A guy above me mentioned something about FreeBSD having a nice GUI setup utility. SuSE has one called "SaX" and it works beautifully. It allows you to test your seetings and go back and change them if necessary.
I have a cable modem, and PCI nics are cheap. A decent PC won't notice any lag whatsoever from having an internal network (I know mine doesn't, and I run all sorts of crap on here [read: apache, ssh, ftpd, telnetd, you get the idea..], along with my dad playing around on the 'net from his computer, doing anything from surfing to streaming video and audio). I actually think having my computer sit as the gateway is much nicer than if I had something much smaller running it. I'm currently taking a class over at the local community college for highschool, and it is really nice to be able to write my papers here at home and just download and print them at school without fscking around with floppy disks (I don't have a decent printer.. I'm going to need to drop the cash for one eventually). The server capabilities of Linux is invaluable to me, and personally why I suggest just using your personal computer (unless you dual boot, or don't have a second computer, then it isn't as important). The only real good reason for having a gateway is for network security, and the Libretto is probably no better with security than a Linux desktop. Just my $0.02.
Have fun though. Keep up on your security and enjoy the bandwidth.
Oh yeah. Windows has horrible track records with compliance to standards... The manpage for nmap has some interesting information as far as that is concerned.
(no real need to mention specifics concerning "embrace and extend")
www.ompages.com -- it should be up this evening, I can't remember where the mirrors of our manifesto are right now (any others on the project have it up?).
First thing we're going for is open-source webmail with full encryption capabilities, after that, a 'public' private network (ie, all connections transparently encrypted). We just started up, but that's where we are heading, and we've gathered a decent following already.
I can't stand it anymore. There absolutely awful misconception about computers, by geeks and non-geeks alike.
There's no reason non-geeks should learn to use vi, know a programming language, reformat a hard drive, or edit text-based configuration files. These tasks are not the least bit relevant to their lives, and are simply extra work. An oversimplified interface and glazing over of problems is a good thing for 90% of what people do with computers.
I hate this attitude for a number of reasons. The biggest one is that computers are powerful because they are programmable. Not because microsoft has programmed something for them, not because I hacked out something for them, but because anyone can program them. If you are really going to get the full use out of a computer, you aren't going to do it by just surfing the web, by just using some wordprocessing program to type up a paper. Now, I'm not advocating that everyone should go out, learn 12 programming languages and write all their own programs; I am saying that to really be able to use a computer, programs other people have written are not going to perfectly suit your needs. That is when knowing how to program allows you to fully use your computer. That way, you can write or edit a program you need (I'm not talking about anything horribly big here, I'm talking about getting the computer to do something that would be long and tedious for the user, and easy for the computer, maybe all the average user needs to learn is Perl or sh, not necessarily C, although C is good), because your computer can do what you want it to. So, I really don't agree with those dumbed down hermetically sealed interfaces. That is why I use Linux and not BeOS, Windows or MacOS, because I can program, and I can rewrite parts of my system that don't do what I want it to. Personally, I believe that anyone who really uses computers should know how to program, in one way or another, depending on what they use the computer for. I am not a programmer, nor do I ever intend to program professionally. It is a skill that I have found to be invaluable. To me Linux and the *BSDs are not about "tinkering," they are about getting the most out of your system.</rant>
RedHat has had a west coast office for months now, believe it or not. It just hasn't been very big.
A while back, I went to a MicroComputer Users Group meeting here in little old Olympia, WA. The reason was a rep from RH was speaking there, he was cool, an Australian (no, not Raster, but he was still with RH at the time). For life of me, I can't remember his name. He _was_ the west coast division at the time, and he said as much during his speech. It was fun, but more for the uninitiated masses though.
(Oh yeah, he had a Red fidora with him.. It actually looked really cool).
> Because, if there isn't a stable, scalable > 64-bit version of Windows Server > ready by the end of next year, the path will be > clear for the *nixes to severely > dent Microsoft's marketshare.
Nope. w2k is not 64 bit capable. In fact, windows will probably run in a 32bit emulation mode. Much like what NT4 does on the Alpha. From what I understand, NT4 is _not_ easily ported to 64bit, for some reason or another (otherwise, why isn't the alpha version of NT running in 64bit?). This means it will require significant time on the part of M$ to either port their OS to 64bit, or write a totally new version of windows...
As soon as Linux gets a compiler, we will take full advantage of the architecture. You know how quickly we work... Another factor is that Intel has been making friendly gestures at the Linux community. They were even so audacious as to donate some compiler optimizations. Personnally, I think Mickeysoft and windows are heading into some dark days, which I don't think they will survive.
You can set up a Spread Sheet to calculations and tabulations. It is really quite cool, actually. Back in the day, my dad create a Lotus 1-2-3 spreadsheet that would calculate the percentage of interest in each payment of the loan given the interest rate, the principle amount of the loan and either the payment size or the number of payments (which could be extrapolated from the years). In otherwords, they are another way to program data analysis.
You can also use them to create tables, pie charts, bar graphs and so on and so forth. Pretty cool pieces of software actually. They are NOT intended to be used for database type applications, but they can be.
Guess what, my watch says 6-15, and the report was released by eEye on June 8. Do the math. Start bashing MickeySoft any time now. They just don't have a good turn around time. 4 hrs for the Linux DoS attack, it's somewhere between 168-192 hours and counting for the IIS attack...
Yep, I'm sorry to say, but there were a number of bugs that were in the orignal code posted. Because I had nothing to do this morning before I went off to see starwars, I fixed it up and got it working. So, here it is, the new and improved version: (same install instructions as noted above)
What this means is this: About 10 days (reread the article if you don't believe me) to crack an RSA-140 encryption which uses a 465 bit key.
Netscape and most other browsers running encryption software of some sort use 128 bit encryption.
Think about that. These devices would go through 128 bit encryption in very little time at all, maybe a day or two. You want $10,000 bucks, do the engineering and win the RC5-64 competition in a day or less. That is what these devices will mean. Your credit cards aren't safe anymore. They may never have been.
Just thought I'd point this out because some posters above got there times backwards. 9-10 weeks is what it takes now, with damn good hardware.
I feel much better about upgrading SSH now. 1024 bits of encryption (at the moment, I might up that at some point). ph43drus
Wait... Something else to note.
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The glamorous programming jobs with large companies today are still few and far between, what you're talking about accounts for about 25% of all programming jobs. Big companies also use temp labor for most of their programming, good high wages, but no benefits whatsoever, so enough money but no health insurance, dental plans or much vacation/sick leave. If you aren't good enough to get into the few slots available at RH or even M$, you will end up either a) temping or b) programming hardware related programs, like BIOS, integrated circuits, drivers, etc. The stuff that is only glamorous under Linux.
Now, I'm not in the industry, but the temp stuff is becoming a problem (there have been meetings and such for unionizing around town, I live in Oly, WA, about 60 mi south of Redmond).
This stuff does get thought about. Go read some of ESR's stuff on the matter. It is actually really good.
ph43drus
your so ashamed -- I'm not.
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Like some of the guys above me. I like apple. MacOS 8 is better than windows. OSX will rock. I like the fact that they are trying to go open source. I'm not going to support them until they get the liscence right.
Doing it poorly, and not getting the free part right isn't going to get them very far with the community. Get over the fact that anything that looks like an attempt to purely take advantage of us will be harshly treated. It happens, it is part of the community. Which is what this issue is all about, is it not?
I know Gnome integrates things like drag and drop features into your GUI experience, along with the ability to have a desktop (ie, throw files and links to programs on your root window), and many other things along those lines.
I personally don't need all that extra stuff so I just use WindowMaker. So I don't have any files on my desktop, because I don't have that functionality (don't miss it, reminds me too much of winbloze and Macintosh, mac isn't quite as bad, but I still won't use one as my personal computer).
This whole thing is about choice. You choose your GUI based on what you need. Check out the feature listings, go read up on a couple of these proggies, gnome stuff is at www.gnome.org and KDE is based at www.kde.org. I personally use WindowMaker, refered to earlier as "GNUstep." They all have their advantages, they all are extremely configurable, check out themes.org, and pay special attention to OctoberX's stuff (he's one of/.'s).
So I guess what all the hubbub is about, is that we pick what our GUI looks like and how it reacts to our commands. It is a huge matter of personal needs and preferences. There isn't anything forced on us. SuSE comes configured to run KDE, but I changed when I decided I didn't like it. Like the distro wars, one's choice of GUI can get to be pretty personal and some users tend to get pretty emotional about their particular window manager.
Well, I have to agree with you partly. I'm a high schooler, and we just got a yosemite to replace the old server (yeah, the IT department at school is a bunch of Mac guys, but I'm now a Die Hard Linux guy).
I'm pretty hyped about Apple releasing OSX server, we are getting a copy of it free to play with. Alas, I have to say I don't like seeing crap like this benchmark. I could have built a better computer for $5k, and probably configured Linux better for the benchmark. Anyways, every big company twists benchmarks around to put them in favor of their product, so it is a load like most of us have been saying (I know I'm going to be arguing with Schism and Cracker tomorrow over this).
Between this and their open source efforts (I hope they fix the liscence, that would be really cool, and release the rest of their stuff), I think Apple is going in the right direction. I just wish companies would cut out the crap about benchmarks, or at least put something up that isn't a load of bull for the techs...
This has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Yeah, I have to agree with the fact that this is for the 12-14 year old script kiddies.
Personally, I get my backpacks and other such storage gear at camping stores, probably much higher quality equipment and no stupid marketing schemes. I like my day pack, balanced like an internal frame pack, can accept an internal frame, 40 Liters of space, came with a Platypus (more commonly known as a Camel back sans insulation, so I get 2.5 liters of pure hydrating enjoyment), and it is also a technical bag, so it does what I need it to. Features like this are pretty common in most backpacks you find in camping stores. Backpacks like mine are also really comfortable, easier to carry and a lot more rugged (tear resistant fabrics).
You know, this really parallels M$ vs. Linux... Backpacks for the Outdoors vs bags based on a stupid marketing scheme.... Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
Well, we have. Anyone remember the test down in arizona with the huge laser that can take out a satalite? Yep. We blew up a satalite with a ground based laser, breaking a number of treaties in the process.
This also a part of a slightly larger scheme that includes Boing 747s equipted with lasers meant to take out missles. Maybe even a space-born satalite killer or two. We use it also. Don't let the friggin' alarmist media let you think for a minute that we don't already have viable Laser weapons. This was in a popsci circa 1997-1998, the test with the satalite happened a couple of months later.
ph43drus
Early to bed, early to rise, and you get the best cerial.
Now this is a good idea. My thoughts on this are not to get rid of the keyboard. The keyboard has the advantage over the voice dictation of accurate and easy editing. It would, for the time being, remain useful (I'm not saying the keyboard is sacred or anything, just that it has an advantage or two in this situation).
The mouse should be dumped (I hate mice, they are slow and annoying). Now, I think the ideal setup in this situation would be to have the monitor and a minimalistic keyboard in one unit, probably having the keyboard storable, only needing to flip or slide out when you want to use it. Then, the window manager would be designed completely around the ability to touch the screen. The keys not on the keyboard would be buttons on the screen. Not necessarily labeled the same way. Or the whole thing could be done completely differently, these are just some initial thoughts.
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Cranberry Juice.. straight ;)
A guy above me mentioned something about FreeBSD having a nice GUI setup utility. SuSE has one called "SaX" and it works beautifully. It allows you to test your seetings and go back and change them if necessary.
;)
Just thought I'd plug my favorite distro...
I have a cable modem, and PCI nics are cheap. A decent PC won't notice any lag whatsoever from having an internal network (I know mine doesn't, and I run all sorts of crap on here [read: apache, ssh, ftpd, telnetd, you get the idea..], along with my dad playing around on the 'net from his computer, doing anything from surfing to streaming video and audio). I actually think having my computer sit as the gateway is much nicer than if I had something much smaller running it. I'm currently taking a class over at the local community college for highschool, and it is really nice to be able to write my papers here at home and just download and print them at school without fscking around with floppy disks (I don't have a decent printer.. I'm going to need to drop the cash for one eventually). The server capabilities of Linux is invaluable to me, and personally why I suggest just using your personal computer (unless you dual boot, or don't have a second computer, then it isn't as important). The only real good reason for having a gateway is for network security, and the Libretto is probably no better with security than a Linux desktop. Just my $0.02.
Have fun though. Keep up on your security and enjoy the bandwidth.
Oh yeah. Windows has horrible track records with compliance to standards... The manpage for nmap has some interesting information as far as that is concerned.
(no real need to mention specifics concerning "embrace and extend")
Well, There is quite the significant difference between effect and affect...
;)
Just as much as between except and accept. See your answer to adamc@email.unc.edu
The project has already begun.
www.ompages.com -- it should be up this evening, I can't remember where the mirrors of our manifesto are right now (any others on the project have it up?).
First thing we're going for is open-source webmail with full encryption capabilities, after that, a 'public' private network (ie, all connections transparently encrypted). We just started up, but that's where we are heading, and we've gathered a decent following already.
Thankyou.
</plug>
So do I.. but it isn't the CPUs.. or the RAM, it is the bus speed... oh man do those things have throughput... *drool*
I can't stand it anymore. There absolutely awful misconception about computers, by geeks and non-geeks alike.
There's no reason non-geeks should learn to use vi, know a programming language,
reformat a hard drive, or edit text-based configuration files. These tasks are not the
least bit relevant to their lives, and are simply extra work. An oversimplified interface
and glazing over of problems is a good thing for 90% of what people do with
computers.
I hate this attitude for a number of reasons. The biggest one is that computers are powerful because they are programmable. Not because microsoft has programmed something for them, not because I hacked out something for them, but because anyone can program them. If you are really going to get the full use out of a computer, you aren't going to do it by just surfing the web, by just using some wordprocessing program to type up a paper. Now, I'm not advocating that everyone should go out, learn 12 programming languages and write all their own programs; I am saying that to really be able to use a computer, programs other people have written are not going to perfectly suit your needs. That is when knowing how to program allows you to fully use your computer. That way, you can write or edit a program you need (I'm not talking about anything horribly big here, I'm talking about getting the computer to do something that would be long and tedious for the user, and easy for the computer, maybe all the average user needs to learn is Perl or sh, not necessarily C, although C is good), because your computer can do what you want it to. So, I really don't agree with those dumbed down hermetically sealed interfaces. That is why I use Linux and not BeOS, Windows or MacOS, because I can program, and I can rewrite parts of my system that don't do what I want it to. Personally, I believe that anyone who really uses computers should know how to program, in one way or another, depending on what they use the computer for. I am not a programmer, nor do I ever intend to program professionally. It is a skill that I have found to be invaluable. To me Linux and the *BSDs are not about "tinkering," they are about getting the most out of your system.</rant>
RedHat has had a west coast office for months now, believe it or not. It just hasn't been very big.
A while back, I went to a MicroComputer Users Group meeting here in little old Olympia, WA. The reason was a rep from RH was speaking there, he was cool, an Australian (no, not Raster, but he was still with RH at the time). For life of me, I can't remember his name. He _was_ the west coast division at the time, and he said as much during his speech. It was fun, but more for the uninitiated masses though.
(Oh yeah, he had a Red fidora with him.. It actually looked really cool).
That is so cool... another useless thinga-majig to add to my dock!
But... it does run at 64*64, which is just over 4 times as big as 30*30..
Jeff
> Because, if there isn't a stable, scalable
> 64-bit version of Windows Server
> ready by the end of next year, the path will be
> clear for the *nixes to severely
> dent Microsoft's marketshare.
Nope. w2k is not 64 bit capable. In fact, windows will probably run in a 32bit emulation mode. Much like what NT4 does on the Alpha. From what I understand, NT4 is _not_ easily ported to 64bit, for some reason or another (otherwise, why isn't the alpha version of NT running in 64bit?). This means it will require significant time on the part of M$ to either port their OS to 64bit, or write a totally new version of windows...
As soon as Linux gets a compiler, we will take full advantage of the architecture. You know how quickly we work... Another factor is that Intel has been making friendly gestures at the Linux community. They were even so audacious as to donate some compiler optimizations. Personnally, I think Mickeysoft and windows are heading into some dark days, which I don't think they will survive.
Jeff
You can set up a Spread Sheet to calculations and tabulations. It is really quite cool, actually. Back in the day, my dad create a Lotus 1-2-3 spreadsheet that would calculate the percentage of interest in each payment of the loan given the interest rate, the principle amount of the loan and either the payment size or the number of payments (which could be extrapolated from the years). In otherwords, they are another way to program data analysis.
You can also use them to create tables, pie charts, bar graphs and so on and so forth. Pretty cool pieces of software actually. They are NOT intended to be used for database type applications, but they can be.
Jeff
Stupid proprietary software...
Jeff
Yep, I'm sorry to say, but there were a number of bugs that were in the orignal code posted. Because I had nothing to do this morning before I went off to see starwars, I fixed it up and got it working. So, here it is, the new and improved version: (same install instructions as noted above)
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <unistd.h>
#define BASIC_DELAY_TIME ( 1000000 / 15 )
#define LINES_PER_FRAME 13
main(void)
{
FILE * fd ;
int I , end = 0 ;
long delayTime ;
char delayTimeString[128] ;
char oneLine[128] ;
fd = fopen ( "sw1.txt" , "rt" ) ;
if ( fd == NULL ) {
printf ( "Error! Couldn't read sw1.txt\n" ) ;
return ;
}
while ((! feof(fd)) && (end != 1)) {
if ( fgets ( delayTimeString , 120 , fd ) != NULL ) {
delayTime = atol ( delayTimeString ) * BASIC_DELAY_TIME ;
if ( delayTime == 0 ) {
end = 1 ;
printf ( "Bad delay time error\n" ) ;
}
else {
printf ( "\x1b[2J\n" ) ;
for ( I = 0 ; I LINES_PER_FRAME ; I ++ ) {
if ( fgets ( oneLine , 120 , fd ) == NULL ) {
end = 1 ;
break ;
}
else {
printf ( "%s" , oneLine ) ;
}
}
usleep ( delayTime ) ;
}
} else {
end = 1 ;
}
}
fclose ( fd ) ;
return ( 1 ) ;
}
/*EOF*/
If the < and > tags didn't work above, replace them with lessthan (<) and greaterthan (>) signs (the angle brackets...)
Jeff
Netscape and most other browsers running encryption software of some sort use 128 bit encryption.
Think about that. These devices would go through 128 bit encryption in very little time at all, maybe a day or two. You want $10,000 bucks, do the engineering and win the RC5-64 competition in a day or less. That is what these devices will mean. Your credit cards aren't safe anymore. They may never have been.
Just thought I'd point this out because some posters above got there times backwards. 9-10 weeks is what it takes now, with damn good hardware.
I feel much better about upgrading SSH now. 1024 bits of encryption (at the moment, I might up that at some point). ph43drus
Now, I'm not in the industry, but the temp stuff is becoming a problem (there have been meetings and such for unionizing around town, I live in Oly, WA, about 60 mi south of Redmond).
This stuff does get thought about. Go read some of ESR's stuff on the matter. It is actually really good.
ph43drus
Like some of the guys above me. I like apple. MacOS 8 is better than windows. OSX will rock. I like the fact that they are trying to go open source. I'm not going to support them until they get the liscence right.
Doing it poorly, and not getting the free part right isn't going to get them very far with the community. Get over the fact that anything that looks like an attempt to purely take advantage of us will be harshly treated. It happens, it is part of the community. Which is what this issue is all about, is it not?
ph43drus
PS RMS is my hero
I personally don't need all that extra stuff so I just use WindowMaker. So I don't have any files on my desktop, because I don't have that functionality (don't miss it, reminds me too much of winbloze and Macintosh, mac isn't quite as bad, but I still won't use one as my personal computer).
This whole thing is about choice. You choose your GUI based on what you need. Check out the feature listings, go read up on a couple of these proggies, gnome stuff is at www.gnome.org and KDE is based at www.kde.org. I personally use WindowMaker, refered to earlier as "GNUstep." They all have their advantages, they all are extremely configurable, check out themes.org, and pay special attention to OctoberX's stuff (he's one of /.'s).
So I guess what all the hubbub is about, is that we pick what our GUI looks like and how it reacts to our commands. It is a huge matter of personal needs and preferences. There isn't anything forced on us. SuSE comes configured to run KDE, but I changed when I decided I didn't like it. Like the distro wars, one's choice of GUI can get to be pretty personal and some users tend to get pretty emotional about their particular window manager.
ph43drus
Well, I have to agree with you partly. I'm a high schooler, and we just got a yosemite to replace the old server (yeah, the IT department at school is a bunch of Mac guys, but I'm now a Die Hard Linux guy).
I'm pretty hyped about Apple releasing OSX server, we are getting a copy of it free to play with. Alas, I have to say I don't like seeing crap like this benchmark. I could have built a better computer for $5k, and probably configured Linux better for the benchmark. Anyways, every big company twists benchmarks around to put them in favor of their product, so it is a load like most of us have been saying (I know I'm going to be arguing with Schism and Cracker tomorrow over this).
Between this and their open source efforts (I hope they fix the liscence, that would be really cool, and release the rest of their stuff), I think Apple is going in the right direction. I just wish companies would cut out the crap about benchmarks, or at least put something up that isn't a load of bull for the techs...
ph43drus
This has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Yeah, I have to agree with the fact that this is for the 12-14 year old script kiddies.
Personally, I get my backpacks and other such storage gear at camping stores, probably much higher quality equipment and no stupid marketing schemes. I like my day pack, balanced like an internal frame pack, can accept an internal frame, 40 Liters of space, came with a Platypus (more commonly known as a Camel back sans insulation, so I get 2.5 liters of pure hydrating enjoyment), and it is also a technical bag, so it does what I need it to. Features like this are pretty common in most backpacks you find in camping stores. Backpacks like mine are also really comfortable, easier to carry and a lot more rugged (tear resistant fabrics).
You know, this really parallels M$ vs. Linux...
Backpacks for the Outdoors vs bags based on a stupid marketing scheme.... Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
ph43drus
Well, we have. Anyone remember the test down in arizona with the huge laser that can take out a satalite? Yep. We blew up a satalite with a ground based laser, breaking a number of treaties in the process.
This also a part of a slightly larger scheme that includes Boing 747s equipted with lasers meant to take out missles. Maybe even a space-born satalite killer or two. We use it also. Don't let the friggin' alarmist media let you think for a minute that we don't already have viable Laser weapons. This was in a popsci circa 1997-1998, the test with the satalite happened a couple of months later.
ph43drus
Early to bed, early to rise, and you get the best cerial.
Now this is a good idea. My thoughts on this are not to get rid of the keyboard. The keyboard has the advantage over the voice dictation of accurate and easy editing. It would, for the time being, remain useful (I'm not saying the keyboard is sacred or anything, just that it has an advantage or two in this situation).
The mouse should be dumped (I hate mice, they are slow and annoying). Now, I think the ideal setup in this situation would be to have the monitor and a minimalistic keyboard in one unit, probably having the keyboard storable, only needing to flip or slide out when you want to use it. Then, the window manager would be designed completely around the ability to touch the screen. The keys not on the keyboard would be buttons on the screen. Not necessarily labeled the same way. Or the whole thing could be done completely differently, these are just some initial thoughts.
---
All work and no play doesn't do anything positive for your performance.