I see you're working on a textbased application (based on ncurses).
I wondered: do you stick to programs like mutt, vi, ircii/bitchx, tin, w3m/lynx etc., or do you use their gtk/qt equivalents?
I find this interesting, because: more and more new posix compatible operating systems users get sticking to these X based tools, and totally leap over the/real/ power of these systems: console based apps (which work over telnet, ssh, don't need themes to look good and are quicker to use). Please note: this is all IMHO:]
True, that is what market is for when there are many small companies, and buyers can choose their sellers.
This however, is not the case with telco's, is not the case with big OS manufacturers and is not the case with CD records.
Monopoly/Oligopoly
This is where not the buyers make up the rules, but the sellers. Since the buyers are more or less binded to the big companies, they can't choose nor argue.
Of course, this is considered a bad thing. Numerous people have tried to abandon this capitalistic idea and some have succeeded. Regulations are just a part of (mono|oligo)polies.
I find this attempt of telcos trying to abandon VoIP a very humble and stupid one. There are no rights whatsoever on what you send through an UDP connection. What makes the difference between an irc session, and a VoIP connection? What makes the difference between recording your voice, putting it in the.mp3 format, ftp'ing it to the person whom you're talking to and playing it (besides the fact that you should, of course, do this all realtime:]). IMHO: nothing...
Anyhows, browsers should have an option for vi keybindings in textboxes. But that's another point *grin*
As might be read, it seems that only the brain can't be transplanted, this is not fully true.
As by it's complicated nature, the nerves in the backbone can't be transplanted too. It's simply a too complicated task to connect all nerves from the receiving side to the transplant. Hopefully this will once be possible, so partly paralised humans can walk again.
I'm looking up some information about this, I'll reply to this thread as soon as i've found anything appropriate.
As every slashdot reader knows, everything M$ develops is commercial in the first place and according to standards in the second.
Why are we still bothering with IE while they will fail sooner or later? There is not such thing as stopping a big company in making their own standards.
They will step themselves on the tail as soon as they realise that the road they've laid themselves is not accessible by other cars.
I wonder how much of these new features are to be seen in their website. Just as much i wonder how long this road is.
I've always thought that distribution of information is the most important thing on the Internet, of 2nd demand is frames, stylesheets and whatever the big companies invented for us.
i don't fully agree in the way you say it, however I understand you don't like the position of RedHat inbetween other distro's.
Everytime I see the name RedHat i think about: 1. why did Rasterman _really_ quit redhat? 2. is redhat having an eye on BeOS? 3. will they still support opensource software when they think they can handle it alone? 4. why are rpm's stupid? and... 5. why do i have the feeling _I_ am in control when I use Slack, and don't have that feeling with RedHat?
ok, for now I don't really bother with RedHat, for as far as I can see out of the facts they are just the most successfull Linux distro at this moment. Some years ago Slack was the most successfull. Maybe in two years, Debian will be the most successfull, you'll never know.
Way to go !!! thanks for this comment, this was exactly which I had in mind for a long time, but couldn't express very well:) indeed, Linux is _our_ OS, we should keep it that way... now my bit in this story:
What I see and what you see too apperently is a reaction which happens over and over and over. This reaction can be put into three parts:
-1- 'hack into it' part -2- 'look i'm doing it too' part -3- 'everybody is doing it, so i do it too' part
you can put this stuff into many things, from Linux to cellphones, from a new carradio option to airbags...
part 1 starts mostly non-commercial or very low-budget... it is fun! part 2 starts when the big commercial companies get in, they still don't put a bet on the horse... part 3 starts when the commerce has enough confidence to put huge lot's of money in it, the people from part 1 start looking for something else to play with, because they hate commerce...
the problem here is, can we stop part 3? (which is already started)... another problem is, how does this work out along with the GPL?
this is what I have seen many times lately, your comment?
Lately we all have seen many problems concerning creditcard fraude through E-commerce sites. How is the U.S. House of Representatives able to prove it wouldn't happen to them? Everybody knows that the biggest exploit is still to be found. Everybody knows that every (large) application contains bugs.
From my opinion a far better approach would be to have every state a couple of dial-out boxen which are also connected to the internet. With the appropriate software, a box will dial out to the client, sending login info, while the client sends approval back via this line. I'm not saying this is the perfect solution, however it is a far more secure option.
Everytime I read such articles, I more and more believe that the future of computers is not in a fixed workplace.
Imaging you just bringing such a pad to school/work, checking in on a main-frame, and doing your work. With an internet connection, these things will need very little harddisk space (or none). Also, technology will make them smaller, compare the calculator of 20 years ago with the ones we see now! Imagine now such a pad, not thicker than 2 mm, and at a very low weight. If you need anything typed you can connect a keyboard to it (or the cool "wireless keyboard without the keyboard" thingie).
And now for the best part: this all under Linux! Now I understand why those Startrek computers never crash...
If I look at UNIX, at POSIX, at all those standards which have been used for many many years, I see a tendens. Those "old" standards are really very good. They serve precisely what a computer user needs. My believe is that we should keep with the old standards and alter them slightly when it is necesarry, and try to make as few new standards as possible. Those old standards have been tested and tested and tested, and that's why they are so good.
Like said above because you'll need an ordinary modem connection for upload, it won't push the telephone costs. And if you want a satelite uplink it will cost you money, a huge lot of money.
We've been asking for such an option for an outdoor lan-party here in Europe, the total cost of rent for one year would be around 400,000 dollars (800,000 dutch guilders). Besides, the ISP which with you're connecting (here in West-Europe) is mostly relying on cached stuff. As soon as you try to obtain stuff which is not cached (newsfeed, slashdot, freshmeat etc.), the connection is very slow.
Therefor, I think a satelite link has too much disadvantages to be ever cost-effective in the near future, however I don't know how the situation in the States is.
uhm, alot i guess... too much, --waay-- too much... what is a reboot for actually? i can remember doing it once a long long time ago, but I can't remember why...
Completely off-topic but: You might wan't to get a good virusscanner: there are some virusses that fsck up with the IDE devices (however they were not originally designed to do that:-). I've had the same problem with a form-a virus. After removing the virus, everything worked all fine (this was for my parents, I don't use Windows)
I hear this "bloat" nonsense a lot. Would you care to actually name some of these useless features that "no one" ever uses?
Some useless features:
3D text (I've seen this many times, but applied very bad at all places) Paperclip buddy (complete madness, useless waste of hdd space and processor), luckily you can disable it HTML editing Besides this is not a task of a document processor, I think M$ applied it poorly and even _if_ you want to use Word for HTML editing it doesn't produce what you want. Galery I never used it, and I don't want to use it either. Complete nonsense. Much much more Believe me, I've seen alot of useless features in the complete office set of M$, I really don't have the time to write them all down, just look for yourself.
If we compare LaTeX with any Wordprocessor out there, you must admit that if LaTeX has a userfriendly interface which would produce better results and wouldn't be overloaded with these useless features.
For as far as I can see, most sysadmins at schools are underpayed sysadmins who are only familiar with mouse: to install NT. No I'm not kidding, I can still remember my last school where they completely lowformatted a Linux proxy (installed by a student) and installed WinProxy just because the networkcard had broken down, and they didn't knew how to install the drivers for a new one under Linux. I've tried (at this school) at the sysadmins to install Linux on one or two machines, so some geeks out here can work more efficiently. The answer was no. Their reasons where obvious: because they don't know how to secure any unix alike system they don't want it. Right now they are trying to protect their systems with a mixture of WinDose and Novell, so far no luck I'm afraid, DOS is wide open, and so is telnet/ftp/http/ssh/whatever. My thought? As long as there are underpaid sysadmins with only a MCSE certificate, there won't be any Linux.
Too bad 90% here can't see them, though... Lynx forever:) BTW, you can however download seejpeg or aaview to view the images... well, maybe the last clue turns up when looked through aalib...
I think you can't say for sure it is the word colour that changed into color in the States. What I heard lately was that not the American language but the english language has changed the most the past 200 years. Even more: the American language nowadays closely resembles the English spoken in England 200 years ago. Probably there is a link to relative information about this, but I can't really find it:)
on m$'s site Sorry, there should be more out there right now:) The page has some links to other pages also containing the news, so: let the slashdot effect try m$ servers *grin*
What I am wondering is if this M$ breakup would eventually help other OS'es. IMHO: No... Linux has stated his point the last 1.5 year to show the public that stable, quick and not expensive OSes can exist. Many companies are now turning over to Linux, and I'm quite confinced that this trend will continue. To be honest: I would like to see this battle till the end: Open-source vs. M$... Well, on the other hand: Maybe Netscape could get a hang on the public again after this break-up. We'll see... (sorry for my English, I'm at school and have no spellingchecker here)
Sorry I've not yet seen Win2000 in detail so I can't refer on that. However, I think M$ makes a huge step with Win2000 and I'm very curious how this new Windoze version will affect Linux and it's users.
I work in a "multimedia" part of a bookstore here in the Netherlands (just for getting some extra money). We support Linux a lot and hence we sell about 6 different distributions, many documentation and also some games. What I've seen here so far: Transport Tycoon II, Civ, a 3D tactical game and some other (smaller) games.
My oppinion on games under Linux is very simple. Linux still needs some improvement to make it just as good for games as Windows or DOS. Compare Windows/DOS with Linux Windows/DOS : Single user: no security problems, so coders have much more freedom in accessing hardware Good libraries: I can tell you many bad things about Windows, but DirectX is a good library Good hardware support: nuff' said Linux (or any other unice) Multi user: coders have less freedom because of kernel design which prohibits direct access to the hardware unless run as suid root. Libraries: I've got to admit: mesa is getting better and better. It wouldn't be bad if we had mesa as standard for every game developed under Linux Hardware support: Get's better and better (look at nvidea's fast driver support for it's latest card)
Looking at the differences: Linux is not far from it's goal as gaming platform. But do we really _need_ those games? I don't know for sure, but for as far as I know, most gamers still use Windows as their main platform, and I think they don't really see the need for changing to another os.
I agree with you for 99% Now 1% of reality: 1) I've not yet seen framecapable text browsers 2) I like to play a game now and then, i've not yet seen a svgamode quake 3 version 3) there is no spoon
Other 99% 1) Textmode works much faster than having to grab that mouse every now and then 2) Textmode takes up much less memory (does it takes up any memory?) 3) I don't want to see vi in an Xterm:)
Slashdot Mirror
I wondered: do you stick to programs like mutt, vi, ircii/bitchx, tin, w3m/lynx etc., or do you use their gtk/qt equivalents?
I find this interesting, because: more and more new posix compatible operating systems users get sticking to these X based tools, and totally leap over the /real/ power of these systems: console based apps (which work over telnet, ssh, don't need themes to look good and are quicker to use). Please note: this is all IMHO :]
True, that is what market is for when there are many small companies, and buyers can choose their sellers.
.mp3 format, ftp'ing it to the person whom you're talking to and playing it (besides the fact that you should, of course, do this all realtime :]). IMHO: nothing...
This however, is not the case with telco's, is not the case with big OS manufacturers and is not the case with CD records.
Monopoly/Oligopoly
This is where not the buyers make up the rules, but the sellers. Since the buyers are more or less binded to the big companies, they can't choose nor argue.
Of course, this is considered a bad thing. Numerous people have tried to abandon this capitalistic idea and some have succeeded. Regulations are just a part of (mono|oligo)polies.
I find this attempt of telcos trying to abandon VoIP a very humble and stupid one. There are no rights whatsoever on what you send through an UDP connection. What makes the difference between an irc session, and a VoIP connection? What makes the difference between recording your voice, putting it in the
Anyhows, browsers should have an option for vi keybindings in textboxes. But that's another point *grin*
As might be read, it seems that only the brain can't be transplanted, this is not fully true.
As by it's complicated nature, the nerves in the backbone can't be transplanted too. It's simply a too complicated task to connect all nerves from the receiving side to the transplant. Hopefully this will once be possible, so partly paralised humans can walk again.
I'm looking up some information about this, I'll reply to this thread as soon as i've found anything appropriate.
As every slashdot reader knows, everything M$ develops is commercial in the first place and according to standards in the second.
Why are we still bothering with IE while they will fail sooner or later? There is not such thing as stopping a big company in making their own standards.
They will step themselves on the tail as soon as they realise that the road they've laid themselves is not accessible by other cars.
I wonder how much of these new features are to be seen in their website. Just as much i wonder how long this road is.
I've always thought that distribution of information is the most important thing on the Internet, of 2nd demand is frames, stylesheets and whatever the big companies invented for us.
i don't fully agree in the way you say it, however I understand you don't like the position of RedHat inbetween other distro's.
Everytime I see the name RedHat i think about:
1. why did Rasterman _really_ quit redhat?
2. is redhat having an eye on BeOS?
3. will they still support opensource software when they think they can handle it alone?
4. why are rpm's stupid? and...
5. why do i have the feeling _I_ am in control when I use Slack, and don't have that feeling with RedHat?
ok, for now I don't really bother with RedHat, for as far as I can see out of the facts they are just the most successfull Linux distro at this moment. Some years ago Slack was the most successfull. Maybe in two years, Debian will be the most successfull, you'll never know.
how am i supposed to prove i have forgotten my Window$ screensaver password, which I havn't used for around 4 years?
how am i supposed to prove i have forgotten what the name of the president of the united states was in 1940 which i have learned 4 years ago?
i think the only way to actually prove it, is using a lie-detector...
Way to go !!! :)
thanks for this comment, this was exactly which I had in mind for a long time, but couldn't express very well
indeed, Linux is _our_ OS, we should keep it that way...
now my bit in this story:
What I see and what you see too apperently is a reaction which happens over and over and over. This reaction can be put into three parts:
-1- 'hack into it' part
-2- 'look i'm doing it too' part
-3- 'everybody is doing it, so i do it too' part
you can put this stuff into many things, from Linux to cellphones, from a new carradio option to airbags...
part 1 starts mostly non-commercial or very low-budget... it is fun!
part 2 starts when the big commercial companies get in, they still don't put a bet on the horse...
part 3 starts when the commerce has enough confidence to put huge lot's of money in it, the people from part 1 start looking for something else to play with, because they hate commerce...
the problem here is, can we stop part 3? (which is already started)...
another problem is, how does this work out along with the GPL?
this is what I have seen many times lately, your comment?
Lately we all have seen many problems concerning creditcard fraude through E-commerce sites. How is the U.S. House of Representatives able to prove it wouldn't happen to them? Everybody knows that the biggest exploit is still to be found. Everybody knows that every (large) application contains bugs.
From my opinion a far better approach would be to have every state a couple of dial-out boxen which are also connected to the internet. With the appropriate software, a box will dial out to the client, sending login info, while the client sends approval back via this line. I'm not saying this is the perfect solution, however it is a far more secure option.
Everytime I read such articles, I more and more believe that the future of computers is not in a fixed workplace.
Imaging you just bringing such a pad to school/work, checking in on a main-frame, and doing your work. With an internet connection, these things will need very little harddisk space (or none).
Also, technology will make them smaller, compare the calculator of 20 years ago with the ones we see now! Imagine now such a pad, not thicker than 2 mm, and at a very low weight. If you need anything typed you can connect a keyboard to it (or the cool "wireless keyboard without the keyboard" thingie).
And now for the best part: this all under Linux! Now I understand why those Startrek computers never crash...
If I look at UNIX, at POSIX, at all those standards which have been used for many many years, I see a tendens. Those "old" standards are really very good. They serve precisely what a computer user needs. My believe is that we should keep with the old standards and alter them slightly when it is necesarry, and try to make as few new standards as possible. Those old standards have been tested and tested and tested, and that's why they are so good.
Like said above because you'll need an ordinary modem connection for upload, it won't push the telephone costs. And if you want a satelite uplink it will cost you money, a huge lot of money.
We've been asking for such an option for an outdoor lan-party here in Europe, the total cost of rent for one year would be around 400,000 dollars (800,000 dutch guilders). Besides, the ISP which with you're connecting (here in West-Europe) is mostly relying on cached stuff. As soon as you try to obtain stuff which is not cached (newsfeed, slashdot, freshmeat etc.), the connection is very slow.
Therefor, I think a satelite link has too much disadvantages to be ever cost-effective in the near future, however I don't know how the situation in the States is.
uhm, alot i guess... too much, --waay-- too much...
what is a reboot for actually? i can remember doing it once a long long time ago, but I can't remember why...
That's why we have more than one tty. 256 to be exact, and even more if you compile your kernel with more.
Way to go SpaceCadet...
Completely off-topic but: You might wan't to get a good virusscanner: there are some virusses that fsck up with the IDE devices (however they were not originally designed to do that :-). I've had the same problem with a form-a virus. After removing the virus, everything worked all fine (this was for my parents, I don't use Windows)
Some useless features:
3D text (I've seen this many times, but applied very bad at all places)Paperclip buddy (complete madness, useless waste of hdd space and processor), luckily you can disable it
HTML editing Besides this is not a task of a document processor, I think M$ applied it poorly and even _if_ you want to use Word for HTML editing it doesn't produce what you want.
Galery I never used it, and I don't want to use it either. Complete nonsense.
Much much more Believe me, I've seen alot of useless features in the complete office set of M$, I really don't have the time to write them all down, just look for yourself.
If we compare LaTeX with any Wordprocessor out there, you must admit that if LaTeX has a userfriendly interface which would produce better results and wouldn't be overloaded with these useless features.
For as far as I can see, most sysadmins at schools are underpayed sysadmins who are only familiar with mouse: to install NT. No I'm not kidding, I can still remember my last school where they completely lowformatted a Linux proxy (installed by a student) and installed WinProxy just because the networkcard had broken down, and they didn't knew how to install the drivers for a new one under Linux. I've tried (at this school) at the sysadmins to install Linux on one or two machines, so some geeks out here can work more efficiently. The answer was no. Their reasons where obvious: because they don't know how to secure any unix alike system they don't want it. Right now they are trying to protect their systems with a mixture of WinDose and Novell, so far no luck I'm afraid, DOS is wide open, and so is telnet/ftp/http/ssh/whatever.
My thought? As long as there are underpaid sysadmins with only a MCSE certificate, there won't be any Linux.
Too bad 90% here can't see them, though... Lynx forever :)
BTW, you can however download seejpeg or aaview to view the images... well, maybe the last clue turns up when looked through aalib...
I think you can't say for sure it is the word colour that changed into color in the States. What I heard lately was that not the American language but the english language has changed the most the past 200 years. Even more: the American language nowadays closely resembles the English spoken in England 200 years ago. :)
Probably there is a link to relative information about this, but I can't really find it
sorry, this is the wrong page, moderate this down please ;)
on m$'s site :) The page has some links to other pages also containing the news, so: let the slashdot effect try m$ servers *grin*
Sorry, there should be more out there right now
What I am wondering is if this M$ breakup would eventually help other OS'es. IMHO: No... Linux has stated his point the last 1.5 year to show the public that stable, quick and not expensive OSes can exist. Many companies are now turning over to Linux, and I'm quite confinced that this trend will continue. To be honest: I would like to see this battle till the end: Open-source vs. M$... Well, on the other hand: Maybe Netscape could get a hang on the public again after this break-up. We'll see... (sorry for my English, I'm at school and have no spellingchecker here)
Sorry I've not yet seen Win2000 in detail so I can't refer on that.
However, I think M$ makes a huge step with Win2000 and I'm very curious how this new Windoze version will affect Linux and it's users.
I work in a "multimedia" part of a bookstore here in the Netherlands (just for getting some extra money). We support Linux a lot and hence we sell about 6 different distributions, many documentation and also some games. What I've seen here so far: Transport Tycoon II, Civ, a 3D tactical game and some other (smaller) games.
My oppinion on games under Linux is very simple.
Linux still needs some improvement to make it just as good for games as Windows or DOS.
Compare Windows/DOS with Linux
Windows/DOS :
Single user: no security problems, so coders have much more freedom in accessing hardware
Good libraries: I can tell you many bad things about Windows, but DirectX is a good library
Good hardware support: nuff' said
Linux (or any other unice)
Multi user: coders have less freedom because of kernel design which prohibits direct access to the hardware unless run as suid root.
Libraries: I've got to admit: mesa is getting better and better. It wouldn't be bad if we had mesa as standard for every game developed under Linux
Hardware support: Get's better and better (look at nvidea's fast driver support for it's latest card)
Looking at the differences: Linux is not far from it's goal as gaming platform. But do we really _need_ those games? I don't know for sure, but for as far as I know, most gamers still use Windows as their main platform, and I think they don't really see the need for changing to another os.
I agree with you for 99%
:)
Now 1% of reality:
1) I've not yet seen framecapable text browsers
2) I like to play a game now and then, i've not yet seen a svgamode quake 3 version
3) there is no spoon
Other 99%
1) Textmode works much faster than having to grab that mouse every now and then
2) Textmode takes up much less memory (does it takes up any memory?)
3) I don't want to see vi in an Xterm