The reason for Amiga Inc. to build OS5 is because Tao's Elate isn't really suited as a stand alone desktop OS. That's where OS5 comes in, it will include stuff like MP, SMP etc..
AmigaDE will be hosted on OS4.x and integrated into OS5, but it will not *be* OS5.
Yes, AmigaDE is platform independant, but OS5 is not. And I seriously doubt Amiga Inc. have the resources to support more than one platform for OS5.
Why would it need to be revolutionay? Does every OS need to aim for worldomination?
I'm not looking for a revolutionary OS. Just a modern OS run on modern HW with modern Apps. I've been on this quest the last 5+ years and I'm still searching. I've tried Mac, various Linux' (Slackware was neat, the rest sucked), QNX RtP, BeOS. FreeBSD is the one the comes the closest to what I'm looking for, but it's not quite right.
If Amiga succeed in bringing the OS to inexpensive PPC-MoBo's, implement modern features (like MP) and cater for the community so it once again will have modern Apps and games, that's not 3+ years old, well, then I'll return home and leaving gigabytes of man-pages behind me!;)
No, it need not be revolutionary... it just needs to be home!
April fools day *stops* at 0.00 April 2nd, and this story is posted April 2nd at 5.00 am (CET). April fools day have been long gone. Can't take another whole day of lame stories.
So what makes a humanbeing these days? A species who doesn't have the time to live. First 20-25 years used to take a high paced race through childhood, youth, education. Preparing them for the "real" life.
Next 25-30 years spend at being a good taxpayer. Work, mortgage, carloan first. Prozac, painkillers, therapy and other stress/poor childhood induced diseases second. Life and family last... if there is resources left for that.
If they are lucky enough to survive "life" they are ready for retirement. The time to live. But to late. You are old, grumpy, your kids hate your. But you don't care, alzheimer have killed all memory of them.
I don't see why eternal youth should be so awful. You get time to grow up. You get time to take an education. You get time to be a parent. You get time to love. You get time to do your hobbies. You get time... to live!
The only downside is that you couldn't dual-boot any OS that didn't understand the new partition scheme. That's probably why noone has done it yet.
Well, the thing needs to be implementet at BIOS-level or grub at least to be taken serious. That every OS uses their own partition-scheme wont help anybody. Most OS's uses this primarty/extended and ofcorse most OS's "requires" you to boot of a primary partition.
This gave me a real headache recently, had to reorganise my HD's, I had run out of primary partitions. Eg, FreeBSD seems to only want to run off primary partitions.
... how about replacing this really stupid, crappy and annoying partition-scheme that seems to cripple the x86-architecture?
Primary, extended... etc.... what *is* that?
I *really* miss the way Amiga did it. Partition your drive as you see fit. Use *naming* instead of numbering of partitions. Remove, add, split, join partition without affecting the other partitions and needs to reconfigur (eg. hda9 suddenly become hda8 or hda10 or something).
Socialism is Karl Marx. Socialism is the rule of the few over the many. In socialism produktion, land, resources is *owned* by the government. Cuba is a socialist country.
This doesn't look like Canada or Denmark (from where I'm from), which also sometimes is regarded as a socialist country by some rightwing minds. I don't find this country socialist, more liberal.
But of course you knew all this, else you wouldn't be trolling anonymously.
This have been brewing in my head for some time now, and reading this this superb, well thought, documentet "rant" brought it back.
Back in the early 90s we got a new historyteacher, and the first time we entered his classroom we were met loud Bob Dylan-songs. The first words he spoke was something along the lines "As long as I live, socialism would live with me". We all shook our head. The Berlin wall had fallen, the for totalitarian regimes fell one by one setting their people free of opression. Socialism had lost. We - the western democracies - had won.
Or did we? I'm not sure anymore. Looking out onto the world, the internet, legislations, modern technology, gene research, patents etc. etc. I'm starting to get a bit scared. Where are we headed? Aren't we letting a new totalitarian international government in through the backdoor? A government, not elected, not by the people and not for the people. Isn't BigCorp gaining so much power and control that they totally outweights any countries real legally elected government?
Today I can take a book, read it whereever I want to, lent it to friends, quote it, sell it if I like to. I *own* the book. It's *mine*.
5-10 years from now, when books are electronical stored, what rights do I have left? If I bought it from my dekstop-computer, I'm only allowed to read it from that machine. Can't lent it to a friend, she doesn't have a license to read it. Reading it in the bathroom, I need and extra license to my small handheld. Quoting from the book, I might end up doing hard time for softwaretheft. And sell it, can't be done. And on top of that I need to be running endorsed copyprotective software/OS' (M$Apple?). I no longer *own* my book, I've only got a license with restrictive conditions.
10-20 years from now, when all communications, publishing, debate, socialising(?) is taking place on the Net/CyberWorld, what will happen with my right of free speech, my right to own, my freedom?
BigCorp *owns* every aspect of that world. BigCorps owns the cables, owns the ISPs, owns the contents. My virtual home isn't mine, it's BigCops, and my priviliges can be taken away with the click of a button. Exiling me into stoneage.
BigCorp monitors my every move in this world. Which sites I visit, who I talk to, what I buy, what I think, what I do.
BigCorp decides what kind of information, oppinions, truths, visions, dreams, politics I'm to be exposed to. BigCorp decides which of my oppinions is allowed to be exposed to others. Scary part is, that this is alreading happeing. Yesterday it was nazi-, kiddie-porn-, racistsites that got yanked ("who cares, those bastard should have a bullet throug their brains anyway"). Today it's hacking-, securty-, phreakingsites who fights for survival ("hey, I don't do piracy, so it doesn't concern me!"). Tomorrow? Who knows? OSS-sites? Liberal-sites? Socialist-sites? My site?
We are slowly loosing all those rights our ancestors fought and *died* for. And we aren't doing anything about it, to content with our lives. George Orwell were only a couple of decades off with his 1984...
How is this tomorrows world any different than the former totalitarian socialist countries? Can it be stopped? Or am I just being paranoid?
In Denmark we already got this "conviction and fine without due process"-tax on CD-R's ~50 cent, which goes directly to CopyDan, an organisation who proctects those "poor" artist who gets their stuff stolen, played or aired. CopyDan also gets money from cableTV-outlets, making artists getting paid... *twice*, once by the TV-stations, secondly by the consumers... *sigh*.
I plan to send a "bill" to the 179 members of Folketinget (parlament) everytime I take a backup of my system, burn an ISO of the latest Slackware etc.. I'd like to get my ~50 cents back for using the media legally, or if they think I'm breaking the law, charge me. I don't like to be punished for a crime I havn't committed.
... If every one did that... they'd be *spammed* to death.
Mike have an agenda: to promote/advocate Amiga. A noteworthy cause.
But preaching to the Slashdot-crowd is just plain stupid. It's like going to a KKK-meeting and preaching that all men are equal. You'll not live to tell about it.
So at best, Mike's efforts are just wasted... at worst, he accomplishes the opposite of his "mission goals".
I like Amiga, and I'd like to read insightfull comments to Amiga-stories. But not on Slashdot. Anything that's not linux, GPL or PS2 sux by defintion.
Slashdot Mirror
I'd like to know that to...
And Macrovision?
Bjarne
The reason for Amiga Inc. to build OS5 is because Tao's Elate isn't really suited as a stand alone desktop OS. That's where OS5 comes in, it will include stuff like MP, SMP etc..
AmigaDE will be hosted on OS4.x and integrated into OS5, but it will not *be* OS5.
Yes, AmigaDE is platform independant, but OS5 is not. And I seriously doubt Amiga Inc. have the resources to support more than one platform for OS5.
Bjarne
Why would it need to be revolutionay? Does every OS need to aim for worldomination?
;)
I'm not looking for a revolutionary OS. Just a modern OS run on modern HW with modern Apps. I've been on this quest the last 5+ years and I'm still searching. I've tried Mac, various Linux' (Slackware was neat, the rest sucked), QNX RtP, BeOS. FreeBSD is the one the comes the closest to what I'm looking for, but it's not quite right.
If Amiga succeed in bringing the OS to inexpensive PPC-MoBo's, implement modern features (like MP) and cater for the community so it once again will have modern Apps and games, that's not 3+ years old, well, then I'll return home and leaving gigabytes of man-pages behind me!
No, it need not be revolutionary... it just needs to be home!
Bjarne
It will make you feel at home again?
Bjarne
That's AmigaDE... not AmigaOS, which is going to be PPC-only.
Bjarne
... QNX RtP, MorhpOS and AmigaOS 4.x (ETA the end of this summer). All runs PPC as well.
These links might be interesting:
Pegasos PPC-board
Eyetechs AmigaOne PPC-boards
What really would make my day would be to see FreeBSD running on PPC.
Bjarne
This is getting soooo tiresome and anoying.
April fools day *stops* at 0.00 April 2nd, and this story is posted April 2nd at 5.00 am (CET). April fools day have been long gone. Can't take another whole day of lame stories.
Bjarne
So what makes a humanbeing these days? A species who doesn't have the time to live. First 20-25 years used to take a high paced race through childhood, youth, education. Preparing them for the "real" life.
... to live!
Next 25-30 years spend at being a good taxpayer. Work, mortgage, carloan first. Prozac, painkillers, therapy and other stress/poor childhood induced diseases second. Life and family last... if there is resources left for that.
If they are lucky enough to survive "life" they are ready for retirement. The time to live. But to late. You are old, grumpy, your kids hate your. But you don't care, alzheimer have killed all memory of them.
I don't see why eternal youth should be so awful. You get time to grow up. You get time to take an education. You get time to be a parent. You get time to love. You get time to do your hobbies. You get time
Is there a world outside the US?
The only downside is that you couldn't dual-boot any OS that didn't understand the new partition scheme. That's probably why noone has done it yet.
Well, the thing needs to be implementet at BIOS-level or grub at least to be taken serious. That every OS uses their own partition-scheme wont help anybody. Most OS's uses this primarty/extended and ofcorse most OS's "requires" you to boot of a primary partition.
This gave me a real headache recently, had to reorganise my HD's, I had run out of primary partitions. Eg, FreeBSD seems to only want to run off primary partitions.
Bjarne
... how about replacing this really stupid, crappy and annoying partition-scheme that seems to cripple the x86-architecture?
... what *is* that?
Primary, extended... etc.
I *really* miss the way Amiga did it. Partition your drive as you see fit. Use *naming* instead of numbering of partitions. Remove, add, split, join partition without affecting the other partitions and needs to reconfigur (eg. hda9 suddenly become hda8 or hda10 or something).
Just my 2 cents....
Pan is probably the best free newsreader for any platform,
Though Pan is a great newsreader it's far from the best newsreader. Try have a look at NewRog, it doesn't get better than that!
Grip (the best CD player/ripper combo)
Doesn't work with dagrab on my system.
GnomeICU
Just plain sucks, use everybuddy instead.
Bjarne
copyright exists and is a Good Thing
Why? Stating a human concept as some kind of logic natural law always baffles me.
What if copyright, ownership of ideas and thoughts, were a Bad Thing?
How would the world be like then?
Bjare
Use any license (apache, mozilla, Qt, whatever), anything goes with BSD. Use GPL and you're locked into GPL-land.
Bjarne
And saying GPL is better than BSD (or any other license for that matter) is like saying a world of conformity is better than a world of choice.
... time to take out your mao-uniform.
Bjarne
Why can't both licenses exist in the world simultaneously?
Look at the world. GPL is like a hive of Borgs, assimilating the world. One by one OSS must cave in into the GPL doctrine, like Trolltech.
BSD-license can coexist with any other license, well apart from GPL, which doesn't go well with any other than... yup, GPL!
GPL is just like a union-thing. Membership is "voluntary", just say goodbye to your job then, if you don't wanna be a member
GPL is just as "free" and tolerant as... Microsoft.
No, give me a free license instead.
Bjarne
Seriously, folks, what is it about Mac OS X that would make you shell out money for it when Linux is free?
Because it's usable?
Bjarne
... perhaps you should get your terms straight
social democrats != socialist.
Socialism is Karl Marx. Socialism is the rule of the few over the many. In socialism produktion, land, resources is *owned* by the government. Cuba is a socialist country.
This doesn't look like Canada or Denmark (from where I'm from), which also sometimes is regarded as a socialist country by some rightwing minds. I don't find this country socialist, more liberal.
But of course you knew all this, else you wouldn't be trolling anonymously.
Bjarne
This have been brewing in my head for some time now, and reading this this superb, well thought, documentet "rant" brought it back.
Back in the early 90s we got a new historyteacher, and the first time we entered his classroom we were met loud Bob Dylan-songs. The first words he spoke was something along the lines "As long as I live, socialism would live with me". We all shook our head. The Berlin wall had fallen, the for totalitarian regimes fell one by one setting their people free of opression. Socialism had lost. We - the western democracies - had won.
Or did we? I'm not sure anymore. Looking out onto the world, the internet, legislations, modern technology, gene research, patents etc. etc. I'm starting to get a bit scared. Where are we headed? Aren't we letting a new totalitarian international government in through the backdoor? A government, not elected, not by the people and not for the people. Isn't BigCorp gaining so much power and control that they totally outweights any countries real legally elected government?
Today I can take a book, read it whereever I want to, lent it to friends, quote it, sell it if I like to. I *own* the book. It's *mine*.
5-10 years from now, when books are electronical stored, what rights do I have left? If I bought it from my dekstop-computer, I'm only allowed to read it from that machine. Can't lent it to a friend, she doesn't have a license to read it. Reading it in the bathroom, I need and extra license to my small handheld. Quoting from the book, I might end up doing hard time for softwaretheft. And sell it, can't be done. And on top of that I need to be running endorsed copyprotective software/OS' (M$Apple?). I no longer *own* my book, I've only got a license with restrictive conditions.
10-20 years from now, when all communications, publishing, debate, socialising(?) is taking place on the Net/CyberWorld, what will happen with my right of free speech, my right to own, my freedom?
BigCorp *owns* every aspect of that world. BigCorps owns the cables, owns the ISPs, owns the contents. My virtual home isn't mine, it's BigCops, and my priviliges can be taken away with the click of a button. Exiling me into stoneage.
BigCorp monitors my every move in this world. Which sites I visit, who I talk to, what I buy, what I think, what I do.
BigCorp decides what kind of information, oppinions, truths, visions, dreams, politics I'm to be exposed to. BigCorp decides which of my oppinions is allowed to be exposed to others. Scary part is, that this is alreading happeing. Yesterday it was nazi-, kiddie-porn-, racistsites that got yanked ("who cares, those bastard should have a bullet throug their brains anyway"). Today it's hacking-, securty-, phreakingsites who fights for survival ("hey, I don't do piracy, so it doesn't concern me!"). Tomorrow? Who knows? OSS-sites? Liberal-sites? Socialist-sites? My site?
We are slowly loosing all those rights our ancestors fought and *died* for. And we aren't doing anything about it, to content with our lives. George Orwell were only a couple of decades off with his 1984...
How is this tomorrows world any different than the former totalitarian socialist countries? Can it be stopped? Or am I just being paranoid?
Who is winning?
Bjarne
In Denmark we already got this "conviction and fine without due process"-tax on CD-R's ~50 cent, which goes directly to CopyDan, an organisation who proctects those "poor" artist who gets their stuff stolen, played or aired. CopyDan also gets money from cableTV-outlets, making artists getting paid... *twice*, once by the TV-stations, secondly by the consumers... *sigh*.
I plan to send a "bill" to the 179 members of Folketinget (parlament) everytime I take a backup of my system, burn an ISO of the latest Slackware etc.. I'd like to get my ~50 cents back for using the media legally, or if they think I'm breaking the law, charge me. I don't like to be punished for a crime I havn't committed.
... If every one did that... they'd be *spammed* to death.
Bjarne
Yeah, so? Does that render AmigaDE more unreal??
Bjarne
*yawn* .. Tried the AmigeDE SDK? This is your: "... unless I really had one and people would actually use it."
So, drop your wisecracks...
Bjarne
Why should I?
If you claim that at Ferrari is no faster than a Trabant and just pure vapour, should I then just *buy* you one to prove my point?
Bjarne
Mike have an agenda: to promote/advocate Amiga. A noteworthy cause.
But preaching to the Slashdot-crowd is just plain stupid. It's like going to a KKK-meeting and preaching that all men are equal. You'll not live to tell about it.
So at best, Mike's efforts are just wasted... at worst, he accomplishes the opposite of his "mission goals".
I like Amiga, and I'd like to read insightfull comments to Amiga-stories. But not on Slashdot. Anything that's not linux, GPL or PS2 sux by defintion.
Bjarne
Have you actually *read* the results of all those submissions? Nothing but bitching, slashing, flaming, namecalling and a lot other trashing.
If one wanted to advocate for something that's not Linux (or PS2), one would stay far far away from the Slashdot crowd.
Mike have gained *zero* from those submissions. Apart from at bad attitude toward Amiga from the "enlighted" Slashdot-crowd...
So please Mike, give it up...
Bjarne