I don't know why people wants to keep posting these Amiga stories (well... and non Linux/PS2 in general) on Slashdot. It alway ends up in the same mudfight of illiteracy.
First there is the massive swarm of posts that states just how outdated AmigaOS, blitter, 68k, Kickstart are. Oblivious to the fact that AmigaDE shares little with classic Amiga, apart from the name and community.
Then there is the "vapour"-attacks, labeling AmigaDE as pure vapour, "come back when you have something to show" seems to be the mantra. Apparently all those "Know-it-all-linux-l33t-wannabees" missed the fact that Amiga Inc recently released it's 2nd edition of their SDK for linux and windows. It's actually possible test how much vapour there is in the "vapour-ware".
Then there are all those who keeps insisting on how slow java is. AmigaDE is not java. And those have actually *tested* the VM in AmigaDE are truely impressed by the speed. You don't beleive? Why don't the get at copy of the SDK and have a try yourself?
All these stupid comments ruins any serious comments that might have poped up. But I guess that's their agenda.
Welcome to Slashdot, yesterdays news for linux-l33t.
Interessting read. Sad it hasn't been moderated up more and noone commented it.
I'm not a programmer, but as a user I really like the idea of running the app of my choice on the OS of my choice.
As it stands now I've got to run multiple OS's (dual boot, emulators, different HW, whatever) to be able to run all my prefered apps.
And OS independent API really sounds cool.
But this is Slashdot... there is only GNU/linux/Gnome API, all else sucks, so why use time on an "inferior" API? Guess that's why your fine post is ignored.:-/
I've got a dogslow Amiga (040/25 MHz) with a measly 18MB RAM.
With this inferior maschine I can run AmIRC (the original which XChat is a clone of), V3 (*fast* webbrowser), YAM (mail-client) and NewRog (usenet-reader) at the same time with hardly any penaltys. And of the 2 later, I haven't come across any product that could surpass them in features and ease of use. And all this with a nice GUI.
How is that possible? Because AmigaOS is a slim and speedingly fast OS and the programmers knows how to program for it.
I tried installing linux on the same machine, while it was fun it was dog-slow. Pure swaphell. Had to run BlackBox, hardly able to run any apps.
Tried Mac as well (through shapeshifter). Went better, was able to run OS7.1... and not much more.
Lesson: You don't *need* fast CPU and a lot of RAM if it wasn't for bad programming. My old Amiga still feels way faster an more responsive than my K6-III/400 MHz w. 196 MB RAM running Slackware and Blackbox from which I'm writing this.
Slashdotter might praise how great linux is and how low it's memoryfootprint is. Yeah.. compared to Windows and other bloatware OS'. But linux (including X/GTK/QT) is still awfully bloated compared to OS' like Amiga.
Now, I'd really like an efficient OS with efficient apps for my 400MHz machine, it feels sooo slow.
You keep jabbing about that AmigaDE is just an emulator, how AmigaDE is not a "True Amiga" (whatever that is), jabbing about how it's only PPC and not 68k, x86, jabbing jabbing jabbing...
Oblivion to the fact that you can continue to use your Classic Amiga (Eyetech). Oblivion to the fact that it's not an emulator. Oblivion to the fact that it runs on "*any*" processor, oblivion to the scope of what's happening here. Jabbing jabbing jabbing like another clueless sheep.
Now... I've repeated myself for the X. time, and I won't be surprised to se you respond with the same jabbering once again.
Thus, EOD. There is no gain in trying to educate you. Now, go play with your pal Tim Rue...
If you can spend that much energy and time to write up all this bull, why haven't you bothered to spend measly 5 minutes reading the Amiga One specs. You could have saved yourself a lot of embarresments...
... does these fools constantly try to push these non-linux stories?
Everybuddy knows that/. isn't a serious fora anymore. Anything that hasn't the Stallman Seal of Approval gets the axe on/.. Be it QNX, BeOS or Amiga... hey... even xBSD gets slashed once in a while.
... well... except when your name is Apple og Sony, then you get a lot of free add's and praise from the same lot who just finished trashing the newest non-GPL tidbits.
So submitters... pleeeeeease stop pushing for those stories... the/. crowd have become to narrowminded to fathom the scope of what's happening outside the linux world....
Tried out FreeBSD a couple of month ago. Loved the ports. Loved the userPPP. Well, just loved most of the system.
Except, I couldn't get ESD working. Hanged Gnome-startup for ever. Since I'm only using my computer as a desktop-computer, that rendered FreeBSD useless for me. And I couldn't find any help to fix this.
So I'm back with Slackware. But perhaps I just should drop Gnome alltogether and go KDE2...
That being said: It seems that the KDE developers, no matter what they do, no matter what good intentions they hold, always gets bashed by the GNU/GNOME/RMS camp.
I TOTALLY agree with you. I'm a gnome user too, and havn't got a singe KDE-app installed.
But these eternal fights of GPL bullying other OSS projects into submission is leaving me sick.
The word "free" is loosing it's meaning every time GPL victimises another OSS project.
GPL have become a relegion noone dare question, more than a sane choice, as it should be.
I thought the Open Source movement was about freedom. But now we are left with to evils. GPL og M$...
But perhaps it's to hard to flame something as long as you don't have an politically correct GPL licenced alternative ready?
Damn, I'm starting to dislike GPL and it's fanatic followers more and more each day.
Bjarne
Another GPL victim...
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Why does *every* OSS need to be GPL? I thought OSS was about *freedom*, freedom of choice. But it seems that GPL doesn't allow other OSS-licenses and tries to "strangle" all of it's opponents...
... that's not freedom... that's totalitarianism...
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READ: VaporWare, when is amiga ever going to actually release something and just stop promising to?
This is apparently vapour. Yes, vapour, read in on Slashdot, thus it must be true! The AmigaDE SDK is pure vapour.
Repeating a lie doesn't make it more true!
Bjarne
I don't know why people wants to keep posting these Amiga stories (well... and non Linux/PS2 in general) on Slashdot. It alway ends up in the same mudfight of illiteracy.
First there is the massive swarm of posts that states just how outdated AmigaOS, blitter, 68k, Kickstart are. Oblivious to the fact that AmigaDE shares little with classic Amiga, apart from the name and community.
Then there is the "vapour"-attacks, labeling AmigaDE as pure vapour, "come back when you have something to show" seems to be the mantra. Apparently all those "Know-it-all-linux-l33t-wannabees" missed the fact that Amiga Inc recently released it's 2nd edition of their SDK for linux and windows. It's actually possible test how much vapour there is in the "vapour-ware".
Then there are all those who keeps insisting on how slow java is. AmigaDE is not java. And those have actually *tested* the VM in AmigaDE are truely impressed by the speed. You don't beleive? Why don't the get at copy of the SDK and have a try yourself?
All these stupid comments ruins any serious comments that might have poped up. But I guess that's their agenda.
Welcome to Slashdot, yesterdays news for linux-l33t.
Bjarne
Interessting read. Sad it hasn't been moderated up more and noone commented it.
:-/
I'm not a programmer, but as a user I really like the idea of running the app of my choice on the OS of my choice.
As it stands now I've got to run multiple OS's (dual boot, emulators, different HW, whatever) to be able to run all my prefered apps.
And OS independent API really sounds cool.
But this is Slashdot... there is only GNU/linux/Gnome API, all else sucks, so why use time on an "inferior" API? Guess that's why your fine post is ignored.
Bjarne
I've got a dogslow Amiga (040/25 MHz) with a measly 18MB RAM.
With this inferior maschine I can run AmIRC (the original which XChat is a clone of), V3 (*fast* webbrowser), YAM (mail-client) and NewRog (usenet-reader) at the same time with hardly any penaltys. And of the 2 later, I haven't come across any product that could surpass them in features and ease of use. And all this with a nice GUI.
How is that possible? Because AmigaOS is a slim and speedingly fast OS and the programmers knows how to program for it.
I tried installing linux on the same machine, while it was fun it was dog-slow. Pure swaphell. Had to run BlackBox, hardly able to run any apps.
Tried Mac as well (through shapeshifter). Went better, was able to run OS7.1... and not much more.
Lesson: You don't *need* fast CPU and a lot of RAM if it wasn't for bad programming. My old Amiga still feels way faster an more responsive than my K6-III/400 MHz w. 196 MB RAM running Slackware and Blackbox from which I'm writing this.
Slashdotter might praise how great linux is and how low it's memoryfootprint is. Yeah.. compared to Windows and other bloatware OS'. But linux (including X/GTK/QT) is still awfully bloated compared to OS' like Amiga.
Now, I'd really like an efficient OS with efficient apps for my 400MHz machine, it feels sooo slow.
Bjarne
This only points at your lack of reading skills.
You keep jabbing about that AmigaDE is just an emulator, how AmigaDE is not a "True Amiga" (whatever that is), jabbing about how it's only PPC and not 68k, x86, jabbing jabbing jabbing...
Oblivion to the fact that you can continue to use your Classic Amiga (Eyetech). Oblivion to the fact that it's not an emulator. Oblivion to the fact that it runs on "*any*" processor, oblivion to the scope of what's happening here. Jabbing jabbing jabbing like another clueless sheep.
Now... I've repeated myself for the X. time, and I won't be surprised to se you respond with the same jabbering once again.
Thus, EOD. There is no gain in trying to educate you. Now, go play with your pal Tim Rue...
Bjarne
You have nooo clue...
Bjarne
So you are *totally* oblivion about the Eyetech's A1200/A4000 add-ons?
So you are *totally* in the dark what beast AmigaDE really is?
And finally... you've got no clue to what "emulation". If so... MUI, GTK, AnyAPI would be emulators...
Now... go away... I think your mom i calling for you... time to be breastfed...
Bjarne
Emulation? Who on earth are talking about emulation? Except ThePeopleWhoHaveNoClue that is.
You haven't grasp'ed the concept, and you'll propably never will...
Bjarne
... you still have no clue...
.. your loss... our gain...
Bjarne
... well... I'll do it quick, since you can *read* most of the stuff elsewhere...
Firstly... your ramble about PPC, x86 etc... Well, mister wise-guy... AmigaDE actually *runs* on x86... and a lot of other CPU's...
Secondly... you can use your beloved Classic Amiga to run AmigaOS 3.9, 4.0 and AmigaDE...
Thirdly... if all goes well... you'll be able to run your classic apps just fine on AmigaDE...
Lastly... well... just get your finger out your butt and use WWW to something constructive... like *learning* what AmigaDE is all about...
Bjarne
LOL... why on earth was I moderated down for that?
Geez... som people really shouldn't be allowed to moderate...
Bjarne
If you can spend that much energy and time to write up all this bull, why haven't you bothered to spend measly 5 minutes reading the Amiga One specs. You could have saved yourself a lot of embarresments...
... next time, just keep quiet, ok?
Bjarne
Have you read slashdot lately?
Bjarne
... does these fools constantly try to push these non-linux stories?
/. isn't a serious fora anymore. Anything that hasn't the Stallman Seal of Approval gets the axe on /.. Be it QNX, BeOS or Amiga... hey... even xBSD gets slashed once in a while.
/. crowd have become to narrowminded to fathom the scope of what's happening outside the linux world....
Everybuddy knows that
... well... except when your name is Apple og Sony, then you get a lot of free add's and praise from the same lot who just finished trashing the newest non-GPL tidbits.
So submitters... pleeeeeease stop pushing for those stories... the
... time to loose some karma...
Bjarne
... hmm... as I seem to recall no one really knows the questions, the mice kinda lost it...
Have you read the book?
Bjarne
... topic...
Bjarne
... kewl... while trying to post the above:
Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted.
PLEASE DON'T USE SO MANY CAPS. USING CAPS IS LIKE YELLING!
... count... *3* capital-letters...
Anything that hasn't the Stallman seal of approval (GPL) is by default crap on /.
Bjarne
Of course Napster should be shut down. Its users are thieves.
Of course guns should be outlawed. It's users are murderes.
Bjarne
Amen to that!
Bjarne
Tried out FreeBSD a couple of month ago. Loved the ports. Loved the userPPP. Well, just loved most of the system.
Except, I couldn't get ESD working. Hanged Gnome-startup for ever. Since I'm only using my computer as a desktop-computer, that rendered FreeBSD useless for me. And I couldn't find any help to fix this.
So I'm back with Slackware. But perhaps I just should drop Gnome alltogether and go KDE2...
Bjarne
That being said: It seems that the KDE developers, no matter what they do, no matter what good intentions they hold, always gets bashed by the GNU/GNOME/RMS camp.
I TOTALLY agree with you. I'm a gnome user too, and havn't got a singe KDE-app installed.
But these eternal fights of GPL bullying other OSS projects into submission is leaving me sick.
The word "free" is loosing it's meaning every time GPL victimises another OSS project.
GPL have become a relegion noone dare question, more than a sane choice, as it should be.
I thought the Open Source movement was about freedom. But now we are left with to evils. GPL og M$...
Sucks...
Bjarne
This have me puzzled as well.
But perhaps it's to hard to flame something as long as you don't have an politically correct GPL licenced alternative ready?
Damn, I'm starting to dislike GPL and it's fanatic followers more and more each day.
Bjarne
Why does *every* OSS need to be GPL? I thought OSS was about *freedom*, freedom of choice. But it seems that GPL doesn't allow other OSS-licenses and tries to "strangle" all of it's opponents...
... that's not freedom... that's totalitarianism...
just my 2 cents...
Bjarne
2 flaws!
1) If "Big Bob" wanted intelligent life, we wouldn't be here!
2) Bringing "Big Bob" into an argument about logic automatically fails. "Big Bob" isn't logic. "Big Bob" isn't even real!
So burry your "Big Bob" with your other kids tales, and leave science alone!
Bjarne
IIRC, under EU law reverse engineering is indeed legal, for the purposes of interoperability.
So why haven't we seen a Open Source DVD-player based on DeCSS?
Bjarne