 (linux) with semi-intentions to do what you're wanting to do. It's pretty nice, I've been booting from USB into fedora 11 but haven't got the poulsbo chipset video working, yet. Of all the gadgets I have fooled with (not a large number) this one installs 'normal' linux distros much better, except for the video driver (google poulsbo). It draws 8w max when it's bttw and you can get one for just over US$300 at amazon.
I went to the AT&T store and told them I had an unlocked 3G phone and needed a SIM. The only SIM they had that worked was a 2G Cingular one that was left laying around.
So I got the GoPhone pay as you go plan and put US$50 on it, which gets me on the network for $1/day on days I use it. Mobile to mobile is unlimited and all others are
$.1/minute. Credit expires in 90 days, and rolls over if you re-up some $, otherwise it expires after a grace period and you lose the number.
This is my first cell phone and the only reason I got it is the open source aspect of it, I may or may not do any development on it, prolly just futz around a bit, at least
until the base system is stable. I've not tried the debian thing yet, I'll prolly do that next.
the scientists, that is...
>> Is the 5-minute time for a box connected directly to the web (static IP)?
;-)
yes
>> is it true for a new XP box behind a NAT'ed router as well?
no
Although I think the '5 minute root' might be a bit exagerated, it probably takes more like 10-15 minutes
"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."
Sun Tzu (probably maybe)
I used PS2 Linux a little bit. I got a few OpenGL demos running, but that was about it.
IIRC, it ran a modified version of RedHat, I can't recall which one but it wasn't too recent. There were some significant areas that were poorly/not documented as far as the Emotion Engine and I never tried installing anything other than the kit.
I got one and yes, it wasn't too usable. It ran a modified RH version of GNU/Linux and there were some areas they didn't give much (if any) info about, IIRC. There was an independent distro out, but I never tried it.
It wasn't too expensive, $99, I think, for which you got a keyboard, mouse, 40Gb HD and a NIC card.
That said, I never really spent alot of time with it, so YMMV.
BGE - Bitter Groklaw Exile
A group of folks who became disenchanted with PJ and started a new site http://www.ip-wars.net/.
They are hounded by a troll from the CKX board (cdbaric, hence the barbaric reference) who seems to beleive he is helping make the internet safe for all of us.
>> "the business model of giving away a poor product"
Clearly you are not referring to GNU/Linux in your business model description.
>> "Then you must not be very experienced."
And your experience is that Apple is a big player in the business market?
>> "Frankly, the value of Linux is so incredibly low that it has to be given away. If anybody tried to charge for it, they'd go out of business immediately."
Care to explain RedHat?
>> "you'll never, ever be able to keep it running on your own"
I've never seen any system that the boss could keep running on his own, although a Linux system would come alot closer than anything else to being low maintenance.
In my long experience as a biker (30 years), I can confirm your experience.
"and thus far ill defined"
i would change "ill defined" into "poorly understood".
that's so teh funnay it's sad.
i knew there was something i liked about you.
i noticed in the past your posts are often entertaining so if i ever see one below my threshold i make it a point to read it.
g'day
that was the only part of the article that was wrong.
RMS gets shorted often because it's too easy to lump the FSF/GNU work under the linux rubric, which is why RMS likes the GNU/Linux nomenclature.
i built mozilla w/SVG support, not trivial, but not impossible.
try crux, it can be stripped down pretty easily...
extend, extinguish.
i think they are worried that linux could hit critical mass, cuz once it do, they're toast (0ff t3h 5p0k3).
i'm totally sold on teh flux, i'll never use Gnome again, unless i do :/
i actually cried a couple times during the first 30 minutes of FotR i was so....godsmacked.
"then the only reason anyone would use Linux would be cost"
no, there would still be the free speech/beer issue.
there is much to be learned from RMS.
X is a protocol, you are referring to the programs
written that use X, ie. Gnome/KDE.
try running fluxbox for a window manager and watch
your machine r0x!