well, isn't google putting the books up for free? and afaik its not like google is changing the product, but only providing it.
I'm curious why this matters at all since the information is already publicly available and google is, for free, facilitating access to it.
So, in a way what you are saying makes sense... that you can probably only get it from google... but it doesn't make sense in that having other choices even matters at all because what the product is, it is (google isn't changing it), and what you're getting is FREE.
Interesting... If you don't mind, I have one more question...
Who was it that gave all of this to Google? Why was this not a problem until google got it? Shouldn't they be investigating the prior owners of this 'bundle'?
and lastly.. WTF!? This sounds like a big waste of tax dollars.
Can someone please post information that relates to what Google is actually doing in the first place? I'm sure I could google it, but it would be nice to see people making posts on slashdot where the subject at hand is sufficiently described or referenced.
Exactly. The incompetent prosecuter screwed this one up big time, and ultimately did everyone a disservice by not knowing the law.
Fortunately, they can charge her again.. Why? You can't be held for the SAME crime twice, but in this case they screwed up so bad that the actual crime is completely different from the one that failed!
There are probably laws against the ability to verbally (in this case 'textually') abuse a minor. That is the case at hand.
Charging her with 'hacking' is b.s., and tying a private companies' terms of service into the mix is a mistake as well.
What needs to happen is that the charges need to be aligned with what actually happened. There are a bagillion laws in this country, and to resort to false charges of 'hacking' for lack of having sought applicable charges.... it just seems lazy to me.
I am in agreement with dismissing convictions/charges that are NOT what they were intended for and are out of place. This doesn't mean I think this woman is innocent --- it means they need to try again, and charge her with the actual crimes she has done.
And, fyi, it wasn't Lori Drew to suggest suicide, it was the other gal. (This to help you clarify your argument)
I think the difference being mentioned between nethack and 'grinding' is probably that (and nethack excluded) most games are simply too damn easy nowadays.
I know by being a gamer since 88' or so I must have a lot more developed skills and such --- but -- really... I put games on the hardest levels and almost never die or 'restart' or whatever the form of LOSS is that happens in games.
Games are just too damn easy. Mario for NES was hard and took work. Anyone remember Abadox? Or Battletoads? Most games were much harder.
But at present, games have all these things to tell you exactly where to go, a million places to save (if not at any damn point), and a hundred other incentives to basically always keep you going. And then, without the challenge, people are just not as excited by games and in this case, the work of the game in many RPGs has simply been reduced to a 'grind'.
On the new Prince of Persia, you can't make the mistake of falling off a cliff... some magic chick comes and pulls you up EVERY SINGLE TIME. YOU CAN"T LOSE! To me, that's boring.
I'm guessing somewhere in the business/marketing/sales department, richer gaming companies have figured out that permitting noobs to continually succeed generates more sales... Who knows... That has basically been my assumption as I've seen game sales climb while the net difficulty dropping significantly...
I guess my point is that easiness/laziness seems to sell more games, and even if it gets boring, it probably outsells equivalent games that carry challenge and accomplishment. Hell, much of the reason of the MMORPG is to fulfill the lack of accomplishment in our mediocre reality by becoming doctors and architects with only a week's worth of effort... We grind through university, quickly forgetting why we took ethics and US History --- and all the important material we were required to learn..................
Anyway.. Games are too damn easy now. I just read some article where nintendo is setting up to actually put the game on auto-pilot and have it play FOR you.....:/ (no comment). It would be nice to be challenged/pushed. Many of us are begging for it, but multiplayer competition is pretty much the only place where we can find it. Game Dev's themselves are pandering to the weak for quick cash -- no wonder the real work is being generated in competition communities.
All the meat you've eaten up until now, and survived (said 'thrived') after eating.... has been produced without this 'safety measure'. You're fine... but now that your security has been suggested (lol, power of suggestion), now you're concerned. Were you concerned and already thinking about this concept last week? No. You had a burger w/ cheese and a glass of milk and you were thinking about something else...
But now that you're scared of cattle-TB... well... now you're ready to serve the exact desired response of fear/security based arguments.
This seriously is a move for big cattle businesses to crush small cattle businesses that cannot adapt to the changes as readily as mandated. This is nothing new --- legislature like this is pushed all the time by big business, and not just in agriculture but most big business as it stands. If you pay attention, you'll see the same anti-competitive attempts being pushed by all kinds of lobbies in the name of 'safety'.
I'm 27 and since 1981 all my food has been gtg. I'm sorry you're scared now, but a quick look into your past and how little (if any) your food was actually compromised will bring you back to reality.
The ecological repercussions due to the unadapted ecosystems may very well be tremendous. With all life on earth requiring one another in almost every case, including us --- that potential can be very alarming, amid loads of empirical evidence to draw that suggestion to represent what we know as the most likely outcome. The world is not THAT big, what we do DOES matter.
I think the idea of wealth/$$$ over life may very well be the ends of many. I would personally live like a chimp to enjoy my lasting moments on this Earth in the wonderful life we live.
You're wrong in that you do not have the necessary education to understand the observable data in a relevant and significant manner.
That is why you are having problems. You can understand, but it will take work and effort to learn on your part. The great thing about science is that published work is reproducible. You can be the guy who reproduces the established work you are currently skeptic of. This happens a lot in science because skepticism is a big part of the peer review process.
I'm sorry you don't get it; if you were a horse, you're going to have to lead yourself to the water to quench your thirst for a better understanding of reality.
Are you suggesting that Hillary Clinton would have been any 'better' or different than Obama?
lol.
I guess you didn't get who you wanted and now you're going to write a lot about the guy you didn't want while conveniently leaving out the obvious parallels of your own choice.
B.S. The evidence that human activity amounts for huge production of CO2 that is beyond natural activity is clear.
The evidence of where that CO2 goes is clear.
The evidence of the physical properties of CO2, as a greenhouse gas, sitting low in the atmosphere and retaining heat, is clear.
---- that, to me, is sufficient to say we should start caring about what we do. If you need evidence that human activity has consequences worth your attention, close your garage door, start your car and sit there for about 20 minutes.
You don't need to know much to know what is coming, but if it isn't convenient to take the time to learn and understand what is going on, opt to be the silent ignoramus instead of the opining ignoramus.
The great thing about science is that you can also do it yourself. Get involved if you're skeptical, you might learn something.
The internet is so big that Google and Facebook are swinging their swords, but are nowhere near each other and cannot really hurt each other. There is room for both 'ways', among the many many other ways the internet will be used as well. There is still a big IRC following and surprisingly a lot of people still on Usenet. I think its silly to act like the Google meme or the Facebook meme is in any way an 'end all' solution or method for use of the internet.
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But, in this case, the crime was hacking.... since the actual crime was different, they can charge with that instead.
well, isn't google putting the books up for free? and afaik its not like google is changing the product, but only providing it.
I'm curious why this matters at all since the information is already publicly available and google is, for free, facilitating access to it.
So, in a way what you are saying makes sense... that you can probably only get it from google... but it doesn't make sense in that having other choices even matters at all because what the product is, it is (google isn't changing it), and what you're getting is FREE.
work takes work.
Interesting... If you don't mind, I have one more question...
Who was it that gave all of this to Google? Why was this not a problem until google got it? Shouldn't they be investigating the prior owners of this 'bundle'?
and lastly.. WTF!? This sounds like a big waste of tax dollars.
Can someone please post information that relates to what Google is actually doing in the first place? I'm sure I could google it, but it would be nice to see people making posts on slashdot where the subject at hand is sufficiently described or referenced.
OMG those were hard.
Now... the ultimate.....
Fester's Adventure!
1 hit.. 1 life... you die.. game starts over.. That was actually the whole selling point of the game on commercials, I remember. LMFAO. WTF!
You won't be blowing me anytime soon.
They can charge them with the actual crimes they did the next time around.
Good Point +1
Exactly. The incompetent prosecuter screwed this one up big time, and ultimately did everyone a disservice by not knowing the law.
Fortunately, they can charge her again.. Why? You can't be held for the SAME crime twice, but in this case they screwed up so bad that the actual crime is completely different from the one that failed!
There are probably laws against the ability to verbally (in this case 'textually') abuse a minor. That is the case at hand.
Charging her with 'hacking' is b.s., and tying a private companies' terms of service into the mix is a mistake as well.
What needs to happen is that the charges need to be aligned with what actually happened. There are a bagillion laws in this country, and to resort to false charges of 'hacking' for lack of having sought applicable charges.... it just seems lazy to me.
I am in agreement with dismissing convictions/charges that are NOT what they were intended for and are out of place. This doesn't mean I think this woman is innocent --- it means they need to try again, and charge her with the actual crimes she has done.
And, fyi, it wasn't Lori Drew to suggest suicide, it was the other gal. (This to help you clarify your argument)
I think the difference being mentioned between nethack and 'grinding' is probably that (and nethack excluded) most games are simply too damn easy nowadays.
I know by being a gamer since 88' or so I must have a lot more developed skills and such --- but -- really... I put games on the hardest levels and almost never die or 'restart' or whatever the form of LOSS is that happens in games.
Games are just too damn easy. Mario for NES was hard and took work. Anyone remember Abadox? Or Battletoads? Most games were much harder.
But at present, games have all these things to tell you exactly where to go, a million places to save (if not at any damn point), and a hundred other incentives to basically always keep you going. And then, without the challenge, people are just not as excited by games and in this case, the work of the game in many RPGs has simply been reduced to a 'grind'.
On the new Prince of Persia, you can't make the mistake of falling off a cliff... some magic chick comes and pulls you up EVERY SINGLE TIME. YOU CAN"T LOSE! To me, that's boring.
I'm guessing somewhere in the business/marketing/sales department, richer gaming companies have figured out that permitting noobs to continually succeed generates more sales... Who knows... That has basically been my assumption as I've seen game sales climb while the net difficulty dropping significantly...
I guess my point is that easiness/laziness seems to sell more games, and even if it gets boring, it probably outsells equivalent games that carry challenge and accomplishment. Hell, much of the reason of the MMORPG is to fulfill the lack of accomplishment in our mediocre reality by becoming doctors and architects with only a week's worth of effort... We grind through university, quickly forgetting why we took ethics and US History --- and all the important material we were required to learn. .................
Anyway.. Games are too damn easy now. I just read some article where nintendo is setting up to actually put the game on auto-pilot and have it play FOR you. .... :/ (no comment). It would be nice to be challenged/pushed. Many of us are begging for it, but multiplayer competition is pretty much the only place where we can find it. Game Dev's themselves are pandering to the weak for quick cash -- no wonder the real work is being generated in competition communities.
You mean the aluminum foil industry. Chances are, they are making the hats and the reasoning for them, all on their own.
By and large, you are right. I made a post about this same thing...
But... the internet does have some useful information on it as well, and periodically, people stumble into it and become aware.
... even developing countries can find media for masturbation, babble on and on about petty personal issues on social sites, and get spammed.
Not that it matters -- we're all just as stupid for the wastes of time we get involved in, developed country or not.
All the meat you've eaten up until now, and survived (said 'thrived') after eating.... has been produced without this 'safety measure'. You're fine... but now that your security has been suggested (lol, power of suggestion), now you're concerned. Were you concerned and already thinking about this concept last week? No. You had a burger w/ cheese and a glass of milk and you were thinking about something else...
But now that you're scared of cattle-TB... well... now you're ready to serve the exact desired response of fear/security based arguments.
This seriously is a move for big cattle businesses to crush small cattle businesses that cannot adapt to the changes as readily as mandated. This is nothing new --- legislature like this is pushed all the time by big business, and not just in agriculture but most big business as it stands. If you pay attention, you'll see the same anti-competitive attempts being pushed by all kinds of lobbies in the name of 'safety'.
I'm 27 and since 1981 all my food has been gtg. I'm sorry you're scared now, but a quick look into your past and how little (if any) your food was actually compromised will bring you back to reality.
No, I'm just failing to see how what you said makes any realistic sense.
I think the report should be read and acknowledged, then compared to the rest of the data and information available.
The ecological repercussions due to the unadapted ecosystems may very well be tremendous. With all life on earth requiring one another in almost every case, including us --- that potential can be very alarming, amid loads of empirical evidence to draw that suggestion to represent what we know as the most likely outcome. The world is not THAT big, what we do DOES matter.
I think the idea of wealth/$$$ over life may very well be the ends of many. I would personally live like a chimp to enjoy my lasting moments on this Earth in the wonderful life we live.
You're wrong in that you do not have the necessary education to understand the observable data in a relevant and significant manner.
That is why you are having problems. You can understand, but it will take work and effort to learn on your part. The great thing about science is that published work is reproducible. You can be the guy who reproduces the established work you are currently skeptic of. This happens a lot in science because skepticism is a big part of the peer review process.
I'm sorry you don't get it; if you were a horse, you're going to have to lead yourself to the water to quench your thirst for a better understanding of reality.
Probably because it is false?
There are numerous REASONS that back the arguments to regulate CO2.
There is a big difference between quashing a report and calling the guy an enviro-terrorist.
Your point is weak.
Are you suggesting that Hillary Clinton would have been any 'better' or different than Obama?
lol.
I guess you didn't get who you wanted and now you're going to write a lot about the guy you didn't want while conveniently leaving out the obvious parallels of your own choice.
40 years ago, the global warming theories were probably discarded...
but... as science goes... as empirical evidence is observed, reproduced, and understood ... theories change.
It is nice to see that we've made progress from not knowing or caring, to acknowledgment and at least an effort to begin action.
B.S. The evidence that human activity amounts for huge production of CO2 that is beyond natural activity is clear.
The evidence of where that CO2 goes is clear.
The evidence of the physical properties of CO2, as a greenhouse gas, sitting low in the atmosphere and retaining heat, is clear.
---- that, to me, is sufficient to say we should start caring about what we do. If you need evidence that human activity has consequences worth your attention, close your garage door, start your car and sit there for about 20 minutes.
You don't need to know much to know what is coming, but if it isn't convenient to take the time to learn and understand what is going on, opt to be the silent ignoramus instead of the opining ignoramus.
The great thing about science is that you can also do it yourself. Get involved if you're skeptical, you might learn something.
(fyi, i'm a scientist)
Are you saying that by learning things people change their actions and opinions?
I sure hope that is what happens when people get educated. Thanks for making the phenomenon evident by your observation.
The internet is so big that Google and Facebook are swinging their swords, but are nowhere near each other and cannot really hurt each other. There is room for both 'ways', among the many many other ways the internet will be used as well. There is still a big IRC following and surprisingly a lot of people still on Usenet. I think its silly to act like the Google meme or the Facebook meme is in any way an 'end all' solution or method for use of the internet.