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Slackware Being Spun Off
gaj writes, "The answer to "What about Slack?" given the WCCDROM/BSDi merger has been answered. Patrick & Co. (literally now!) are spinning off into a new company called (oddly enough) Slackware Linux, Inc. They've confirmed this on the Slackware site. " BTW, Patrick will be next week's Interviewee - so start thinking of questions.
Well, I bothered to read the link in the hopes that it would shed some more light on this, but it doesn't say much more than what the posting here does. So who's going to distribute / publish Slackware? Will it still be Walnut Creek?
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For the first two years the only distro I knew was Slackware and things were "weird" in RH2.1 in my view at that time.
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Still, when talk falls on Sl.W, people kinda finds it "outdated", mostly because they ran it once and now they don't so it must be outdated.
All is a matter of taste, but last I checked it worked more than fine, it even still installs from 3.5"'s, and it may save some old notebooks from the
:-) = I am happy
:^) = I am happy with my big nose
C:\> = I am happy with my OS
dunno abt slackware but the site is ugly as hell.
Now that they're their own company, they can continue their proud tradition of not announcing security updates (so that, like OpenBSD, they can sweep them under the rug and pretend the holes never existed), fraudulently renumber their releases in leaps and bounds, etc. But now they'll make lots of money doing it. And this is a good thing?
How much longer will the open source community stand idly by while it is used as slave labor by the "stealth-capitalists".
At least with Microsoft you KNOW they want your money. At least when you write closed source software you GET PAID IN GOOD OLD FASHIONED UNITED STATES DOLLARS.
How much longer will impoverished open source coders allow themselves to be used in this way , while the IPO $$hungry suits rip them off ?
Do they enjoy being violently gang-raped by the forces of unfettered rampant capitalism, while the open source apologist stand by and wring their powerless hands ?
The open source revolution has gone too far. Its time for us to take back ownership of our work. If this means closed source and patents, so be it. Why should the capitalist devil have all the best tunes ?
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I hope they don't mess with the Slackware distro. IMHO, it the best Linux out there. (Not that this matters - I just want Slackware kept going in the same style as always).
Fortunately, now we have yet another Linux-focused company to watch.
That's somewhat disturbing. I immediately had visions of the Slackware core team skipping and twirling down the street, all decked out in pastel colors, taped glasses and little pointy elf shoes. Ugh, I need more coffee.
More race stuff in one place,
than any one place on the net.
I am not exactly sure about my feelings when I read this article. For sure I am not glad that the new company has decided not to support Slackware.
Then again, perhaps it's better this way. Because, even if I haven't been following the financial situation of Walnut Creek, I almost can bet it's not very good. Correct me if I am wrong, but from the agreement (i.e. the merger contract) it seems that BSD Inc bought itself a large portal. One that has been very popular for years (not only in the Linux side of the world) and which could bring them come more popularity. Which for the moment the need just as much as they need air. Let's face it : who is (Free)BSD ? No, I'm not throwing stoones at them (I wouldn't dare since I never used their OS) - I'm just looking at their share of the OS market. am I right, or are they in the Other Unices slice ?
On the other hand it seems unlikely that Walnut Creek would give up a Linux distribution, knowing that the trend is pointing towards a Linux growth.
Conclusion : this is a takeover like any other (see also AOL and Netscape) nicely disguised in a merger (lately it seems very fashionable to merge your company with another one).
Who has to loose the most ? The Linux community. Or maybe not. Slackware may survive and I will be among the first to enjoy that. Because I always liked their distribution, because it is the first one I bought, because it is so damn' cool.
And if they don't succeed I wouldn't wonder in about two years to see BSD-WC releasing Slackware 9.0 (yes - it does mean 7.0 + 2.0 - skipping 8.0).
Would't it be a good idea to just shut down slackware?
I know lots and lots of people use slackware and it is supposed to be a quite nice distro (haven't tried it) but if these people came out and said something like:
"We are going to start working on free tutition software for poor children in africa instead of maintaining slackware. The world doesn't need 20 linux distros."
I know this post is a bit stupid, silly and idealistic but it does seem like the "community" is more geared towards making X look pretty than making a difference.
- Are they going to go public or, will they remain privately held?
- What about a revenue stream? How the heck are they going to raise long term funding?
- Can I get in on the ground level as an investor? If I do, will there be dividends?
and many more. As a user who is interested in the long term health of Linux I'd like to hear more of the details.My office has been taken over by iPod people.
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Of course, most will disagree with me, and I'm not here to start holy wars, just to praise a great distribution. In my view, the spin-off is good news. I fear that the larger the company Slackware is associated with, the more pressure they would feel to change (i.e. become more like RedHat) Their continued independance reassures me that they will stay true to form.
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My office has been taken over by iPod people.
Too much criticism here, slashdot readers! Nobody knows for sure what SlackInc will become, but if the past is any indication, it won't be another redhat.
Best wishes in new endeavors, Slack team. Keep those uncluttered, beautifully stable releases coming!
MANkind? What? I can only assume that you are talking about the professional wrestler of that name, because in my world (green, third from sun), the dominant species has TWO genders, and is called "humankind". I'm sick and tired of people always assuming that just because I'm a girl I don't know anything about computers. Actually I have Red Hat 6.0 and am learning Python. And I don't take kindly to people acting as if I don't exist. Not in the classroom, not in the street and not on the Internet. Mankind, my pert little ass.
i don't fully agree in the way you say it, however I understand you don't like the position of RedHat inbetween other distro's.
Everytime I see the name RedHat i think about:
1. why did Rasterman _really_ quit redhat?
2. is redhat having an eye on BeOS?
3. will they still support opensource software when they think they can handle it alone?
4. why are rpm's stupid? and...
5. why do i have the feeling _I_ am in control when I use Slack, and don't have that feeling with RedHat?
ok, for now I don't really bother with RedHat, for as far as I can see out of the facts they are just the most successfull Linux distro at this moment. Some years ago Slack was the most successfull. Maybe in two years, Debian will be the most successfull, you'll never know.
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First, I was not being gender specific, and second, how do you know what gender I am? Get off of your horse and quit your political correctness attitude. It is this liberal bullsh@#$ that divides us, not a general term, that, up until a few years ago, meant: Mankind: THE HUMAN RACE If you ain't human, I'll withdraw the comment.
Every time I post to this damn forum with an honestly held sincere opinion, it is moderated down as "flamebait" or "troll" or "offtopic".
The zealotry and orthodoxy on display here is worthy of the Spanish Inquisition, or early 80's Iran.
I ask the moderators, please, take the crack pipe from your mouths before moderating posts like this down.
Not everyone shares your views. Different view points can coexist. Can't we all just get along ?
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Laughed my arse off on that one!
So what? windows is the most successfull os at the moment, does that make it the best? To me people choosing RedHat just because it is popular are even more stupid then those using windows!
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They should just shut the fuck up and take orders, as evolution designed them to do. Since most men will never accept women as equals, women are just being deliberately destructive and divisive by demanding something they'll never get.
They're not equal, they're different, so unless you want a lesbo-dyke Brave New World where all people are forced by law to be androgynous, you'd better face facts.
Women are not equal. Women CAN NOT BE equal. Women SHOULD NOT TRY to be equal.
Enough liberal bullshit!
I use Slackware and have since Q2'95. I've been tempted to get over my quirks with RedHat and bite the bullet and migrate from my preferred distribution. (Various reasons - most of you will be fully aware of what they are).
This news will certainly delay this move and I hope to find a more professional gilt-edged version of Slackware 7.1 (or 8) on the horizon which has more support from third parties.
Is it just me or are other people infuriated by organisations such as 3dfx only distributing their stuff in rpm format?
More like (Score: -1, Karma Whore). He includes a link to slackware.com, copies-and-pastes one line of text -- and this is informative??!!?
Wake up, moderators. This is Redundant, not Informative, at best.
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I don't understand your logic. Let me clear some things up here.
Most people who post here, and read here, are typically users who are a part of, or sympathetic to the open source community. We either work on it in OUR OWN TIME, or we use it and act as cheerleaders and critics to those who do the work. The saying goes that we are our own worst critics. This drives the community and makes the product better. When you slam and take away the freedom to 'Innovate' (as your company, M$, loves to claim it does - innovate), you stifle creativity and competition. You tell all of us that we are slaves and slave supporters. That is an opinion, and for that reason, Slashdot allows you to post. But that you tell us what we are not, that begs for a flamebait status.
Second, to everyone else, RedHat is not the M$ of the opensourced community. They have their own direction-- the same attitude that drives this community. They don't conform, and they just happen to be successful.
Lastly, Slak rocks. That it requires such a hands on approach to do what a few mouse clicks might in another distro, gives the user a real feel of the OS. I think all Linux users should try it out-- go back to whatever else you have before after you have tried it -- This will give you a better grasp on what it is that you use -- namely, the center piece of a movement that business and marketing people don't understand.
DMG, I ask you, have you tried the product that we hype/slam/support/enjoy/trash/are passionate about? If you have -- it was with the wrong attitude.
No, it's not the pretty X that makes Slack great.
I've installed Red Hat and Slackware. I have machines at home running Red Hat 5.0 and Slackware 7. I admin both Slackware and Red Hat. I configure, compile, and install software on both. I can make valid comparisons between Slackware and Red Hat. I don't have any ground to stand on when talking about other distros, so I won't talk about other distros.
I use Slackware on my personal workstation and Red Hat on a machine that I don't use for much other than network routing. I don't fool much with the Red Hat machine, since I have it configured the way I like it. I didn't pick Red Hat to use as a gateway for any logical reason. I just had that machine available that had Red Hat on it at the time, so I configured it as a gateway.
I chose Slackware for my desktop workstation because I like the Slackware philosophy and it fits the way I work. Slackware has a more streamlined configuration that is better suited to manual changes with a text editor than is Red Hat's. I can configure Red Hat by hand, if I must, but Red Hat's SysV style of init is more suited to configuration by software. Overall, this makes Slackware more flexible because you can add scripts to rc.local or remove scripts from rc.d and worry less about breaking things than with Red Hat. Also, when you want some daemon banished from your machine for good, you don't have to remove a link from three or four directories. You can comment it out of one script and be done with it.
I am a tinkerer. I like to know how things work. I like to try different changes to see how they affect the system. I install from source, and you are kind of required to do so with Slackware since most RPMs are designed for some other system. That said, RPMs will work with Slackware, if you create the proper rc.d subdirectories first. Slackware still uses SysVInit, though inittab is set up more like BSD. Anyway, as I was saying, I install from source. I like to peruse the source of most applications before installing. And, yes, I install from source on Red Hat, too. I most recently installed OpenSSH on my Red Hat box. The big bonus of installing this way is there's no RPM database to get corrupted.
Slackware is great for someone who wants to learn about GNU/Linux and really understand what goes on under the hood. It's easier than Red Hat to install and to configure by hand. The rc scripts are all in one directory for the most part and it's easy to find where some daemon gets run so you can shut it down by commenting it out of the script.
If I were to create my own distro, I'd start from Slackware and build up from there. I think we need more GNU/Linux distros, not less. Right now, I feel that there are a lot of users' needs that are not being addressed by the larger distros. They may have three products (a Workstation, Server, and Web Server models) but those don't address everyone's needs. Slack, of course, comes in just one flavor, but that one flavor has most of what you need. Yet, Slackware is not perfect for all situations or all users, just as Red Hat is not perfect in all situations, either.
If Patrick and the gang can't carry the Slackware torch for some reason, then I'll be more than happy to pick it up and run with it. I practically have Slack 7 mirrored on my machine, anyway.
Just be sure to wear the gold uniform when you beam down -- you know what happens when you wear the red one.
As a Slackware user I have to admit, I like it when I see Slackware news on Slashdot. Its been on twice in as many days (truely a records for Slack?). However it seems to have had two different icons, with the Slackware Updates we had the "GNU's Not Unix" topic and with this topic we had the "Linux" topic (which seems more logical).
However, I believe its about time that Slackware gains its own topic and respectfully ask da Management for one.(A Slackware stylised "S" perhaps?)
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I think they need a slogan, to add a business edge to their image, while still remaining true to the spirit and character we all love. How about
Any others?
If I had my moderator status I'd mod it up. Agree?
1. His ego did not fit in the new building.
2. No.
3. Yes.
4. They aren't.
5. You are on crack.
This is the most sensible comment I've read on slashdot all year. You'll get moderated down but thanks for saying what's on everybody else's mind for us. Thanks.
Indeed incredibly ugly...
Daily, I read through the alt.linux, alt.os.linux and comp.os.linux newsgroups, and by far the smallest number of "it doesn't work" messages are from Slackware installs. Most of the problems come from users of the other distros when their nice MSWindows-like gui-based all-in-one Wizard maintenance tools don't do the job. And by far, the best answers come from those people (like those who use Slackware) who don't use those gee-whiz tools, but know their systems from experience.
If PV keeps up the good work, I couldn't care less if they were spun off or still supported by Walnut Creek. Slackware is by far the best distribution for those who expect to use Linux in serious work. It's even a pretty good distro for those who want to have a pretty desktop machine.
To those who post the "for dummies" questions in comp.os.linux.*, I say "Get Slack!".
"values of beta will give rise to dom!"
Perl, in case anyone else out there does not know by now, is a language that: looks like line noise, has nonstandard regular experessions, uses references to obfuscate meaning, only runs on Linux, can't be used to build real programs - only crappy little CGI scripts and finally, is far too slow and insecure for enterprise use. Taintperl notwithstanding
Finally, Perl is not commercial, and I don't need to spell out what a disaster "open source" could be to an enterprise hoping to make some $$$s. Please look beyond the zealotry for once, and think before posting.
thank you.
I propose you change that to "APERSONS". Also, "woman" and "human" should be changed to "woperson" and "huperson", in the same way that "salesman" was modified.
That's somewhat disturbing. I immediately had visions of the Slackware core team skipping and twirling down the street, all decked out in pastel colors, taped glasses and little pointy elf shoes.
No, I'd expect that if they were on the Berzerkeley side of the tunnel, not the Walnut Creek side. Although, I have to admit the mental image of Patrick Volkerding dressed up like a harlequin, whirling like a dervish down Telegraph is VERY disturbing! Actually, with a name like "Slackware" they should probably move out into the valley (not the Valley!) somewhere, say Turlock or Modesto.... Maybe they can pioneer the concept of three-story Gelco-space?
Which brings up an interesting point about the merger: now that they are just going to be the "BSD people", are they going to move back to the Berkeley side of the tunnel and take the Walnut Creek CDROM out of Walnut Creek the same way they just took "Walnut Creek" out of Walnut Creek CDROM?
This is my opinion and my opinion only. Incidentally, IANAL.
MOO;IANAL.
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Political correctness? I'm suggesting that you use "man" to mean a man, and "person" to mean a person.
Sorry, you can't say "PERSON" and mean man or woman. The word "perSON" OBVIOUSLY mean "MALE", because it contains the word "SON", which means MALE CHILD.
I really hate people like you who claim to want our language to be gender-neutral, but who make this stupid mistake! When you make comments, and wish to refer to people in a gender-neutral way, you MUST use the word "PEROFFSPRING"!
For example, you can't use the word human. To be correct, you must use the words HUPEROFFSPRING.
If you're going to get pedantic, you have to go all the way, baby.
Throw 'em all in the Pratchett scorpion pit I say - on one wall it clearly says "Learn the words" - no more than they deserve for the nightmares they must engender in small children... :)
Regards,
Denny
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Umm, pardon me. I'm not that keen on Perl myself, but I do know that it runs on many more platforms than Linux. We've got it on OS/2 boxes and Solaris here at work, as well as Win32. I even noticed it on a hoary old machine that runs Windows 3.1 the other day (said hoary old machine really just hosts a TI DSP emulator).
I'd have to think hard to name a modern OS that Perl doesn't run on.
I suspect I won't be the only one responding to correct your ignorance.
I always thought that the stem man came from the Latin(?) for hand as it does in the word manual.
Thus, mankind are "the ones with the hands" -- the use of tools is what sets us apart from the other animals more than anything else.
Be careful. People in masks cannot be trusted.
Looking at the comments, I'm seeing a lot of postings to the effect that people can't see why Walnut Creek would want to "get rid of" a Linux distribution, looking at it from the standpoint that it might make them a lot of money.
;)
People, you need to step back and breathe the fresh, GNU air.
Walnut Creek is not doing this because it is a good business move. They are doing it in the same spirit that they have consistently shown to Linux, BSD, and all other open source projects. They are being the GOOD GUYS!
They know that there is a possibility that Slackware Linux will fall by the wayside once BSDI moves in. They don't want to see that happening, so they're cutting it loose before something bad happens to it.
The Walnut Creek Archives have been a bastion of open source software and championship for many, many years now. I'm sure that will not change. All they are trying to do is make sure that Slackware will sink or swim on its own merits, not go unattended because of the merger with BSDI.
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You're a girl and you use Redhat 6?! Wow you must be an 3113t3 h4x0r to learn that! You're just amazing. I'm glad to see that all females arn't assuming that all men are evil and such... jeez. You give us girrrlz that use Debian, Slack and Solaris a bad name. Grow up, you hormone-imbalanced teenager.
Since this is one of those rare occasions when Slackware gets mention on the Slashdot site, I think it would be a good time to talk about the origins of the name, and the spirit, of Slackware.
Slackware's name comes from JR "Bob" Dobbs and the Church of the Subgenius. I know that there haven't always been friendly relations between the Subgenius folks and the Slack distro, but it's still an important historical note to recognize.
The Subgenius must have Slack! etc. etc.
I just thought it worth mentioning, because Slackware has cool countercultural roots.
Keep up the good work Pat V. And thanks, from a fellow Minnesotan.
Your answer to #1 is WAY off. How about the manager at RHAT who refered to "The crowd that festers around" rasterman? How professional was that? If you spent your time as a professional programmer just to have some IDIOT in management crap on you like that, would you take it lying down? I don't think so.
Hey Rob, Thanks for that tarball!
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion." - Jed Babbin
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A long time ago, in the SLS (or was it LSL?) & MCC days (1992?)... a distro was untarring a bunch of files to disk. It was ugly, but adventurous.
Slackware was my next stop, and it was a nice change from it's predecessors, a bit more organized. A while after that, RedHat came along. Now, in all my time on #Linux helping people out, I'd always suggest slackware. Not because it was 'better', but because it didn't try to automate anything. IF you wanted to learn Linux, I thought, you better to it the hard way, and tackle slackware. And I think I was right. The only reason I know as much as I do about linux is because of slackware's roughness.
The next step, several years later, was using linux in business. Redhat seemed to be growing fast, and there were commercial apps (backup software, etc) that supported redhat. so I went with redhat. It was surprisingly integrated (compared to slackware). I didn't like not knowing what it was doing though.. it did too much for me. It was messy (but rpm was kinda handy).
I tried debian, but it was a cluttered mess.
Then mandrake (6.1). Ahh.. that was nice. redhat, but cleaned up and integrated. But still redhat...
Then one day, I tried a newer version of Debian, mainly because I like their philosophy. I love it now! It's extremely clean, and the package management rocks.
I've had people tell me 'I don't want package management, I want to compile and do everythign myself all the time'. I don't disagree with these poeple, and if that's what they want to do.. debian holds nothing for them. But after compiling and updating the same things for 8 years, I'm quite happy to let the debian developers take care of the compiling/updating of most things and let apt take care of upgrading. It hasn't failed me yet.
So I guess I'm saying, it all depends on what you want, or what you need. If you already have a very strong grasp of linux, debian is a great tool. If you want to learn it in great detail, use slack.
Redhat is messy.
Granted, my tone was a bit emotional. But, if anything, that one was more Informative than the original post. Simply a wake-up call.
Please tell me what was invalid about any point I made. I'm really dying to know.
As for this meta-moderation thing I keep hearing about -- point me to it, so I can score the people who moderated up the other guy's post as (-1, Clueless).
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All i can say is, Good Luck to Patrick and the whole Slackware team. I'm sure that they will do well. I've been using slackware since kernel 2.0.27. I have tried other distros like Redhat and Suse but always came back to Slack. I just didnt like the way that Suse and Rh tried to do things behond your back, unlike slack. I find slackware's configuration fairly simple and straight forwards.
:( ).
I just hope that cd distribution doesnt get affected as i cant easly download slack at the moment (no proper net access
Anyhow, work bekons....
fuck off and die, kiddy fiddler. Some things just aren't funny, and talking about sexually abusing children is one of them.
Only great things deserve a place in the museum. I'm quite sure 100 years from now our museum will contain the first piece of Linux source code.
You know, I was reading along through your post disagreeing respectfully, until you barfed up this fragment of hysterical, hyperbolic gibberish. It was then that I realized that I was dealing with a mindless moron.
You are completely discredited by this remark. Take your feminist shit and shove it back up that black hole of yours.
I used to use Slack, back in the day when it was 3.4. The only complaint I had with it was that I virtually had to wipe the disk and start fresh for upgrading to a new version of Slack (see the upgrade.txt file in Slack if you don't believe me). I know RH 's upgrade isn't painless, but it sure is a lot easier than slack's? Will there be a way to make this easier with the next version of Slack?
"It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
Funny, you don't sound like someone who runs a business. So how would you know?
Well fuck me red, it's dictionary dot com boy again. You may kiss my black hole, but only once, and don't get into the habit. You and your little fuckwad here are having fun and games at the expense of sexually abused little girls. And then going back to write your shitty Perl code (or are you busy generating C++ bloatware today? Dickweed). I hope it shrivels up -- or in your case, since you're not even bothering to deny you've got a short dick, that it turns black and drops off.
I am in stitches here. "what about the children, what about the children?" Oh my god, Moderate this up and funny as HELL. I won't be kissin your black hole as I might find your previous victim still alive inside.
OOOOOhhhhhhhh, did you know that radical feminism is french for 'whore on the street'? Just and FYI.
Is Mr. Volkerding planning on bringing in more people to help him maintain the distribution?
Honestly, I wouldn't want to see that. I've been using Slackware for about a year now, and I like the fact that it's only maintained by one (fairly picky) person who is the current maintainer anyway.
Obviously, more people will have to be brought in to work for the new company (and I am accepting offers!!!), but please, please don't let anyone else help with maintaining Slack!
Mike
Sure, I have a thankless job. That's okay. I have a lot of (non
Heh.
You people are pathetic. Any time anybody disagrees with you or asks you to think, you throw a shrieking fit.
Really? I always thought that for your sort "radical feminist" was asshole-speak for "woman who won't date assholes. There's a lot of us about. So carry on, I'm sure that all those hot babes out there are just gaggin for a bad programmer who's fat and thinks that abusing ten year olds is funny. By the age of thirty, your balls will have gone from blue to indigo to fucking ultraviolet, my dear. You'll set off fire alarms. Then you'll lose your shitty $17,000 a year job administering systems for the local community college.
I suppose I should include something inflammatory here, or else you won't bother to respond. So here it is: Fuck off and die, and take your feminaziism with you.
(To set the record straight: Feminism is a Good Thing, but feminazis can kiss my ass.)
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I love the way kids like you get so upset when somebody questions their masculinity. Heh. I hope you don't mind if I ask you why you feel so threatened?
On second thought, never mind. I'd rather not know.
--ya know it. You're still an asshole, though, and so's your little friend.
Tell me the truth. Did you vote for Clinton. Because if you did, you contradict your useless verbage. If you did not, and voted conservative, then you go against your fear of children/woman discrimination stance you hold.
If you are referring to Earth, the dominant lifeform is bacteria. Always has been, always will be. The history of life on Earth is the history of bacteria, with a small percentage of largely irrelevant multicellular organisms thrown in as a sidebar.
Now, unless somebody wants to argue about what the politically-correct gender references for bacteria are, can we let this entire stupid thing drop? "Grammar Attacks" never convince anybody of anything, or solve anything. I commend to your attention Sun Tzu's work, The Art of War, which includes the advice "Take no action unless there is advantage to it."
And you still think that I'm female, so we're equal at best. Asshole. And, based on your views expressed here, I still hope you lose that job, blueballs.
How about turning the slackware site into an open NFS server or else adding FTP install to Slackware. Isn't it a little inconsistant to have Slack available only by FTP yet have only an NFS option for network installation?
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Fince advice, but I have one for you -- "If you're part of the problem, you're not part of the solution". Are you really sure that bacteria have "history", btw? Do they teach it at little bacteria desks in their little bacteria schools? History began with Thucydides, and is almost entirely the story of white men killing people for not being sufficiently like themselves. White people -- a bigger plague than bacteria.
Shriek and stamp your little feet all you like. You're living a long, long way in the past.
The punchline is that you're demanding exactly what you pretend I'm demanding: That people use inconvenient and foolish language in order to hide reality from poor tender little you. Aside from a few scattered rednecks and a few little boys with persecution complexes (and of course the Southern Baptists, who also think God will kill them if they get a blowjob), nobody these days uses the masculine gender to refer to women.
Go bang your little bible somewhere else -- Kansas would be a good choice. Nobody else cares. Nobody else is interested. You're a walking history lesson, and a boring one at that.
Come on folks lets compare apples to apples.
;) (j/kidding) but I know their distro inside and out.
I use slackware at work. It freed me from my WinNT partition. I have used all of the RedHats up to 6.1 even seen Mandrake 7 more than once. I've installed FreeBSD & Corel Linux. Most of the time just to see what they decided to do differently. I have a partition on my HD at home that gets whatever new linux comes out just to see the differences. I always go back home to Slackware.
It's easy to configure the scripts to make everything run the way you want it to. It doesn't come with RPM support out of the box, but rpm2tgz is a great program. Not only that. I personally prefer tar.gzipped files. I prefer to compile them and get a feel for the programmer who wrote the software.
People that used slak 0.0.0.1 shouldn't compare the early versions to redhat 6.5 or any other current distro. I think Rob Malda still has his Slackware Rant on his web page that he had trouble with one of the early versions.
...and my last beef with the slack discussion is this: Where can you find a more helpful group of people that can fix just about anything Slackware related within 24 hrs, or at least make suggestions that point you in the right direction than http://www.slackware.com/forum They are a good group of guys (and gals) that know the distro well.
I've never met Patrick Volkerding or any of the other crew involved with Slackware. Probably would ruin my image of them
Slackware 7 is right up there with the rest of the Linuces*. Try it, you'll see.
* I think that's the plural.
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Funny how our hosts argue which of them is more important. We can't help but laugh at this. You refer to yourselves as a lifeform? Give me a break. --anonymous mytochondrion
Even if this is from an AC I'd give you a point up on this one for the funny factor. Excellent! HAHAHAHahahahahha.....
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This ain't dmg, folks.
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Unlike many of you, I genuinely believe the real dmg isn't a troll, merely a non-geek who truly does not understand the open source culture. He seems like a fairly rational individual, clueless or misguided, but most likely not a troll.
This guy? Troll. Whiner. Flamebaiter. Whatever. Ignore him, there's enough flamage
Now, a comment or two about the Slackware spinoff to help the old
IMHO this is the Right Thing for Slackware, being spun off. I've always had my doubts about whether being under Walnut Creek's umbrella was the best thing for it anyway; after all, Walnut Creek's biggest focus has been FreeBSD. I don't know that that helps Slackware, since it's a bit like Microsoft sublicensing Darwin from Apple, tacking on DCOM and Win32, and releasing it as Win2K for Macintosh. Slackware is second-class to cdrom.com (anyone wishing to say otherwise should be directed to the fact that cdrom.com runs on FreeBSD).
Spinning Slackware off will finally give it the strength to be a player again (face it, there's something nice about using the oldest still-extant distribution, but I use RedHat because it's better than my last Slack experience (v3.4)). I say more power to Volkerding &c. This situation can only help.
/Brian
I was about to suggest a picure of Bob Dobbs, but I like your idea better.
Save the whales. Feed the hungry. Free the mallocs.
dmg, or Dumb Marketing Guy, is a rather ingenius troll. His opinions aren't so far out that they can be considered blatent trolling. Interesting concept. Either way, he links to his posts in one of the sid= discussions, here, along with quite a few other trolls.
Interesting way of trolling. But come on, "Why should the capitalist devil have all the best tunes ?" WTF is that supposed to mean?
hugs and kisses
ejs
Troll. Plain and simple. Thanks, jsm.
hugs and kisses,
ejs
Get a life. Mankind does not just refer to men, it refers to all humans.
Actually, I usually just telnet into the OS/2 boxes here at work to edit CVS labelling scripts. I use the vi editor to do so, as I can't bring up the OS/2 version of Emacs over the network. Every once in awhile I actually have to sit down and use the OS/2 box to move files around, but even then I usually use the OS/2 version of Midnight Commander.
You're really just here to spew out flamebait, though, aren't you? Sorry if I'm not getting angry enough.
Since time immemorial, or at least the time of Old English, "man" and "mankind" refer to all humans. This is the primary reason that the words "menkind" and "humen" do not exist. In fact, the *only* time "man" does not refer to a male human is when it is used to distiguish it from "woman".
The word "human" is defined in my dictionary as "of, pertaining to, or characteristic of mankind". It also shows that it is derived from the latin "humanus", which gives a clue as to the origin of your hated "man".
Stop trying to mold the English language to fit your narrow notions of political correctness.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
According to the Slackware website, the team consists of PV and three others. I'd say that they are doing pretty good so far; let's hope that this reorg doesn't disturb them.
"values of beta will give rise to dom!"
jsm
ya know it
From a distance I saw some huperoffsprings playing volleyball and I thought to myself, "that looks like fun!" But by the time I got there, they had taken down the net and walked off with the ball. But it's still a beach so I decided to dig around a bit looking for sandcrabs.
So you tell me, you got bored, gave up and admitted you are a man, and thought the thread was over. So why did you come back? Just to see if someone else bit your hook?
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
Enforced equality....
Pardon me for pointing this out, but I did not attend University for 6 years (BSEE/MSCS) to be equal. Equality is for weak minded gender feminists and homosexuals.
In the future, confine your sexist, gender feminist, hate speech that masquerades as "the pedegogy of the oppressed" to the following forums:
Gender feminist forums (slashdot is a technology discussion forum, not your personal enforced "equality" forum).
Dyke bars, where I'm quite sure you're more than welcome.
all other platforms that deny reality and attempt to mold all into an fascist rendition of "equality."
All hyberbole and metaphor aside, what passes for "radical feminism" is fascism. It promotes chauvinism, censorship, maternalism, pseudo-anthropology, scapegoating, mystical identification with nature, tricked-up pseudo-pagan religosity, enforced uniformity of thought and even appearance.
Come on gentlemen, let's relegate this hateful female to her rightful place: the dustbin.
BTW - Slackware rocks!
This agent by whom I mean the "feminist" Anonymous Coward, is what is referred to as a "pink boy", in the official Sub-Genius text. Therefore he is clearly, by definition, not female (see the "boy" part of the appelation) and therefore his ranting may be taken with a grain of salt.
To "Pink Boy" the AC: I hope you will accept J.R. "Bob" Dobbs as your personal Lord and Savior, and leave your servitude to themightyandterribleJehovah1. Fnord.
All the creatures will die, And all the things will be broken. That's the law of samurai. (Jubai, 1605)
As J.R. "Bob" Dobbs would say, "You'd pay to know what you really think." Nothing can be considered more idealistic than that.
All the creatures will die, And all the things will be broken. That's the law of samurai. (Jubai, 1605)
Yeah, and now look where your Sun Tzu is now. DEAD
Now, I agree with you on all points, and would have stayed out of this little flamewar were it not for the fact you denigrate the glorious Perl! Aiya! It may not be a perfect language, but it's just so damn fun to use.
"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate"
After going though RedHat 5.1 and 5.2 when it was all just Black Magic, 6.0 :), and
/etc/apt/sources.list, make a proper :)).. apt, yum.
:)
when it was just "argh", I was finally introduced to Slackware (by the time
the 5th person told be to "get Slack 7!", I though I better do it
I finally just "clicked" with it and things started to make sense.
It may not be the most advanced distro in the world as far as package
systems etc come into it, but I think this is GOOD for new users; it reduces
the "black magic" level and makes it easier to understand the system. The
startup system is nice; SysV init isn't exactly friendly, especially to the
new user; discovering how the init scripts worked was a major moment in my
learning of Linux... despite being "non standard", I found it very KISS.
Upgrading.. well, yes, that's a pain in the arse, and in the end I just
installed Corel on my main desktop Linux box and turned it into Debian
(yes, it is possible, it is easy (fix
lilo config, apt-get update/dist-upgrade et voila
Slack remains my second fave distro; I use it on my gateway and it performs
flawlessly. Definately a nice distro to start on, and to keep going with if
you are happy with the simple package system and fairly poor upgradability.
One amusing quote from an ex RedHat 6 user I know who had switched to
Slackware 7 was "I don't believe it, everything works! everything compiles!"
My Slack 7 CD was the best £2 I ever spent
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66686 - CPU of the beast. 66687: Math Coprocessor of the Beast.
hupersonkind contains "son" -- so: huperchildkind.
I dropped by tonight to read some news about Slackware - little did I know that I would have walk through the Valley of Burning Trolls!
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I think the Slack "spin off" is great! Trust me, the "core team" will continue to make Slack in the fine tradition it has established.
There is a distinct difference between Incorperation and Commercialization - This is probably no more than a smart business move... and face it, this is business - and no where does it say that business has to be straight laced, uptight and profit driven... hell, look at who owns
BTW: The third planet from the Sun, when viewed from a substantial distance, is BLUE! Sheeeesh
Congratulations to Patrick Volkerding and everyone connected with Slackware. That's awesome. It's good to hear about good things happening to someone from the Fargo-Moorhead area. That's because I'm from that area myself. I hope the sure-to-be IPO rakes it in. Cha-ching!
I am not a lawyer.
gee, I can see it now... Boss: okay $NEW_NONTECHNICAL_HIRE , welcome to $LINUX_HATING_COMPANY! Your job is to write garbage posts on slashdot.org about anything inflammatory all day long. For doing this, you'll get paid 1/3 of what we pay our programmers. Any questions? no? Great! start posting garbage, then.
Could I just ask what possessed you to reply to a troll at this stage of development? I'm doing some market reserach for my own trolling, and would like to understand what goes through the mind of a serial mark.
Errr well yeah. What's your point?
Did it not cross your mind that this might have been a troll? I can forgive the first few victims, but you are given the very strong clue that there is a huge-ass thread above your post. What on earth were you thinking of? If I get some idea of what goes through the mind of a serial troll-feeder, I will probably be able to improve my trolling.
Thanks in advance for your response.
I do it for the sheer joy of pissing of arrogant, misogynistic assholes like you. What company pays you, for a job which is presumably far more prestigiopus than merely writing drivel, and why the fuck aren't you doing it?
If you think that an obviously Saxon word like "man" is Latin, and has anything to do with hands, then there's not very much hope for you. "Homo" is Latin for man. Homme, hombre, etc
Genesis 5:2 reads "He created them male and female and blessed them. And when they were created, he called them 'man'." I expect the anti-Christian flaming to start about now.
It is quite clearly defined in any English dictionary that one of the meanings of "man" is "the human race". It is true that another meaning is "a male adult of the human race", but it is fact that "mankind" means "the whole general mish-mash of humans and their society".
If you are that bitter about the use of the word "mankind" I advise you to chill out a bit. Focusing on imaginary and trivial issues like that will not help improve the sexism in the world, it will only give "those militant feminists" a worse reputation.
Ooh - off-topic and (IMHO) insightful! What will the moderators do?! "(-1, Fool)"?
ac.uk
If the Bible does indeed say that, it's the only English sentence in the entire book, so I think your self-assigned "fool" moderation would be appropriate. But enough of that, I have more important issues to discuss
What possessed you to feed this obvious troll. And I know it is a troll, because I wrote it; it succeeded beyond my wildest dreams. Given that there's a huge thread above this, marking it out as a troll, why reply? I need to understand the psychology of compulsive troll-feeders, in order to improve my trolls.
thank you
Now, how many version numbers does this warrant?
Chris Hagar
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
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Sorry, couldn't resist the troll...
According to babelfish, the English word hand translates to mano in Italian, and hand in German.
The English word man translates to uomo in Italian and mann in German.
Clearly the words man and hand are of Germanic origin. But the Latin stem man means hand.
THIS IS THE SOURCE OF THE CONFUSION
Hmmmm .. sadly, I hate that alphanumeric shit, so my membership of your clan is likely to remain strictly honorary. Rather like Shirley Bassey's honorary membership of my gay sex club.
You are Trolling, Sir. I did not Bite, Sir. Have a Nice Day, Sir. Fuck you very much.
At Misogynosoft, the $ goes at the end of a Visual Basic variable, not the beginning. Use of Perl is punishable by being forced to twiddle the switches of Herr Gate's Altair to load his bootstrap code while you lick the toes of the boot to which the straps are attached.
You have obbviously been furiusly lubricating it with vaseline, producing buttloads of DNA evadence.
Nah, the comments are there. The URL was just wrong. Here's the right one:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=t rolltalk