That's weird... my last two comments have been modded but I only see the score (Score: 3) instead of the score+mod (Score: 3, Funny).
When someone uses the "underrated" mod, it simply pushes it up a notch without changing the previous tag. On the other hand, you can be modded "overrated" which will simply push your point down without touching the tag attached.
There have been some rather funny cases where a mod has been +5 Troll and similar mods. Well, at least they give me a giggle:)
Okay, you missed my point totally, but looking back, I was a little unclear. You cannot change your mind after an act and expect your new belief in your actions to be the only one you are judged on/accountable for.
Eg: You and a buddy rob a bank, but just before the police catch you, you decide you did a bad thing. You still robbed the bank.
Eg2: If I say I will adopt a dog, take it keep it for 3 months, then change my mind, I can't expect you to just take it back as my mind is changed. I took the dog and no-one forced me to.
The jury is still out on Google, but I don't see any of the big companies that are opposed to net neutrality really having room for Wikileaks in their universe. Anyway, interesting times...
A large corporation cannot associate itself with Wikileaks. Not because they don't have the power or the money to do so, but because of the nature of the Wikileaks model. The whole operation is done by a small number of people due to it being the only real way to ensure that those supplying the leaks remain anonymous. When you start adding in the governance that any large corp has, you lose that ability to see the whole picture in detail.
Personally I would be very interested in seeing a small country come forward and offer sanctuary to the website/service rather than to Julian himself. I was thinking that Iceland might come forward as a great place for it to be housed, but they are in so much financial kaka at the moment that they simply NEED all the EU assistance and can't afford to get into the "bad books" for offering protection.
If I say one thing at one time then change my mind, other people cannot be held accountable for my new altered belief.
End of story.
In the case of consensual sex that opens the door to:
I regret that I had sex with [$Person] because I now know [$Something] - therefore it was rape, not sex.
We all do things that we regret later on, or change our minds about. Hell, if we didn't then no-one would ever make a mistake. Grow up, take responsibility for your actions - you will be a better, stronger person for it.
If not a fool, he'll take Ecuador up on its offer of asylum.
Yeah, cause Ecuador isn't a place where high profile people die for under a grand? They might not extradite him from there, that's easy, but he might not live there long either.
I would still be trying to get into Iceland if I was him.
So what's this latest release going to show? That banks are money grubbing evil $&(75 who stole our money because they nearly ran everything into the ground, and where to gun shy from the great depression to let it happen again without at least doing every insain plan we can think of to stop it? If so you'd have to have been in a coma the last two years not to know that one.
At the moment, the general public opinion is that banks are incompetent, greedy and have caused this massive financial downfall. The banks are telling us that they did everything right and that it was a few bad computer programs and this and that.
What if the documents that are leaked will show that it was in fact people that disagreed with the programs, that it was shortsighted or greedy or incompetent managers who caused this financial bust?
At the moment it is our view against theirs. This might just prove it one way or the other.
Well you are obviously worng about that. He is getting this from leaked US documents. If they wanted this information out it would be! They obviously don't want it out.
I think you are mistaking his post. When he says "they" wanted it to be free, it is not always the same person.
Using the old/. car analogy:
If I am buying a car I would like to know whether or not it has design flaws. The manufacturer that cut costs and didn't fix design flaws obviously doesn't want that information to come out. When the GP says "they want it to be free" he means "someone wants it to be free" not always the same person who the documents belong to.
The idea of Wikileaks is to provide a method for that information to come out.
Does it get people in trouble? Yes. Do they deserve it? So far, it seems to be the case. Do those people who get caught out get very angry? Of course. Is this information being out there able to be considered "for the greater good"? I would say so, but I tend to be a libertarian, so my opinion is clouded. From what I have seen, it seems that the folks who have been caught out are trying to band together to say that this is "evil and a terrorist organization" while those who haven't been caught out are for the most part saying that it is a good thing.
Seriously, is anyone really ever surprised these days to find that government/large organizations are 1) Incompetent at what they do, 2) Try to hide it and 3) There to really do as little as possible, with as little resistance as possible?
EMI is on the edge of defaulting on its CitiGroup loan and being foreclosed upon.
Can't happen fast enough!
Actually, I would be sad to see them go down. Not because I feel sorry for a bunch of idiots who can't manage a business, but because I am sure that there is actually a good amount of music on EMI that IS worth listening to.
A much better alternative would be if EMI were actually able to market their products in a sustainable way. It is a shame that the music will suffer. I am not sorry that in this case a terrible company is going out of business, but that when they do go out of business, a certain amount of music will be lost to a degree.
Don't you think that the **AA's have manipulated existing law, and had others passed to benefit only them? I am sorry if we disagree, but I really feel that the **AA's are totally out of control.
Advice to stand up to bullies might have resulted in Columbine (no idea about the specifics of that) - but I am sure that it has also resulted in a countless number of GOOD THINGS.
As for being sued for millions of dollars not being a life changing event? "Just declare bankruptcy?" Are you kidding? So, you lose your house, your car, your entertainment system, computers and anything else lying around the house that someone can sell for a few dollars to "recoup debts owed"? Seriously, how is that not life changing? Does it kill you directly, no, but I am sure that it would bring about depression, anxiety and certainly ostracize you from many friends.
Anonymous is a problem because it believes itself to be the Judge, Jury, and Executioner. It has no oversight, and there are no checks and balances. It can, and will, do whatever it wants.. and that is a recipe for terrorism.
That's not too different from the **AA's thinking they are Judge, Jury and Executioner now is it? It just has some money to spend on a lobby group.
Yes, terrorists are brain-washed. Anonymous seems to be fighting here to try to un-brainwash folks that think it is okay for companies/entities to get away with the sorts of behavior that they have been allowed to get away with.
I don't support their methods, but I also won't denounce what they are doing. Firefighters often have to start a small fire to put out a bigger one.
While I do agree with some of your points totally, I am less convinced by others. And this isn't having a go at you at all. You might even convince me:)
Anonymous's major problem is that it feels it is justified in deciding what's right and wrong. They feel they can impose their beliefs on others.
How is that different to **AA imposing their beliefs on others - and not only that, but buying enough lobbies to make it law? They now don't even have to fully impose their beliefs - the law system does it for them?
While I too think Scientology is a sham, i also don't believe it's my place to pass judgement over anyones religious beliefs. Doing so is a very slippery slope.
I too think it is all a sham, actually I think it is nothing more than a "networking religion" at best for the top few folks in there. But they don't try to impose their rules on me. I honestly wouldn't care if they told their members to run around in small circles until they passed out on a nightly basis - until they try to force me into it.
Radical behavior is a last resort. It's not like someone is imprisoning anyone for file sharing, but Anonymous seems to be acting like it's a life or death situation.
Try telling that to the cases where people have been fined/sued for upwards of a million dollars for sharing a few mp3s. Try spending a year in litigation and then paying the lawyers without calling it "life changing". I know that if I had a choice of handing over a million dollars I don't have, or spending a few nights in prison, I would choose a few nights in prison.
Violence begets more violence. And many people get a rush from doing the things they do...
You can look at it that way, but I think that Anon here is actually looking at it in that exact way - except they don't see themselves as being the instigators. They see it as "Payback" for all the crap that has been allowed to happen so far.
When I was little, I was always taught to stand up to bullies. Here, I see a lot of "big money" and "big corporation" as being the bully here - and I WILL stand up.
Often times you have to do what is wrong for the greater good. Please allow a simple example about war - something we can all pretty much say is "bad" and "wrong":
Is war okay?
What if that country is talking about attacking your country?
What if that other country attacked your country in the past?
What if the country happens to be developing a dangerous technology that it might or might not use against your country in the future?
What if the country is doing horrible things to it's own people that you disagree with?
What if groups within that country are attacking you?
Or how about if they support someone else who is attacking you?
What about when they invade you?
War is wrong and bad, but at some point in that list, most people will say it is okay, because at that point the end justified the means.
The end often justifies the means. If you think otherwise you are either very young, naive or have rose colored glasses on most of the time.
Anonymous and the Pirate Party are fighting a law. Laws are not repealed by going out and breaking more laws.
Actually, in my view, the Pirate Party should not have so much as made mention of what Anon is doing. By writing the open letter, they might be taking a bit of a moral ground, but at the same time, they are associating themselves with that sort of behavior.
Do I think what Anon is doing is "right"? Nope.
Do I think that they should keep doing it? Absolutely.
I think at some point it is up to everyone to take a moral stand and make their view heard. If the person you are speaking to has their hands on their ears and is yelling "LA LA LA" sometimes, in my books, it is okay to give em a slap to the face to snap them out of it.
There is nothing wrong at all with fighting a fight on multiple fronts. Have one side of the fence, in this case the Pirate Party doing all it can through legal means. At the same time, another group, here it is Anon, goes on an all out offensive fighting a running battle of harassment and annoyances.
In this case, it seems that they both have a common enemy. They are both trying to fight a law. I don't think that taking the moral high ground while forgetting that the Enemy of your Enemy is your friend is a good plan - unless of course you know whatever you say won't be listened to anyhow, then it just becomes politics.
Here at the TSA, we dislike the way that you are focusing on our mistakes. Yes, we make mistakes, but so does everyone else.
We just happen to be in a position that allows us to have X-Ray vision and check out all the bits that people cover up. I mean seriously, how many times as a kid did you wish to have a pair of X-Ray glasses to check out your neighbor? Well, it's just like that! But we can!
So, please, stop focusing on the bad, just because WE have a toy that you DON'T doesn't mean that you should try to take it away from us!
Now, excuse me, there is a hot chick coming. I need to check her very carefully for explosives and hidden things.
That is the most elegant explanation of dark matter that I have ever seen or heard.
Indeed. And it reminds me of how when Einstein first presented his theory of relativity, he had a constant (somewhat like that X) in there to maintain a steady state universe.
I know this is off topic, but thank you. Those two comments on my post just made my day!:)
but could an alternative explanation be that our theory of gravity is wrong?
Yea. The discovery is that, IF our theory of gravity is correct, this is more evidence for the existence of dark matter.
It is something more along the lines of this:
We have a good number of formulas and calculations that work properly with the things we can measure - planets, the sun, cars, planes, kitchen scales.
One of these might be:
y + 3 = 5
Nice and simple for this example. Lets say that the "y" here represents gravity and the formula has been proven in every experiment we have done.
We therefore assume that this calculation is correct and true. BUT when we try to use this calculation when looking at things like galaxies, we seem to find the wrong answer:
y + 3 = 7.2
This is clearly not correct, but as we don't want to throw out all the formulas and understanding we have about how things work, we add another variable to the formula like so:
y + 3 + x = 5
The "y" still represents gravity, but now we add the "x" which represents something we don't understand and we don't know where it came from. We call it Dark Matter because we can't see it, don't seem to be able to interact with it and have no real idea of what it is - but with this new addition to the formula, the answer once again comes out at what we know (think) to be true. We just now need to find what this x variable is.
THAT is why finding/understanding Dark Matter (and on that note, Dark Energy) is so important. We know (think we know) the right answers, but our formulas just don't seem to fit so well when applied to certain really, really, really big things (like clusters, superclusters etc). When we find this "x" in the formula, it will once again work perfectly for all our calculations.
It's not that hard to figure out. We're looking at what a 30-year old black hole looks like, regardless of how long it took that light to get here.
Yeah, totally agree. Can even remove the actual age of the object by saying: We are looking at the birth and first thirty years of data after the black hole formed.
What bad PR? I'm a Verizon customer, and while being unable to make wiki edits would be annoying, why the hell would I blame Verizon for that? Sounds like the typical Wikipedia ego trip to me. Some people are douches. News at 11.
Because a lot of people would look at it in a slightly different view:
Anyone can edit Wikipedia.
Verizon customers cannot edit Wikipedia.
Ergo: Problem lies with Verizon, not Wikipedia.
Verizon gets bad publicity, whether it really is "their" fault or not. And in honesty, Wikipedia likely knows just how many Verizon customers edit Wikipedia, if they are prepared to block all of them just to shut this one assclown up, then he in all likelihood IS really being that much of an assclown.
Wikipedia is trying to protect their own site, I am sure that blocking all of Verizon isn't the first idea they have come up with to stop this guy wrecking their site - and I don't think that they should HAVE to require registrations from all their users just to stop one guy being a dick. If he were on any other ISP, it seems that they could just block him out, but because of the way that Verizon does something or other, they can't, and apparently Verizon doesn't want to really play ball, so it is simply "Ultimatum Time" to see what happens when push comes to shove.
Some people are douches.
Yup, so why should all Verizon customers suffer that small inconvenience just because of that one douche? You see it as little inconvenience, others would see it as no different at all, but yet others again would suddenly feel that a great part of their life was taken away. Those are the ones that would cause a nightmare PR scenario for Verizon.
Forget infants! I would be keen to get that. Actually, I would be keen just to have good eyes, rather than these eyeballs that have Keratoconus. If there was a procedure that I could go through to get the strength back in my corneas I would do it. If it gave me cat like night vision, then that would be even better!
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That's weird... my last two comments have been modded but I only see the score (Score: 3) instead of the score+mod (Score: 3, Funny).
When someone uses the "underrated" mod, it simply pushes it up a notch without changing the previous tag. On the other hand, you can be modded "overrated" which will simply push your point down without touching the tag attached.
:)
There have been some rather funny cases where a mod has been +5 Troll and similar mods. Well, at least they give me a giggle
Okay, you missed my point totally, but looking back, I was a little unclear. You cannot change your mind after an act and expect your new belief in your actions to be the only one you are judged on/accountable for.
Eg: You and a buddy rob a bank, but just before the police catch you, you decide you did a bad thing. You still robbed the bank.
Eg2: If I say I will adopt a dog, take it keep it for 3 months, then change my mind, I can't expect you to just take it back as my mind is changed. I took the dog and no-one forced me to.
Perhaps now it makes more sense?
Good god, I haven't had a serve of irony as in your statement for a very long time. Wish I hadn't posted already to mod you up.
The jury is still out on Google, but I don't see any of the big companies that are opposed to net neutrality really having room for Wikileaks in their universe. Anyway, interesting times...
A large corporation cannot associate itself with Wikileaks. Not because they don't have the power or the money to do so, but because of the nature of the Wikileaks model. The whole operation is done by a small number of people due to it being the only real way to ensure that those supplying the leaks remain anonymous. When you start adding in the governance that any large corp has, you lose that ability to see the whole picture in detail.
Personally I would be very interested in seeing a small country come forward and offer sanctuary to the website/service rather than to Julian himself. I was thinking that Iceland might come forward as a great place for it to be housed, but they are in so much financial kaka at the moment that they simply NEED all the EU assistance and can't afford to get into the "bad books" for offering protection.
If I say one thing at one time then change my mind, other people cannot be held accountable for my new altered belief.
End of story.
In the case of consensual sex that opens the door to:
I regret that I had sex with [$Person] because I now know [$Something] - therefore it was rape, not sex.
We all do things that we regret later on, or change our minds about. Hell, if we didn't then no-one would ever make a mistake. Grow up, take responsibility for your actions - you will be a better, stronger person for it.
Those whose hearts are about to stop beating due to pissing off too many "important" people.
If not a fool, he'll take Ecuador up on its offer of asylum.
Yeah, cause Ecuador isn't a place where high profile people die for under a grand? They might not extradite him from there, that's easy, but he might not live there long either.
I would still be trying to get into Iceland if I was him.
So what's this latest release going to show? That banks are money grubbing evil $&(75 who stole our money because they nearly ran everything into the ground, and where to gun shy from the great depression to let it happen again without at least doing every insain plan we can think of to stop it? If so you'd have to have been in a coma the last two years not to know that one.
At the moment, the general public opinion is that banks are incompetent, greedy and have caused this massive financial downfall. The banks are telling us that they did everything right and that it was a few bad computer programs and this and that.
What if the documents that are leaked will show that it was in fact people that disagreed with the programs, that it was shortsighted or greedy or incompetent managers who caused this financial bust?
At the moment it is our view against theirs. This might just prove it one way or the other.
Well you are obviously worng about that. He is getting this from leaked US documents. If they wanted this information out it would be! They obviously don't want it out.
I think you are mistaking his post. When he says "they" wanted it to be free, it is not always the same person.
/. car analogy:
Using the old
If I am buying a car I would like to know whether or not it has design flaws. The manufacturer that cut costs and didn't fix design flaws obviously doesn't want that information to come out. When the GP says "they want it to be free" he means "someone wants it to be free" not always the same person who the documents belong to.
The idea of Wikileaks is to provide a method for that information to come out.
Does it get people in trouble? Yes. Do they deserve it? So far, it seems to be the case. Do those people who get caught out get very angry? Of course. Is this information being out there able to be considered "for the greater good"? I would say so, but I tend to be a libertarian, so my opinion is clouded. From what I have seen, it seems that the folks who have been caught out are trying to band together to say that this is "evil and a terrorist organization" while those who haven't been caught out are for the most part saying that it is a good thing.
News at 11.
Seriously, is anyone really ever surprised these days to find that government/large organizations are 1) Incompetent at what they do, 2) Try to hide it and 3) There to really do as little as possible, with as little resistance as possible?
Posting to correct a bad mod. Sorry :)
EMI is on the edge of defaulting on its CitiGroup loan and being foreclosed upon.
Can't happen fast enough!
Actually, I would be sad to see them go down. Not because I feel sorry for a bunch of idiots who can't manage a business, but because I am sure that there is actually a good amount of music on EMI that IS worth listening to.
A much better alternative would be if EMI were actually able to market their products in a sustainable way. It is a shame that the music will suffer. I am not sorry that in this case a terrible company is going out of business, but that when they do go out of business, a certain amount of music will be lost to a degree.
Advice to stand up to bullies might have resulted in Columbine (no idea about the specifics of that) - but I am sure that it has also resulted in a countless number of GOOD THINGS.
As for being sued for millions of dollars not being a life changing event? "Just declare bankruptcy?" Are you kidding? So, you lose your house, your car, your entertainment system, computers and anything else lying around the house that someone can sell for a few dollars to "recoup debts owed"? Seriously, how is that not life changing? Does it kill you directly, no, but I am sure that it would bring about depression, anxiety and certainly ostracize you from many friends.
Anonymous is a problem because it believes itself to be the Judge, Jury, and Executioner. It has no oversight, and there are no checks and balances. It can, and will, do whatever it wants.. and that is a recipe for terrorism.
That's not too different from the **AA's thinking they are Judge, Jury and Executioner now is it? It just has some money to spend on a lobby group.
Yes, terrorists are brain-washed. Anonymous seems to be fighting here to try to un-brainwash folks that think it is okay for companies/entities to get away with the sorts of behavior that they have been allowed to get away with.
I don't support their methods, but I also won't denounce what they are doing. Firefighters often have to start a small fire to put out a bigger one.
Not to get all...
While I do agree with some of your points totally, I am less convinced by others. And this isn't having a go at you at all. You might even convince me :)
Anonymous's major problem is that it feels it is justified in deciding what's right and wrong. They feel they can impose their beliefs on others.
How is that different to **AA imposing their beliefs on others - and not only that, but buying enough lobbies to make it law? They now don't even have to fully impose their beliefs - the law system does it for them?
While I too think Scientology is a sham, i also don't believe it's my place to pass judgement over anyones religious beliefs. Doing so is a very slippery slope.
I too think it is all a sham, actually I think it is nothing more than a "networking religion" at best for the top few folks in there. But they don't try to impose their rules on me. I honestly wouldn't care if they told their members to run around in small circles until they passed out on a nightly basis - until they try to force me into it.
Radical behavior is a last resort. It's not like someone is imprisoning anyone for file sharing, but Anonymous seems to be acting like it's a life or death situation.
Try telling that to the cases where people have been fined/sued for upwards of a million dollars for sharing a few mp3s. Try spending a year in litigation and then paying the lawyers without calling it "life changing". I know that if I had a choice of handing over a million dollars I don't have, or spending a few nights in prison, I would choose a few nights in prison.
Violence begets more violence. And many people get a rush from doing the things they do...
You can look at it that way, but I think that Anon here is actually looking at it in that exact way - except they don't see themselves as being the instigators. They see it as "Payback" for all the crap that has been allowed to happen so far.
When I was little, I was always taught to stand up to bullies. Here, I see a lot of "big money" and "big corporation" as being the bully here - and I WILL stand up.
Or the end justifies the means.
Bingo.
Often times you have to do what is wrong for the greater good. Please allow a simple example about war - something we can all pretty much say is "bad" and "wrong":
Is war okay?
What if that country is talking about attacking your country?
What if that other country attacked your country in the past?
What if the country happens to be developing a dangerous technology that it might or might not use against your country in the future?
What if the country is doing horrible things to it's own people that you disagree with?
What if groups within that country are attacking you?
Or how about if they support someone else who is attacking you?
What about when they invade you?
War is wrong and bad, but at some point in that list, most people will say it is okay, because at that point the end justified the means. The end often justifies the means. If you think otherwise you are either very young, naive or have rose colored glasses on most of the time.
Anonymous and the Pirate Party are fighting a law. Laws are not repealed by going out and breaking more laws.
Actually, in my view, the Pirate Party should not have so much as made mention of what Anon is doing. By writing the open letter, they might be taking a bit of a moral ground, but at the same time, they are associating themselves with that sort of behavior.
Do I think what Anon is doing is "right"? Nope.
Do I think that they should keep doing it? Absolutely.
I think at some point it is up to everyone to take a moral stand and make their view heard. If the person you are speaking to has their hands on their ears and is yelling "LA LA LA" sometimes, in my books, it is okay to give em a slap to the face to snap them out of it.
There is nothing wrong at all with fighting a fight on multiple fronts. Have one side of the fence, in this case the Pirate Party doing all it can through legal means. At the same time, another group, here it is Anon, goes on an all out offensive fighting a running battle of harassment and annoyances.
In this case, it seems that they both have a common enemy. They are both trying to fight a law. I don't think that taking the moral high ground while forgetting that the Enemy of your Enemy is your friend is a good plan - unless of course you know whatever you say won't be listened to anyhow, then it just becomes politics.
Modded off-topic? Bizarre. Grammar jokes are the heart and soul of Slashdot.
I think you misspelled "grammer".
Nope, he got it right. You got it wrong :)
Here at the TSA, we dislike the way that you are focusing on our mistakes. Yes, we make mistakes, but so does everyone else.
We just happen to be in a position that allows us to have X-Ray vision and check out all the bits that people cover up. I mean seriously, how many times as a kid did you wish to have a pair of X-Ray glasses to check out your neighbor? Well, it's just like that! But we can!
So, please, stop focusing on the bad, just because WE have a toy that you DON'T doesn't mean that you should try to take it away from us!
Now, excuse me, there is a hot chick coming. I need to check her very carefully for explosives and hidden things.
*sips coffee*
Can /b/tards get google, whitehouse.gov, or some other random website taken down with this? Sure sounds like it.
Actually, lets hope so. It will prove just how stupid these laws are and how open to abuse they are.
Lets do better, lets get the RIAA websites taken down. Now THAT would be sweet irony - their own stuff taken down by a law they pushed through.
I thought the government was for the people by the people. What a fucking joke.
Don't be silly. Where there is "big money" there is a way.
That is the most elegant explanation of dark matter that I have ever seen or heard.
Indeed. And it reminds me of how when Einstein first presented his theory of relativity, he had a constant (somewhat like that X) in there to maintain a steady state universe.
I know this is off topic, but thank you. Those two comments on my post just made my day! :)
but could an alternative explanation be that our theory of gravity is wrong?
Yea. The discovery is that, IF our theory of gravity is correct, this is more evidence for the existence of dark matter.
It is something more along the lines of this:
We have a good number of formulas and calculations that work properly with the things we can measure - planets, the sun, cars, planes, kitchen scales.
One of these might be:
y + 3 = 5
Nice and simple for this example. Lets say that the "y" here represents gravity and the formula has been proven in every experiment we have done.
We therefore assume that this calculation is correct and true. BUT when we try to use this calculation when looking at things like galaxies, we seem to find the wrong answer:
y + 3 = 7.2
This is clearly not correct, but as we don't want to throw out all the formulas and understanding we have about how things work, we add another variable to the formula like so:
y + 3 + x = 5
The "y" still represents gravity, but now we add the "x" which represents something we don't understand and we don't know where it came from. We call it Dark Matter because we can't see it, don't seem to be able to interact with it and have no real idea of what it is - but with this new addition to the formula, the answer once again comes out at what we know (think) to be true. We just now need to find what this x variable is.
THAT is why finding/understanding Dark Matter (and on that note, Dark Energy) is so important. We know (think we know) the right answers, but our formulas just don't seem to fit so well when applied to certain really, really, really big things (like clusters, superclusters etc). When we find this "x" in the formula, it will once again work perfectly for all our calculations.
It's not that hard to figure out. We're looking at what a 30-year old black hole looks like, regardless of how long it took that light to get here.
Yeah, totally agree. Can even remove the actual age of the object by saying:
We are looking at the birth and first thirty years of data after the black hole formed.
What bad PR? I'm a Verizon customer, and while being unable to make wiki edits would be annoying, why the hell would I blame Verizon for that? Sounds like the typical Wikipedia ego trip to me. Some people are douches. News at 11.
Because a lot of people would look at it in a slightly different view:
Anyone can edit Wikipedia.
Verizon customers cannot edit Wikipedia.
Ergo: Problem lies with Verizon, not Wikipedia.
Verizon gets bad publicity, whether it really is "their" fault or not. And in honesty, Wikipedia likely knows just how many Verizon customers edit Wikipedia, if they are prepared to block all of them just to shut this one assclown up, then he in all likelihood IS really being that much of an assclown.
Wikipedia is trying to protect their own site, I am sure that blocking all of Verizon isn't the first idea they have come up with to stop this guy wrecking their site - and I don't think that they should HAVE to require registrations from all their users just to stop one guy being a dick. If he were on any other ISP, it seems that they could just block him out, but because of the way that Verizon does something or other, they can't, and apparently Verizon doesn't want to really play ball, so it is simply "Ultimatum Time" to see what happens when push comes to shove.
Some people are douches.
Yup, so why should all Verizon customers suffer that small inconvenience just because of that one douche? You see it as little inconvenience, others would see it as no different at all, but yet others again would suddenly feel that a great part of their life was taken away. Those are the ones that would cause a nightmare PR scenario for Verizon.
Forget infants! I would be keen to get that. Actually, I would be keen just to have good eyes, rather than these eyeballs that have Keratoconus. If there was a procedure that I could go through to get the strength back in my corneas I would do it. If it gave me cat like night vision, then that would be even better!