I think it is safe to say that it is foolish, short sighted, and obviously ignorant -- to not understand the extreme necessity of that change to arise ASAP, and put self-interest above an important resolution that affects everyone worldwide.
But, then again, some people implicitly trust science dozens of times per day as they benefit from its products (electricity, technology, knowledge) -- but find it easy to ignore for convenience.
It is short sighted to care about the noise of the windmill when your grandkids will suffer for not doing something NOW. It is ignorant not to understand or even acknowledge the factors that make this so important. And it is foolish, just as it was short sighted, to make decisions in that way.
And now I guess, since the world isn't yet destroyed by man, its only a matter of opinion as to which choice is better, right? Forget the fire alarm, you need to be engulfed in flames before exiting the building!! (sarcasm).
People have become lazy, and that's more the root of my point in that response than anything else. The new assumption is that we can all sit around and use mindpower to deal with things that require actual physical work and interaction.
As a whole, America is becoming nearly worthless due to this trend.
The necessary changes will require work at the individual level. If it were supposed to happen in a timely manner at some greater social level, it should have happened over 15 years ago.
I'm sorry you're too weak to actually do anything. I"m glad taking pot shots on slashdot is doing you a lot of good since you chose to do that than spend your time actually learning how to do something ---- work a wrench? use a pair of pliers? What is this?!?! OH! Foreign objects! You, too, can do shit on your own. The money you think will always pay for it will not always be there -- even your trust fund can burn in a fire.
I guess you've got something intellectual to deliver, something of real value (mind you, your words pass through the 'net like a fart in the wind, but your labor on a car might get you something useful to you). Nevermind that. Let's hear some more effort.
Ahhhh.. Well I read the words being used as if liberalism or socialism is a bad thing, and then finger pointing at Obama and delivering the terms in that manner... This was regarding the concept of political relativism and the use of liberal/conservative.
I'd hate to tell ya, but aside from a few years of irrational response to fear mongering, the US has only become more and more liberal (as the previous post mentions the norm to be centrist) since FDR and JFK.
It was a porche replica kit car to begin with. I think it was about 4500 for the basic kit and required a VW Bug chassis that was bought for a few hundred.
How is this big distraction of how to implement this change relate to your inquiry of the relevance of my original statement? I will agree that we could highly compensate the people in the immediate area, or place some extra focus on specific loci. But that is one big distraction from the greater purpose of my response, that these people are indeed ignorant and short sighted -- and that this change needs to happen with or without their smiles.
Sorry.. I just can't let you take this conversation farther away from the topic of 'relevance' that you started with me.
Not nearly as liberal or socialist as FDR or JFK. And they are still praised to this day for what they have done for this country. Sorry to burst your distortion bubble.
You are wrong. My friend's father built an electric porche for 12k in the early 90s. The car has a range of nearly 200 miles if I recall, and still runs wonderfully to this day.
Please, by all means, STFU and quit spewing paid-pundit lies from TV.
Learn and know for yourself -- Get involved and quit echoing the words of liars that you love to trust.
Well, FYI the government is also supposed to protect its countrymen. This is to include promoting a market for more sensible transportation that is not sourced from fossil fuels (given we change our ways of electricity production as well).
The damage to be incurred by not making serious changes yesterday (said "now") is worth your attention whether you're educated enough to understand it or not. If you don't understand why this is important, get the education and understand, or sit back and trust those that do.
I thought fear mongering was for politicians and news organizations...
Panasonic must have hired some dick-head, former Halliburton CEO, ex-politician, consultant... I'm guessing he dug up some huge stacks of intel to pull the Panasonic leadership aside and let them know that everyone's safety is at stake --- terrorists are making rogue 3rd party batteries!!!
For your safety, of course. No ulterior motive here.
The issue I take with your approach is that it allows a relatively insignificant number of people to carry a disproportionate amount of power in a matter of extremely important interest that impacts everyone, worldwide.
And while disregarding the short sighted complaints may cause tension with those few, the benefit of the action not only outweighs that cost by leaps and bounds, but also addresses a NECESSARY change by one of the few possible options available (all of which will have a minority of short sighted whiners). I think the people should be greatly compensated via. eminent domain-like action, but that's a separate point of discussion as well.
In the end, I see it as a matter of a child wanting to keep her Dora-Explorer doll and crying when you take it away... to sell it... because your family has no other option and will be completely homeless and starving if they did not make that sacrifice. The child, too, saves her home and ability to be fed -- even though she was forced through tears to meet that end. Alternatively, if nothing is done and the child is given power over the decision, the whole family goes bankrupt, is homeless, and starves.
The difference is whether we should pander to an insignificant number of short sighted whiners on an issue that BILLIONS of people need to fix as soon as effin' possible.
The house is on fire... go back in for the dora doll, or get your wife and kids out of the damn fire?! Oh, the tears... And the sacrifice that was made to LIVE and have those tears.... Think about it.
(None of this argument will make sense to people of faith that think God is in control and our actions do not matter. To them I ask, why did God make the holocaust, 9/11, and fetal alcohol syndrome? GTFO.)
This isn't your fucking business. Steve jobs is not Apple --- I don't care how silly you money hungry jerks get to feeling when you think he might be sick --- its not your fucking business. If you think your investment actually matters based on the health of a person, its probably not a good investment. Get over it and get out of the man's personal life.
And F' to your counter arguments based around MONEY. I don't care, and any sane person that isn't self interested (said 'greedy') would recognize that the man's privacy is much more valuable than all of Apple.
If the difference between the choice to make energy cleanly, efficiently, and with amazingly low overhead (i.e. once it pays for itself, the energy is relatively free, or maintain archaic fossil fuel energy production methods that have drastic global impacts on all of us and our futures.... is made by not acknowledging that important fact (due to ignorance), or by selfish disregard (bothered by noise) -- -then I would say they are being foolish and short sighted (and as we already know, making decisions from ignorance).
Relevant.
Deal with noise, or deal with dire consequences of not making important changes to energy production NOW?
I think the impacts we may face with wind are a drop in a bucket of 'worry' that we currently face with our current/archaic fossil fuel approaches to energy.
As I've said before, the limit to relatively free and clean energy is not the technology (we have had it for decades), it is the education and knowledge of the people who will want it (or their lack of such knowledge).
Don't listen to a paid 'analyst' tell you what is real; chances are it isn't what is real. Do the learning and knowing on your own, look shit up! Get educated!
Get outside and just start talking to people. talk to people at work, at mcdonalds, at the mall, etc.
Start talking and interacting with people and the friendships and relationships will follow. You simply need to get people to know you, even if its your opinion about the burger they're eating while they sit next to you --- to get the seed of a fruitful relationship planted.
And, from a guy who has been a computer nerd since 1993 (when i was 12), computers and geekery (aka via. technology) will not (generally) facilitate an answer for you in this department. Forums, myspace, facebook, whatever... they will all fail you in that your correspondence lacks real impact and emotion and it will not be taken as seriously or with the level of importance that a personal conversation has.
Get out there, start talking. You will eventually find people that like you, and possibly a chick that wants to do you.
Good luck out there. If there is anything else I can add, in big cities its harder to talk to random people because they usually seem irrationally afraid you're going to rob or rape them. its crappy... small town people are really easy to warm up to in any old place.
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This is misinformation. Do not trust what has been said. It is merely an echo of false memes propagated by ill-informed or ill-intending pundits.
I think it is safe to say that it is foolish, short sighted, and obviously ignorant -- to not understand the extreme necessity of that change to arise ASAP, and put self-interest above an important resolution that affects everyone worldwide.
But, then again, some people implicitly trust science dozens of times per day as they benefit from its products (electricity, technology, knowledge) -- but find it easy to ignore for convenience.
It is short sighted to care about the noise of the windmill when your grandkids will suffer for not doing something NOW. It is ignorant not to understand or even acknowledge the factors that make this so important. And it is foolish, just as it was short sighted, to make decisions in that way.
And now I guess, since the world isn't yet destroyed by man, its only a matter of opinion as to which choice is better, right? Forget the fire alarm, you need to be engulfed in flames before exiting the building!! (sarcasm).
Meh... The trend is real, despite how offensive the fact may sound when stated. Sure, not ALL people, but that was never explicitly said, now was it?
Talk about reality with me for a minute, will ya?
People have become lazy, and that's more the root of my point in that response than anything else. The new assumption is that we can all sit around and use mindpower to deal with things that require actual physical work and interaction.
As a whole, America is becoming nearly worthless due to this trend.
The necessary changes will require work at the individual level. If it were supposed to happen in a timely manner at some greater social level, it should have happened over 15 years ago.
So we should wait for someone else to do something about all this necessity?
I mean, we are talking about necessary changes that have dire consequences if left alone...
They used to have a website, but I know you can still contact via telephone. yp.yahoo.com
I'm sorry you're too weak to actually do anything. I"m glad taking pot shots on slashdot is doing you a lot of good since you chose to do that than spend your time actually learning how to do something ---- work a wrench? use a pair of pliers? What is this?!?! OH! Foreign objects! You, too, can do shit on your own. The money you think will always pay for it will not always be there -- even your trust fund can burn in a fire.
I guess you've got something intellectual to deliver, something of real value (mind you, your words pass through the 'net like a fart in the wind, but your labor on a car might get you something useful to you). Nevermind that. Let's hear some more effort.
Ahhhh.. Well I read the words being used as if liberalism or socialism is a bad thing, and then finger pointing at Obama and delivering the terms in that manner... This was regarding the concept of political relativism and the use of liberal/conservative.
I'd hate to tell ya, but aside from a few years of irrational response to fear mongering, the US has only become more and more liberal (as the previous post mentions the norm to be centrist) since FDR and JFK.
You can contact him if you like. He runs six rivers solar in Eureka, CA.
It was a porche replica kit car to begin with. I think it was about 4500 for the basic kit and required a VW Bug chassis that was bought for a few hundred.
Henry Ford had no idea that using fossil fuels could lead to dire consequences of worldwide magnitude.
In all honesty, we should have made these serious changes over a decade ago.
How is this big distraction of how to implement this change relate to your inquiry of the relevance of my original statement? I will agree that we could highly compensate the people in the immediate area, or place some extra focus on specific loci. But that is one big distraction from the greater purpose of my response, that these people are indeed ignorant and short sighted -- and that this change needs to happen with or without their smiles.
Sorry.. I just can't let you take this conversation farther away from the topic of 'relevance' that you started with me.
Not nearly as liberal or socialist as FDR or JFK. And they are still praised to this day for what they have done for this country. Sorry to burst your distortion bubble.
Get educated.
You are wrong. My friend's father built an electric porche for 12k in the early 90s. The car has a range of nearly 200 miles if I recall, and still runs wonderfully to this day.
Please, by all means, STFU and quit spewing paid-pundit lies from TV.
Learn and know for yourself -- Get involved and quit echoing the words of liars that you love to trust.
Well, FYI the government is also supposed to protect its countrymen. This is to include promoting a market for more sensible transportation that is not sourced from fossil fuels (given we change our ways of electricity production as well).
The damage to be incurred by not making serious changes yesterday (said "now") is worth your attention whether you're educated enough to understand it or not. If you don't understand why this is important, get the education and understand, or sit back and trust those that do.
I thought fear mongering was for politicians and news organizations...
Panasonic must have hired some dick-head, former Halliburton CEO, ex-politician, consultant... I'm guessing he dug up some huge stacks of intel to pull the Panasonic leadership aside and let them know that everyone's safety is at stake --- terrorists are making rogue 3rd party batteries!!!
For your safety, of course. No ulterior motive here.
The issue I take with your approach is that it allows a relatively insignificant number of people to carry a disproportionate amount of power in a matter of extremely important interest that impacts everyone, worldwide.
And while disregarding the short sighted complaints may cause tension with those few, the benefit of the action not only outweighs that cost by leaps and bounds, but also addresses a NECESSARY change by one of the few possible options available (all of which will have a minority of short sighted whiners). I think the people should be greatly compensated via. eminent domain-like action, but that's a separate point of discussion as well.
In the end, I see it as a matter of a child wanting to keep her Dora-Explorer doll and crying when you take it away... to sell it... because your family has no other option and will be completely homeless and starving if they did not make that sacrifice. The child, too, saves her home and ability to be fed -- even though she was forced through tears to meet that end. Alternatively, if nothing is done and the child is given power over the decision, the whole family goes bankrupt, is homeless, and starves.
The difference is whether we should pander to an insignificant number of short sighted whiners on an issue that BILLIONS of people need to fix as soon as effin' possible.
The house is on fire... go back in for the dora doll, or get your wife and kids out of the damn fire?! Oh, the tears... And the sacrifice that was made to LIVE and have those tears.... Think about it.
(None of this argument will make sense to people of faith that think God is in control and our actions do not matter. To them I ask, why did God make the holocaust, 9/11, and fetal alcohol syndrome? GTFO.)
I agree. GET OUT OF THIS MAN'S PERSONAL BUSINESS!
If your counter-response to this post has anything to do with money, look in the mirror: you're a turd.
This isn't your fucking business. Steve jobs is not Apple --- I don't care how silly you money hungry jerks get to feeling when you think he might be sick --- its not your fucking business. If you think your investment actually matters based on the health of a person, its probably not a good investment. Get over it and get out of the man's personal life.
And F' to your counter arguments based around MONEY. I don't care, and any sane person that isn't self interested (said 'greedy') would recognize that the man's privacy is much more valuable than all of Apple.
If the difference between the choice to make energy cleanly, efficiently, and with amazingly low overhead (i.e. once it pays for itself, the energy is relatively free, or maintain archaic fossil fuel energy production methods that have drastic global impacts on all of us and our futures.... is made by not acknowledging that important fact (due to ignorance), or by selfish disregard (bothered by noise) -- -then I would say they are being foolish and short sighted (and as we already know, making decisions from ignorance).
Relevant.
Deal with noise, or deal with dire consequences of not making important changes to energy production NOW?
I think the impacts we may face with wind are a drop in a bucket of 'worry' that we currently face with our current/archaic fossil fuel approaches to energy.
As I've said before, the limit to relatively free and clean energy is not the technology (we have had it for decades), it is the education and knowledge of the people who will want it (or their lack of such knowledge).
Don't listen to a paid 'analyst' tell you what is real; chances are it isn't what is real. Do the learning and knowing on your own, look shit up! Get educated!
Now people are whining about the noise and environmental impact.
People are generally ignorant, foolish, and short sighted when dealing with things outside their realm of knowledge.
Get outside and just start talking to people. talk to people at work, at mcdonalds, at the mall, etc.
Start talking and interacting with people and the friendships and relationships will follow. You simply need to get people to know you, even if its your opinion about the burger they're eating while they sit next to you --- to get the seed of a fruitful relationship planted.
And, from a guy who has been a computer nerd since 1993 (when i was 12), computers and geekery (aka via. technology) will not (generally) facilitate an answer for you in this department. Forums, myspace, facebook, whatever... they will all fail you in that your correspondence lacks real impact and emotion and it will not be taken as seriously or with the level of importance that a personal conversation has.
Get out there, start talking. You will eventually find people that like you, and possibly a chick that wants to do you.
Good luck out there. If there is anything else I can add, in big cities its harder to talk to random people because they usually seem irrationally afraid you're going to rob or rape them. its crappy... small town people are really easy to warm up to in any old place.