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Typical Misinterpretation Of "Hacker"
PopStar writes
"Well, in accordance to the general population's
misunderstanding of the term "hacker", Kipling has
released a line of luggage which is aimed at script
kiddee's, called
The Kipling Hacker Collection.
Additionally, they have a hacker profile section, in
which they tell us what hackers look like, eat, etc."
I would suggest a boycott, but this stuff is stupid- I
wouldn't imagine a rational person buying it anyway.
But reading a bunch of cheesy stereotypes is amusing too.
Has anyone read The_Mentor's definition of a hacker? It was in the "Hacker's Manifesto". It's an interesting read.
http://axiom.cass.net/up/hackers_manifesto.html
-Bob "cyanide" Emperley
cn@axiom.cass.net
Those fanny packs are pretty tempting.. but I just dont know.. :) Those models they have for the packs look pretty believable too.. except they need to loose the tan, and the muscles..
That is the single greatest accomplishment in the history of marketing. Wow! Amazingly bad.
Ben
ROB- I tried to add an account twice. Why won't slashy send me my password?
What a load of crock..Madison ave. meets AOL.Would have liked to have had a look at their crap then shoot off an angry email but ...it seems their server is down.Hmmmm...
I got tired of carrying my laptop in that oversized satchel -- felt like a freaking pocketbook. So I got a padded "skin" from Sharon Luggage and just carry it around in a nice backpack. I'd rather look like a 30-year old student than like i'm carrying a pocketbook.
p.s.
If you wear a fanny pack -- check yourself.
-t-
Just smart marketing. There are not enough female geeks to warrant even advertising geek luggage as unisex, much less for females.
Site went down before I had a chance to see the good stuff. Such fun, though, to troll at trashdot and watch geeks make fools of themselves.
The profile of what a geek is supposed to be like must be good, though. It must be pretty accurate judging from the offended tone of the posts here from those who did see the page before it went down. Does this company sell pocket protectors? That's luggage, too.
If the shoe fits, wear it!
Well, it's funny.
:-)
:(
It's based on some kind of encryption.
First they create a 512-bit key from the username and the password, and then they have some algorithm that uses that key to swap bytes of a cyphertext contained in the java script, xor all bytes with a part of the key, and if the result starts with http:// it assumes that you've found the correct username/password.
It doesn't look like ground-breaking strong crypto, so maybe if I feel like it I could have a go for it.
OTOH, it might be strong crypto and Kipling would be violating crypto export regulations
Blah. on third thought, they're in Belgium, so it wouldn't matter
Hey, I and quite a few other people post as AC for the simple reason that WE ARE LAZY.
Forget posting here, hit their guest book - hard. It's fun =)
hmm... im not quite sure how this applies to "hackers", aopunks or computer gurus....
it looks like a bunch of skater type stuff mixed with north face gear. i dont think i could find a use for most of the stuff here, and does anyone really want to attach a "spam" to themselves? i certainly wouldnt... i would be embarassed to wear a moof. that was the first item i clicked on... to see what horrendous meaning they had come up with... getting kicked off the net? yeah, ok....
something everybody agrees on.
I feel like I should come out and say that this
stuff is cool, just to stir up trouble.
Thing is, noone would believe me.
I saw this website atleast a year ago, and who knows how long it was up before that. As sad as it seems, they must be making money.
-Adam
Lamer : (n) Anyone who buys or uses any of these products thinking that they're going to be 'leet because they have 'leet luggage.
Elite : (adj) Someone is elite when they have more warez than someone else.
Warez : (n) Things that are cool, like our products.
Ok yes the product is shameless and stupid. But, it's funny to see /.ers are still crying about this "Misinterpretation" of the word "Hacker". It's a wonder that such smart people can't understand that the meaning of a word can change with how the general (GENERAL PUBLIC, not slashdot public) uses it! If was not true gay would still mean happy and so on and so forth. I think you get the idea. So in sort the use of the word "Hacker" to describe some who gains unauthorized access to another persons computer is a "Hacker". So is the person who's an expert computer programmer, just as gay can still mean happy! I hope you guys can understand my angel.
yeah man this word is getting really notorious. i think it's about time a new word is born. how about... uh. god?
*all* teen-targetted marketing is incredibly shallow and stupid. i just don't see why i should get excited that another site is using misrepresentations to sell to teenaged morons.
Both of you are weak, you think having your civil rights violated makes for a fun story. Almost arrested? Almost cuffed? And the guy didn't even have a gun? No warrant? No probable cause? (besides someone saying 'hacker' in your vicinity?) That's BS that the cop did it and BS that you let him. Other guy: You let a friggin cop search your car!? Again, no warrant? No probable cause? (no insurance != probable cause) No wait, let me guess, you let him/her do it cause "it's just not worth the trouble to protest." Weak.
-ben
From the front page: A hacker is a malicious computer expert who breaks the security of computer systems in order to access, steal or destroy sensitive information.
From the item called "cracker": A cracker is a malicious hacker who breaks the security of computer systems in order to access, steal or destroy sensitive information.
Ummm...hello!
127^20 is about 1.191E42
the password must be a dictionary word, i agree. and i also add that it is probably something that's related to the subject.
like login: Kewlbackpackdood
password: hack
stupid 12-14 year old hacker wannabe phrase like that.
i'd say, if anyone cracked it, we all go there and ask for a freebie backpack, so they will be careful what they do next time.
The people who define the usage of a word are the "owners". For instance, if my mom and her friends started calling cheese graters "floppy drives" that doesn't make it right.
I hope you flurb what I'm talking about. (is "flurb" a correct usage here just because I used it?)
how about "Sunlight Deprived Individual" or "SDI" for short.
that's from the horse world ... people take their british ponies out for hacks in the forest.
That commerical was so pathetic it was extremely funny...
Must've kept the company files in an NT fileshare for all to see -- hardly a crack.
uselinux@email.com
Experience is not automatically better than education. And listing non-job-related experience is often a big warning flag--I know, I've done some hiring.
I'm not saying I wouldn't hire you because of these things, but if I know you have on the job knowledge of something, I know your knowledge is good enough that someone paid money for it. All too often "I have 10+ years of amatuer experience, you cretin!" is a mask for "Give me the job because I'm old, you young punk!".
As for experience: It's good. But for entering uncharted territory give me education every day.
kensington saddlebag ... in black leather, too. got it, love it, fits my 14" screen perfectly.
...then we can display the text from people who log in as:
"Rooooobbbb....get these lusers outta here....non-conformity scares my fascist mind...."
That would just be further motivation NOT to log in.
/.)
Were you here before "verified" (and I use the term loosely) logins were mandatory? There were NEVER any AC posts because it was easy, painless and private to add a name to a post. I used to put my name and email on EVERY SINGLE post. Then we converted to FascDot.
I refused to log in for months. The only reason I do know is to:
1) Demonstrate that logins help nothing (because they are NOT tied to a person) and hurt quite a bit (because of the added legal liability to
2) Filter out that idiot Katz.
I'll NEVER give in to these morons. I had a friend :P ;D
of mine say something like that. "Oh well, thats
what 'hacker' means now." NO IT DOESN'T. These
bastards don't realize it, but they're SHITING on
a very old and proud 'profession', with a rich
worldwide history. I'll be damned before I give in
to the media, or Joe and Martha Redneck who got an
AOL CD in the mail. FUCK THEM. You have to FIGHT this
nonsense -- EDUCATE the clueless. [insert Queen
CD with "We Are the Champion's" on it]
About a year ago, and we /.ed the poor link to death at that time as well.
These people have a real world storefront in Leuven belgium. I looked into it once, the stuff is pretty basic low quality chinese made things. But they have sewn labels onto them with the new names and put the price up 1000%. There was nothing I was interested in spending my money on, none of it would ever help me with my hacking.
If we're boycotting it why does slashdot have a link to it? The slashdot effect will drive their hits up, and the banner ad peddlers will come running cash in hand. Surely there are more deserving sites you can shine the spotlight on?
in a lot of browsers, (certainly not lynx, but lynx cannot do java script, right?) if you don't type http:// the browser will figure it out.
hm. how about us all do a distributed brute force crack? it won't take long to go thru the whole deal.
In addition to the Jansport Laptop transport, a backpack manufactured by The North Face, the "Mohican" pack has a padded laptop carry sleve in the main compartment as well as a Palm (tm) sized carry compartment in the smaller front pocket.
James
Hacked for 3 hours straight? You mean 3 days straight, right?
I don't get it? Why are there so many possibilities?
Assuming it is cap sensitive. We have 24 capital and 24 lower case letters. Then 0-9 (10 digits)...hmmm....I would say maybe 58 possible choices for each character in the answer. 16 characters...so 58^16...or about 1.6x10^28..
The test is whether the first 7 characters you get back are "http://". So yes, you need to specify type for the javascript. :-)
Regards,
Ben
"Also, most teens(who use IRC) know that a nuke is an ICMP bomb or an attack on special ports in Windows"
Well, they probably don't know the specifics, like ports, ICMP, or even windows (The number of people who keep trying to nuke you after you tell them you're running linux is quite high)
This is not "just a backpack company". This is the thin end of the one-world-government wedge! These international banking/marketing fiends will take over our childrens minds and brainwash them into thinking that internationalism and multiculturalism are "cool" by "hooking" innocent children on these brightly-colored "hacker" wares, and then the communist, homosexu . . .
Oh, fuck it. I'm too tired to spew that gibberish tonight. If anybody else is able to work himself up into the right paranoid/ahistorical mindframe to do a good Pat Buchanan, please help! I can't do it all alone, dammit!
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Oh, goody!
Personally, I'm in favor of education, myself, but not for practical reasons. In fact, I think you're both wrong. Education is good for purely abstract reasons; it makes you a better person. If you did it to get a job, you've gained nothing from it and you may as well live under a bridge for all you'll be worth as a human being. If you didn't read and mostly understand and enjoy The Wasteland, Ulysses, any old random grouping of Robert Browning monologues, and a lot of other crap like that, you're not educated at all. You should also know who the Guelphs and Ghibellines were, and if you don't know who discovered spackle (and, more importantly, why -- it's really quite a story!), you're a dead loss.
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Ok I made a quicky translation of that javascript into C. I am done for now. One of you "real" "Hackers" have at it.
Notice that PI is used once in expandKey, and after that all sig-figs are lost in the %256 bit.
I dont know why they used PI at all... they could have just as easily used 3.14
You only have to match 7 characters. There are
256^7 = 2^56 = 72057594037927936
possible combinations of 7 characters.
Therefore there are lots and lots of solutions that will match the pattern. (Heck, remember each try works twice!) However I suspect that you get nothing if you come back with a valid solution other than the one or two that they planned on...
Cheers,
Ben
Ahh, but your Jansport bag comes with a lifetime warranty...
here's a c translation. i dont know if its "correct" but is a start point for a distributed crack.
Yeah those people piss me off. But now that i look back i was one of those kids. I thought i was so cool because i used some gay program. I didn't know shit about computers then. If you asked me what TCP/IP meant i'de have had no clue. I don't think that crackers(hackers according to common stereotype) have any particular lifestyle.
Nuke: To intentionally delete the entire contents of a given directory,
hard drive, or storage volume.
Really? I though 'Nuke' was flooding a socket connection with icmp packets...
well I don't care, nuke is just plain stupid anyway.
I read slashdot all day... I use Windows95 because I haven't figured out how to configure PPP under Linux... I am elite!!!
I am trying to complie it in C++ it gives me a funny little error. What is the "C" spicifice code
Well, as anybody who remembers the recent mini-flamewar on the validity of "irregarless" will remember, language is a living, constantly evolving thing. So apparently the word "Hacker" has come to mean what we used to think of when we said "Cracker" since that's how people are using it.
I wonder if the same people that insisted that "irregardless" was a word because people used it are now just as happy to accept the changing meaning of "hacker" because people are using it that way. Can't have it both ways.
I bet Al Gore all ready has his. Don't you all know how 31337 he is?? In fact, he probably designed the whole line. I wish I was as k0\/\/1 as him!
Looks pretty sweet. Seems good to me...except one minor problem. You forgot to define the variable M_PI. Once when it is defined it compiles correctly.
that was a joke right?
Point is, don't expect to be taken seriously unless you put your name behind something.
So I should take seriously the writings of "Dast"? How is that more your name than AC is mine?
The point is no one is really "standing behind their posts here, we gain no security, there is NO BENEFIT to forced logins--so why do we have them?
If you are tempted to answer "so we can get personalizations" think again--a random ID stored in a cookie without our interaction would work just as well.
Actually, I have. The term moof, at least as I know it, means to be disconnected from a system. Back in the old BBS days, friends and I used to log into a local system that ran MBBS (The Major BBS, by Galacticomm). One prank that lusers would pull would be to coerce someone into chatting them, then sending a large stream of backspaces to the terminal. MBBS had a bug that would cause the other person to disconnect when this was done.
It was known as moofing, and those who did it a lot were known as moofers. Of course, once moofers were found out, no one would chat them, so it was sortof self policing.
It may very well be that this term originated in the Miami, FL area (area code 305) as no one I know out of state who was a BBS'er knew about the term, and on Worldlink chat (BBS based nationwide network), no one knew about the term either.
Just a bit of info from your friendly former BBS'er. }:)
PS - the name of the system was DCPS BBS (Dade county public schools). Any former DCPS users here? It'd be neat to get in touch again.
- =^o.o^=
agreed...capitalism is such nasty virii, no?
samedi@disinfo.ICHBINEINMARKETEUR.net
the ultimate hacker. just ask nicole and ron. oops, can't, they're dead.
Filtered, for sure! I once saw a great Hillbilly text filrer once, a'la the Clampetts... I think it was called 'Jethro'... I'm sure someone could Perl-ify (or JavaScript) it...
PS: AC is also the name of a goofy Metal band, who have a song, "The Internet is Gay" hmm....
Ok Well I have the C++ code going right now.
;-) drop me a line at icefox@mediaone.net and well try to get it going. OR if you just care to check me code for me that would be nice. I know a lot of it could be better, but I wrote it really fast. I have the javascript version compleatly done, but that thing is slow as death.
Alass it is still slow on my Celery450. Anyone else out there care to split the load? The more the marrier.
Yeah! Real hacker clothing can sometimes consist of an official Moof shirt. When's the last time you saw a clueless d00d wearing one? Certainly not anyone under about 25 years old. (Please don't give me any Mac crap. Nobody gives a damn.)
I already have a fanny pack, and I call it a pouch. It's green.
i run windoze95, i download warezzz and mp3zzz and
i have a mighty celeron from intel!!!
and i'm a big programmer, check OuT mY JaVAscriptzz
..oOOOKIPLING RULEZOOOo..
i'm going to buy their productz and get them
signed by Bill GaTeZzz
(not)
Actually, there was line of luggage/backsacks that sold in some of the Japanese stors called "hack" or "hacker"... I forget it's been so many years ago. I wore out my bag along time ago... Still, Japan does have a long an glorious tradition of using English in funky ways (I try to return the favor to the Japanese language whenever possible). I was particulary inpressed with the "Bitch" line of accessories, which all have fobs with two figures, one slapping the other "bitch" down. I'm not so sure that this particular product line was done out of complete ignorance to the denotative and connotative meanings of the target marketing word. It's all got a kinda' wierd pycho-sexual spin on it when you realize that the target consumer is the average angokousai (teen-prostitute) school girl with too much money/time and way too little brains/self-esteme.
Some how I don't think my idea for the "exam suicide" line of things would go over very well in Japan. That's probably why "Bitch" hasn't caught on in the state, eh?
As for me, the day "Hacking" become a GenX+n indoor extreme sport marketed to the teen couch patato crowd, well, that's the day that I just became my parents.
This Internet-TV convergence is NOT a good thing, folks.
so it may just catch on! Imagine one fine day...
/.tters are crippling that site!
S. Kiddie: The
Hacker: You meant they are kipling that site.
S. Kiddie: Hey! You said kipling! Cool... you must be a real hacker then. Oh! I am not worthy - let me worship at thy feet! Will thou teach me how to get root password?
Hacker: Look underneath the monitor for a yellow Post-It note. It is usually written on it.
Hey, don't bash the movie -- the chick was hot.
its so funny, look at the title of this crap. 'Mailbomb' and 'provider' are used because everyone knows that 'mailbombing' is what hackers do. I'd like to meet the intern in charge of the naming. Funny, really, the luggage isn't bad, i'd buy a couple if they were named different.
Whatis a 3r33t k-r4d l1nuX bawX
PH3AR ME?
"I thought i was so cool because i used some gay program." huh? you've got to be kidding me. you did _not_ just use the word "gay" as i think you did. it amazes me how people go all out of the way defending one sub-culture (whatever its definition may be) and so blatantly ignore another one's concerns. please.
d3l1r1um.
(no, i don't spell it with numbers to be cool but to distinguish from several billions of other deliriums on IRC and avoid nick fights).
Ok here is the source that I *through* (important word here this code is not very good in my eyes) together. Any problems with it?
I am starting at aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
so it might be prudent for you to change yours to somthing like
aaaaaaabaaaaaaaaaa
so that you are checking the code way ahead of me. If anyone find any bugs e-mail them to me and then I will put it back up here. Also tell me what you are doing so that we all don't check the same things twice. I am going to implenet a file output of the winners later.
grab the latest one from
http://gaby.ne.mediaone.net/crack/
I recall reading in Shakespear: "He is a nice villian." In today's terminology, it would be "He is a bad neighbour" or something like that. (Some one corrects me if I am not totally correct. :)
My point is, meanings do change with popular (mis)use.
Of course, that isn't stopping me from feeling irritated when the media abuses the word hacker. What do I do? Usually drop them a note to clarify the meaning. What do they do? They ignore it and continue down the unenlightened path. What should you do? If you are unhappy about it, drop them an email and bitch about it. If enough ppl bitch them, they might just get it through their skull. Take action rather than bitch among ourselves. We have an opportunity to make a difference. Use it well.
OTOH, if you rather let it be, so be it.
If one online newspaper start using the terms cracker and hackers correctly, I will have a lot of respect for them.
/w0lv3rin3
(Can someone explain to me why hackers/crackers love to mangle their c0d3n4m3 lik3 7h1s? Wh4t'5 th3 p01n7? Just make it a p4in to r34d!)
Translation: 'Elite very rad linux box. fear me'
Don't ask if it makes any sense, as it doesn't.
truly another lame-ass stereotype from a lame ass culture.
I like "Unix guru".
ROFL, you haven't seen the worst, where I live there are people that have made free phone calls and call themselves hackers. :)
I got that in my prog! :-)
Oh dear.... somebody's stolen the term "hacker". The world as .005% of the population knows it comes to a grinding halt. I'm sure you "hackers" must feel so.... used. I'm not sure if I'll be able to sleep tonight but I'll do my best. PopStar's post has certainly helped me on my way.
Please Explain More
Thank you thank you thank you. I have NEVER EVER laughed as long and loud as I did when I read this post. It conjured up images of hoards of little acne-challenged wimps punching their puny fists in the air. I'm sure your respective mothers must be very proud
hey all, thanks to the slashdot effect, i can't seem to get any of the .mov files that you guys are talking about.. can anybody with bandwidth that they don't have to pay for put the files up? (hack_1.mov, etc)
thanks
AC
Wow, I got almost all of it.
God, I am sad : P
A really, really bad algorithm /. effect.
runs great on the
Wow.
What could be do with some RSA?
LOL!
I like both ideas.
Hmmmm...Maybe double meanings...the best of both worlds!
-No
kipling: (v) committing a sexual act on any number of barnyard animals. example: "Look mommy! That man is kipling a sheep!"
-Anonymous wuss
Would that be the food, or the "racial slur"? :)
The best definition I've ever heard is that a
hacker is someone who, when presented with a new
bit of technology asks first 'How does it work?'
not 'What can it do for me?'
ZamZ
Kipling (KIPLING5-DOM)
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...Thanks for crushing my self image. :P
-The Heliotropic One
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not me !
their stitches are about as good as their
expertise...
"They that would give up essential liberty to
obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither
liberty nor safety." - Ben Franklin, 1759
You have an obligation to all your friends,
loved ones, and everyone around you to prevent
the abuse of authority.
gee folks, the whole thing is even more ridiculous ...
than you might think of: they do not even have a
backpack with a specific laptop compartment like
most of the other backpack companies do
this is really dumb. and, btw. do you really want
to run around with a wannabe backpack?
A real hacker is someone who, when presented with a new bit of technology says 'Wow, I bet you could put a bunch of those together and make a bitchin' Beowulf cluster!'
Everybody knows that its spelt 31337 :-)
Hey at least they stereo-type has changed a bit over the years. Now hackers are 'cool'. Shrug. Its kinda lame but not so bad.
First you steal the word 'surf',
then you steal 'hacker', what other sports you gonna plagiarize?
What about iririririririririrdededeirregardlessnessinessiness iness ???
Irregarless is in the dictionary (or some dictionaries), most often you'll see, "nonstandard: Use regardless instead" in it's definition. It's a word that coming into being just because people are using (or misusing) it. Just like hacker will always have a negative connotation for most people, and therefore be redefined.
What causes this behavior? Parents? Commercialism? Peer pressure? Wrong education? I don't get it, I mean... some poeple are just ill-informed and that's okay but THIS...
We should simply create a new word which has the meaning of what a hacker is, let the public take over the word hacker and bend its meanings as much as they like, and then we'll have a few years before the next wannabe tech reporter misuses our new word...
Perhaps we should officialy hold a contest here at slashdot to think of a new word.
moof came from a joke posted during arpa days by
{sun,pacbell,uunet,pyramid,amdahl}!hoptoad!cas
that went something like this:
q: what goes moof?
a: a bucktooth cow!
$ftp www.kipling.com
Connected to 194.119.239.81.
220 ProFTPD 1.2.0pre1 Server (Planet Internet Hosting FTP Server) [hosting.planetinternet.be]
User (194.119.239.81:(none)):
What is so hard to believe about? People have always defended specific sub-cultures; if they do not agree with it, they will either ignore it or attack it, or, most often, merely slight it. Doing anyone of the these actions does not make the views of that particular sub-culture right or wrong... it is merely that particular person expressing his their beliefs on the matter.
Where I stand on this, I see it as irrevelant; I just want to point out that the main principle on why any sub-culture exists openly is the ability to freely express your opinion. Delirium (didn't want to use the funky spelling), the previous poster, by using his choice of language, appearantly expressed himself in a way you found inflammatory. I ask you to remember, it takes two people to have a remark be view as inflammatory, and, additionly, he has as much right for expression of his beliefs as the next guy (I find the lack of understanding among EVERYONE of this principle particularly annoying).
Just remember, not all of someone's concerns may coincide with yours; you can pretty much the readers of the site like Linux, Open Source, etc., but other social-political-moral-religous views can have as much variety as you can think you can fathom. So don't be amazed; just understand this, and accept it... yes, you can try to change it, but first examine the beliefs and then decide whether they are worth going to the map for at this site (I have a feeling most people would ignore it)...
Grandpa
Amen... the whole purpose of education to teach you a way of thinking, and in so doing broaden your knowledge of the society you live in and its history; you wanna learn a skill, go to vocational school. That is why I am greatful that all majors at my college were and currently are require to complete a total of 44+ (more depending on the field) of liberal arts courses; I would hate to think of the number of engineers who never got exposed to 19th Century British Literature. The amazing thing was how many of the science and technological-oriented majors chose various english or history courses as their electives; I feel this did nothing but improve them.
An advantage for companies is that if they are able to get a hold of these increasingly rare students, they'll have someone who knows their main skills well, can communicate effectively, is self-reliant, and, more importantly, has a tried and trued method of reasoning (geez parts of that sound cheesy). You can teach pure knowledge rather rapidly on-site, but reasoning and communications kills, and others, take years to learn, practice, and perfect; amateurs, while their abilities might be stellar, will have a disadvantage in the other fringe areas, and also a disadvantage overall as employers know that the knowledge end can be taught if necessary. For example, when I applied for the job, I got it even though my major was physics and history. Sure, I had a minor in Computer Science, but 18 hours is hardly going to be enough on its own for obtaining a career position. They working looking for, when they hired me, someone who could perform in the other areas, as they had passed over some people who were more skilled in networks than I am. However, I have (and am) learning the skills necessary quickly in the intense methods of the ancient Vikings (throw Thor in the ocean... if swims, he can live... if he doesn't, Odin & Co. will be waiting...).
Grandpa, who is trying to get the Linux and NT Server box (SCREW NT!) to play nicely with each other (AAARRGGHH!)
The Real Hackers don't care. Real Hackers know what the meaning is
I don't give a damn that non-Hackers think it means whatever... They are stupid anyway. When I use the word Hacker, and someone misunderstands me, then I wasn't talking to him in the first place.
Run highfives all Real Hackers around here.
Carlo Wood
Yeah ... it's gotta be peer pressure. I have a tragic story of how the bad defintion was forced upon me.
... we're hackers! Wanna join our club? We break into computer systems and stuff!" I--being so well-informed by the scholarly Linux community--was infuriated, and said, "Hey guys, listen up. A hacker is nothing more than an avid programmer who likes to write PURPOSEFUL programs!" But no ... they kept rejecting my views; they continued to tease me and call me names like "wimpy programmer" and "chickenshit." Eventually, I HAD to give in: "Okay guys, I'll join your club. I mean, since everyone else is doing it, it's gotta be good!" There you have it. That's what happened to me. I am now scarred for life, with a funny wont to prove it: everytime I hear or read the word "hacker," I break out in a heart-pounding sweat, ready to keel over onto the floor.
Every day, I go to school to learn and socialize. While eating lunch the other day, my friends (at least I THOUGHT they were my friends) came up to me and said, "Hey man
Well, there you have it. This is proof that peeer pressure IS the problem. HAH!
The guys in their design dept. were smoking crack...and probably the suits also.
Most people call them "bumbags".
WHY ARE YOU HERE? ... YOUUUUU JACKASS!
One could try to do a known-plaintext attack on it. Self-made "improvements" often cause the algorithm to become vulnerable to k-p attacks. After all, we know (or guess) quite a lot about the URL.
No, don't look at me, I have better things to do with my time. I might read math to pass certain upcoming exams, for instance.
Well, I have 73 hours left checking "hackercollection" by brute force. Then I guess I'll move on to "hackerCollection" and "HaCkErCoLlEcTiOn" or "h4ck3rc0113c710n" :)
here's the javascript converted into java if anyone cares... pretty sure it functions the same as the javascript, but jesus there's no typing in that language! Ughh....
You'll have to replace the less-thans and greater-thans -- i couldn't get this silly thing to post them correctly...
/**
* Kipling.java
*
* Conversion to java of the "hacker game" at Kipling.com
* Use as you like....
*/
public class Kipling
{
String lpd_value_1 = "";
String lpd_value_2 = "";
int [] lpd_code_1 = new int[64];
int [] lpd_code_2 = new int[64];
Kipling()
{
reset();
}
void reset()
{
initLpdCodes();
}
void initLpdCodes()
{
lpd_code_1[0] = 101;
lpd_code_1[1] = 107;
lpd_code_1[2] = 173;
lpd_code_1[3] = 67;
lpd_code_1[4] = 68;
lpd_code_1[5] = 0;
lpd_code_1[6] = 40;
lpd_code_1[7] = 150;
lpd_code_1[8] = 97;
lpd_code_1[9] = 103;
lpd_code_1[10] = 0;
lpd_code_1[11] = 0;
lpd_code_1[12] = 109;
lpd_code_1[13] = 114;
lpd_code_1[14] = 0;
lpd_code_1[15] = 111;
lpd_code_1[16] = 16;
lpd_code_1[17] = 245;
lpd_code_1[18] = 108;
lpd_code_1[19] = 47;
lpd_code_1[20] = 116;
lpd_code_1[21] = 186;
lpd_code_1[22] = 213;
lpd_code_1[23] = 141;
lpd_code_1[24] = 46;
lpd_code_1[25] = 0;
lpd_code_1[26] = 32;
lpd_code_1[27] = 27;
lpd_code_1[28] = 0;
lpd_code_1[29] = 140;
lpd_code_1[30] = 104;
lpd_code_1[31] = 159;
lpd_code_1[32] = 0;
lpd_code_1[33] = 62;
lpd_code_1[34] = 109;
lpd_code_1[35] = 46;
lpd_code_1[36] = 83;
lpd_code_1[37] = 0;
lpd_code_1[38] = 84;
lpd_code_1[39] = 108;
lpd_code_1[40] = 40;
lpd_code_1[41] = 128;
lpd_code_1[42] = 172;
lpd_code_1[43] = 7;
lpd_code_1[44] = 4;
lpd_code_1[45] = 0;
lpd_code_1[46] = 36;
lpd_code_1[47] = 207;
lpd_code_1[48] = 18;
lpd_code_1[49] = 44;
lpd_code_1[50] = 222;
lpd_code_1[51] = 137;
lpd_code_1[52] = 116;
lpd_code_1[53] = 124;
lpd_code_1[54] = 208;
lpd_code_1[55] = 74;
lpd_code_1[56] = 153;
lpd_code_1[57] = 38;
lpd_code_1[58] = 149;
lpd_code_1[59] = 208;
lpd_code_1[60] = 0;
lpd_code_1[61] = 86;
lpd_code_1[62] = 67;
lpd_code_1[63] = 113;
lpd_code_2[0] = 101;
lpd_code_2[1] = 108;
lpd_code_2[2] = 173;
lpd_code_2[3] = 205;
lpd_code_2[4] = 68;
lpd_code_2[5] = 0;
lpd_code_2[6] = 32;
lpd_code_2[7] = 71;
lpd_code_2[8] = 97;
lpd_code_2[9] = 103;
lpd_code_2[10] = 108;
lpd_code_2[11] = 97;
lpd_code_2[12] = 239;
lpd_code_2[13] = 0;
lpd_code_2[14] = 99;
lpd_code_2[15] = 0;
lpd_code_2[16] = 102;
lpd_code_2[17] = 46;
lpd_code_2[18] = 0;
lpd_code_2[19] = 116;
lpd_code_2[20] = 20;
lpd_code_2[21] = 107;
lpd_code_2[22] = 103;
lpd_code_2[23] = 111;
lpd_code_2[24] = 46;
lpd_code_2[25] = 0;
lpd_code_2[26] = 0;
lpd_code_2[27] = 27;
lpd_code_2[28] = 12;
lpd_code_2[29] = 140;
lpd_code_2[30] = 104;
lpd_code_2[31] = 194;
lpd_code_2[32] = 94;
lpd_code_2[33] = 90;
lpd_code_2[34] = 109;
lpd_code_2[35] = 46;
lpd_code_2[36] = 100;
lpd_code_2[37] = 0;
lpd_code_2[38] = 0;
lpd_code_2[39] = 108;
lpd_code_2[40] = 40;
lpd_code_2[41] = 0;
lpd_code_2[42] = 27;
lpd_code_2[43] = 103;
lpd_code_2[44] = 108;
lpd_code_2[45] = 30;
lpd_code_2[46] = 238;
lpd_code_2[47] = 190;
lpd_code_2[48] = 18;
lpd_code_2[49] = 55;
lpd_code_2[50] = 176;
lpd_code_2[51] = 73;
lpd_code_2[52] = 74;
lpd_code_2[53] = 145;
lpd_code_2[54] = 208;
lpd_code_2[55] = 30;
lpd_code_2[56] = 153;
lpd_code_2[57] = 51;
lpd_code_2[58] = 36;
lpd_code_2[59] = 8;
lpd_code_2[60] = 83;
lpd_code_2[61] = 86;
lpd_code_2[62] = 56;
lpd_code_2[63] = 241;
}
int a2i ( char a2i_ch )
{
int a2i_int = 0;
switch ( a2i_ch )
{
case ' ' :
a2i_int = 32;
break;
case '.' :
a2i_int = 46;
break;
case '/' :
a2i_int = 47;
break;
case '0' :
a2i_int = 48;
break;
case '1' :
a2i_int = 49;
break;
case '2' :
a2i_int = 50;
break;
case '3' :
a2i_int = 51;
break;
case '4' :
a2i_int = 52;
break;
case '5' :
a2i_int = 53;
break;
case '6' :
a2i_int = 54;
break;
case '7' :
a2i_int = 55;
break;
case '8' :
a2i_int = 56;
break;
case '9' :
a2i_int = 57;
break;
case ':' :
a2i_int = 58;
break;
case ';' :
a2i_int = 59;
break;
case '=' :
a2i_int = 61;
break;
case '?' :
a2i_int = 63;
break;
case '@' :
a2i_int = 64;
break;
case 'A' :
a2i_int = 65;
break;
case 'B' :
a2i_int = 66;
break;
case 'C' :
a2i_int = 67;
break;
case 'D' :
a2i_int = 68;
break;
case 'E' :
a2i_int = 69;
break;
case 'F' :
a2i_int = 70;
break;
case 'G' :
a2i_int = 71;
break;
case 'H' :
a2i_int = 72;
break;
case 'I' :
a2i_int = 73;
break;
case 'J' :
a2i_int = 74;
break;
case 'K' :
a2i_int = 75;
break;
case 'L' :
a2i_int = 76;
break;
case 'M' :
a2i_int = 77;
break;
case 'N' :
a2i_int = 78;
break;
case 'O' :
a2i_int = 79;
break;
case 'P' :
a2i_int = 80;
break;
case 'Q' :
a2i_int = 81;
break;
case 'R' :
a2i_int = 82;
break;
case 'S' :
a2i_int = 83;
break;
case 'T' :
a2i_int = 84;
break;
case 'U' :
a2i_int = 85;
break;
case 'V' :
a2i_int = 86;
break;
case 'W' :
a2i_int = 87;
break;
case 'X' :
a2i_int = 88;
break;
case 'Y' :
a2i_int = 89;
break;
case 'Z' :
a2i_int = 90;
break;
case '_' :
a2i_int = 95;
break;
case 'a' :
a2i_int = 97;
break;
case 'b' :
a2i_int = 98;
break;
case 'c' :
a2i_int = 99;
break;
case 'd' :
a2i_int = 100;
break;
case 'e' :
a2i_int = 101;
break;
case 'f' :
a2i_int = 102;
break;
case 'g' :
a2i_int = 103;
break;
case 'h' :
a2i_int = 104;
break;
case 'i' :
a2i_int = 105;
break;
case 'j' :
a2i_int = 106;
break;
case 'k' :
a2i_int = 107;
break;
case 'l' :
a2i_int = 108;
break;
case 'm' :
a2i_int = 109;
break;
case 'n' :
a2i_int = 110;
break;
case 'o' :
a2i_int = 111;
break;
case 'p' :
a2i_int = 112;
break;
case 'q' :
a2i_int = 113;
break;
case 'r' :
a2i_int = 114;
break;
case 's' :
a2i_int = 115;
break;
case 't' :
a2i_int = 116;
break;
case 'u' :
a2i_int = 117;
break;
case 'v' :
a2i_int = 118;
break;
case 'w' :
a2i_int = 119;
break;
case 'x' :
a2i_int = 120;
break;
case 'y' :
a2i_int = 121;
break;
case 'z' :
a2i_int = 122;
break;
case '~' :
a2i_int = 126;
break;
default :
a2i_int = 0;
break;
}
return a2i_int;
}
int [] expandKey ( String lpk_login, String lpk_passwd )
{
int [] lpk_key = new int[64];
double lpk_tmp = Math.PI;
for ( double lpk_index = 0; lpk_index %lt; 64; lpk_index++ )
{
int p1 = (int)(lpk_index % 16);
int p2 = (int)(lpk_index % 4);
lpk_tmp =
(
(
lpk_tmp * a2i( lpk_login.substring( p1, p1 + 1 ).charAt( 0 ) )
)
+ a2i( lpk_passwd.substring( p2, p2 + 1 ).charAt( 0 )
)
) % 256;
lpk_key[(int)(lpk_index)] = (int)(lpk_tmp);
}
return lpk_key;
}
String decodeURL ( String lpd_login, String lpd_passwd )
{
lpd_value_1 = "";
lpd_value_2 = "";
int [] lpd_key = new int[64];
lpd_key = expandKey( lpd_login, lpd_passwd );
for ( int index = 63; index >= 0; index-- )
{
int swap_index = (int)(Math.floor( lpd_key[index] % 64 ));
if ( swap_index == index )
{
swap_index = ( swap_index + 1 ) % 64;
}
lpd_code_1[index] = lpd_code_1[index] ^ lpd_code_1[swap_index];
lpd_code_1[swap_index] = lpd_code_1[index] ^ lpd_code_1[swap_index];
lpd_code_1[index] = lpd_code_1[swap_index] ^ lpd_code_1[index];
lpd_code_1[index] = lpd_code_1[index] ^ (int)(Math.floor( lpd_key[index] ));
lpd_code_2[index] = lpd_code_2[index] ^ lpd_code_2[swap_index];
lpd_code_2[swap_index] = lpd_code_2[index] ^ lpd_code_2[swap_index];
lpd_code_2[index] = lpd_code_2[swap_index] ^ lpd_code_2[index];
lpd_code_2[index] = lpd_code_2[index] ^(int)( Math.floor( lpd_key[index] ));
}
for ( int index = 0; index %lt; 64; index++ )
{
lpd_value_1 += new String( new byte[] { (byte)(lpd_code_1[index]) } );
lpd_value_2 += new String( new byte[] { (byte)(lpd_code_2[index]) } );
}
return lpd_value_1;
}
boolean decodeLP ( String login, String passwd, String [] results )
{
String new_url_1 = "";
String new_url_2 = "";
String lp_login = login;
String lp_passwd = passwd;
decodeURL( lp_login, lp_passwd );
new_url_1 = lpd_value_1;
new_url_2 = lpd_value_2;
boolean return_value = false;
if ( new_url_1.startsWith( "http://" ) )
{
System.err.println( new_url_1 );
return_value = true;
}
if ( new_url_2.startsWith( "http://" ) )
{
System.err.println( new_url_1 );
return_value = true;
}
results[0] = new_url_1;
results[1] = new_url_2;
return return_value;
}
public static void main( String [] args )
{
Kipling k = new Kipling();
String [] results = new String[2];
k.decodeLP( args[0], args[1], results );
System.err.println( results[0] );
System.err.println( results[1] );
*/
String [] results = new String [2];
String login = "hackercollection";
byte [] passBytes = new byte[4];
String pass = null;
double total = 95 * 95 * 95 * 95;
double roundDouble = 10000.0;
int roundInt = 10000;
double divisor = total / roundDouble;
double startTime = (double)System.currentTimeMillis();
int count = 1;
int millisPerHour = 1000 * 60 * 60;
for ( int a = 32 ; a %lt;= 127; a++ )
{
for ( int b = 32; b %lt;= 127; b++ )
{
for ( int c = 32; c %lt;= 127; c++ )
{
for ( int d = 32; d %lt;= 127; d++ )
{
k.reset();
passBytes[0] = (byte)a;
passBytes[1] = (byte)b;
passBytes[2] = (byte)c;
passBytes[3] = (byte)d;
pass = new String( passBytes, 0, 4 );
if ( count % 2000 == 0 )
System.err.print( "\'" + pass + "\'" + "\t" );
if ( count % roundInt == 0 )
{
long time = System.currentTimeMillis();
double secsForRound = (double)(time) - startTime;
System.err.println( (( secsForRound / roundDouble ) * ( total - count )) / millisPerHour );
startTime = time;
}
if ( k.decodeLP( login, pass, results ) )
{
System.err.println( "YOU WIN!" );
System.err.println( "pass = " + pass );
System.err.println( "result1 = " + results[0] );
System.err.println( "result2 = " + results[1] );
return;
}
count++;
}
}
}
}/**/
}
}
what is stockholm syndrome? -ben
I agree with you that it is sad that Americans are such sheep when it comes to rights, but I must disagree that the priamry function of the military is to defend the rights of every citizen in this country. Think..._every_ citizen? The primary function of the US military for the last 200 years has been to protect the special intrests of a few elite businessmen, with the ancilliary(sp?) benefit that the rest of us average schmoes don't get run over by hordes of invaders. I certainly appreciate _your_ efforts to protect our rights, I'm sure _your_ intentions are good, but you should take another glance at a history book, one preferably without a stamp of approval from the US Militaty/Industrial Complex (tm). Hmm, I'm guessing I won't get much agreement from the folk in this forum, being as we are the elite (technocrats) of which I am speaking.
-ben
You are an idiot.
You fear for you life because of some stupid kids?! Pahleeeeezzzzzzz! Spare us! You obviously know just as little as they do.
g e r p
I noticed that their "Hint" has sixteen words in it. Any chance that they're using the first letter from each word as the login?
Look at their Hot News and scream!!!
" When I use the word Hacker, and someone misunderstands me, then I wasn't talking to him in the first place."
.sig!!!
Great
Hey Doofus; read the pages before shooting your mouth off... ;-)
http://www.kipling.com/hacker/coll ection/cyberpunk.html
"Description: PC Backpack with foamed computer compartment."
Translation- Keepin the warez free for all the 'leets(elites) in the house.
The 'elites' seem to have taken to a fad of talking in black slang. I guess they watch too much "In living Color" or something. The solution to most of these geeks is to block em at the router.
Of course this doesnt always work but it keeps most of the 'black rappin' fools outa your site.
Cheers
truly another lame-ass stereotype *for* a lame ass culture.
helloo???
look further down.
this has already been translated to c++, c, and
java.
These people only know what a lamer is. If they really had a clue, they'd write a web page which was readable without the latest |R4D k3w1 \/\/3B |
I'm surprised they didn't name their lame-ass frames using k-rad k3wl 3l3e73 3ng1ish.
Paraphrasing William Shatner: "...The world's become lame."
>Administrative Contact:
>Boogers, Willem (WB2617) >W.A.Boogers@KPN-TELECOM.NL
>+31.70.343.26.07 (FAX) +31.70.343.27.56
Bill Boogers??? (snicker...)
Not to sound lame or anything, but i don't actually watch animations much over the net so what the hell can i use to watch the *.mov things on this page ? i know its quicktime but whats a good (or even any) client for linux ?
My fear is they will learn firsthand about h@ck0rz. The script kiddiez will get giddy:
GET / HTTP/1.0 :
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:10:32 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.4 (Unix)
Last-Modified: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:04:09 GMT
ETag: "564b0-4f8-3626fdf9"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 1272
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html
Why isn't this puppy proxied? Why isn't this badboy denying telnet, traceroutes, etc? Why is mail.kipling.com using unpatched sendmail 8.8.7 from last year?
Escape character is '^]'.
220 www.defabriek.be ESMTP Sendmail 8.8.7/8.8.7; Tue, 16 Mar 1999 09:12:40 +0100
vrfy root
250 root
Argg... Root is often exposed, but vrfy/expn should be off, ugh. Also:
Trying 193.121.83.33...
Connected to www.defabriek.be.
Escape character is '^]'.
De Fabriek
login:
Bleagg, I'm going to sleep, this is plain sad.
Sorry bud, but in relation with computers, hacking came first, surfing is relatively new, you are either clueless or one of those born yesterday types who thinks they know all when it comes to computers.
no they could give these out with ti's and i prolly wouldn't take one, maybe they should learn that the new geek trend is wearable computers..
The benefit of having a login is that fools who would normaly post mindless crap might worry a bit more about their reputation.
How does a login help this? Just change your login from time to time. It just makes it more troublesome, that's it.
I got a chuckle out of the Hacker's Manifesto.
Poor little boy, molded by others into a hacker because he was soooooo much smarter than everyone else.
Does anyone else see a contradiction in this?
If he's so smart why does he blame everyone else for the way he turned out?
Irregardless isn't a real word because it's the result of a sloppy pairing of regardless and, in this case, a useless prefix.
Regardless is the word. Irregardless is a sloppy misuse of the rules of English.
OK, if we're going to discuss hacker vs. cracker then let's discuss nerd vs. geek.
The meaning of geek, only a few short years ago, was a carnival sideshow freak; usually a guy; in a cage; and somebody would throw in what appeared to be a live chicken or rat. The geek would appear to bite and chew on the living animal until he killed it then he would eat it. (Sort of a precursor to Ozzie.)
I'll always be a nerd but I'll never be a geek!
Read the info at the site:
login: 16 chars
pw: 4 chars
later!
Well. I agree that this algorithm is very simple, :)
but it would take my machine several days to brute
force.
Therefore I suggest to do a distributed search
Any comments?
I was just poking around the site and it suddenly died. When I tried to reload, it redirected me to www.apple.com. Okay, which one of you did it?
Also, I've been looking for a while to find out how much they make you pay for this stuff, and I can't find anyone on earth who carries the Hacker collection.
Since i had nothing to do , i poked around with
the first step of the Encrypter,
Here is a decryption routine for the
It's mainly based upon the fact that they are using the PI Key. Knowing that, You can reverse
the Dividing process.
see Http://shell.worldonline.nl:8888/x.html
below here is the engine of the decrypter,
As you can see, it's add each round also +256,
since that is needed to overcome the %256 routine.
This is only One little step of the solution, and maybe a wrong step, i'm still Brain flushing over the
swap_index = Math.floor(lpd_key[index] % 64);
routine, does somebody have experience for getting back 0.xxx value's ? i was thinkg about building a dual [login][pw] table, combined with a (floor(pi*login)+pw)%256 to crosscheck each 0,4,8...60 position.
annyway : here 's the engine.
-- tser
terdudio@worldonline.nl
function findthe(r_lpk_tmp,last,minusvalue)
{
solved=-1;
powerbit=0;
do
{
counter=32;
reverse_last=r_lpk_tmp+powerbit;
do
{
mykey=counter*(last)
solo =reverse_last-mykey
if (solo32)
{
if ((Math.floor(solo)==solo))
{
document.write("[mykey]",mykey," - [solo. (pw)] =",solo,"[counter (log] = ",counter);
globalpw=solo;
solved=counter;
}
}
counter++
} while( (counter=127)&&(solved==-1))
powerbit+=256;
}while ( (solved==-1)&&(powerbit
return solved;
}
Lads,
This username/password is impossible to crack. The decoding routines you see on the web pages combone and decode the entered username/password into a URL. Without knowing the destination URL you will never get the password.
Trials show that there are quite a lot of combinations of usernames/passwords that, when passed through this routine produce valid URLs..but not necessarily the correct URL.
Connected to 194.119.239.81.
220 ProFTPD 1.2.0pre1 Server (Planet Internet Hosting FTP Server) [hosting.planetinternet.be]
User (194.119.239.81:(none)):
Won't help you... unless you can log in. The sploit overflows a function in a path.
Username: FreeKevinMitnick
Password: Now!
only 100 bags are given away...
so get your request in fast
I was sitting in Mac DTS when Mark Harlan and ZZ Zimmerman first used the term to describe the call of the dogcow. We were all sitting around one evening, occasionally juggling things that seemed jugglable, and generally making jokes. Then we started trying to record the mooooof sound with a farallon sound recorder we had just got. Its a mix of my voice and ZZs that got published on some CD-ROMs and other places.
It was shortly after that when the name Clarus was given to the dogcow in the laserwriter options panel. Then some of the DTS guys wrote a humorous technote on the dogcow, and if you go search the developer website you can find it.
After that Apple trademarked the word moof, despite the fact that we all knew it came from earlier BBSing, meaning to be disconnected by a bug in the BBS system (as opposed to being disconnected by the fone company, or a crappy line)
The url you need is /login.html
Someone referred to me as a hacker in public once, and a policeman heard. He quickly came up to me and started to question me. He almost cuffed me and would have if I hadn't explained what the word really meant. He was only a sherrif though (around here they are a police force of a bunch of locals who went to a 4 hour seminar and can't carry a gun make citizens arrests). We need a new word or something, becasue we can't take hacker back anymore due to its now soiled image. By the way, who the hell started this whole hacker=stupid kid who guessed at a password thing anyway! I want to know so I can __________ --place violent act here
Interesting that they are daring to even use the word "Spam", my company used it in a satirical banner and instantly got a letter from Hormel...
:-)
:-)
(hence my anoncoward login...)
We ceased the use of it (not worth the effort at the time), though we took note that "Spam spams Spammers Spam" would be a good description of the drama (or lack of).
They are sure to follow up with "the Troll", "the Programmer" and "the Software Engineer".
Good thing I will always be an "amateur professional programmer". It'd be hard to fit that on a backpack
kipling == computer illiterate
Kind of like "clueless", but more specific.
And the nice thing for them is: they certainly
already have products with the new word on
them!
wizard??! now that one is insulting...
2^5
It looks like the modeled thier stuff and ideas from the movie "Hackers". If they wanna know what a real hacker looks like, not a 5r1p+ k1dd13, look towards Linus, or Alan, Ken and Ritchie, or any of the other TRUE hackers.. not a bunch of crap ass Micky$oft, MSN, and AOL chatroom brawlers. Sickening.
.
I dunno.. Rob's Microsoft shirt only seems to have attracted Bill Gates..
Give our boys in blue a break. It's hard to run a
police state with that pesky constitution getting
in the way all the time.
----
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
If you wear a fanny pack -- check yourself.
Agreed.
I've tried a brute force crack using javascript in netscape, but it terribly slow... I guess it would have to be rewritten in C....and I'm too lazy too it...
Tester
Posted by Assmodeus:
ummm.... the word lame comes to mind when viewing that stupid ass site. THEY NAMED FUCKING BACKPACKS AFTER "HACKER" JARGON. someone please just shoot us all now.
Posted by DRemark:
:), but it's not exactly trivial. Especially considering that this comes at the end of Spring break, not the begniing. It's probably easier to go to one of the stores.
:)
See, I want the hat. Well, I've gotten started on it. The relevent part that's taking me some not insignificant time is the function "decodeURL," which is basically just a bunch of math.
Basically, what it does is takes two static lists of digits (lpd_code_1[] and lpd_code_2[]) and then does things with them and the loginpassword key from expandKey, which is just a a2i (ascii to
integer) conversion from what the person wrote.
It's not PGP
One cannot just substitute a local class (if that's even doable...) for decodeLP(this), which one kinda wants to return true, because it also needs to have a lp_this.href that gives the URL for the new document.
If I get it I'll post it, but only I get the hat. I'll probably quit right around the time I realized that I could be making $100 an hour consulting for companies who make stuff like this, and it's taking me many hours to get a $50 bag
I expect that it'll hit me soon after I quit, or I start writing a script to try everything.
PS: I don't think the system is robust enough - at first glance, it appears that it will give false positives, but return a 404. 64 characters max in the URL, also. Possibly 64 characters guarenteed. What do browsers do with trailing dots, spaces, returns or slashdots?
Posted by dhickman:
My god, I have finally seen a site that I hope ends up on 2600's Hacked sites list.
This is pathetic.
The scary thing is, I know of many people who believe in the stereotypes of a computer hacker. I almost lost a job once because I used the sentence, "I guess I will need to hack up some code."
How many of you had to explain to a PHB type, why your self taught skills are better than a recent college grad, or you say on an interview that you have been invololed with computers all of your life and they then proceed to ask you what job you gained this experience. My favorite one is...
PHB: I see that you have listed TCPIP as a skill
I can not seem to locate it in your resume where did you actually used it?
I usually refer them to my 4 years of Admin experience and then my other 10+ years of computer use. I then explain to them that in order to be a unix admin you have to use and understand tcpip completly. I then mark them in my consulting firms that can go to hell category.
-dhh
Posted by Doctor P:
:-)
It would be called the slashdot effect....it would be a big ass bag full of bricks that keeps knocking things down with it's amazing power
Posted by XIKinGIX:
hehe....k33p1n the war3z phr33 for all the l33ts in d4 hauZ!, LOL....i love my freinds at school when they brag about who kicked who of off aol, mabie i should show them a lesson with my 3r33t k-r4d l1nuX bawX
Posted by GrapefruitJuice:
How about suckers....
Posted by Benign_Cremator:
Forget the game. I wanna take that site down! Who's with me?
Posted by dhickman:
To be honest, it has been so long that I have had to configure a modem....
But then again, I reconfigured my quasi-router ( POS !!@#!@#$@# ) webramp today, NAT decided to die. I know linux will do that. But this was cheap and it has worked for 2 years without a flaw. Plus the multiple modem support is nice. I guess that makes me 31337!
Well you have to think of one thing. The media does read this page once in a while. I was watching CNN the other day and saw slashdot on there. I forgot what it was over but it was not linux related. So maybe some PHB figured out that if they pissed of a bunch of "Hackers" the 18 and under group would buy their backpacks and think they are cool. So they get free advertising. It does seem like the webpage targets that age group.
Laters
Posted by Nericus:
:)
Peoples, you don't need to learn Javascript. if you know C you should be able to translate it. I'll admit to being a Basic/Pascal loser (haven't had time/paitence/desire to learn C or Java) and I can pick out the basics, a simple brute force routine should suffice. It even gives you the lengths (16 Login 4 Pass) and the acceptable chars!
Posted by Doctor P:
Me being from the Banana Republic and our currency being in small marble sized balls. So we call them ball sacks. hehehe
Nah, PPP isn't that difficult. Just RTM. This newbie figured out how to do it without losing too many hairs. :)
From the OED:
hacking coat, jacket: a sports coat suitable for use when riding, often tailored in a tweed with vents at the side or at the back.
Hacking through the trees, I suppose, since I haven't seen RMS or ESR in one...
Here is the comment page for "what you think of Kipling".
Use it wisely folks. Don't just say "you suck." Explain yourself slowly and carefully.
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
Can't use God. That's reserved by us SysAdmins.
:)
-Erik
This has nothing to do with this at all, but Eric Raymond is right - there is a giant conspiracy of people named "Eric" (insert different spelling here) that tend to grow beards and use a *nix of some sort...
-Erik-
> can't anybody who reads this goddamn page take a fucking joke?
I suspect the experiance (read: trauma) of configuring PPP on Linux would leave just about anyone humourless...
...just venting my PPP gripe I've had a for a while. It's easily the worst thing that an average Linux user needs to do.
The third definition, the one that matches the Kipling useage, is said to be used within the MSN community: 3) verb, on The Microsoft Network, the term 'moof' has gained popularity as a verb meaning 'to be suddenly disconnected by the system'. One might say 'I got moofed'.
I doubt that anyone here would admit to having used it in that sense. ;-)
The "cue the foo posts in 3, 2, 1..." posts will commence with no subsequent foo posts in 3, 2, 1...
I second this motion! In fact, I think they should be "h4xX0r4t3d" by default. If you can't figure out your web browser, you're good for at least a little public humiliation.
Just another indication that marketeers don't have the brains God gave a little yellow crayon. This is just plain stupid. But it is nice to know that this type of marketing isn't only in the States. Though we prolly invented and fine-tuned it. More's the pity.
"shop smart:shop s-mart" ash
Yes he did . . . read about it. . .
INTERNATIONAL DATA ENCRYPTION ALGORITHM
The C source on this page looks very similar to the JS code on Kipling's site.
- Bunco
I looked at a couple of the bags and they had organiser pockets or something like that.
Organiser is not a word.
-Doug
Never heard of this company. I must be totally out of touch with today's fashion... Stuck in the days of Ralph Lauren and Nautica.
:)
Actually a friend of mine was in a club recently wearing a Microsoft T-shirt, and had an amazing number of women come up to him and ask what he did for a living.
I'm getting intrigued by the contest that they have posted there. Guess the username and password.
While that in and of itself seems rather dumb, take a look at the sourcecode.
It's all done in javascripting, including the comparison of the username/password.
I have very little experiance in Javascripting, but i'm going to spend some time trying to reverse engineer the thing! make a REAL hacking contest of it.
Hey, I'll buy a slashdot hat for anyone who can either figure out the username/password from the javascripting, or bypass the check completely.
If I get it I'll post it, but only I get the hat.
Just to clarify, I'm only offering the hat to the FIRST person to get it, and either post on slashdot, or e-mail me directly.
The login name is case sensitive (seperate codes for caps and lowercase)
It could be HackerCollection, HACKERCOLLECTION, hackercollection, or even HaCkErCoLlEcTiOn
Hmm...
We should get a bunch of those bags, and make a bitchin beowulf cluster.
Ah, but there's one flaw in your argument. The main reason most people didn't complain when "gay" morphed to mean "homosexual" is that we already had plenty of other words in the English language that mean "happy", so it wasn't a big loss.
:)
Unfortunately, as others have posted, there's no convenient replacement word for "hacker", so if we let it take on bad connotations, we'll have to find another term to describe ourselves. "Expert computer programmer" is just too long. "ECP" maybe?
-Jake
--
Jake
"Cracker" seems to be open now...
This is just one of the many sad examples of how pathetic the "fashion" industry can be.
:)
Take a look at some of those fashion shows on TV and you'll see more examples of people trying to cash in on the "hacker" phenomenon (really, hasn't the whole thing gone on for too long a while already?)
FYI: I first saw those bags at their store at one of the more expensive shopping malls in Hong Kong.
No, I didn't buy them - I'll stick to the Ralph Lauren backpacks thank you...
Aside: In reference to one of the posts - just exactly how far back do you have to go to draw the line between "old school" and 3l33t dUdes? (it just doesn't look right without 25x80 screen font...)
Maybe someone (I might, if sufficiently bored) should do a java program that displays Slashdot in "old school" ANSI... (If there's one around, tell me please?)
Speaking of hacking, just how well can a Linux PPP firewall box protect a win95 machine from the various "hacks" (e.g. ping flood?)?
Kill'em! Kill'em all!
darn that's fast...
)O(
the Gods have a sense of humor,
Never underestimate the power of stupidity
To err is human, to moo bovine
for fucking christ's sake. can't anybody who reads this goddamn page take a fucking joke? i mean, that fuckin page is _funny_. it _amuses_ me. it's a lame attempt at selling shitty backpacks. WHO FUCKING CARES. all i see in this fuckin "forum" is 16 year old socially-inept linux users who think they are the best fucking thing since indoor plumbing. how about you people get rid of your "i fucking rule because i installed redhat" attitude and take life a bit less seriously. you'll get through it a much happier individual.
-lqh
---
---
we stand in life at midnight, we are always on the threshold of a new dawn.
There is an organization to combat this misuse of 'hacker', the luggage has been known about for quite a while. Take a look at:
The Hacker Anti-Defamation League
Brian
No, they'll just think, "Cool! The web site is popular! We must have got it right!".
Bletch.
I think they're getting "hacker" confused with "cracker" most of the time. I say we kill it with the almighty Slashdot Effect! Let them all tremble at our might and magicks!
So, lets look at this from a cracker standpoint. 127 characters are allowed, 20 positions they could be in, which means there are only 2540 possibilities.
That makes it a trivial task to try every one of those keys, decode it with their script, and get the Url. Then you hit their server with the url, if it comes back 404 not found, too bad, but if it hits one of the two "winner" urls, I get a cookie. And a slashdot hat.
On my system, running at 300 mhz, it should take less than 20 minutes to go through all possible combinations. The hard part is writing code to do it, becuase I hate javascript with the passion of a thousand white-hot suns. Hm. Maybe I'll just do it in Perl.
There's probably an overt weakness in the encoding, too, but the cryptotext is the password itself, and I don't know either the plaintext or the cryptotext. Just the key. That makes it a bit more complicated.
More news to come...
Patrick N. Fitzgerald
Or maybe it could be a euphemism for a server being brought down (via cracker, slashdot effect, whatever) in a brutal and terrible manner because of the stupidity and banality of its content. Like "whoops... looks like after Rob put the story up, the server got kiplinged in 15 minutes."
heh.
And if we got a story posted on slashdot with the title "New jargon phrase" it would get snapped up by the big news sites. I like that idea. Of course, that's just my own little sadistic side. Death, pain and suffering to the infidels!
I would say, however, that its pretty damned likely that the username/passwd combo is based on dictionary words, since we're supposed to "guess the password". Running crack on it might be a good idea. :)
Or, there's always the "root the server" option.
And never underestimate the "torturing sales clerks" options. Like, for example, show up every day, look around, say "I'm just looking" for about an hour or two. Every day. Try on backpacks. Inspect wallets. Tell other customers just how shoddy the goods are. Sing show tunes, loud and off-key. None of it is strictly illegal, so I bet after a week or two of this, they'll break down. Oh yes, they'll break. {evil grin}
True crackers don't just use computers to gain access.
There's been alot of talk about /.'ing their server, but why don't we use the /. effect on their comment form - fill out the form, and in the "What could be improved?" box put something like this:
/.'ing them will just give them more hits and they will be able to sell more banner ads - go direct to the comment form at http://www.kipling.com/fun/guestbook.html
"Drop the Hacker line. It's just spreading the misrepresentation of the word hacker. Some of your gear isn't all that bad, but as long as it's under this label I won't buy it or anything else from your company."
Be truthful on all the info on the form so that they get the point and don't just erase all the responses dismissing them as we've so quickly dismissed "script kiddies".
Someone pointed out that
Just an idea...
my bike messenger bag has plenty of room for a laptop, an extra battery or two, plus an external zip drive, and it fits over my shoulder nicely... now, if i could only afford a new laptop...
j------
----- when the going gets weird, the weird turn pro -- Hunter S. Thompson
I like the Cyberpunk bag, I'd much prefer a backpack for my laptop and it's one of the better looking ones I've seen.
Hey if anything, putting a name on all these bags makes it easier to order 'em in if you were gonna be buying one.
I use 'moof' as an exclamation word. Not that it really means anything - it's a nonsense word. It is a stupid, but amusing, word that gets used on random aoccasions. And talking of stupid but amusing, that Kipling web site....
Who here has used the term to 'moof' when you get accidentally disconnected from the 'net?
Me neither. I think they pulled it out of their netherregions.
http://www.kipling.com/hacker/collection/moof.h
'Moof' is, in fact, a reference to Clarus the Dogcow. Duh.
http://developer.apple.com/dev/dts/dogcow.html
Idiots...
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
- Jeff
Yeah, they're particularly lame - I think we can see that.
:>
'Hackers' aside, what kind of crap do people use for the more utilitarian side of things? Like, my PalmIII has a nice leather case that I sometimes wear. I imagine if you have a laptop, there are numerous things you can do to strap it onto your body if you're taking it from place to place (I hate standard laptop carry-bags). I think I've seen some strap-on (hold the jokes, please) laptop bags that go on much like a backpack, but without the extra bulk.
I'd rather keep my hands free, if possible. Who caters to those who need to carry around a Powerbook or Libretto but don't want the standard carry-bag type setup?
Style doesn't matter, although black leather looks nice...
- Darchmare
- Axis Mutatis, http://www.axismutatis.net
- Jeff
Anyone notice the description for their "Chat"?
Description: Flat wallet for boy's pocket.
All that and no space for my Libretto!
Ok, it's been a while since I took combinatorics... but I'm pretty sure that it's 127 options for the first character, 127 options for the second character... etc until you get a total of 127^20 = a LOT more than 2540 possibilities.... or am I missing something here? Screw the brute force method - someone should just root the server. :-)
As someone else posted, the URL is http://www.kipling.com/hacker/game/login.html - does that help?
hacker luggage? huh? *scratches head* that has _got_ to be the dumbest fsck'ing thing i've ever heard of. the world would be a better place without humans fucking things up all the damned time.
"It's not a cookie, it's fruit and cake". *grin*
the amazing bc
just another guy doing IT
webnaut, music junkie, holes-in-head
and btw... the best piece of luggage for your average-every-day (*grin*) hacker is my personal favourite, the stainless steel briefcase. makes ya look like you are carrying a bomb.
the amazing bc
just another guy doing IT
webnaut, music junkie, holes-in-head
The web page says the login is 16 characters and the password is 4. Shouldn't this make brute-forcing it fairly viable?
-Ragnarok
Search first, ask questions later.
sorry, duh you meant 73 possible characters, not 73 characters long... sorry.
-Ragnarok
Search first, ask questions later.
fanny n. (pl -ies)
1. Brit. coarse sl. the female genitals.
2. US. sl. Buttocks
And when will Americans realise that the entire rest of the English speaking world have an entirely different definition of the word "Fanny"?
Oh well at least it keeps me vaguely amused.
The more I learn about the Internet, the more amazed I am that it works at all.
The tests are on lines 483 and 489, testing strings built on lines 461 and 462 based on the current contents of lpd_code_1 and lpd_code_2.
Which looks hard to figure out, but isn't. Just write a simple page, use:
<form name=backdoor>
<textarea wrap=virtual name=showme rows=70 cols=50></textarea>
</form>
to write a text area, open up a script below that, paste in lines 304-458 and get rid of line 440 from their script (that is put in all of the code relevant to creating those arrays) and then read it into that text-area with:
resultstring = "";
for (index = 0; index < 64; index++) {
resultstring += "" + index + "\t" + lpd_code_1[index] + "\t" + lpd_code_2[index] + "\n";
}
document.forms.backdoor.showme.value = resultstring;
and you get the contents of those codes. Now try to figure out what you need to build "http://" and you quickly find that the fscking idiots forgot to include ascii character 112 (and even 80) so there is no "p" (or "P" in case IE forgets that it is supposed to be case-sensitive) so there is no way to build that string.
In other words there *IS* no name/password combination that will work.
How lame can you get?
Ben
My usual seat in the cluetrain is at A HREF="http://pub4.ezboard.com/biwethey.ht
Missed the swap_index depending on lpd_key.
The contents of those arrays depends on the password's expanded form in a non-trivial way.
Brute force looks simplest.
Ben
My usual seat in the cluetrain is at A HREF="http://pub4.ezboard.com/biwethey.ht
Irregardless is the combination of an english word, regardless with a relevant prefix, ir. Thus it is an english word. The creation of a word conforming to the rules of English (thus an English word, whether it's in Websters or not. I'd be surprised if it weren't in Webster's come to think of it) and the evolution (bastardization?) of a term are two totaly different things.
ESR wrote the book (literally!) on this.
:/
Tell everyone to look at the Hacker Dictionary, volume II. Or view it online by looking for "jargon file".
'nuff said.
This is just more food for ZDNet to use.
--
The people who define the usage of a word are the "owners". Ok, what's a lift?
For instance, if my mom and her friends started calling cheese graters "floppy drives" that doesn't make it right. But if everyone else started calling cheese graters floppy drives you would be the one who was an idiot for still calling them cheese graters, as you would not be speaking the same language.
(is "flurb" a correct usage here just because I used it?) No, because no one else understands what you mean.
Just go to login.html instead of index!
NOPE!
I just got an email! Their sending me a bag!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
The definition of the word has not changed (at least not per se). It merely has developed a -really bad- stereotype. For example, let's take the word "communist" for those of you who lived through the Reagan era here in the US. What did "communist" mean back then? Did it mean "a person belonging to a political party that strives for equality of the working class by means of community wealth and shared means of production"? Or... did it mean "those godless bastards that want to enslave our children and take away the world's freedom"?
Imagine yourself as a communist living in the US during that era. You don't have any problem with families or religion, and wonder why the word you use to describe yourself has become so profaned in the last five decades.
There are lots of other stereotypes that could be drawn based on what a person calls himself or herself, but that doesn't excuse the fact. We, those who consider ourselves "hackers" really, honestly DO NOT like to be thought of as "a malicious computerexpert (sic) who breaks the security of computer-systems (sic) not to steal or destroy sensitive information but mostly just for the kick." It was our word first, just like "communist" belonged to the communists first.
If you agree with me, join the Hacker Anti-Defamation League. If you don't, I honestly feel sorry for someone so narrow-minded.
The following sentence is true.
The previous sentence is false.
Pining for the days when The Glorious MEEPT!!! graced SlapDash with his wisdom.
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Do I make myself clear?
The following sentence is true.
The previous sentence is false.
Pining for the days when The Glorious MEEPT!!! graced SlapDash with his wisdom.
It's already been done... many years ago. A card with a boy asking a girl, "Do you like Kipling?" Her reply: "I don't know, you naughty boy, I've never kippled!"
* SIGBUS can't remember where he saw it, but it was in print somewhere...
--
Oh, no! You have walked into the slavering fangs of a lurking grue!
Kipling - [n] Some(one, thing) that tries to leech of a culture without being a part of said culture.
You don't exist. Go away. --SysVinit Halt
Sort of the Bastard Operators combat vest?
Emp shielded pockets, hidden capacitors wired into
the cuffs for those friendly handshakes.
Plenty of spacious pockets for all your needful tools and toys.
Made from durable spiderweave armor to resist letter opener to the ribs from vengeful users.
And of course the camel w/ straw a'la stillsuit for that emergency supply of your favorite caffeine.
Dang me, I think you have something here!
~Grell
It was a typical net.exercise -- a screaming mob pounding on a greasy
spot on the pavement, where used to lie the carcass of a dead horse.
...when it gets down to fundamentals, do what you have to do and shed no tears. Dr. Matson in Tunnel in the Sky
If so, I have to argue that common usage means a heck of a lot. Everything, in fact, because language is generally about communicating meaning in a consistent and reliable fashion. "Languages" are also, as I understand this from my linguist friend, defined in part by their capacity to change. A language that doesn't change from time to time for whatever reason is, by that definition, dead.
In the 23rd century, maybe they will be calling cheese graters floppy drives for some crazy reason, and if saying "floppy drive" to a reasonably acculturated person chosen at random on the street makes them think of shredded cheese, well, guess what? "Floppy drive" will have come to mean a thing that you use to grate cheese.
In this case, I think we have to acknowledge that the word hacker is no longer owned by hackers because it has passed into common parlance.
With all that said, here are two reasonable representations of "common usage":
From Merriam-Webster Online:
Main Entry: hacker
Pronunciation: 'ha-k&r
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : one that hacks
2 : a person who is inexperienced or unskilled at a particular activity
3 : an expert at programming and solving problems with a computer
4 : a person who illegally gains access to and sometimes tampers with information in a computer system
I don't think there's an organization in the United States that could lay valid claim to canonical authority, considering the plethora of conflicting style-guides and so on. In this case, though, I think most would agree that Meriam-Webster is certainly respectable, and could lay claim to having their finger on the pulse of common usage. Unfortunately, the Oxford English Dictionary isn't available for online perusal, because they could lay claim to representing the parent dialect.
But what the M/W definition represents is a marginal victory for hackers of the benign variety, as does this one, from the Wordsmyth English Dictionary and Thesaurus:
hacker
SYL: hack-er
PRO: hae kEr
POS: noun
DEF: (informal) 1. a computer programmer who is expert at correcting programs, and who is perceived as an obsessive or reclusive person devoted solely to computers.
DEF: 2. a computer user who is able to penetrate carefully protected computer networks, such as those of a government.
In both definitions, we see both definitions living side by side, with an edge in precedence given to the more benign variety of "hacker."
I'm curious, by the way, what you call the American Civil War. Here in Virginia, some of the locals still call it something other than the Civil War, and they, since they're the descendents of the ones who rebelled and even started the armed hostilities, ought, following your logic, to be the ones who get to decide what it's called. That's a perogative most textbooks written to sell in California and Texas (which is to say "most textbooks") deny them.
I guess I'm just fine with everyone thinking "hacker" means vandal, anyhow. It doesn't change what I do one bit, which lately involves hacking on a nasty bit of proprietary software at work that made the mistake of using .dbf files even as the marketing droids try to sell us a multi-$1000 "conversion package." No coding is involved, just widespread spoofing of some indexes the designers must have thought others would be too dense to find. When I'm done, the taxpayers around here will have saved thousands of bucks, instructions on how to do what I did will be sent to other customers of the company that inflicted the horrible blob of code on us all, and I will remain a "non hacker" because there aren't any around here to confer the honor, which I understand is one of ESR's requirements for the title.
Guess I'll just have to wait for a local certification board to form.
I'll also wait to call what I'm doing "a hack," because that would upset the boss. I'll just call it "flurbing" and tell him it's a geek word for using something for other than its intended purpose.
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"A horse laugh is worth a thousand syllogisms"
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"A horse laugh is worth a thousand syllogisms"
Jeez, not one piece of luggage called a multiplexer. Not even a piece called cache or register or kernel or packet. And why the **** would I want to buy a bag called a "guru?"
Are we now getting to the point where the fashion of the geek scene becomes that important?
Finding God in a Dog
Can't use God. That's reserved by us SysAdmins.
-Erik
There are always four sides to every story: your side, their side, the truth, and what really happened.
Of course that is important. However, you know you're not supposed to discuss this in an open forum. Smoke-filled rooms, only.
Didn't you get your Official Eric Conspiracy Kit(tm) in the mail?
-Erik (the one, true way to spell it.)
There are always four sides to every story: your side, their side, the truth, and what really happened.
It looks like Slashdot may have taken down this site already. Bravo. I can't get their server to transfer more than part of the HTML headers on any of their pages. I'm glad I saw this before it died. Yeah, these guys would have done well to take a quick look at the Jargon file. It isn't like it is very hard to find.
adam
Would you do it for some scoobie crack?
There is no "C"-specific code. C++ is a superset of C. Backwards compabtability with C was one of C++ design goals.
--Ivan, weenie NT4 user, Jon Katz hater: bite me!
--weenie NT4 user: bite me!
"Computers are nothing but a perfect illusion of order" -- Iggy Pop
Seems like that is really what is going on here.
They're just trying to sell backpacks.
Good ploy, tho. Probably will trick lots of kiddies into buying back packs. Or rather, have their parents buy them one.
Hehehehe.
This sig is false.
Maybe this would motivate you all to create an account.
At least this way you might not get filtered out as an ac. *shrug*
This sig is false.
That would just be further motivation NOT to log in.
Sounds good to me :p
Anyway, seriously. I don't really have a huge problem with ac posts. I choose not to filter them out, even tho most of them just add noise.
This would at least be an option for you ac's who want to post but don't want to be filtered out. You could be translated and just snickered at.
Point is, don't expect to be taken seriously unless you put your name behind something. I'm not filtering ac's now, but if things don't clean up a bit, I might. *shrug*
What is worse, being filtered out or being laughed at?
This sig is false.
The point is no one is really "standing" behind their posts here, we gain no security, there is NO BENEFIT to forced logins--so why do we have them?
If you will recall, never did I suggest that you HAD to get a login. As a matter of fact, I even pointed out that I don't filter you idiots out. Yet.
The benefit of having a login is that fools who would normaly post mindless crap might worry a bit more about their reputation. Also, we can much more easily ignore posts by people who do have a login but who post crap (ie MEEPT. And you can't tell me the reason he/she/it didn't leave was because we could all ignore him/her/it).
So you don't want a login. Fine. I'm not going to loose any sleep over it, but I would still like to be able to translate you into 31137 script. At least it would make me laugh. And I wouldn't have to filter you out.
This sig is false.
How does a login help this? Just change your login from time to time. It just makes it more troublesome, that's it.
Well, I guess you are right. There is no real way to stop your stupid posting but filter out all ac's.
You are still missing the point here. Hoping that a translation feature will encourage people to get a login is secondary. I just pointed out that it would be funny. If you are scared that people wont take you seriously, that is your problem. Not everyone has to use the translations. The only people who will use it are the ones who wouldn't take you seriously anyway.
This sig is false.
howabout a way to set all ac posts as being displayed in that 3133+ script. that would be hillarious.
it would be even less reason to take them seriously.
This sig is false.
Well, I'm interested in this (even though I've got three postponed midterms tomorrow). So I've modified the Javascript so that it searches the keyspace of the "password" field until it matches "http://" as the first seven characters of either decoded array. At that point, it puts both the key and the resultant URL in text boxes and keeps looking until it's exhausted the keyspace.
;) I'm using Tim Pierce's suggestion of "hackercollection" as the login, so I only have to work with the password.
The character set I'm using consists of ASCII 32-126, inclusive. Anything else would be hell to type in on the keyboard.
Yes, it's slow. Yes, it's inefficient. But I've just gotten the partial C translation from Tester's post, and I'm going to work on putting all of this in good ol' C.
If this particular search doesn't work, I can just modify the schtuff to additionally search the "login" keyspace. But I _really_ don't wanna do that... (14 more characters to deal with! ACK!)
If I find anything, I'll post again to this thread...
Good luck, everyone!
--W
-W-
Is it all journey, or is there landfall?
--Ellison & van Vogt, 'The Human Operators'
i love all the kids that call themselves hackers because they've downloaded AOHell or one of those little win32 apps that writes a figlet to a chatroom. i think the average person doesn't have any real idea of what a hacker looks like, music listened too, etc... just that being a hacker is bad. people use the term like 'web','multimedia', and 'dynamic'; they have no idea what they're talking about, but it makes them sound smart to all of their idiot friends and co-workers.
'this warez site made with microsoft frontpage.'
Yeah, I looked at it. I know C/C++ but have never seen javascript before in my life. It looks like it would be pretty simple to translate into C and then do a brute force search. But I have real work to do.... OK, I admit, I'm procrastinating right now, but I can only procrastinate for so long. :(
--Artemisia
Hey dude,
Don't know about you, but when the authorities are on you, you cooperate. Period. I'm not sure if you're aware of it, but people do get busted for something as "stupid" as ignoring a police officer. Guess it must depend on the mood of the officer.
On the topic of "probable cause", the officer's probable cause is what he or she believes may have been a crime committed recently or if there is the posibility of a crime being committed. If they think you robbed a store, they'll question you. If they think you're resisting them, prepare for a bad day.
And yes, it DOES suck that "hacker" has been poisoned by the media, by that stupid movie, and by people who don't understand. But it IS poisoned. And if for those who want to go out there and fight the mob effect, go right ahead. Chances are, you're better off looking for a new banner to ride under in the public eye.
Just because you think you have rights, doesn't mean you will always have access to them. Your right to freedom, to live, to life. It can all be taken away as easily as someone getting shot. Mistaken. Stabbed in the back. Or just thanks to ill-meant clerical errors.
Yeah, people have rights. But unless you believe 100% that whomever it is who's denying you your rights will respect you, be they cops, thugs, or the media, you will be up for a fight.
If you're the kind of person who fights for their beliefs and rights, my hat goes off to you. That is by far a much braver thing than I can afford to do.
- Wing
- Reap the fires of the soul.
- Harvest the passion of life.
- Wing
- Reap the fires of the soul.
- Harvest the passion of life.
Hmmm ... perhaps it is similar to Finlandization? (Though stockholm is not in Finland, it is in Sweden). Finlandization was a term during the cold war for "friendly" countries which deferred to the Soviet Union on some issues out of fear of invasion or other retaliation. For example, Russians escaping to Finland were ruitinely sent back to Russia, so much so that the border between the USSR and Finland wasn't particularly well garded, unlike other "iron curtain" frontiers elsewhere in Europe. I took it to mean "selling out some of your basic values for a little short-term security." Perhaps the meaning has different historical roots than Finlandization -- anyone have a more definitive answer?
The Future of Human Evolution: Autonomy
Please correct me if I am wrong, but a glance at this code seems to look like a simple Xor.
P ^ Key = C;
C ^ Key = P;
So all one has to do is figure out the length of the key. There is a method to do that called counting coincidences (breifly explained in Applied Cryptography, a wonderfull book). Then shift the ciphertext, C, by the length of the Key and you effectivly have P ^ (P shifted the length of Key). With this infomation (ASCII ^ ASCII), we should significantly reduce the possible choices and be able to pick the correct plaintext, P.
Or not. Maybe I'm just tired....or missing something. I'll look in to it tomorrow after class if no one has figured it out by then.
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Four years in jail
No Trial, No Bail
*** FREE KEVIN ***
New worlds are not born in the vacuum of abstract
ideas, but in the fight for daily bread --Rudolf Rocke
paraphasing/quoting from Applied Cryptography (pp 14-15) (NOTE: this example is random Key XOR'd against ASCII text, this is different then the percentages for this contest. This also assumes that the key is small.) 1) Discover the length of the key using process known as counting coincidences. XOR the cyphertext against itself shifted various numbers of bytes and count those bytes that are equal. If the displacement is a multiple of the Key length then > 6% of the bytes are equal. If it is not a multiple then less then 0.4 % are equal. This is called then index of coincidence. Take you smallest displacment (the one w/ greater then 6%), this is the number we want for step 2 2) Shift the ciphertext by that length and XOR it with itself. This removes the key and leaves you with plaintext XOR'd with the plaintext shifted the lenght of the key (the number we found). 3) The fun part. English has 1.3 bits of real information per byte, so there is plenty of redundancy in order to find the exact plaintext. Remember we are only dealing with ASCII here. The percentages are different, but the concepts are the same. Thanks Mr. Schneier!!!
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Four years in jail
No Trial, No Bail
*** FREE KEVIN ***
New worlds are not born in the vacuum of abstract
ideas, but in the fight for daily bread --Rudolf Rocke
paraphasing/quoting from Applied Cryptography (pp 14-15)
(NOTE: this example is random Key XOR'd against ASCII text, this is different then the percentages for this contest. This also assumes that the key is small.)
1) Discover the length of the key using process known as counting coincidences.
XOR the cyphertext against itself shifted various numbers of bytes and count those bytes that are equal.
If the displacement is a multiple of the Key length then > 6% of the bytes are equal.
If it is not a multiple then less then 0.4 % are equal.
This is called then index of coincidence. Take you smallest displacment (the one w/ greater then 6%), this is the number we want for step 2
2) Shift the ciphertext by that length and XOR it with itself. This removes the key and leaves you with plaintext XOR'd with the plaintext shifted the lenght of the key (the number we found).
3) The fun part.
English has 1.3 bits of real information per byte, so there is plenty of redundancy in order to find the exact plaintext.
Remember we are only dealing with ASCII here. The percentages are different, but the concepts are the same. Thanks Mr. Schneier!!!
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Four years in jail
No Trial, No Bail
*** FREE KEVIN ***
New worlds are not born in the vacuum of abstract
ideas, but in the fight for daily bread --Rudolf Rocke
how about /.er?
We all obviously qualify for it now, and it has no mainstream definition yet.
Yeah, but it's just a mailto form. Won't put much of a load on their server, but it didn't stop me from telling them how much they sucked...
Hmmm, well, should of figured it would happen sometime but hmm, this is just a little lame for my tastes. But hey, this shows what their target age audience is.
They also have a fine collection of movies that I'm not going to bother wasting my bandwidth to download..
Oh well.
Perhaps a more ironic way to for us to get back is to mount a campaign to get the word 'Kipling' brought into general use as a euphemism for something - perhaps some foul sexual act:
"I was going to hire him yesterday, but then I caught him kipling with a sheep in the yard..."
I would imagine it would be easy to get it in common usage.. just tell a few braindead media types that its official "hacker jargon".!
*--BigMan--- Time flies like an arrow.. but personally I prefer a nice glass of wine!
I really believe this is too fucking stupid.
After the movie Hackers every fucking soul on the face on the planet has this huge misinterpritation. At school the other day there were a couple chicks who thought I was cool based on the fact I claimed to be a hacker. Since when do I break into systems? Jesus Christ. Time for a little revolution!
-Kp2
Eat my butt
Sheesh... what a load of crap. I downloaded a couple of those .mov files (after I "hacked" the sourcecode since I don't have a Quicktime plug-in for HP-UX), and talk about garbage. A bunch of blurry camera panning around New York city or some other concrete jungle.
What's the commercial world coming to? Naming BACKPACKS after "firewalls" and other computer terms?????!!!
Anyway, all of the "hackers" (actors) look more like slackers from a SURGE!!!!! commercial. Yeah, they're c00l d00dz!!
Pinball, arcade video, tech and more: www.micsaund.com
This has got to be the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Yeah, I have to agree with the fact that this is for the 12-14 year old script kiddies.
Personally, I get my backpacks and other such storage gear at camping stores, probably much higher quality equipment and no stupid marketing schemes. I like my day pack, balanced like an internal frame pack, can accept an internal frame, 40 Liters of space, came with a Platypus (more commonly known as a Camel back sans insulation, so I get 2.5 liters of pure hydrating enjoyment), and it is also a technical bag, so it does what I need it to. Features like this are pretty common in most backpacks you find in camping stores. Backpacks like mine are also really comfortable, easier to carry and a lot more rugged (tear resistant fabrics).
You know, this really parallels M$ vs. Linux...
Backpacks for the Outdoors vs bags based on a stupid marketing scheme.... Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
ph43drus
I like this. It would have to be an option, of course. Or, may be be able to choose a language to be translated into with babelfish. Or that site that translates into jive, pig-latin, or whatever...
Hmmm... I think their definition of the word Wizard leaves much to be desired. It should not be associated with those solly and annoying config-thingies that MS software has, but rather the definition of wizard as found in the Jargon File. To wit:
Wizard: 1. A person who knows how a complex piece of software or hardware works (that is, who groks it); esp. someone who can find and fix bugs quickly in an emergency. 2. A person who is permitted to do things forbidden to ordinary people; one who has wheel privileges on a system. 3. A Unix expert, esp. a Unix systems programmer. This usage is well established enough that `Unix Wizard' is a recognized job title at some corporations and to most headhunters.
(some bits trimmed for brevity)
This happened to me.
There is one small kid in my school, he's only in the year below me, but we can use him as an arm rest.
Now I'm responible for our school website, running on a Debian box (or it was then). So there I am, mucking around with the internals of this box (literally, with a soldering iron on the modem) when this bloke comes up to me and starts mouthing off about how good he is at hacking.
Now he shows me a document he "supposedly" lifted from an MI5 server over here in the UK. Like hell he did, because it was from is dad's buisness, but I couldn't be bothered to tell him that.
Now he has to take the p*** because he can't outsmart me.
~Linux is not The Answer. Yes is the answer. Linux is The Question.
Since I spent a long time trying to bang out a sufficient explanation of why these guys SUCKED, only to have them tell ME that MY default mail client was not installed properly...
I assume by "adres" you mean "address"? At any rate, your "hacker" line is exceptionally poorly thought out. You misrepresent the true "hacker" and place us all in the guise of a 15 year old kid sending crappy script to other idiot kids to wreck their machines. Where is the skill, the sense of discovery, the power of the true hacker. By the way, I congratulate you on making a page totally useless in Netscape AND IE...
Oh well, no one there will ever read it, oh well.
I like music
As if hax0rs buy clothes anyway.. I apply the same theory to clothing that I do to wine and cigars..
Any person less than 10 years old would know that people who like to breake into other computers will not use bags.
Also, most teens(who use IRC) know that a nuke is an ICMP bomb or an attack on special ports in Windows
Everyone knows what a hacker is: it's a person who defeats computer security systems. Everyone knows what a cracker is: it's a person who defeats computer copy protection schemes. Maybe a long time ago these words meant something different, but half the words in the English language once meant something different. Words mean what the majority of the people say they mean. Get over it!
if anyone manages to crack the "logon" and "password" (nice theme), why not spread it around so's we can all get loot? Show them what "hackers" can do. They practically invite it.
-Smitty
± 29 dB
Yep folks, that's right. He told me himself, well, I suppose he just referred to himself as a 'hacker'. When I attempted to pick his brain about linux I promptly got stuffy, vague replies saying that I would probably have to do a lot of 'hacking' to get linux running. Then he was just not interested enough in talking to me, so he ditched our conversation. Well, my linux is up and running (PPC rev4, kernel 2.1.125, Hummin'!). How 'bout you Katz?
"You're not putting the bad word on that machine are you?" ~The Man ~The Man
Damn... and I thought I was unlucky when I and my car were searched for not having insurance. Of course, maybe here in Detroit the cops are a little overcautious, eh?
I imagine that most "hacking gear" would be purchased at the surplus stores. It may not have "Abercrombie" plastered all over it, but who gives a damn? Besides, it's dirt cheap and lasts forever.
This crap is the same thing as my Jansport bag. Instead of a rugged tree-hugging image, somebody simply sews on a label to booksacks and fanny packs and trys to pawn it off as warez.
Better watch for them to trademark those terms next.
yeah... it was pretty dippy if you ask me.
more "see i'm cool to" kiddie stuff.
"Computers will never truly be free until the last windows user is strangled with the entrails of the last mac user."
well...
look on the bright side..
... at least they are getting oob'd =)
"Computers will never truly be free until the last windows user is strangled with the entrails of the last mac user."
this would be funny as hell if i didn't know there was people on irc saying that exact thing. =(
"Computers will never truly be free until the last windows user is strangled with the entrails of the last mac user."
uh we Candadians know what that means to..
and i'm sure the barbarians just south of us do it.
I imagine they find it funny to.
"Computers will never truly be free until the last windows user is strangled with the entrails of the last mac user."
The trick is to idendify yourself as a "Old school" (do not mistake this with "01d 5k3w1").
... most of the time they think you are even more elite =(
Sometimes it works
bah! i gotta admit, i don't want to change the word, its like not calling americans americans because most people think of fat buys with beer watching football.
"Computers will never truly be free until the last windows user is strangled with the entrails of the last mac user."
HOLY SHIT!
that means by friends fat beer drink lazy belchin porn watchin security guard is PART OF THE A SECRET PLAN!
Dammit! I've been mistaken all these years... damn hes clever pretending to be a fat loser...
damn him...
"Computers will never truly be free until the last windows user is strangled with the entrails of the last mac user."
It's a dirty job, but SOMEBODY has to do it.
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Bill Gates Is My Evil Twin.
Hay C is still _very_ sexy.
"Yuk doesn't Belive in Pleasure......only pain"
How about a non-kipling?
Just my 1/50 of a dollar
"Yuk doesn't Belive in Pleasure......only pain"
You can't... the page has suffered the mighty blow of /. effect. No recovery is possible :)
"Yuk doesn't Belive in Pleasure......only pain"
So, they take a line of luggage that they already had, randomly applied words that are usually associated with computers and now its HackerGear? I think i'm missing something here. Yay, i can get a spam backback.. but, why would I want one? Should I walk up to my friends and say "hey, check this bag out, its a spam". I think somebody in the design department of this company wasn't thinking when this line was designed. We're past the point where anything related to computers will sell (notice the decline in computer related movies since 1995). If you're going to make a line of "hacker" clothing, at least make it semi-useful to computer users - otherwise I'll just buy a $15 backpack at walmart.
All I have to say is this: BWA HAH HAH HAH!!! I don't think I've seen anyone dressed like that, much less those "hackers."
If you think you know what the hell is going on you're probably full of shit. -- Robert Anton Wilson
jdube is who
This is ooooooooooooooooooooold
-- unix is for people without a social life - Patrick van Eijk
Yes it should...
This looks suspiciously like either RC4 or RC5
to me. Maybe even blowfish. I've read the source
for the latter 2 (don't think I've seen RC4) and
the presence of PI and the xor-swapping looks
like a known fast symmetric cipher system,
probably one of the 3 (i'll hit dejanews in the
sci.crypt archives to figure out which...).
There might be a known-plaintext attack if we can
establish which algorithm is being used.. If so
brute force would be way too much work.
l8r
roundeye
"Cause there's 40 different shades of black, so many fortresses and ways to attack, so why you complainin'?"
I took a look around to see if I could find a
description of their "encryption" system (on the
game page) and was able to determine that it's
not RC4, RC5, RC6, blowfish, twofish, IDEA (and
it's not any S-box based cipher like DES).
I started taking apart the code and determined
that it's really a fairly simple algorithm (so
simple that it's not covered in _Applied
Cryptography_ as far as I can tell) but
complicated enough to be troublesome. The
encryption key is generated through a simple
one-way hash function which is just a slight
modification of a modular random number
generator. The actual "decryption" just does
repeated swaps and xors of the data based on
the key.
Here's how the algorithm works:
1 - get the username and password from the page
2 - generate a key from the username/password
pair using an algorithm close to a modular
random number generator:
a - start with a "seed" of PI (3.14159265...)
b - compute the next value from the generator
by multiplying the previous value (or seed)
by the current username character, adding the
current password character and then taking the
result mod 256 to keep the range between 0 &
255.
c - increment the current username and password
characters. if the password character is past
the end then wrap it back to 0 (so it's used
four times)
d - take the number generated and store it in
the next available position in the key array.
3 - now that we have the key we do the "decryption" of the hardcoded strings initialized
in "lpd_code_1" and "lpd_code_2" -- evidently
there are TWO sets of username password pairs.
One decrypts "lpd_code_1" and the other "lpd_code_2". This means that on login.html
they ask you the username/password used to verify
that you didn't cheat and to see if you should
get a blue bag or a yellow one (marketing fsckers).
Anyway, the decryption goes like this:
0 - step through the key and the encoded string
one character at a time, backwards (no reason
to do this backwards but to be obscure -- or
to reverse the encryption method which went
forwards...)
1 - swap the current string character with the
character named by the current key byte (mod
64 to keep things in bounds) -- or the next
one if we would be swapping the byte with itself
this piece of swapping code is:
lpd_code_1[index] = lpd_code_1[index] ^
lpd_code_1[swap_index];
lpd_code_1[swap_index] = lpd_code_1[index] ^ lpd_code_1[swap_index];
lpd_code_1[index] = lpd_code_1[swap_index] ^ lpd_code_1[index];
lpd_code_2[index] = lpd_code_2[index] ^ lpd_code_2[swap_index];
lpd_code_2[swap_index] = lpd_code_2[index] ^ lpd_code_2[swap_index];
lpd_code_2[index] = lpd_code_2[swap_index] ^ lpd_code_2[index];
which is just an obfuscated swap of the two
characters.
2 - xor the (now swapped) character at the
current string position with the character
at the current key position.
4 - finally, just check if the decryption computed
starts with 'http://'
The encryption algorithm is reversible -- just
reverse the order of swaps and xors -- but it
isn't symmetric (i.e., the encryption algorithm
is different from the decryption algorithm).
It doesn't look easily invertible either --
that is it would be hard to find the key which
generates the encryption from known plaintext
(URL) to known cryptotext. If it is invertible
then finding the key would allow focusing on
just inverting or bruteforcing the key generation
hash algorithm.
Since the algorithm, apart from xoring, doesn't
use a uniform permutation method I would go out
on a limb a bit and say that there are a number
(i.e., a lot) of keys which generate the correct
URL. The nature of the password hash makes me
think there are even more username/password
combo's which generate usable keys, but we're
still likely talking about an immense number of
username/password combos to check. Also, most
of those keys would lie outside the valid
character set.
This means a dictionary attack is most likely
to be effective unless someone can invert
the key generation function (not likely).
Of course cracking the server is easier.
(I don't at all recommend going to their
store as they suggest -- where's the glory
in that?)
disclaimer: this is analysis by a complete
armchair hack and would be blown away under
any consideration by the real crypto folk
with any number of serious techniques.
hope this helps...
"Cause there's 40 different shades of black, so many fortresses and ways to attack, so why you complainin'?"
well, ok brute force isn't the way to go (though
dictionary may still be viable).
if they are allowing 73 characters to be typed
(I believe that's what I'm counting in their
code) then there are:
73^16*73^4 = 73^20 > 2^124
That means that breaking it by brute force is
as for all practical purposes as hard as breaking
128 bit encryption by brute force.
Has anyone tried sucking down all the words off
their site to use as a seed for a dictionary
search? I bet the answer is there (you may
have to concatenate and permute their hacker
terms for the login name)....
"Cause there's 40 different shades of black, so many fortresses and ways to attack, so why you complainin'?"
it's not even as complex as IDEA
really just a kind of permutation with
an xoring of the key. the key is generated
as a hash based on pi and the username/password
"Cause there's 40 different shades of black, so many fortresses and ways to attack, so why you complainin'?"
Not necessarilly, they are just assuming that there are enough people of sub-rock IQ to make some money off of it. Now ethics on the other hand...
I'll never make that mistake again, reading the experts' opinions. - Feynman
score another one for the marketing folks. how do you think Chuck D feels when he sees a mother of 2 from Kansas *rapping* about breakfast cereals?
Come ON! Out of the 10,000 people who have read this article, no one has found the username and password? I find that very hard to believe. It has to be something completely insanely easy, right?
-S
Scott Ruttencutter
viper21@ia.net
We Apprentice Developers and Designers
The correct term for Hacker is of corse hobbyist. Sort of anyway. People who call there jobs "Hobbys" are hackers. Calling a writer a hack is an insult suggesting the writer is only a hobbyist and not making money. Truck drivers call themselfs hackers. And of course there are ski hackers.
The incorrect use of the term came from a late 1970s news report about a computer 'hacker' who broke into some computer systems. In that news report the word was used correctly to mean hobbyist but people not knowing what a hacker was took it to mean a computer criminal. The term stuck to spite real hackers fighting to maintain the correct terminology.
The terminology rift still exists to this day. In technology, sports, writing, and other fealds that have 'hackers' the term remains true but outside that say your a hacker and people think your a criminal.
"Surfing" the web has a more innocent sorce. Rember channel surfing with a TV remote control?
I don't actually exist.
If this isn't a joke, I'm gonna puke. From the looks of the page though, it's intended to be dorky and stereotypical of the movie "hackers." I mean, who in their right mind would buy a "wannabee" backpack? Sometimes, it's just best to sit back and laugh...
fanny means ass in the US too. that is indeed its only meaning according to my dictionary. Americans are just less formal and reserved? what do brits call those small packs that go around your waist and ride above your ass, then?
oh. Thanks.
Wow. More tragic than the IBM hacker dood/hacker chick commercial.
One has to wonder if Rob would've found it as amusing if they sold a fanny-pack called The Slashdot...
"Hey! That guru moofed my cookies!"
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2B1ASK1
Yeah buddy, just wait until we meet in a dark alley. We'll see who's laughing then, ne?
AS
-AS
*Pikachu*
Hacksploitation: A genre of movies which exploit hacker culture -- by analogy to "Blacksploitation" movies of the seventies (e.g. Super Fly, Shaft).
-bonkydog
Quid rides? Mutato nomine de te fabula narratur. -Horace, Satirae
That script is a bit on the annoying side...
:-)
As far as I can tell, here's how it works. (note, i dont know java or javascript all that well, so be nice)
First off, there's two possible valid logon/pwd combos.
It takes the logon/password you enter, passes it to a function called decodeURL. That function passes them to expandKey which creates a 64 byte array. The array is made by this code bit:
for (lpk_index = 0; lpk_index 64; lpk_index++) {
lpk_tmp = ( (lpk_tmp * a2i(lpk_login.substr (lpk_index % 16,1)) ) + a2i(lpk_passwd.substr(lpk_index % 4,1)) ) % 256;
lpk_key[lpk_index] = lpk_tmp;
}
lpk_tmp starts out as = Math.PI . lpd_key is the array that gets returned.
This key gets returned. Then there's a loop that goes backwards down the key and uses that and those huge lists of numbers. Those numbers (stored in lpd_code_1 and lpd_code_2) get swapped around by the code and the code key. They are really ascii codes for characters. Using this wacky arsed swap stuff, it builds a URL in both of those at the same time. Only one would be valid, so it checks to see which one starts with "http://" before passing it to the browser.
Easiest way to crack would be brute force. Reverse engineering it doesn't really strike me as possible, since there's an unholy number of potential combos.. Anything you put in the logon/password would create a string there, but not every one would make a URL.
However, you do know a bunch of stuff already.
First, the 2 correct combos will be real words and so on. They wouldn't make it gibberish.
Second, the URL probably points to a location on their server so it probably starts with "http://www.kipling.com" .
Third, you can probably get the info by going to the bloody store so it's not really worth the trouble.
Anyway, brute force would be the simplest way.
- Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
There's the Login name AND the password. that's 20 chars. even saying 58 chars only, that's 1.85E35..
the 1.2E42 = 127 possible chars (although probably not what they used), 20 spaces
- Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
Laptop Transit from JanSport. It's got a padded compartment for the notebook, and a foam bar for the side facing the bottom of the backpack. Plus it has a full-sized main compartment, and a couple other zipper pouches. Only thing I wish it had was more shoulder strap padding.
-- Perry Ketter, a.k.a. IceStorm
That's what I like to hear. Everytime I put together a rather ugly piece of code just to complete an assignment, the other students seem to gasp when I call it a "hack job." I have done nothing wrong, yet the image the word "hacker" carries seems to imply that I cracked my way into some system to lift the code. I'm fed up with this sh*t. I feel angry that the media promotes such things. I, too would never use an AOL CD for anything except a coaster.
WoAh! D00d thats '3l1+3! I gotta get me some....oh wait....doh!
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Is some gear designed specifically for the tech support professional. Oh sure it looks like a bag full of miscellaneous computer bits. But when the Exchange server goes down for the last time, it doubles as combat armor for when you decide to go postal. I would go crazy for some sort of geek-belt that holds all of the tools I need and has a strap for my special screwdriver. The 24 inch long one made out of hardened steel. Its for adjusting the loose screw between the keyboard and the seat. I bet you would actually sell some of these.
"hackercollection" just happens to be 16 characters long.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but a glance at this code seems to look like a simple Xor.
It's not a simple XOR -- there's a lot of byte-swapping going on, too. Note how the algorithm chooses swap_index and exchanges it with index at each step. I don't know if Schneier's algorithm can accommodate that.
Heh...They probably won't have it up tomarrow ^_^
"All warfare is based on deception."
Sun Tzu, "The Art of War"
I like the "Wannabee"...because it's exactly what they are.
"There are no cool guys in musicals." -- Coach McGuirk
It turns my stomach inside out to see the kind of junk the "trendy" world is ammounting to. I can understand the puffy jackets, and untied shoes (well, to an extent), but seeing this kippling "hacker" crap is obsurd. I'm a programmer, I've hacked 3 hours strait, I would not be caught dead in that stuff. I think they really need to get their definitions strait. Maybe have someone buy them a dictionary or something, I don't know what to say at this moment in time. /me sighs oh well, I'm sure a CRACKER, will have fun with their home (for any of you who've missed it it's at www.kipling.com) and their dues will be paid. Keep the awt alive! - tropix
I think the "hacker" term started popping up as a "password guessing kid" at about the same time as the movie "WarGames" came out, '83. I think Matthew Broderick might have even had a backpack similar to those sold by Kipling!
Unfortunately, the Oxford English Dictionary isn't available for online perusal, because they could lay claim to representing the parent dialect.
Actually OED is available for online searches,
however I believe that you need to be part of
an organization that paid for access to it.
I looked it up online and here is the result:
OED Entry Search
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Term: hacker
Found: 2 matches
1. hacker
hacker , sb. f. hack v.1 + -er1.
1. One who hacks; one who hoes with a hack.
1620 Markham Farew. Husb. ii. ii. (1668) 4 One good hacker, being a lusty labourer, will at good ease hack or cut more than
half an acre of ground in a day.
1784 New Spectator IV. 5/1 Hackers and hewers of reputation.
b. A `cutter', cut-throat, bully; = hackster.
1581 Pettie Guazzo's Civ. Conv. iii. (1586) 135 b, Like these cutters, and hackers, who will take the wall of men, and picke
quarrells.
1589 Pappe w. Hatchet B b, There is an olde hacker that shall take order for to print them.
1621 Burton Anat. Mel. i. ii. iii. xiii. (1651) 118 A common hacker or notorious thief.
1649 Blithe Eng. Improv. Impr. (1653) Ded., How comes City and Country to be filled with Drones and Rogues, our highwaies
with hackers, and all places with sloth and wickedness?
c. fig. One who mangles words or sense. Obs.
A. 1603 T. Cartwright Confut. Rhem. N.T. (1618) 606 To make the Author of the Epistle such a hacker and mangler as they
themselues be.
2. That which hacks; an implement for hacking, chopping wood, or breaking up earth; a chopper, cleaver; a hoe, mattock.
1481-90 Howard Househ. Bks. (Roxb.) 137 Item, for hakkeres ij.d.
1688 R. Holme Armoury iii. 292/2 The Dutch Cleever, or Chopping Knife, is termed an Hacker, or Hack-mes.
A. 1722 Lisle Husb. (1752) 214 My labourers came from mowing vetches..not having their hackers with them.
1854 Jrnl. R. Agric. Soc. XV. i. 100 Hoeing with a heavy hacker or hoe between the rows.
1879 Miss Jackson Shropsh. Word-bk., Hacker, a short, strong, slightly curved implement of a peculiar kind, for chopping off
the branches of fallen trees, etc.
1890 Gloucestersh. Gloss., Hacker, a sort of axe for cutting faggots.
b. U.S. A tool for making an oblique incision in a tree, as a channel for the passage of sap, gum, or resin.
1875 Knight Dict. Mech.
3.
a. A person with an enthusiasm for programming or using computers as an end in itself. colloq. (orig. U.S.).
1976 J. Weizenbaum Computer Power Human Reason iv. 118 The compulsive programmer, or hacker as he calls himself, is
usually a superb technician.
1977 Time 5 Sept. 39/1 Some 500 retail outlets have opened in the past couple of years to sell and service
microcomputers-and serve as hangouts for the growing legions of home-computer nuts, or `hackers' as they call
themselves.
1982 Sci. Amer. Oct. 110/1 In the jargon of computer science a hacker is someone who spends much of his time writing
computer programs.
1983 Byte May 298/1 `Hacker' seems to have originated at MIT. The original German/Yiddish expression referred to
someone so inept as to make furniture with an axe, but somehow the meaning has been twisted so that it now generally
connotes someone obsessed with programming and computers but possessing a fair degree of skill and competence.
1984 Which Micro? Dec. 17/3 A hacker might spend more time playing his own version of PacMan than on useful program
development.
1986 A B Computing Nov. 16/3 The on-screen help is for the casual user but there's plenty for the hacker who wants to
tinker with the software and tailor it for special purposes.
b. A person who uses his skill with computers to try to gain unauthorized access to computer files or networks. colloq.
1983 Daily Tel. 3 Oct. 3/1 A hacker-computer jargon for an electronic eavesdropper who by-passes computer security
systems-yesterday penetrated a confidential British Telecom message system being demonstrated live on BBC-TV.
1985 U.S.A. Today 18 Oct. a1/4 A gang of 23 teen-age computer hackers has done `significant damage' to Chase Manhattan
Bank's records.
1986 TeleLink Sept.-Oct. 25/2 Just for fun, the hackers decided to drop a few APBs (All Points Bulletins) into the local police
computer, with the result that, when out driving in his car, he was repeatedly stopped.
2. hacker
hacker, v. dial. freq. of hack v.1
1. trans. `To hash in cutting, to hack small' (Jam.).
1807 Hogg Mountain Bard 18 (Jam.) His throat was a' hackered, an' ghastly was he.
2. intr. To hesitate in utterance; to stammer; to `hum and ha'.
1787 Grose Provinc. Gloss., Hacker, to stutter. S[outh].
1818 Cobbett Pol. Reg. XXXIII. 473 Compared with this, how can one think with patience of the hackering, and stammering
[etc.]?
1824 Miss Mitford Village Ser. i. (1863) 115 To stammer and hacker, to bow and curtsey.
3. To haggle.
1833 Blackw. Mag. XXXIV. 688 Shall national parsimony..hacker about the remuneration?
"When you sit with a nice girl for two hours, it seems like two minutes. When you sit on a hot stove for two minutes, it
Worthless trash ripoff sensationalism garbage.
They have a way to contact them. Considering they've already been slashdotted the might correct it (yeah right!). Goto their "Fun" area and the "Guestbook". The guestbook is really a form to e-mail them, not a real guestbook (Would have never guessed.... ;))
- AMW
And here I was, thinking that just like everyone else, hackers were individuals that had their own tastes. Man, I sure am dumb.
Serious, though. What should we expect after movies like "hackers?" The thing is, hacking as a concept is cool to lots of people. Hacking as an actual activity is really boring to lots of people. It's easy to make breaking into computer systems and so on cool when it's MTV. It's really hard to make it cool when it's PBS. I guess junk food, C, and 50-hour days just aren't sexy anymore.
And here I was, thinking that just like everyone else, hackers were individuals that had their own tastes. Man, I sure am dumb.
Serious, though. What should we expect after movies like "hackers?" The thing is, hacking as a concept is cool to lots of people. Hacking as an actual activity is really boring to lots of people. It's easy to make breaking into computer systems and so on cool when it's MTV. It's really hard to make it cool when it's PBS. I guess junk food, C, and 50-hour days just aren't sexy anymore.
Zagmar
What you two are missing is that this isn't even for script kids. This is for the same people that a year ago were going to spiceworld.com. So the password is not going to be hard. It'll be an english word, one that has something VERY VERY basic to do with the internet. I'm talking not even as complex as TCP/IP here. So you're probably talking like 50 possibilities.
Zagmar
Surely the "Spam" bag is in violation of the trademark owned by Hormel Foods.
Why would anyone want a spam bag anyway?
the hole site is a rubbish dump!!!! Useless as tits on a bull!!!
What are you then ? A NERD ? Rest of the world may say whatever they like, but in the domain in which this term (hacker) was born, it still has it's original meaning. This is folklore, and therefore _must_ be preserved. We need to know where all these things come from.
you almost have to wonder who they are targetting with this. Anyone who actually knows what's going on, probably found out about this gear through slashdot, and by that token, sees how silly it is. Anyone who lives in the real world(yes I consider the fun little internet-world that we live in to be different from the real world), and doesn't have a clue will say "no...I can't wear that...I'd be a geek(please...no debate over geek definition). I think the market is limited to 12-14 year old kids who like to win-nuke eachother, and grandmothers who will send this to their 12-14 year old grandchildren after they win-nuke her.
To show that you are a real hacker you can wear a Microsoft shirt. Wear it around. Walk down the street. Watch how everybody fears and respects you. Make empty threats of hacking other people's computers. Live it up.
-Andrew
It was a JOKE! LAUGH! damn idiot.
BTW has noone yet to figure out the login/password
its wednesday already. Well that sucks, guess everyone has given up. Or did I not see it?
Here's what they think a nuke is:
Keyword: To intentionally delete the entire
contents of a given directory, hard drive,
or storage volume.
LOL!
I wonder how far someone can carry one of those "nuke" bags through an airport.
Can the real Hacker community sue kipling for making them look like tits?
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Not only that but they called one of their backpacks... "The Wizard"
Keyword: A software routine that allows for easy "yes or no" answers to configuration, Installation, and set-up questions.
What Next... the script?
Keyword: A software routine that allows 31337 hAx0r d00dZ to be 31337 and hack |\|a5a and stuff.
(Only available in childrens sizes 10-14, special offers is you have an @aol.com email address)
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Frosted Lucky Charms,
They're magically delicious!
They're gonna have a problem...
There's a bag on that site labeled 'Moof', and not only do I doubt the accuracy of the definition, but 'Moof' is a registered trademark of Apple Computer. (It's the sound Clarus the DogCow Makes)
--- CMU Staff A Elbereth Gilthoniel!
So my roommate and I were mulling this over and best we can tell they have a bunch of ugly looking JScript to create a fairly complex (obscure) encryption scheme. When you start to look at it a little closer it apears to be nothing more than a XOR of the encrypted winning URL(s) with an encryption key. The key is generated using the 16 character login, 4 character password and a little math...
They do kind of throw us a bone however - the first 7 characters of the plain text are know to be 'http://' they check for this in the JScript. You could also be bold and guess that the next 15 characters are www.kipling.com That leaves 44 (web-address leagal) characters to brute force search.
Even though we are only searching web legal characters (about 101?) this is still a ugly problem to brute force. But if anyone has a spare supercomputer laying around you could definatly piss off some folks at Kippling by cracking this puppy and posting the winning URL for a true test of the slashdot effect. >:)
It is quite simple
Haiku should not be funny
Try a Senryu
you're right, as far as facts of life go. however, i truly believe that to _really_ change the society's mind about the place of minorities and sub-cultures (such as hackers, queers, etc.), the members of those groups themselves need to become more tolerant and see themselves as part of the bigger picture. otherwise, we're just contributing to the problem, and i'm very sad to say that i'm beginning to view some things as a lost cause.
i apologize if the tone of my first post was a little inflammatory, but i hate to see people digging their own graves.
d3l1r1um.
yes, I think Rob should change "Anonymous Coward"
to "Anonymous Kipling"
[sez a former AC who just registered - third time lucky]
oh yeah - and I just nabbed "kipling" as a nick.
Sorry guys. Sort of fits my embryonic linux abilities.
-- open source? sounds like the real book --
British spelling. (Actually, non-US spelling, to be precise.) It seems that the company is EU-based.
-- open source? sounds like the real book --
Everyone's ignoring the fact that we only need search the 83 characters coded for in a2i().
I think it's 83 char's:
0,32,46-126
Therefore, 83^20 = 2.4e+38 > 2^127
2^128
SO yeah. Brute force sucks.
well.. the way i see it. Bill Gates is attempting to pull a behind-the-back trick on americans to influence kids to want to be like hackers and get arrested so the future of tomorrow can't hold the possability of linux. he knows that only adults buy windows oriented programs, and that linux really depends on college students and high school student. so the bottom line is that he really created this line of luggage to get kids arested.
Since I am in the military, I work everyday to defend the rights of every citizen in this country.
Just because somebody calls you a hacker DOES NOT give the cops any right to arrest you. That is police harassment.
It really saddens me to see Americans so willing to give up their rights for a little personal safety.
I agree 100% with Patrick Henry
"Give me liberty or give me death"
Can't say that I agree with you. But you are entitled to you opinion just as much as I am.
All I can say, is that when I get up in the morning, and look at that flag, and think about how many people have given their lives to defend this great land, then I know what it's all about.
And, yes, I do study history.
I don't think so that they have choicen a easy formula.
Look at it.. They smack away rest value's by using by rounding value's up, and using dividing rests. That makes Reversedecoding somehow harder.
Good.. ANother Bottle of cola, Now to codebreak that
X[0]=(pi*A[0])+(B[0])%256 Thing.
where's that formula i once learned on school...
*waves* -- tser
um... this isn't true, everyone...
-- The Funk, The Whole Funk, And Nothing But The Funk
It's trademarked, too.
I hope Apple sues them.
someone said why not put real hackers like Linus
and RMS up there well heres one good reason
they aren't very good looking.
come on face it Linus or RMS aren't what anyone would call sexy and/or good looking (and if you do
man you have soem REALLY bad taste)
but since I"m sexy I don't have to worry about it
Only reason why the term means what it does today is because of ridicoulus movies hollywood puts out, I wonder how many AOL'ers wanted to be a 'hacker' and do some '3l33t hacking' after seeing 'Hackers'.
Good God, and shit like this only makes it worse, like somebody I know said "The net is full of fucking idiots"
btw, some shit on that site is kinda funny, i wonder if any of those '3l33t hackers' are going to get the sysop bag : P
shit, all i could make out was 'eleet' and 'linux' : P
Hello? Boycott what? If someone wanted to order this fine material (cough) how could they anyways? You cant order it off their webpage, Ive never seen a kipling retial store near by, What, hold your forehead up against the monitor and slowly a backpack will appear?
A couple of months ago, I bought a couple of those kipling hacker shoes. It was only afterwards that I realized this was pretty lame.
:]
Anyway - I am the one person to say that kipling hacker wearables are of extremely BAD quality. And I can prove this. Just come over to my place and smell an see those shoes - awfull
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Add a begin/start thing to your software, so everybody can sign in to do parts of the whole space of possibilities. I can serve a central "these packages are ready" page - mail me @ mooby@nerdhero.org
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You can all contribute your cpu time to the kiplinghack!
More infoz available @ http://nerdhero.org/kiplinghack/
MoobY
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Come over for a visit at http://nerdhero.org/kiplinghack to enter the hack
We need your cpu power!
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We tried all different kinds of things with the hint but couldn't get in. If you want to download crack software - come to http://nerdhero.org/kiplinghack/
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I totally agree with you REAL hackers are short fat kids..... I should know......
Using what works is the american way... -Jim Capizzi