I would bet that the current state of GPS (possibly augmented with inertial navigation) is more reliable than computers that can read traffic signs.
The point is that any computer-driven car absolutely must be reliable.
If it can' t quickly and reliably identify every traffic sign it sees how can it identify all the different things it must see to drive safely? Like that kid running after a ball, that pothole, that car turning left, that broken bridge, that fire truck, etc?
Some of the basic functionality (speed limits, etc.) would require a GPS signal
Why should that be? Cars had speed meters long before GPS existed. Take the spinning rate of the wheels, multiply by the wheel circumference and, presto, you have the speed.
If you are automating driving, the system should necessarily be able to recognize and read all the traffic signs around, including those posting speed limits. I would never trust a system that couldn't differentiate a 65 mph sign from a "$0.65 off" roadside advertisement.
Good point. I wonder why those guys who are so meticulous about obeying speed limits absolutely refuse to use the right lane. They complain about tailgaters but see nothing wrong in being too close to the car in the right lane to let anybody pass.
I wish/. had a "you have modded this story" warning. I have accidentally undone mods by posting, sometimes a post you moderate is somewhat unrelated to the main topic so it's possible to forget exactly where it was. The reverse doesn't happen because the moderate dropbox doesn't appear once you have posted to a story.
The fox which digs a hole which exposes the worm and the bird which takes the worm don't really have the capacity to make a choice.
Now you're contradicting what you said before: "Much simpler organisms appear to react to stimuli we'd regard as painful in a similar way to us - do they feel pain too?"
If the fox reacts in a similar way to us, couldn't it follow a similar reasoning process, therefore taking conscious choices?
I think there's no definite point at which we can say for sure there's no self-consciousness below it. However, the simple fact that an organism reacts to stimuli is not enough to call it conscious or assume it follows some internal thought process.
A light switch reacts to the pressure of my finger by turning on a light, does that mean we should never harm light switches?
- The support for it is limited to forums where you never get actual help, but instead a bunch of ass-hats who shout back "RTFM LAMZOR" and similar insults at you
As opposed to forums about windows where you are always sure to get helpful professional advice?
If you write in to a bug report forum or a feature request to some bit of software, someone screaming "the beauty of it is its linux so you can fix it yourself so go fix it yourself and post the fix noob" is not comforting or likely to make you stick around.
Have you ever tried sending a bug report to Microsoft? I have and, believe me, I'd rather be called "noob" than get the response I did:
-"We are aware of that situation and it will be fixed in the next version" -"Oh, great! And when will you send me the next version? -"It will be available next spring for $"599.95"
- You don't just "switch to linux." You have to pick one of a gazillion discordant distros
Yeah, like Linux Starter, Linux Home, Linux Professional, or Linux Ultimate, right?
And that the architecture for your particular distro isn't rewritten in some bizarre-ass fucking arcane way that causes your particular hardware to break on the "standard linux driver"... presuming one even exists.
That reminds me of the last time someone asked me for help installing his new printer in his dual-boot computer. He had already installed the drivers for Windows that came in the CD. I asked "have you tried printing something in Linux?" He hadn't. When he did the printer just worked in Linux, differently from Windows, there was no need to run any install programs.
But it has become very obvious to me over the past 15 years
Admit it, you haven't actually tried to run Linux in the last 15 years, have you? Because your comments are exactly the way I felt in 1995 when I first installed Yggdrasil Linux in my computer.
I refer you to this insightful post from someone who also has spent plenty of time with Linux as well.M
I found this "insightful" pearl in that link: "I want to use Notepad++; it lacks a Linux port.". That's like saying "I want to eat pig shit and can't find it in this fancy restaurant's menu".
Think of food, housing, clothes, everything you need to live. Don't you have to pay for those? Then why should someone else pay for your health care?
The problem with health care in the US is not that you have to pay for it, the problem is that it's so expensive. It's expensive for several reasons, among which one of the most important is the tort law in the US which is totally fucked up.
People who sue doctors for medical malpractice can make the most absurd claims and the jury will still give them millions in damages. The result is that doctors must shield themselves by prescribing an array of unneeded tests just to prove that they did their best to diagnose any possible ailment.
Begin with tort law reform and health care reform will not be necessary.
There are people who log in to a former employee's server every week, copies a few documents, and leave without a trace. For years.
And those, invariably, use social engineering. You don't break a password hashing function when all you have to do is read the post-it stuck under the table.
when you're not in it for the fame, you don't disclose what you've found -- you guard the secret carefully so you can continue to exploit it. Yes, for thirteen years
What you are saying is that there are worms and viruses out there using it, there are botnets based on that bug? Interesting, why has no one noticed anything so far?
It only holds water if people are actively looking at the code and noticing the bugs, which in many cases they are not.
But you must admit that in some cases people are looking at the code, while in commercial code no one but those who developed it can take a look.
If you have ever developed code you must have noticed how often you spend hours looking at your code trying to find a bug and then someone comes looking over your shoulder and points out the obvious error.
How many bugs are there in commercial software that we don't know?
What we do know is that there are many exploits for commercial software. The vendors claim that such exploits only exist because that software is more popular, but this does not explain why Apache doesn't have four times more exploits than IIS
You haven't presented any arguments at all, just straw, FUD, and lies. Apparently what you don't like about anthropogenic global warming is that it presents a pessimistic scenario and you believe in optimism, right?
Well, the problem is that the outlook is bad, and no optimism will change that. And if you accept the oil industry theory that acting to substitute fossil fuels now will cause economic catastrophe, just wait till the fossil fuels run out and we don't have an alternative. Even assuming fossil fuels weren't causing global warming that would be reason enough to start developing alternatives.
It's funny how people like you disbelieve the studies done by scientists about global warming, yet are ready to believe anything the oil industry tells you about how much cheap fuel we will have when we start getting oil from tar sands and shale.
Do this sanity check, please: look for old articles on tar sands and shale. See how much they promised. I remember the first time I read about the Athabasca tar sands in Canada, in an article in Popular Mechanics in the 1960s. If those predictions had come to reality we would be swimming in oil by now, gasoline would be too cheap to meter.
That was over forty years ago and Popular Mechanics is still printing articles on how the vast oil resources in those sands will give us cheap gas. Talk about "in 10 years, no wait 30 years, no wait 80 years!!!"...
I'm not American, but this fact I know: Carter was only the second incumbent to lose the election in American history, while Reagan was reelected easily in 1984. At least voters preferred Reagan over Carter.
I think in the long run people will have forgotten both Linux and git, but the open enterprise system will go on.
In the future when we will have abundant robotic power, corporations will have to be managed differently. People with managing ability today are people who are good at manipulating people, with automated systems managers must be people who are good at manipulating machines, i.e. programmers.
The catch is that programmers aren't very good at manipulating people, and that include their peers. In a typical enterprise today a lot of effort is put into negotiating between the different departments and divisions. I cannot imagine a company managed by programmers doing that.
The Linux management system will work when managers no longer have people beneath them.
I can't remember the exact words, but I read a headline in exactly that spirit.
How many reports have you seen about the Fukushima reactors? How many reports have you seen about the oil refineries that blew up in the earthquake? How many reports about potential nuclear contamination? How many reports about the diseases that may be spread by the decomposing organic matter that has been spread around?
The biggest problem with nuclear power is exemplified by a headline I saw when the earthquake happened: "NUCLEAR REACTOR BLOWS UP! 10000 DEAD!". In very small letters underneath: "Earthquake was the biggest in Japan history".
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I would bet that the current state of GPS (possibly augmented with inertial navigation) is more reliable than computers that can read traffic signs.
The point is that any computer-driven car absolutely must be reliable.
If it can' t quickly and reliably identify every traffic sign it sees how can it identify all the different things it must see to drive safely? Like that kid running after a ball, that pothole, that car turning left, that broken bridge, that fire truck, etc?
Some of the basic functionality (speed limits, etc.) would require a GPS signal
Why should that be? Cars had speed meters long before GPS existed. Take the spinning rate of the wheels, multiply by the wheel circumference and, presto, you have the speed.
If you are automating driving, the system should necessarily be able to recognize and read all the traffic signs around, including those posting speed limits. I would never trust a system that couldn't differentiate a 65 mph sign from a "$0.65 off" roadside advertisement.
They'll also be driving in the right lane.
Good point. I wonder why those guys who are so meticulous about obeying speed limits absolutely refuse to use the right lane. They complain about tailgaters but see nothing wrong in being too close to the car in the right lane to let anybody pass.
I wish /. had a "you have modded this story" warning. I have accidentally undone mods by posting, sometimes a post you moderate is somewhat unrelated to the main topic so it's possible to forget exactly where it was. The reverse doesn't happen because the moderate dropbox doesn't appear once you have posted to a story.
The fox which digs a hole which exposes the worm and the bird which takes the worm don't really have the capacity to make a choice.
Now you're contradicting what you said before: "Much simpler organisms appear to react to stimuli we'd regard as painful in a similar way to us - do they feel pain too?"
If the fox reacts in a similar way to us, couldn't it follow a similar reasoning process, therefore taking conscious choices?
I think there's no definite point at which we can say for sure there's no self-consciousness below it. However, the simple fact that an organism reacts to stimuli is not enough to call it conscious or assume it follows some internal thought process.
A light switch reacts to the pressure of my finger by turning on a light, does that mean we should never harm light switches?
You don't need to hang around Linux forums to know that Notepad++ is pig shit, anyone in a Windows forum will tell you the same thing
- The support for it is limited to forums where you never get actual help, but instead a bunch of ass-hats who shout back "RTFM LAMZOR" and similar insults at you
As opposed to forums about windows where you are always sure to get helpful professional advice?
If you write in to a bug report forum or a feature request to some bit of software, someone screaming "the beauty of it is its linux so you can fix it yourself so go fix it yourself and post the fix noob" is not comforting or likely to make you stick around.
Have you ever tried sending a bug report to Microsoft? I have and, believe me, I'd rather be called "noob" than get the response I did:
-"We are aware of that situation and it will be fixed in the next version"
-"Oh, great! And when will you send me the next version?
-"It will be available next spring for $"599.95"
- You don't just "switch to linux." You have to pick one of a gazillion discordant distros
Yeah, like Linux Starter, Linux Home, Linux Professional, or Linux Ultimate, right?
And that the architecture for your particular distro isn't rewritten in some bizarre-ass fucking arcane way that causes your particular hardware to break on the "standard linux driver"... presuming one even exists.
That reminds me of the last time someone asked me for help installing his new printer in his dual-boot computer. He had already installed the drivers for Windows that came in the CD. I asked "have you tried printing something in Linux?" He hadn't. When he did the printer just worked in Linux, differently from Windows, there was no need to run any install programs.
But it has become very obvious to me over the past 15 years
Admit it, you haven't actually tried to run Linux in the last 15 years, have you? Because your comments are exactly the way I felt in 1995 when I first installed Yggdrasil Linux in my computer.
I refer you to this insightful post from someone who also has spent plenty of time with Linux as well.M
I found this "insightful" pearl in that link: "I want to use Notepad++; it lacks a Linux port.". That's like saying "I want to eat pig shit and can't find it in this fancy restaurant's menu".
Think of food, housing, clothes, everything you need to live. Don't you have to pay for those? Then why should someone else pay for your health care?
The problem with health care in the US is not that you have to pay for it, the problem is that it's so expensive. It's expensive for several reasons, among which one of the most important is the tort law in the US which is totally fucked up.
People who sue doctors for medical malpractice can make the most absurd claims and the jury will still give them millions in damages. The result is that doctors must shield themselves by prescribing an array of unneeded tests just to prove that they did their best to diagnose any possible ailment.
Begin with tort law reform and health care reform will not be necessary.
There are people who log in to a former employee's server every week, copies a few documents, and leave without a trace. For years.
And those, invariably, use social engineering. You don't break a password hashing function when all you have to do is read the post-it stuck under the table.
when you're not in it for the fame, you don't disclose what you've found -- you guard the secret carefully so you can continue to exploit it. Yes, for thirteen years
What you are saying is that there are worms and viruses out there using it, there are botnets based on that bug? Interesting, why has no one noticed anything so far?
It only holds water if people are actively looking at the code and noticing the bugs, which in many cases they are not.
But you must admit that in some cases people are looking at the code, while in commercial code no one but those who developed it can take a look.
If you have ever developed code you must have noticed how often you spend hours looking at your code trying to find a bug and then someone comes looking over your shoulder and points out the obvious error.
Slashdot might be getting a lot of unwanted traffic from Google search queries containing "13-year-old" now...
At least Slashdot will not be alone
How many bugs are there in commercial software that we don't know?
What we do know is that there are many exploits for commercial software. The vendors claim that such exploits only exist because that software is more popular, but this does not explain why Apache doesn't have four times more exploits than IIS
And I thought they were talking about this man.
Nah, just kidding...
You haven't presented any arguments at all, just straw, FUD, and lies. Apparently what you don't like about anthropogenic global warming is that it presents a pessimistic scenario and you believe in optimism, right?
Well, the problem is that the outlook is bad, and no optimism will change that. And if you accept the oil industry theory that acting to substitute fossil fuels now will cause economic catastrophe, just wait till the fossil fuels run out and we don't have an alternative. Even assuming fossil fuels weren't causing global warming that would be reason enough to start developing alternatives.
It's funny how people like you disbelieve the studies done by scientists about global warming, yet are ready to believe anything the oil industry tells you about how much cheap fuel we will have when we start getting oil from tar sands and shale.
Do this sanity check, please: look for old articles on tar sands and shale. See how much they promised. I remember the first time I read about the Athabasca tar sands in Canada, in an article in Popular Mechanics in the 1960s. If those predictions had come to reality we would be swimming in oil by now, gasoline would be too cheap to meter.
That was over forty years ago and Popular Mechanics is still printing articles on how the vast oil resources in those sands will give us cheap gas. Talk about "in 10 years, no wait 30 years, no wait 80 years!!!"...
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People care about hockey? And enough to riot?
Different people, different worries
I'm not American, but this fact I know: Carter was only the second incumbent to lose the election in American history, while Reagan was reelected easily in 1984. At least voters preferred Reagan over Carter.
So you mother began pasteurizing her milk when you were 12?
Boiling her tits... ouch!
According to TFS: "bacterial strains that produce the botulinum neurotoxin"
I think in the long run people will have forgotten both Linux and git, but the open enterprise system will go on.
In the future when we will have abundant robotic power, corporations will have to be managed differently. People with managing ability today are people who are good at manipulating people, with automated systems managers must be people who are good at manipulating machines, i.e. programmers.
The catch is that programmers aren't very good at manipulating people, and that include their peers. In a typical enterprise today a lot of effort is put into negotiating between the different departments and divisions. I cannot imagine a company managed by programmers doing that.
The Linux management system will work when managers no longer have people beneath them.
I can't remember the exact words, but I read a headline in exactly that spirit.
How many reports have you seen about the Fukushima reactors? How many reports have you seen about the oil refineries that blew up in the earthquake? How many reports about potential nuclear contamination? How many reports about the diseases that may be spread by the decomposing organic matter that has been spread around?
When I saw the title I thought they had merged bits and pieces of several dead bills.
The biggest problem with nuclear power is exemplified by a headline I saw when the earthquake happened: "NUCLEAR REACTOR BLOWS UP! 10000 DEAD!". In very small letters underneath: "Earthquake was the biggest in Japan history".
Something about the fact that they've formed their own central bank seems less than grass-roots to me.
To me that's exactly what shows they are not Al Qaeda militants. They are building a regular country's infrastructure, not an Islamist republic.