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Using Crowdsourcing To Identify Vancouver Rioters
Fudge Factor 3000 writes "The Canucks' loss in the last game of the Stanley Cup Finals resulted in complete mayhem in downtown Vancouver. Everything from upturned cars set alight to looting was commonplace. Unfortunately, most of the perpetrators were able to maintain their anonymity by disappearing into the crowds. Fortunately, bystanders took several pictures and videos of the carnage. Now, websites (including both Facebook and Tumblr) have set up pages to use crowdsourcing to identify the hooligans."
People care about hockey? And enough to riot?
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You can't even riot in peace anymore.
Now websites (in both Facebook and have been set up to use crowdsourcing to identify the hooligans.
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It's a good idea, but it appears that the photos section on the facebook page has already been vandalized. More than 80% of the photos are multiple copies of photos taken by the media, and another 10-15% are random unrelated photos. I hope they're accepting photos and videos from an email address too.
Facebook's greatest value to humanity may be as a honeypot to stupid people who post their misdeeds for all the public (and law enforcement agencies) to see.
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Absolutely shocking - I thought Canadians were more civilised than this. I hope they catch the bastards involved.
Well you obviously didn't hear about the riots after Montreal beat Boston in game 7 in 2008. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jU56NA0yf8&feature=related [youtube.com]. Worse yet, it was only round one.
Maybe it's just me, but I'd rather not 'crowdsource' the manhunt for perpetrators of isolated property crimes. I'd bet the vast majority of these people have no criminal record and that almost nobody did anything violent during these riots. It's not worth setting a precedent that we'll all analyze video for the police merely to get justice for a few totaled cars.
It reminds me a little of the "lets all open our windows and see if we can spot the fleeing criminal" scene in Fahrenheit 451. I'm not helping the police find anyone short of a murderer or rapist through video coverage, if even then.
I propose "Stasi".
It's kind of a shame. I thought this sort of crap would stay in Europe. Soccer Game riots are relatively frequent here in Europe, were as sports events in the U.S. and Canada have always seemed notably non-violent and family friendly.
It's one of the few things that actually work way better across the pond than over here. Massive sport event riots is one thing the U.S. and Canada really shouldn't copy from Europe.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Bostonians tend to riot when our teams WIN. Like, say, now.
This is not a case of CCTV. Rather, these images have been submitted from mobile devices and cameras.
This is not a case of privacy invasion. People have committed criminal acts out in public, fully knowing that people are filming. They're begging to be identified.
Furthermore, the police did not set up these facebook pages; these are set up by concerned citizens who are appalled by the behaviour seen last night. The police have set up a system for submitting evidence, but they have not started a "crowd-sourced" identification initiative as of yet. So maybe the police is doing crowd-sourced evidence gathering, but certainly not analysis.
I want to point out how the police behaved in this riot. They stood their ground, but did not use an unnecessary force. They rarely engaged directly with the rioters; they just held a line, and occasionally fired tear gas, flashbangs, and pepperspray into the crowd. This is one recent case of police in the news NOT confiscating/breaking everyone's recording devices.
I think the Vancouver police and the RCMP deserve some commendation for how they handled this riot. They did not prevent as much property damage as they could have, but on the otherhand, they took a far more measured approach to interaction with the rioters than has been taken in the past and they are seemingly embracing social media, rather than raging in fear of it.
This sounds like a really bad idea to me. How about giving the photos to the police?
Who will verify the images are authentic, and not photoshopped to insert other people - enemies, friends (ha ha!), famous people?
Who will make the fine judgements of what the people in the images are doing? Are they committing a crime, merely in the vicinity, or passing through? Or, how close are they to the burning car behind them? -- depth in photos is hard to judge. And what constitutes a crime in Vancouver? If the mob makes the judgement, you can bet that they will leap to wild, sensational conclusions.
What will happen to the people who are 'convicted' by this court? Will they get carefully considered justice, or a senseless angry mob? Will they be endlessly vilified and hounded, people finding their personal address online, ringing their doorbell, calling their employer, their family, etc. ... and for a misdemeanor, or a misunderstanding?
Finally, it sets the precedent that all our public activity is subject to being recorded and publicized. You can argue that we don't have a right right to privacy on a public street, but if we only have privacy in lead-shielded basement, with no communication or anything else passing in or out, we really don't have privacy at all.
Charge the NHL with inciting riot and civil disorder, with co-defendents Vancouver and Boston.
Or maybe we should outlaw sports completely, seeing as they seem to cause insanity. :p
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Lots of vandals have been caught in photos, but soon criminals like these will simply use an IR device to to activate new features patented by Apple to disable everyone's cameras.
... just as it was in the case of the thugs that were caught on camera beating up Dorian Barton.
Yeah, but Boston is the exception... they're the drunken asshole of American sports towns. And they win so rarely, they really don't know how to handle it.
Crowdsourcing? Sometimes you don't even need that, sometimes a muppet hands himself in because he LOVES FACEBOOK SO MUCH! Honestly. Read it and weep for humanity.
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Why do the police not move in and beat the shit out of those assholes? Rioting over a god damn hockey game, seriously? The second one of those assholes throws a rock or turns over a car, you beat the piss out of them. Otherwise you're just inviting this idiocy.
People in Vancouver are standing up and saying this type of behaviour is unacceptable. Last night, they did this by taking pictures, creating forums to share evidence, and guarding businesses. Today they gathered downtown to help with the cleanup. For those of you searching for an Orwellian scenario in all of this, there's nothing to find.
Agreed 100%.
Our society gets its order and gets its freedoms NOT from police and laws. It gets its order and its freedoms because THE PEOPLE demand it.
It is time for all people that live in and near Vancouver to find and turn these assholes in. We don't need new laws. We don't need special police powers. We just need the will of the people to say "WE will not stand for this, eh!".
ALL these people need to be turned in and they need to pay up all the costs and penalties of the damage they have done. Period.
Vancouver police managed to clear the crowds after shouting "Free Beer" into bull horns. Smaller riots occured a short time later at local bars when protesters found the free beer claims were false.
http://failbook.failblog.org/2011/06/16/funny-facebook-fails-the-vancouver-riots-exhibit-b/
Dude is bragging on his facebook page about his part in the riots, with one of the commentors telling him to take it down because it would be evidence.
I don't know how it's in Canada, but here in Germany, recording someone without previously having his agreement, is still illegal, even when in public.
CCTV, which here is of dubious legality anyway, has to have special warning signs outside the filming area, so you can decide whether to enter that area. And if it's filming private buildings, there have to be special blinding panels installed.
Although I think, if someone does something out in the open, for everyone to see, he did it either because he wants to be seen, or because he's an idiot. As in any case, he can not expect this to be kept a secret. ^^
I never understood why so many teams' hometowns would go and destroy their own towns after their team won the championship. Perhaps with even greater irony, my alma mater won a championship (twice, actually) when I wan in undergraduate, and some of my fellow students went and trashed our town in celebration.
Really, if you're going to trash something, shouldn't you go to sack and loot your opponents town? Sure, it would have been a long trip from Vancouver to Boston (or the other way if the winner is to sack the loser's town), but it would seem to make more sense.
Hence, if it had been Boston fans in Vancouver, destroying Vancouver after winning the cup, it would have made more sense (though that is extremely relative here) than the citizens destroying their own town.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
It seems the media down under are more interested in the sideshow rather than the the riots themselves....
http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/5156730/Vancouver-hockey-riots-kiss-mystery
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Sports riots happen all the time in the US. Maybe you don't get news about them as much over there. Maybe the scale is less dramatic. I'm not certain. I just know that sports riots happen here. Note, the link is a UK source reporting on a California riot from several years ago, which argues against my theory that people outside the US don't get news about our riots.
Anyway, it's kind of nice to think that there's a myth about America that involves us not being violent.
Now, what would be the best objective statistical way to evaluate sports riots in a society?Is anybody keeping a sports riot rating for each country?
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
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>I don't know how it's in Canada, but here in Germany, recording someone without previously having his agreement, is still illegal, even when in public.
If I see you doing a crime in the US, Canada, Germany, wherever, and I have a camera, I'm going to record it, and fuck what you think or what the law says.
Because I'm going to skate since I'm on the right side of the spirit of the law. Nobody will prosecute.
And you're going to go to jail.
Leck mich am Arsch!
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sports events in the U.S. and Canada have always seemed notably non-violent and family friendly.
You've obviously never been anywhere near downtown Los Angeles when the Lakers win a championship. Or lose a championship. Either way, it is bad for Zathras- er, Los Angeles.
Massive sport event riots is one thing the U.S. and Canada really shouldn't copy from Europe.
I can think of a whole sh!t-ton of things the U.S. (at least; it's probably too late for Canada) shouldn't copy from Europe, chief among them being underfunded and overspending welfare programs (how's that "social safety net" working out these days?)...
Why should the police have shown any restraint at all?
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I question why the police were so controlled in this full blown riot and reacted far more aggressively with the protestors at the Toronto G20 protests last year. Both involved violent protests, but based on what I saw (web video and news sites, not in person) the crowds in Vancouver were more destructive and out of control than anything that occurred in Toronto. I guess rowdy crowds get a pass if the violence is inspired by alcohol and sports, two huge money makers for business and government.
The Vancouver Police and RCMP (Abbotsford, Surrey, Maple Ridge, and probably most of the cops in the metro area) knew that if they pushed too hard it would get bad.
I watched the news on CBC and CTV live, and CBC itself has enough video to catch the people who set the cars on fire, because 4 of those cars (the prius?, the truck, and the two copcars) were right outside the CBC's offices. CTV has video of people looting the HBC and London Drugs because Rob Brown was caught right in the thick of it.
As for the police breaking up the crowds, what they did was broke them up starting in front of the CBC and Canada Post area and whittled them down by barricading the streets using the riot gear and making the crowds smaller and smaller, eventually there was just one group of probably 100 people who continued to vandalize things, but the perps who started it were probably long gone by then.
And contrary to media reports, some of the people in the buildings were employees keeping looters out, they were plainclothed and had fire extuingishers.
The Coach store, was looted (you can tell from TV) and that's probably the only store that was actually carrying expensive items near the windows. London Drugs and HBC, the window/door areas tend to be where cosmetics and checkout tills are, so I imagine the dollar value in merchandise stolen was probably in the low thousands, and the actual glass and building damage might exceed the merchandise losses. The coach, LV, Hermes, Tiffany and Gucci stores are all located around the same Hotel, but the coach building is more visible. The LV store is actually located inside the Hotel, so if they smashed the windows they might have got away with the display items in the window, but not much else.
The Futureshop, people were trying to get into, but I can tell you that would have failed since it's on the second floor and has the same kind of barricade the London Drugs has. The London Drugs people actually kicked-in the barricade. My observation here is that the barricade failed because it wasn't designed to have 10 people kicking it for 20 minutes with no law enforcement around.
The Sears was broken into, as well. Again, the same as the London Drugs and the HBC, mostly cosmetics and checkout tills are near the entrances.
Photos and Video, everyone not looting had their camera out, the VPD has appealed to the public to send them all the photos and video.
Note that a lot of these were smartphones, did you know that the EXIF data will not only tell the cops where you were, but what time, so your photos can be triangulated with other peoples images to pinpoint the instigators.
On the other hand, also note that people came up from Seattle and Victoria. So 100,000 people downtown, and those people who came up to start things may have not even be from the Vancouver area.
Some fault of the riots happening can be pinned on how much checking they were not doing to prevent people from bringing bags and lighters/matches.
As far as I'm aware, in Canada, your photons are public domain once they cross over into public property.
Why should the police have shown any restraint at all?
Because they professionals, not thugs, and are sworn to uphold the law?
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
Sports riots happen all the time in the US.
As in, every few years. Your example is from eight years ago!
Two different police departments aren't necessarily going to handle things the same way.
I recall reading a NYTimes article (China's Cyberposse)about how people who did bad things were tracked down (and sometimes harassed) by Chinese citizens starting investigations on online forums. A quote:
"Human-flesh search engines — renrou sousuo yinqing — have become a Chinese phenomenon: they are a form of online vigilante justice in which Internet users hunt down and punish people who have attracted their wrath. The goal is to get the targets of a search fired from their jobs, shamed in front of their neighbors, run out of town. It’s crowd-sourced detective work, pursued online — with offline results."
"Sports fans" are pathetic. People who actually participate in sports are fine. I've spent lots of time in gyms and on horseback, and the jerk level is relatively low. The bar and club crowd, even when drunk, is seldom more than annoying.
But crowds of drunk oinkers leaving a stadium act like they're entitled to make trouble. Then they try to drive. I'm for running everybody leaving the stadium through a blood alcohol test and dumping the drunks into holding pens until they're fit to rejoin society.
>film a crime
>stalking little girls
Fuck you. Meet your new status.
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I was in Vancouver for the first time a year ago. Lovely place. Friendly, welcoming people. The most "dangerous" people we encountered were the junkies in the alleys, but they were pretty much harmless.
The best view to survey the area is Top of Vancouver. It's a rotating restaurant. Don't pay the tourist fee of $15. Go straight to the restaurant and have a $15 drink instead.
Anyway, I was just discussing with my wife that there would have been some interesting view of the riots from that restaurant. Safe entertainment from afar.
If you go, visit the Salt Tasting Room. (It's in one of those alleys.)
I am a fan of many sports, hockey, not so much. I get that emotional rush of wanting a team to win and hating when they lose. But when it's over, it's over. Geez. Move on.
So if there's a riot in Germany, a German court won't admit video and photographic evidence from citizens?
I don't buy it.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Props to the rioters!
How about we crowdsource information about the scumbag violent police who make the lives of people a living hell on a daily basis?
The police are the problem, not a bunch of sports fans rioting.
What a load of crap.
LAST time there was a riot, we had tons of footage of police committing violent crimes and I would have loved to have seen them identified and prosecuted.
THIS time, the police did NOTHING to instigate any of this.
Also, do not mistake me for a fan of police in general: I'm usually extremely harsh on them. Having said that, the Vancouver Police are among the best anywhere. I give full credit to that to our current chief, Jim Chu.
Not sure if you live in Vancouver, but if you've got pic's of the police being bastards, please post them so we can identify them because we know that they're not perfect.
But I suspect you're not located in Vancouver.
You'd think upholding the law would involve stopping people from overturning cars, burning them, smashing shop windows, and looting.
The police did the best thing they could. There is simply no good way to manage a mob of potentially tens of thousands of people.
I lay a good chunk of the blame at the feet of the City of Vancouver. When the Olympics were on, crowds were carefully managed. Yes there was a lot more good will, but there was also a good deal of control. In this case, the City basically let a hundred thousand people into the downtown area with no meaningful control of any kind and what happened seems almost inevitable. I would have been shocked if there hadn't been a riot, whether the Canucks won or lost.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
"Major League" spectator sports are nothing more than big business. Time to tone them down if they're leading to all this mayhem. Remember the origin of "fan" is fanatic.
"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Mark Twain
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Are you out of your mind? Sports riots are well established in the US and Canada prior to this. http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=capress-hkn_stanley_cup_riots_list-7164094
Xavier Rabourdin for president 2012
Caption on the image: "Riot police on horseback confront rioters in downtown Vancouver." The catch: no horses in the image.
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Montag jammed his Seashell to his ear. "Police suggest entire population in the Elm Terrace area do as follows: Everyone in every house in every street open a front or rear door or look from the windows. The fugitive cannot escape if everyone in the next minute looks from his house. Ready! " Of course! Why hadn't they done it before! Why, in all the years, hadn't this game been tried! Everyone up, everyone out! He couldn't be missed! The only man running alone in the night city, the only man proving his legs! "At the count of ten now! One! Two!" He felt the city rise. Three . He felt the city turn to its thousands of doors. Faster! Leg up, leg down ! "Four ! " The people sleepwalking in their hallways. "Five! " He felt their hands on the doorknobs! The smell of the river was cool and like a solid rain. His throat was burnt rust and his eyes were wept dry with running. He yelled as if this yell would jet him on, fling him the last hundred yards. "Six, seven, eight ! " The doorknobs turned on five thousand doors. "Nine!" He ran out away from the last row of houses, on a slope leading down to a solid moving blackness. "Ten!" The doors opened. He imagined thousands on thousands of faces peering into yards, into alleys, and into the sky, faces hid by curtains, pale, night-frightened faces, like grey animals peering from electric caves, faces with grey colourless eyes, grey tongues and grey thoughts looking out through the numb flesh of the face. But he was at the river.
Has anyone read the articles mentioned in the OP or taken a gander at the Facebook Pages and the Blog that have been set up to gather information.
Some fools have posted on their FB profiles that they were a part of the riot and those screenshots have been posted to the FB pages.
Kind of interesting, but not surprised. It will make it easier to find and prosecute some of these people.
It's not really the same. In Europe, the idea is to smash up the other team's city, not your own. That would be retarded.
People in Boston, upon hearing about the victory, said "eh." And then resumed shouting at each other in traffic.
The riots where pretty much inevitable after they got their asses handed to them by Boston.
The media needs to get their facts straight.
The rioting was started by people who went down town WITH THE INTENTION ONLY OF STARTING A RIOT.
Many people heard other people on the skytrain talking about doing this whether they won or lost,
and they came into town with jerry cans and hammers.
It was not because the canucks lost, that was just some fuel in the fire.
After the few initial people started, mob mentality set in along with the initial anger and people just went nuts.
Most of the people cleared out very soon and only a few stayed for the hours that it went on, and many of the people
were trying to defend businesses and take pictures for evidence. Many forums were set up for people to
send in pictures in an attempt to identify the troublemakers.
TL;DR
The riot was started by hoodlums with an opportunity.
It was not started because the Canucks lost.
hehe, I doubt they'll get much out of this "experiment"?
or at least I'd hope that's the case.
Been telling everyone this was gonna happen for weeks, even though there was not even the tenuous but believable claim of referee bias that there was in '94. Vancouver lost this time because Tim Thomas is a fracking God...
I never understood sports-related riots/looting. What is the point? You just got your ass' handed to you, so now you're going to tear up the city you live in? Does that make sense to anyone? It's asinine logic like this that is making the world go to crap these days.
The police did the best thing they could. There is simply no good way to manage a mob of potentially tens of thousands of people.
Fully agree.
I lay a good chunk of the blame at the feet of the City of Vancouver. When the Olympics were on, crowds were carefully managed. Yes there was a lot more good will, but there was also a good deal of control.
There was also a great deal more funding during the Olympics.
In this case, the City basically let a hundred thousand people into the downtown area with no meaningful control of any kind and what happened seems almost inevitable. I would have been shocked if there hadn't been a riot, whether the Canucks won or lost.
In retrospect I agree, but I (and the police) might have been lulled into some complacency, post-Olympics. And it doesn't seem that unreasonable: 2 weeks of street parties, then this play-off run was flawless until game 7.
CBC Radio One was on and there was a surge at the live site at puck drop that left a couple reporters rattled. Some fencing was removed due to excessive climbers and to take pressure off the inside surge (or something).
Also of note, just after puck drop, Matthew Lazen-Rider of On The Coast, who was in the crowd, overheard a paramedic supervisor telling an ambulance crew that he didn't like the mood of the crowd and if there was trouble the ambulance was to get out of harms way.
And this was (reported on air) just after puck dropped...
Best line I've heard about the situation came from the Globe & Mail's comments section: "We won the riot!" (/humour)
Fine. As long as agents provocateurs identified with this method are thrown in jail for treason and undermining democracy.
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>>I don't know how it's in Canada, but here in Germany, recording someone without previously having his agreement, is still illegal, even when in public.
In sane countries, there's no presumption of privacy in public spaces, and you can be recorded without your permission.
Does Germany really have no CCTVs facing the streets? (If so, that'd be kind of nice, actually.)
Better remind yourself what Canadian PM Harper did to Toronto when the G20 was there.
G20 arrests surpass 900, making Toronto site of largest mass arrests in Canadian history
The Canadian Civil Liberties Association has denounced the sweeping arrests made by police at the G20 protests in Toronto.
More than 500 people have been taken into police custody.
In a statement on its Web site, the CCLA said today (June 27) it appears that "the presumption of innocence has been suspended during the G20".
http://ccla.org/2010/06/27/ccla-denounces-the-sweeping-arrests-at-g20/
Largest mass arrest in Canadian history at the Toronto G20 is good place to look for a reason.
More bystanders arrested by police than protesters.
I know it's de rigeur to use trendy buzzwords and shit, but isn't this just the same as those awful TV shows like "Crimewatch" and "Most Wanted", except using an interwibble?
It's not crowdsourcing, it's massgrassing.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Riots are the result of bad system called capitalism. Rich people become richer and poor poorer. All people should fight with capitalism to establish new fair system.
People living there should just make small groups, work together to identify these rioters, and while letting normal justice have its course, get them rioters one by one, beat the shit out of them, literally, break some of their bones. Do it slowly like the israelis did with the munich faggots, taking years if necessary, and then hit them hard.
Let me get this straight.
You're glorifying and condoning destruction of property, violence and cheering for more violence and senseless destruction. You're also using "mob energy" and "excitement" as justification for said senseless destruction and violence.
All because you think the city you're living in is a bit dull. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Eat the rich.
I can't help but get the feeling that Looter's Remorse is behind some of the people who are trying to discredit/discourage the crowd-sourcing identification, whether it be the more subtle comparisons to Farenheit 451 and the past use of Agent Provocateurs against political protestors, or this more openly thuggish approach.
Not surprising that these idiots didn't clue in that the game had changed and all those camera flashes from smartphones meant loads of evidence that could be used against them. If they were brainiacs they wouldn't get a kick just from looting and beating up innocents for it's own sake. But here there was no cause they could hide behind and the populace seed them for what they are. The sooner these psychopaths are paying their debt to society the better.
At least part of what is behind this is are unenforceable drug laws that breed contempt of laws in general, and fund a large professional criminal class that has been running rampant in this city. Repeal stupid drug laws, take control of the message on packaging like we do with cigarettes, and impressionable people will see these thugs to be what they are instead of being taken in by drug-money-fueled gangsta chic bullshit.
So next time everyone with a camera of flaunting their mobile will be a snitch and will be clubbed down. It might be advisable if you bring your gun along with your mobile/camera next time you go out... since if you are going to do police work you better arm yourself like one.
Same as the G8 rioters? So the police then. The police usually have people inside the groups and in one case video tape of a G8 riot was demanded back because they were videos of undercover police officers who were rioting. So that the uniformed can pop over and beat the crap out of the genuine protesters.
LOL. You have got to be fucking kidding me. Yeah, US sports are really non-violent and family friendly... riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! Seriously, go to a hockey game sometime. Hell, even a football game. There's nothing friendly about it, it's crush-the-oposition mindset from the get go. People stopped caring about their team decades ago, now they just want to see the opposition crushed and defeated in the most humilliating way possible, and then bully the opposing crowd.
Imbecilic post of the day nominee.
...you go to a riot and occasionally a soccer match breaks out!
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There's no excuse to riot because of a sports game. We all know it was just an excuse, and anyone who rioted wanted to riot whether the game had been played or not. Police should have simply shot anyone causing damage to property or harm to others.
Yes, this people are dumb for rioting. Yes, I don't mind if they spend some time in jail or pay some fines. But this might be a good time to remove the facial recognition profile data from your facebook account.
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/06/how-disable-facebooks-facial-recognition-feature
Reportedly a few members of the local anarchist crowd brought flammable materials, gasoline, fire extinguishers (to be used to smash windows or as weapons) , gas masks, bandanas etc, and came *prepared* to start a riot. The majority of the trouble there was caused by a few individuals (apparently the police arrested around 100 people, when its in a crowd of 100,000 people that's not a high percentage. They will be arresting more).
In short, the embarrassing riot we saw was propagated by a small number of people who were actively intent on doing so, and apparently brought tools to aid them in that process. I am sure a few people joined in when they saw the mayhem, but if it hadn't have been for the inciters they might not have.
Apparently one guy brought his truck downtown and parked it on CBC plaza so that it could be lit on fire. It was apparently set up to do so and burnt far harder and more violently than a normal truck might have (the description I heard was someone saying the truck blew up like it was in a Hollywood movie).
I sincerely hope they nail the fuckers who were inciting the riot, and nail them hard - perhaps 20 years in prison would make them reconsider the error of their ways, or at least keep them off our streets for the next few hockey seasons.
"The first time I got drunk, I got married. The second time I bought a chimpanzee, after that I stayed sober" Arian Seid
Personally speaking, and I don't know about the rest of you? But, everytime I hear someone say "MY team won" (etc./et al - you know what I mean)??
It makes me PITY THEM at how poor their lives must have been to have to try to "identify" with a sports team...
At the same time & by the same token as well - It really makes me laugh as well, because I feel like asking them this question:
"Is YOUR name on the back of their jerseys? Are YOU out there being paid to play?? Are you an actual player, or were YOU ever one???"
I haven't met one yet, & I've lived nearly 1/2 a century...
It also reminds me of how I have seen women "identify" with other women and try to establish a "pecking order" when they are "clucking" amongst one another, in that almost EVERY TIME I have heard them say "My man does XYZ" like it's somekind of thing for their HUSBAND to be something (when they wasted their lives & are housewives only).
Seeing MEN act like that though? Friggin' pitiful... especially about sports & most times?? They're just "armchair quarterback" types.
* It's truly, pitiful... especially with men who are only telling me that when they were younger they ought to have been working out & running + training for a sport they enjoyed & loved so they COULD have made it past highschool sports @ least - because, it's just like with computers or anything really: How BAD did you want it, & were you willing to put in the time & effort to get there??
Anyone can - I think most of you know this though, but not many can hack it, & they end up being these guys!
APK
P.S.=> Some of you MAY not like that, but that's just how I feel about it... & most ESPECIALLY when I see people act like immature feral animals and destroy their city on some sporting event loss (or win even)!
Yes - It almost makes me ashamed to be part of the human race (not like I feel when I saw things like 911 which I think was a SCAM, or the Patriot Act going into place & nobody standing up against it or the b.s. wars we're into so the rich get richer though, or ENRON & Bushby + Darth Cheney etc. but bad enough)... it really does!
I mean - WTF is wrong with people: IT'S JUST A DAMN GAME! & I don't care if you had money riding on it either (probably especially then, because money ruined sports imo, & you're a fool to become a gambler - it's not a house that was built in winners and is addicting as drugs is imo)
... apk
No lie, & don't let ANYONE fool you by telling you otherwise either!
APK
P.S.=> LOL... just kidding!
In fact - I wholeheartedly, absolutely 110% AGREE WITH YOUR VIEWPOINT IN FACT!
E.G.-> I didn't like hearing this either & I replied my thoughts on THAT note, here http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2245862&cid=36473494 in this article thread...
... apk
"They rarely engaged directly with the rioters"
That's standard procedure.
Just look at the riots that happen at large demonstrations (G20 etc): virtually without exception riot police engages non-rioters long after the rioters have left the scene.
One of the perps has already been positively identified. Apprehension may be difficult, however.
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Yep, you just earned yourself the retard trophy. Good on you.
I want to point out how the police behaved in this riot. They stood their ground, but did not use an unnecessary force.
You haven't seen the video coverage on the BBC yet then? At 0:16 you can see what looks like a 2-3 officers holding down a person, while what looks like a female officer drops her elbow onto the persons spine 3 or 4 times.
While I can't tell the context of that encounter - I find it difficult to imagine a scenario where that level of violence was required on a suspect that was already being held down...? And while this is only one encounter - its still a unnecessary level of abuse directed towards a citizen by a person of authority.
What are you going to do when the exact same thing is requested of you by the federal government after political riots which, resulted from the continued destruction of our economic and currency systems while systematically chipping away at the US Constitution and basic human rights?
Mooooooooooooooo
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
1994 Riot: Mosh pits, hundreds of people repeatedly punching each other in the face, people falling off buildings, police dogs attacking, cops shooting people in the head with rubber bullets...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Il3UlV2ars
2011: A few cars on fire, some windows smashed, thousands people posing in front of it for photo ops in their pretty boots, a few minor slugfests, a lot of high fives, a generation of vapid media opportunists looking to make pretty pictures.
The provincial government has systematically gutted the court system, there are not enough sheriffs, judges and other law trade flunkeys to run the legal punishment assembly line. All anyone accused has to do is stall by the usual legal manoeuvrings. Their cases will be automatically dismissed after two years for failure to provide speedy trial. The criminals running BC fear due process - the BC Rail billion dollar fraud isn't far enough in the past quite yet.
I'm not a hockey fan, but had checked in on the game from time to time to see how it was going, and when I saw Boston up 4-0 in the 3rd period I knew Vancouver had lost, again.
A little later I looked out my window - I live in Burnaby, but have a panoramic view from Mount Seymour to Metrotown - saw the column of smoke rising from downtown Vancouver, and knew something had happened. I can't add to what the news has reported, or what others have said. I was disappointed, disgusted.
Yes, there is lots of excellent imagery that will make it relatively easy to identify and apprehend lots of the morons who were responsible. But the problem is deeper. Yes, we can try them, get payment for damages, and so on. The real problem, though, is a social one: how do we have so many people who thought it was cool (some clearly did) to riot, to loot stores, to destroy the property of others? That's the problem, and you can't solve it overnight.
...laura
Absolutely shocking - I thought Canadians were more civilised than this.
Unfortunately, Canadian civility is about real as Southern (*) hospitality. [* aka Southeastern US]
The police looking to capitalize on this feedback are the same ones that will employ the IR technology to trigger your iPhone to disable its camera.
Even in Vancouver, the sports event was non-violent and family friendly. It was the after-game party hosted by the city that got out of hand. From what I saw, the city was prepared to deal with mobs of hockey fans, but not prepared as well for the small group that was intentionally stirring things up -- people who were spread out and hiding in mobs of regular drunk hockey fans. The police were spread too thin to go chasing after these guys, so instead concentrated on damping the results of their antics, preventing further escalation, and did that quite well. There appeared to be very little rioting that didn't have premeditated intentional rioters at the core of it.
Thanks... I was thinking "what fits this in terms of the human psyche?" & you hit it on the head!
BUT, by "proxy"?? Again, see my 1st post & thoughts on being that way - to just plain"cut-to-the-chase" here, being that way is for LAME people!
I.E.-> Imo, @ least? Hey - If you're NOT in the game, you're out of the game, in essence...
(I mean, for example/e.g. -> Can you have sex by proxy or drive a car by proxy (and I don't mean masturbating or playing a video game about driving cars)? No, not really, lol!)
Funniest part is, I played a game called Lacrosse - & I was pretty good @ it believe-it-or-not (very violent, like hockey on the ground really & more "air-based" - Indians used to use it in fact in lieu of wars to settle disputes between tribes (killed one another playing too)).
That game also happens to also be Canada's national sport (not hockey like most folks assume & are incorrect on),
I did so all thru highschool in the area of the U.S.A. that produces its best players (northeast) &, I was fortunate to have learned it, initially, in the school district that produces the BEST teams (West Genesee) in the nation to this day in fact!
(W/ iirc, 24 national #1 champ since 1982, because in that neighborhood? Kids weren't playing football or baseball as much - it was lacrosse (their parents were smart - it was the easier route to scholarship rides is why than football etc. because of the coaching & area producing better talent than Maryland or Long Island (good in their own right too)).
There, You saw goals in backyards & schoolyards. Someone was always there shooting or playing!
(We filled the goal with wooden planks to act as the goalie (you have to be a bit nuts to play goalie in that sport imo - ball comes @ Nolan Ryan speeds is why, & is hard like a rock, trust me, being hit by it? HURTS, & badly!))
Then - after, when my parents split, I went to an All-County honorable mention top team (#17 in the state as opposed to #1 earlier) of hundreds of schools.
Anyhow/anyways:
There, I went on to become a lettermen @ a National Champ in the sport in Division II (one of my team's top-scorers in my freshmen yr. 1st yr. it was a varsity NCAA sport there in fact iirc as an attackman (you stay by goal & shoot, easier to score))
Then, they "forced me" to play midfield (lots of running - many MILES of it in fact during the game itself, nobody could play the whole game I ever met & I'd met the best there was (many All-Americans were my pals in fact)).
E.G. -> 1985 Letter "K" here http://www.lemoynedolphins.com/sports/mlax/history/mlaxletterwinners via 10 goals/9 assists my freshmen yr. as an attack + 2 goals as a middie as a sophomore (got injured & couldn't play again after that but scholarship still stayed (nice part about NCAA in those days - if you got injured, they didn't yank scholarship)).
BOTTOM-LINE: To this day, after that? I pretty much "put sports down", & got more serious about computers as I saw them as "the bright future" for employment (got lucky, I was right).
It was about putting away 'childish things' in other words, my duty was discharged for money really for school & done), even though I enjoyed them immensely.
(There was no professional level in those days, so, time to put it down & move on)
APK
P.S.=> After all, again as I said in my init. post? It's JUST A GAME, & that's all... nothing to get "nuts" about!
Even though I remember scoring on Syracuse U., the year-in & year-out national Division I champ, as a freshmen (we were Division II), & my family was there, my little brother especially who really liked it!
(LMAO - My little brother, 7-8 @ the time, then came up behind the SU benches after I scored & was tossing pebbles @ them saying:
"SU SUX" etc./et al
Please read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc
Black block is a tactic. It's not a group.
Basically, a bunch of thugs who like breaking shit know to show up wearing black. They may or may not know each other. The mass media is distorting this as if "Black bloc" were some sort of nefarious organized terrorist cell; pandering to fear-mongering and their "stay at home, lock your doors, hide your children, watch more commercial TV cha ching!" agenda, as usual.
By an off-topic AC troll? Hey - THAT does not qualify as valid argument. Especially with all 2 syllable words (the obvious extent of your vocabulary, lol!)
So - That "all said & aside"? Take your own advice:
"You're a fucking idiot. Go die in a fire." - by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 17, @07:21PM (#36481160)
Because I won't take advice from "the off topic trolling likes of YOU", goofy!
* See my subject-line above... Drink it in, & digest it (that will help you "wash it down" with "the bitter taste of YOUR defeat" - as you defeat yourself, as you always do...)
APK
P.S.=> So - You're "all done" trolling me on HOSTS files too I see, lol!
"Gee, I wonder WHY?" (not):
Here are 2 of your "classic technical blunders" in fact, Mr. AC troll, in regards to HOSTS files usage:
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E.G. #1 - LARGE HOSTS FILES BEING CACHED BY THE LOCAL KERNEL-MODE DISKCACHING SUBSYSTEM (recently here no less, you screwed up THERE, hugely):
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2220314&cid=36379004
E.G. #2 - HOSTS ON ANDROID PHONES (yes, they work there):
http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2204000&cid=36318508
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Proof's in the pudding, Mr. AC troll... and your blatant stupidity as well as your off topic trolling of myself on HOSTS files, and your BLOWING IT badly!
LMAO - "U FAIL", always, vs. myself: Simply because you don't possess the intellect OR information to get the best of me & you're reduced to illogical adhominem attacks!
... apk
Bostonians tend to riot when our teams WIN. Like, say, now.
I thought that was just a Los Angeles thing.
No, the parent is right and doesn't need to "get over himself." It's a totally reasonable reaction to a freakshow mob mentality.
Jeremiah Cornelius is talking to you http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2245866&cid=36480118
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