Accidents are senseless, suicide has actual reason.
So does murder. You're ok with murder?
As with everything, the answer is "it depends". I am sure you are able to come up with a scenario which makes murder best option available.
Where did that "suicide is cowardly" nonsense came from?
Suicide is an escape; a coward's escape. It's also the ultimate in selfishness.
Says your holy book?
It is his life and he has the right to do with it whatever he pleases. Including ending it.
And it's the GP's right to try and do the decent thing and try to talk him out of it, instead of the evil you are doing by cheering the GGP's suicide on.
Decent thing is to let him decide what he wants to do with *his* life. His, not yours or anybody else.
What kind of a God damned monster are you? OH, I see, an athiest, maybe even an antitheist. Carry on, then. You'll find out in the end, poor fool.
Suicide at least is surefire way to end all past, present and future problems.
Again, you're going to be pretty damed surprised when your own end comes.
Your religious ranting is not even worth responding to.
Life is a gift and your misery is in your mind only.
Whose gift to whom?
External circumstances do not matter, only what you think matters. Do you really want to hurt and destroy the love of your life like this? She would be devastated by this. Do you have a mother, father? Other family? What will this do to them?
If external circumstances do not matter, then he is hardly "destroying" love of his life. She will get over it and find someone else in time.
I know, the death of someone close to you is a pain you can never erase, but if that person had killed themselves it would be so much worse because it would be so senseless.
Accidents are senseless, suicide has actual reason.
You seem like someone who cares about others, so why would you do so selfish and cowardly an act as this? And cause all this pain to all those who love you?
Where did that "suicide is cowardly" nonsense came from?
Don't. Get help. You don't have to do this.
It is his life and he has the right to do with it whatever he pleases. Including ending it.
It gets better.
Yeah, and dozen other things get worse. Suicide at least is surefire way to end all past, present and future problems.
Or some plastic explosives, fragmentation grenades or maybe nerve gas. And yet for some insane reason those are still regulated. Why bother? If someone wants grenade or dozen, he is going to get it anyway.
Do gun nuts really see world as set of binary options? You don't have to make access to guns impossible, just make it hard. Then only worst criminals will have one and you are pretty unlikely to meet one. Much better situation than every local hooligan, two-bit mugger and meth addict running around with a gun.
I agree fully. Who the hell those gubbermint stooges think they are to forbid me from owning canister of sarin, some landmines hidden all around my property (it is *mine* after all) and kg or two of enriched U235. I am free man and this is attack on my liberty!
Judges in NZ (and Australia... and Britain) aren't elected and, by US standards, are not beholden to party politics. Furthermore, except in exceptional circumstances, no bureaucrat has the power to prevent a judge from hearing a matter.
This is generally true in the USA for Federal Judges as well.
Except for the last sentence. In the USA, there are no "exceptional circumstances" that permit a bureaucrat to prevent a judge from hearing a matter.
Said bureaucrat just needs to invoke "state secrets privilege" and case is instantly dismissed.
Because if they don't, things may become much more difficult for them. They really don't want local police or FBI pulling Megaupload on them and grabbing all their servers as evidence next time some crime is investigated.
Ok, so why stop at pedophilia / ephebophilia? Why not report people openly admitting to smoking marijuana, or underage persons talking about drinking, or people with active lifestyle pictures when they're claiming disability?
Pedophilia is special case - mention adult trying to have sex with a kid and any trace of reason goes out of the window. Reporting marijuana smokers could attract some bad press while nobody sane will dare to publicly speak up against monitoring for suspected pedophiles.
Facebook is pulling the opposite direction and it's eventually going to cost them. If they get in the business of being pro-active in stopping crime, they're only going to wind up beholden to being pro-active in stopping all crime. They open themselves to liability, too.
Whatever they do, it is going to cost them. I guess they analysed the situation and decided that becoming voluntary source for law enforcement is going to be less costly than alternatives.
I can see it now, "I had a date and I looked at their Facebook profile but there was no indication they were a rapist, yet during discovery we found a message send 6 years ago about how this guy 'hates women'. Facebook knew this was a dangerous person and made no attempt to warn others."
This is why any sensible online service explicitly disclaims responsibility for monitoring user communications.
Look through Facebook ToS and I bet you find all usual disclaimers. They may give some information to police, but it does not create any responsibility towards users.
Because if they don't, things may become much more difficult for them. They really don't want local police or FBI pulling Megaupload on them and grabbing all their servers as evidence next time some crime is investigated.
Yes. Write down the same text in, say, the top 10 major modern languages and writing systems (let's say, English, Spanish, Mandarin, Arabic, Hindi, French, Russian, Japanese etc).
No need. You're dealing with nuclear waste. Just draw a picture and provide it as a key. Show an image of a uranium atom with different colors or patterns for protons versus neutrons, then show the count of each in unary. Then give the name of the element in English or your choice of other languages.
Future archeologist: Hmm, and what is this? Of course, this must be some kind of religious idol. Probably holy symbol of sun worshippers.
It is important anyway - recently software (and especially game) companies have been pushing hard for internet distribution as a means to get around first sales doctrine.
uuuhaa! Talking about extreme!
You do realize there is a learning process, kids don't turn into adults in one day?
You cannot just dump social ethics and standards into them and expect them to learn!
'Turning into adult' is a slow process that starts at young age and is guided but constant pressure from parents to adapt to social norms. But many parents instead choose total leniency, 'let kids be kids' and then they are surprised when their precious snowflake gets completely unmanageable as teenager.
Those "kids" from TFA are 18 and 19, they are adults in eyes of law and at this point they should be able to take responsibility for their actions. If they were allowed to stay kids for 18 years and only now they wake up and notice things like 'social ethics', then parents failed badly. And you suggest even more leniency?
You do know that the human learning process is based on trial-error, right?
Also, what would you do if someone told you when you were a kid that you cannot play GTA / Left 4 death anymore because it is too violent? Would you just STFU and obey?
Trial and error works only if there are consequences of error. Otherwise why don't just repeat the error?
It is because of this restriction / impose the rules nonsense mentality that you and a lot others have that we are getting the internet filtered.
Yawn, why don't you accuse me of stealing candy from little kids too? "Internet filter" is needed only for parents that try to push part of responsibility for raising their kids to state. And you should have noticed that I am all for responsibility.
You seem to completely fail to understand how the mind of kinds work at that age. I'm no expert at psychology but this is plain obvious. Most of them are still in the process of developing their adulthood and when every adult around them seems to disagree with their thoughts, it is plain natural the kids start absorbing the thoughts from somewhere else which they identify with.
Who cares? It is "natural" for hungry predator to eat a human and yet we don't allow that. Those kids are going to live in society and they have to live by society standards, no matter how "unnatural" those standards are for them. They can either break and conform or spend their lives in place where they cannot be danger to others - prison.
In the streets, that person would probably be some group leader. Having that, then it is just hormones and the willing to impress others that makes them behave badly - because unfortunately, failing to respect others and destroying stuff is the easiest way to show that "you have the balls". THIS IS WHERE SOCIETY FAILS COMPLETELY.
The only failing I see here is that this kind of behaviour was not driven out of them earlier. Spare the rod, spoil the child.
At this age, kids actually need some good leadership. Sport teams actually provide that up to some point, with an adult coach giving good directions to kids while agreeing and motivating them during the games. Hackerspaces are a good place to motivate and giving them good directions too. But we need way more than that. Schools need extra-curricular practical activities....
So this is were I disagree with you. We don't need to call the police when they behave badly, we don't need to marginalize them! We do need to impress them and grab their attention and only them, we can teach them a valuable lesson.
Yes, of course. Lets make hooliganism mainstream to avoid "marginalizing them". I am honestly sick of idea that indulging every whim of a spoiled brat is a way to raise a child. Actions have consequences, that's the lesson they should be taught.
My guess is that as soon as they asked even slightly related question, the guy just could not stop himself from bragging about how he helps poor oppressed citizens keep their conversations private from teh evil regime. Of course they would focus on that.
Unless we find intelligent life living on Saturn, they're going to be a very long ways away.
Long way for us, yes. Which means we won't be able to do anything to them. Will opposite be true? Who knows.
Far enough to be extremely useful in the "stop being solar-centric, stop thinking some magical God invented man, everyone grow the fuck up" kind of way.
Right, I am sure everybody will immediately let go of their irrational thinking. Religions will adapt, as they always did to changes in man's understanding of the world.
But so far there's no plausible possibility of external risk at all. I'd be more worried about the religious zealots (of all denominations) and how they're going to react to having their minds forcefully opened to a bigger world.
The three scenarios you listed have essentially zero possibility of happening. Science rules the universe, not science fiction.
And you seem to be sure that we know enough of physics to be decide what is 'safe' distance. At end of 19th century Lord Kelving proclaimed that physics is finished, we pretty much know how the world works and only some loose ends are left to be tied. Then we got relativistic and quantum theories.
You are falling into the same trap.
Well, the thing is that this is not a game that gives a million every thousand tries. Instead it will give a complete surprise - maybe a million bucks, maybe a bullet to the head.
Why do you assume that result of finding aliens will be positive development? There are at least three possible scenarios with unknown probability of happening:
1) Welcome, lesser developed culture! Let us give you all our cool alien tech, cure cancer and end world hunger.
2) So you are humans? Nice, we don't really care. Go away and stop bothering us. Or maybe "Solaris" kind of contact.
3) Oh hello you poor defenseless bastards. We were just in a need of new food source/hunting ground/slave labour.
Actually this should be rewarded. MPAA already proved that downloading content without paying causes bazilions dollars of losses. Think of the children, ruin CP producers!
That's why it should be server-side effort. Switch as many websites as possible to https, use imaps and smpt+tls for email. Then the biggest remaining hole would be DNS.
Really? I got Dell with broken USB3 port (Vostro instead of XPS though) - controller would stop working about 3 minutes of heavy use. I called Dell, next day repair guy came and replaced the controller - it took 15 minutes. Dell's warranty service is actually very, they replace broken part without any stupid 'it is probably a virus' games. On the other hand this was the first laptop that was faulty on first day.
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Accidents are senseless, suicide has actual reason.
So does murder. You're ok with murder?
As with everything, the answer is "it depends". I am sure you are able to come up with a scenario which makes murder best option available.
Where did that "suicide is cowardly" nonsense came from?
Suicide is an escape; a coward's escape. It's also the ultimate in selfishness.
Says your holy book?
It is his life and he has the right to do with it whatever he pleases. Including ending it.
And it's the GP's right to try and do the decent thing and try to talk him out of it, instead of the evil you are doing by cheering the GGP's suicide on.
Decent thing is to let him decide what he wants to do with *his* life. His, not yours or anybody else.
What kind of a God damned monster are you? OH, I see, an athiest, maybe even an antitheist. Carry on, then. You'll find out in the end, poor fool.
Suicide at least is surefire way to end all past, present and future problems. Again, you're going to be pretty damed surprised when your own end comes.
Your religious ranting is not even worth responding to.
Life is a gift and your misery is in your mind only.
Whose gift to whom?
External circumstances do not matter, only what you think matters. Do you really want to hurt and destroy the love of your life like this? She would be devastated by this. Do you have a mother, father? Other family? What will this do to them?
If external circumstances do not matter, then he is hardly "destroying" love of his life. She will get over it and find someone else in time.
I know, the death of someone close to you is a pain you can never erase, but if that person had killed themselves it would be so much worse because it would be so senseless.
Accidents are senseless, suicide has actual reason.
You seem like someone who cares about others, so why would you do so selfish and cowardly an act as this? And cause all this pain to all those who love you?
Where did that "suicide is cowardly" nonsense came from?
Don't. Get help. You don't have to do this.
It is his life and he has the right to do with it whatever he pleases. Including ending it.
It gets better.
Yeah, and dozen other things get worse. Suicide at least is surefire way to end all past, present and future problems.
Work for Microsoft and advance up to CEO position. Then throwing chairs will be one of your more important job responsibilities.
Or some plastic explosives, fragmentation grenades or maybe nerve gas. And yet for some insane reason those are still regulated. Why bother? If someone wants grenade or dozen, he is going to get it anyway.
Do gun nuts really see world as set of binary options? You don't have to make access to guns impossible, just make it hard. Then only worst criminals will have one and you are pretty unlikely to meet one. Much better situation than every local hooligan, two-bit mugger and meth addict running around with a gun.
I agree fully. Who the hell those gubbermint stooges think they are to forbid me from owning canister of sarin, some landmines hidden all around my property (it is *mine* after all) and kg or two of enriched U235. I am free man and this is attack on my liberty!
[...] and their propensity to sue at the drop of a hat.
And here you have the root cause of many problems currently plaguing USA.
This is generally true in the USA for Federal Judges as well.
Except for the last sentence. In the USA, there are no "exceptional circumstances" that permit a bureaucrat to prevent a judge from hearing a matter.
Said bureaucrat just needs to invoke "state secrets privilege" and case is instantly dismissed.
Because if they don't, things may become much more difficult for them. They really don't want local police or FBI pulling Megaupload on them and grabbing all their servers as evidence next time some crime is investigated.
Ok, so why stop at pedophilia / ephebophilia? Why not report people openly admitting to smoking marijuana, or underage persons talking about drinking, or people with active lifestyle pictures when they're claiming disability?
Pedophilia is special case - mention adult trying to have sex with a kid and any trace of reason goes out of the window. Reporting marijuana smokers could attract some bad press while nobody sane will dare to publicly speak up against monitoring for suspected pedophiles.
Facebook is pulling the opposite direction and it's eventually going to cost them. If they get in the business of being pro-active in stopping crime, they're only going to wind up beholden to being pro-active in stopping all crime. They open themselves to liability, too.
Whatever they do, it is going to cost them. I guess they analysed the situation and decided that becoming voluntary source for law enforcement is going to be less costly than alternatives.
I can see it now, "I had a date and I looked at their Facebook profile but there was no indication they were a rapist, yet during discovery we found a message send 6 years ago about how this guy 'hates women'. Facebook knew this was a dangerous person and made no attempt to warn others."
This is why any sensible online service explicitly disclaims responsibility for monitoring user communications.
Look through Facebook ToS and I bet you find all usual disclaimers. They may give some information to police, but it does not create any responsibility towards users.
Because if they don't, things may become much more difficult for them. They really don't want local police or FBI pulling Megaupload on them and grabbing all their servers as evidence next time some crime is investigated.
No need. You're dealing with nuclear waste. Just draw a picture and provide it as a key. Show an image of a uranium atom with different colors or patterns for protons versus neutrons, then show the count of each in unary. Then give the name of the element in English or your choice of other languages.
Future archeologist: Hmm, and what is this? Of course, this must be some kind of religious idol. Probably holy symbol of sun worshippers.
It is important anyway - recently software (and especially game) companies have been pushing hard for internet distribution as a means to get around first sales doctrine.
That's a truly groundbreaking discovery. I mean, who could possibly expect that patent trolling may be bad practice?
uuuhaa! Talking about extreme! You do realize there is a learning process, kids don't turn into adults in one day? You cannot just dump social ethics and standards into them and expect them to learn!
'Turning into adult' is a slow process that starts at young age and is guided but constant pressure from parents to adapt to social norms. But many parents instead choose total leniency, 'let kids be kids' and then they are surprised when their precious snowflake gets completely unmanageable as teenager. Those "kids" from TFA are 18 and 19, they are adults in eyes of law and at this point they should be able to take responsibility for their actions. If they were allowed to stay kids for 18 years and only now they wake up and notice things like 'social ethics', then parents failed badly. And you suggest even more leniency?
You do know that the human learning process is based on trial-error, right?
Also, what would you do if someone told you when you were a kid that you cannot play GTA / Left 4 death anymore because it is too violent? Would you just STFU and obey?
Trial and error works only if there are consequences of error. Otherwise why don't just repeat the error?
It is because of this restriction / impose the rules nonsense mentality that you and a lot others have that we are getting the internet filtered.
Yawn, why don't you accuse me of stealing candy from little kids too? "Internet filter" is needed only for parents that try to push part of responsibility for raising their kids to state. And you should have noticed that I am all for responsibility.
You seem to completely fail to understand how the mind of kinds work at that age. I'm no expert at psychology but this is plain obvious. Most of them are still in the process of developing their adulthood and when every adult around them seems to disagree with their thoughts, it is plain natural the kids start absorbing the thoughts from somewhere else which they identify with.
Who cares? It is "natural" for hungry predator to eat a human and yet we don't allow that. Those kids are going to live in society and they have to live by society standards, no matter how "unnatural" those standards are for them. They can either break and conform or spend their lives in place where they cannot be danger to others - prison.
In the streets, that person would probably be some group leader. Having that, then it is just hormones and the willing to impress others that makes them behave badly - because unfortunately, failing to respect others and destroying stuff is the easiest way to show that "you have the balls". THIS IS WHERE SOCIETY FAILS COMPLETELY.
The only failing I see here is that this kind of behaviour was not driven out of them earlier. Spare the rod, spoil the child.
At this age, kids actually need some good leadership. Sport teams actually provide that up to some point, with an adult coach giving good directions to kids while agreeing and motivating them during the games. Hackerspaces are a good place to motivate and giving them good directions too. But we need way more than that. Schools need extra-curricular practical activities ....
So this is were I disagree with you. We don't need to call the police when they behave badly, we don't need to marginalize them! We do need to impress them and grab their attention and only them, we can teach them a valuable lesson.
Yes, of course. Lets make hooliganism mainstream to avoid "marginalizing them". I am honestly sick of idea that indulging every whim of a spoiled brat is a way to raise a child. Actions have consequences, that's the lesson they should be taught.
So they are turning an existing enemy into a better hidden and more hateful enemy.
So? You can't make people love you, but you can definitely make them fear you. And fear is better for control anyway.
My guess is that as soon as they asked even slightly related question, the guy just could not stop himself from bragging about how he helps poor oppressed citizens keep their conversations private from teh evil regime. Of course they would focus on that.
Actually "Solaris" was attached to point 2). Formatting got screwed up though.
Unless we find intelligent life living on Saturn, they're going to be a very long ways away.
Long way for us, yes. Which means we won't be able to do anything to them. Will opposite be true? Who knows.
Far enough to be extremely useful in the "stop being solar-centric, stop thinking some magical God invented man, everyone grow the fuck up" kind of way.
Right, I am sure everybody will immediately let go of their irrational thinking. Religions will adapt, as they always did to changes in man's understanding of the world.
But so far there's no plausible possibility of external risk at all. I'd be more worried about the religious zealots (of all denominations) and how they're going to react to having their minds forcefully opened to a bigger world.
The three scenarios you listed have essentially zero possibility of happening. Science rules the universe, not science fiction.
And you seem to be sure that we know enough of physics to be decide what is 'safe' distance. At end of 19th century Lord Kelving proclaimed that physics is finished, we pretty much know how the world works and only some loose ends are left to be tied. Then we got relativistic and quantum theories. You are falling into the same trap.
Well, the thing is that this is not a game that gives a million every thousand tries. Instead it will give a complete surprise - maybe a million bucks, maybe a bullet to the head. Why do you assume that result of finding aliens will be positive development? There are at least three possible scenarios with unknown probability of happening: 1) Welcome, lesser developed culture! Let us give you all our cool alien tech, cure cancer and end world hunger. 2) So you are humans? Nice, we don't really care. Go away and stop bothering us. Or maybe "Solaris" kind of contact. 3) Oh hello you poor defenseless bastards. We were just in a need of new food source/hunting ground/slave labour.
That whoosh you heard was not sound of dropbear attack.
Don't forget dropbears. They are really nasty.
My guess that favourite way of spending this 'crime allowance' would to beat the shit out of prosecutor right there in court room.
Actually this should be rewarded. MPAA already proved that downloading content without paying causes bazilions dollars of losses. Think of the children, ruin CP producers!
That's why it should be server-side effort. Switch as many websites as possible to https, use imaps and smpt+tls for email. Then the biggest remaining hole would be DNS.
Really? I got Dell with broken USB3 port (Vostro instead of XPS though) - controller would stop working about 3 minutes of heavy use. I called Dell, next day repair guy came and replaced the controller - it took 15 minutes. Dell's warranty service is actually very, they replace broken part without any stupid 'it is probably a virus' games. On the other hand this was the first laptop that was faulty on first day.