> Our brains have an extraordinary ability to monitor time. If you can't manage seeing speed, either you get eaten or you starve because you cannot eat - talking reptiles, insects, even much lower. You are prey or looking for prey (redundant - not sure for what that's good). Glad somebody is figuring out the how's after all that time it exists..
Yes, that's what I'm saying: people lost the argument for prohibiting glyphosate use, so they are trying to introduce these restrictions by badmouthing GMOs.
GMO's are not just disliked because of Roundup-Ready GMO Plants entering human and animal food chains. That's a continuous dislike in people often ridiculed as Tin-Foil-Hat wearers. About 20 years ago, GMO tomatoes appeared in Supermarkets - tomatoes usually harvested green, then gassed in trucks to turn red did not taste to good. The GMO tomatoes tasted great, did they last?
Arent' GMO organisms foreign to some degree to all what exists in organisms? Fish DNA modified to metabolize differently and grow faster and bigger. All OK, they won't escape. Intrusive species invading an ecosystem - there are many - zebra mussles, salt cedars destroying grand canyon, big trees now wearing bellybands saying hey, I got the emerald ash borer from China, I'll have to die..
The argument for GMO - selective growing of plants for better properties done since millenniums is identical to GMO technology and therefore harmless, I consider as FUD. There are genes of totally different species - humans included, as it seems - inserted into plant genes and from there, bleeding into the surrounding environment without control and long term effect research.
Thanks for at least admitting that kind of dishonest strategy.
My pleasure, hope it helps!
And what's particularly evil about that strategy is that it threatens lots of GMO plants that are clearly beneficial and could help alleviate malnutrition around the globe
What's on this "only possible to feed the world only with GMO" FUD story?
Somewhere was written that the food distribution - logistic - is the main factor for starvation, there is sufficient food produced on this planet.
The other main factor seems to be the growth of the human population on this planet - untouchable after the motto - more is always better. There is no system nor consciousness in place to regulate this factor in any way.
There are numerous research studies, both experimental and epidemiological; you can look at them yourself. Whatever effect glyphosate may have at the concentrations found in food, it is so small that it is hard to measure. For practical purposes, that means it's not worth worrying about.
If you say so...
If you are still worried about glyphosate residues in food, you have the option of buying organic foods. If enough people do that, glyphosate use will cease.
Looks like the majority of GMO food is grown for animal feed. Not sure how much organic food buying at the grocery store would influence that. But - animals excrete the GMO DNA, same food waste from animal feed, grocery store/restaurant waste, with this foreign DNA, all goes back into the soil.
Remember the trans-fat affair with this hydrogenated oil stuff found alien by human bodies? No similarity, nothing to worry about with this new GMO DNA...
But it is arrogant, selfish, and stupid of you to try to manipulate other people into buying one or the other product because you happen to be scared by it. And your kind of misbehavior is at the root of the "bribed 'democratic' political show" in the US: look in the mirror, you're the culprit.
Am I trying to manipulate you? Oh, you are so sweet, I love you, that's totally your program. If you are feeling manipulated, please get a ROM update.
Now the bribed stuff and your democracy, here you go:
... There are five independent studies that came out in last five years by some of our leading political scientists, at Princeton, Northwestern, the University o
don't they have anything better to do with their lifes than cxreating those crappy situations for others? Petty callus character to host and live with I'd say.
Nope, I sure don't and I have no idea what is in your head to make this kind of statement.
I have a web site, actually several. They are financed out of my own pocket without soliciting ANYTHING without consent of a user looking for service or product! I do not track cookies, nor do I send out emails with tracking links. IMO, that's the original spirit of the Internet - Universities, DARPA, UUNET and what else there was in the beginning. One paid a provider for access only.
How the current Internet with all that content would happen in that fashion is a good question. Sucking on people in the current manner, be it on probing their habits and then targeting them for ads, throwing unsolicited content in their eyes and brains I consider as abusive.
Either people get used and tolerate this kind of stuff - dulling their senses with unnecessary and unasked input, or there will be eventually an end to it. Personally, watching a video with a pre-ad showing, I turn the volume down and move the window away.
What is the success rate of all those ads in various fashions? Maybe one of thousands - and the remaining thousands - 1 dispraisers pay for it. That clearly is abusive behavior.
One can only speculate what impact all this has on human perception - all this constant blanking out of visual information. Long term I would think that there is a dulling affect on openness to visual input.
If adblockers no longer work, maybe it's time to look for something else to do than being sucked on. I am definitely at a point to go elsewhere when this stuff thrown on me gets too much.
One has to think about the frame of mind the people have creating this stuff, how they think about their subjects being exposed to their products. Definitely something missing here on empathy or are there already robots at work?
One goes to a site for a certain purpose - to look/find/do something. Then there are movements, popups, slideshows aside from the permanent - please give feedback/survey later-ones... Visual beggars for attention, distractions, from the original purpose requiring extra effort and time to avoid/ignore/eliminate.
Who likes/needs those?
Suckers! On a very large part of the Internet, defying the original purpose of this great idea.
Has no life experience how it is in Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Russia, Sudan, China etc... where anonymity protects one from getting prosecuted or killed. How about researching the reasons for violence and despotism and taking active steps to eliminate those? People in power often show traits of psychopath character behavior and cannot think in above terms to be a viable alternative. Binary thinking seems to be the general situation where only two possibilities exist: repress/reduce or controlled allow.
Soon the amount plastic floating in the oceans* will exceed the mass of live fish - eat the plastic and if that does not work, GMO yourself so it works out.
Remove Roundup-Ready GMO crops and the amount of Roundup use in food crops will shrink significantly because the crops need to be shielded from Roundup spray. Ergo...
Ergo what? Which part of "both the US and the EU regulatory agencies have determined that it is, in fact, not toxic as used in agriculture and permit its continued use" did you not understand?
The argument was that remove the glyphosate use, if it is dangerous against removing the opportunity to use it by avoiding use of GMO plants tolerating it.
Yeah, holy Monsanto did research that their product indeed is OK, other research questioning safety was made laughable, more research did not found anything and... drum roll, it's safe - who is pulling the strings on the US bribed "democratic" political show, trust anyone that you are not taken for a ride? Oh, just pray, it will be OK, the right thing is happening - Argentine.
Presumably, you are referring to glyphosate resistant crops. If you think glyphosate (or some other GMO-related chemical) is "toxic", why are you arguing against GMOs and not what is actually toxic?
Hey! Use your brain for a change:
Roundup-Ready food crops are immune to glyphosate and can be doused with Roundup without getting harmed. The stuff goes into the food chain because of GMO plants.
GMO food crops are the primary reason for using Roundup on an immense scale. Endocrine disruptors, cancer causing etc. (do your own research within your believe-system to either find out or reject).
Remove Roundup-Ready GMO crops and the amount of Roundup use in food crops will shrink significantly because the crops need to be shielded from Roundup spray.
If people get activated, enticed, angry, violent from written word (pictures/videos), where is the problem?
The written word (pictures/videos) somewhere, or the readiness to fall for it and being unable see where this is coming from and leading to, needing a constant nurse to look after so they don't start killing each other. So it's a pretty hopeless situation.
With this project though - the fact how bones are handled is totally left out. They sure won't compose any time soon. For composting, skull needs to be cracked open, bones ground up and soft body parts chopped into small pieces, like 2" dia, otherwise no composting, gets into stinky anaerobic process. A body, maybe 180 lbs > 60 % water, very challenging to compost, needs tons of carbon (wood) to compensate.
In recycling organic waste, let's say from restaurants or supermarkets, the major problem to get this material composted is to offset the water content with wood.
If reality kicks in with composting human bodies and gets public, people will be getting upset.
Looks like a very loony project - scamming airheads.
The idea that you can (or should) do only one thing at a time is sheer foolishness. In real life a leader needs to manage multiple tasks at a time, giving each one the proportionate amount of attention that it needs. If you (as a person or a nation) are only capable of one thing at a time, you should step aside and let someone with more chops run things.
"One thing" - where do you get "one thing" on this planet?
Fixing that one, maybe a collective reboot is needed....
Advocating for another mass extinction event eh? Yea, that's the ticket. Let's wipe civilization off the face of the earth....
Nope - will first go into another mode and maybe comes to it's senses, like firmware/kernel update on a running system. If you look at the dysfunction of political systems across the board, appearance of pseudo authorities killing everyone not following their programming - IS comes to mind - then terrorizing more democratic systems, Europe for example, those systems going bonkers in reaction.
Interesting times. Ah - I forgot Trump becoming president, where did he get his money from and how many underlings worked for it, so it comes together? With Bill Gates this is easy to determine. The frame of mind of the guy Martin Shkreli being proud of buying a company/rights and then rise the price of a pill from $ 13 to $ 750, being proud of it and praised by some money folks - great stuff!
Factum: The smaller the income spread in a population is, the more happy people live in it. The reverse of this is.... Aren't there rich-people conclaves where they stick together an can be happy?
Who needs to be on Mars when the own planet is in peril. Just a mind-distraction from currently unsolved issues. Seems to be some firmware bug in human brains. Fixing that one, maybe a collective reboot is needed.... Good luck!
by robots (brainwashed humans) to do the "right" thing - every opportunity to increase profit and protect one's right about "property" needs to be realized. Hilarious happenings can be witnessed - enjoy! Who are the individuals doing this, so they can be applauded and admired?
But also farmed salmon - they are apparently fed either special food or plain color to get reddish otherwise their meat would be without color and not-sellable.
"synthetic colourants canthaxanthin and astaxanthin to give farmed salmon flesh a pink hue" - from there: http://www.farmedanddangerous....
Maybe they put the coloration into the genes of the salmons to avoid the paint.
Pretty much bull all that stuff anyway. Grow your own food and you know what goes in minus general pollution.
Obstacles: Need TIME, a garden plot, pond or a cage for chicken (needs a permit in some communities) - saw some people having a chicken in a cage in their garage....
First off, this seems far away from applicable but already the sequester CO2 hope arises.
Do those holey liquids exist in nature or is it another hydrogenated fat flop?
Now about sequestration, why is it hyped?
Probably less offensive methods, looking at planting more carbon dumps or grooming or reviving recently destroyed one's are less hip in those rogue capital/profit short time-driven systems?
Is the radiation loaded nuclear waste with half-times into the multiple millenia solved? Not even that and saving future inhabitants
living a couple of millenia from preventing to dig into that crap once a permanent home is found - duh!
Who will end his/her life with a suicide belt or -car?
In those cases here, with participants shouting "Allahu Akbar" - God is great - there must be some benefit in their brain to be doing this.
Maybe it's such a desolate and hopeless situation they live in, that a fantasy escape (hope, projection of rewards into the future) becomes necessary to make this very existence bearable.
Another possibility for reason may be education and intelligence - being able to understand and see motives of manipulators in relation to oneself.
<mischief>
Now, since many, if not all thought models, be they religious or ideological, depend to function and gain popularity on similar mechanisms, fighting them would also fight their own basis for existence.
Which gives rise to the question if societies depending on mechanisms can eliminate identical mechanisms in other societies and what are the consequences?
</mischief>
They are doing something FOR their country and as a consequence they have to hide it FROM their country.
Oh, sorry - one would need to define what a country is. Hard to define these days, I'll skip that, isn't there doctores without borders, now this could be perverts without borders here.
My guess is that it's a conspiracy between "friends" to cover up heinous crimes against individuals done by perverts and signed off by "friends" looking into how the acts can be justified and found legal support for it. But - this seems to work only if it happens secretly or some people would have their dreams disrupted and object.
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> Our brains have an extraordinary ability to monitor time.
If you can't manage seeing speed, either you get eaten or you starve because you cannot eat - talking reptiles, insects, even much lower. You are prey or looking for prey (redundant - not sure for what that's good).
Glad somebody is figuring out the how's after all that time it exists..
Who had his drawer open to make this fly?
Yes, that's what I'm saying: people lost the argument for prohibiting glyphosate use, so they are trying to introduce these restrictions by badmouthing GMOs.
GMO's are not just disliked because of Roundup-Ready GMO Plants entering human and animal food chains.
That's a continuous dislike in people often ridiculed as Tin-Foil-Hat wearers.
About 20 years ago, GMO tomatoes appeared in Supermarkets - tomatoes usually harvested green, then gassed in trucks to turn red did not taste to good. The GMO tomatoes tasted great, did they last?
Arent' GMO organisms foreign to some degree to all what exists in organisms?
Fish DNA modified to metabolize differently and grow faster and bigger. All OK, they won't escape.
Intrusive species invading an ecosystem - there are many - zebra mussles, salt cedars destroying grand canyon, big trees now wearing bellybands saying hey, I got the emerald ash borer from China, I'll have to die..
The argument for GMO - selective growing of plants for better properties done since millenniums is identical to GMO technology and therefore harmless, I consider as FUD.
There are genes of totally different species - humans included, as it seems - inserted into plant genes and from there, bleeding into the surrounding environment without control and long term effect research.
Thanks for at least admitting that kind of dishonest strategy.
My pleasure, hope it helps!
And what's particularly evil about that strategy is that it threatens lots of GMO plants that are clearly beneficial and could help alleviate malnutrition around the globe
What's on this "only possible to feed the world only with GMO" FUD story?
Somewhere was written that the food distribution - logistic - is the main factor for starvation, there is sufficient food produced on this planet.
The other main factor seems to be the growth of the human population on this planet - untouchable after the motto - more is always better.
There is no system nor consciousness in place to regulate this factor in any way.
There are numerous research studies, both experimental and epidemiological; you can look at them yourself. Whatever effect glyphosate may have at the concentrations found in food, it is so small that it is hard to measure. For practical purposes, that means it's not worth worrying about.
If you say so...
If you are still worried about glyphosate residues in food, you have the option of buying organic foods. If enough people do that, glyphosate use will cease.
Looks like the majority of GMO food is grown for animal feed. Not sure how much organic food buying at the grocery store would influence that.
But - animals excrete the GMO DNA, same food waste from animal feed, grocery store/restaurant waste, with this foreign DNA, all goes back into the soil.
Remember the trans-fat affair with this hydrogenated oil stuff found alien by human bodies? No similarity, nothing to worry about with this new GMO DNA...
But it is arrogant, selfish, and stupid of you to try to manipulate other people into buying one or the other product because you happen to be scared by it. And your kind of misbehavior is at the root of the "bribed 'democratic' political show" in the US: look in the mirror, you're the culprit.
Am I trying to manipulate you? Oh, you are so sweet, I love you, that's totally your program. If you are feeling manipulated, please get a ROM update.
Now the bribed stuff and your democracy, here you go:
From Robert McChesney https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
... There are five independent studies that came out in last five years by some of our leading political scientists, at Princeton, Northwestern, the University o
Recorded in Madison, WI on November 05, 2015
don't they have anything better to do with their lifes than cxreating those crappy situations for others? Petty callus character to host and live with I'd say.
Who needs them? You do. ...
Nope, I sure don't and I have no idea what is in your head to make this kind of statement.
I have a web site, actually several. They are financed out of my own pocket without soliciting ANYTHING without consent of a user looking for service or product!
I do not track cookies, nor do I send out emails with tracking links.
IMO, that's the original spirit of the Internet - Universities, DARPA, UUNET and what else there was in the beginning. One paid a provider for access only.
How the current Internet with all that content would happen in that fashion is a good question.
Sucking on people in the current manner, be it on probing their habits and then targeting them for ads, throwing unsolicited content in their eyes and brains I consider as abusive.
Either people get used and tolerate this kind of stuff - dulling their senses with unnecessary and unasked input, or there will be eventually an end to it.
Personally, watching a video with a pre-ad showing, I turn the volume down and move the window away.
What is the success rate of all those ads in various fashions? Maybe one of thousands - and the remaining thousands - 1 dispraisers pay for it. That clearly is abusive behavior.
One can only speculate what impact all this has on human perception - all this constant blanking out of visual information. Long term I would think that there is a dulling affect on openness to visual input.
If adblockers no longer work, maybe it's time to look for something else to do than being sucked on.
I am definitely at a point to go elsewhere when this stuff thrown on me gets too much.
One has to think about the frame of mind the people have creating this stuff, how they think about their subjects being exposed to their products. Definitely something missing here on empathy or are there already robots at work?
Aren't they a permanent annoyance?
One goes to a site for a certain purpose - to look/find/do something.
Then there are movements, popups, slideshows aside from the permanent - please give feedback/survey later-ones...
Visual beggars for attention, distractions, from the original purpose requiring extra effort and time to avoid/ignore/eliminate.
Who likes/needs those?
Suckers! On a very large part of the Internet, defying the original purpose of this great idea.
Born to be killed.
Has no life experience how it is in Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Russia, Sudan, China etc... where anonymity protects one from getting prosecuted or killed.
How about researching the reasons for violence and despotism and taking active steps to eliminate those?
People in power often show traits of psychopath character behavior and cannot think in above terms to be a viable alternative.
Binary thinking seems to be the general situation where only two possibilities exist: repress/reduce or controlled allow.
Soon the amount plastic floating in the oceans* will exceed the mass of live fish - eat the plastic and if that does not work, GMO yourself so it works out.
*) Google is your ....
Ergo what? Which part of "both the US and the EU regulatory agencies have determined that it is, in fact, not toxic as used in agriculture and permit its continued use" did you not understand?
The argument was that remove the glyphosate use, if it is dangerous against removing the opportunity to use it by avoiding use of GMO plants tolerating it.
Yeah, holy Monsanto did research that their product indeed is OK, other research questioning safety was made laughable, more research did not found anything and... drum roll, it's safe - who is pulling the strings on the US bribed "democratic" political show, trust anyone that you are not taken for a ride?
Oh, just pray, it will be OK, the right thing is happening - Argentine.
http://sustainablepulse.com/20...
And you can find the same number of links disputing this or suppressing information because its harming business. Enjoy the show!
Presumably, you are referring to glyphosate resistant crops. If you think glyphosate (or some other GMO-related chemical) is "toxic", why are you arguing against GMOs and not what is actually toxic?
Hey! Use your brain for a change:
Roundup-Ready food crops are immune to glyphosate and can be doused with Roundup without getting harmed. The stuff goes into the food chain because of GMO plants.
GMO food crops are the primary reason for using Roundup on an immense scale. Endocrine disruptors, cancer causing etc. (do your own research within your believe-system to either find out or reject).
Remove Roundup-Ready GMO crops and the amount of Roundup use in food crops will shrink significantly because the crops need to be shielded from Roundup spray.
Ergo....
If people get activated, enticed, angry, violent from written word (pictures/videos), where is the problem?
The written word (pictures/videos) somewhere, or the readiness to fall for it and being unable see where this is coming from and leading to, needing a constant nurse to look after so they don't start killing each other. So it's a pretty hopeless situation.
Seems that's reality..
How so?
For composting, skull needs to be cracked open, bones ground up and soft body parts chopped into small pieces,
It's been done
Movie Fargo has a method too - all nothing good for kickstarter...
in cemetery - happy trees there.
With this project though - the fact how bones are handled is totally left out. They sure won't compose any time soon.
For composting, skull needs to be cracked open, bones ground up and soft body parts chopped into small pieces, like 2" dia, otherwise no composting, gets into stinky anaerobic process. A body, maybe 180 lbs > 60 % water, very challenging to compost, needs tons of carbon (wood) to compensate.
In recycling organic waste, let's say from restaurants or supermarkets, the major problem to get this material composted is to offset the water content with wood.
If reality kicks in with composting human bodies and gets public, people will be getting upset.
Looks like a very loony project - scamming airheads.
The idea that you can (or should) do only one thing at a time is sheer foolishness. In real life a leader needs to manage multiple tasks at a time, giving each one the proportionate amount of attention that it needs. If you (as a person or a nation) are only capable of one thing at a time, you should step aside and let someone with more chops run things.
"One thing" - where do you get "one thing" on this planet?
It's what makes us human. We need to explore.
Says who? - "need" ???
Fixing that one, maybe a collective reboot is needed....
Advocating for another mass extinction event eh? Yea, that's the ticket. Let's wipe civilization off the face of the earth....
Nope - will first go into another mode and maybe comes to it's senses, like firmware/kernel update on a running system. If you look at the dysfunction of political systems across the board, appearance of pseudo authorities killing everyone not following their programming - IS comes to mind - then terrorizing more democratic systems, Europe for example, those systems going bonkers in reaction.
Interesting times. Ah - I forgot Trump becoming president, where did he get his money from and how many underlings worked for it, so it comes together? With Bill Gates this is easy to determine. The frame of mind of the guy Martin Shkreli being proud of buying a company/rights and then rise the price of a pill from $ 13 to $ 750, being proud of it and praised by some money folks - great stuff!
Factum: The smaller the income spread in a population is, the more happy people live in it. The reverse of this is .... Aren't there rich-people conclaves where they stick together an can be happy?
Who needs to be on Mars when the own planet is in peril. Just a mind-distraction from currently unsolved issues.
Seems to be some firmware bug in human brains. Fixing that one, maybe a collective reboot is needed....
Good luck!
The crooks can't crack "weak" encryption left for the common user. What is the intention of folks making those laws - religiously motivated?
by robots (brainwashed humans) to do the "right" thing - every opportunity to increase profit and protect one's right about "property" needs to be realized. Hilarious happenings can be witnessed - enjoy! Who are the individuals doing this, so they can be applauded and admired?
But also farmed salmon - they are apparently fed either special food or plain color to get reddish otherwise their meat would be without color and not-sellable.
"synthetic colourants canthaxanthin and astaxanthin to give farmed salmon flesh a pink hue" - from there: http://www.farmedanddangerous....
Maybe they put the coloration into the genes of the salmons to avoid the paint.
Pretty much bull all that stuff anyway. Grow your own food and you know what goes in minus general pollution.
Obstacles: Need TIME, a garden plot, pond or a cage for chicken (needs a permit in some communities) - saw some people having a chicken in a cage in their garage....
Life gets more complicated by the day....
Indeed:
http://www.animals-zone.com/7-...
No concept what hit them, when it does.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Molten salt reactors are said to have, in theory, fuel remnants with storage needs of a few centuries rather than tens of millennia.
Any MSR's producing except experimentals?
http://www.jonathonporritt.com...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Ma - megaannums, million years
to whosoever comes later.
First off, this seems far away from applicable but already the sequester CO2 hope arises.
Do those holey liquids exist in nature or is it another hydrogenated fat flop?
Now about sequestration, why is it hyped?
Probably less offensive methods, looking at planting more carbon dumps or grooming or reviving recently destroyed one's are less hip in those rogue capital/profit short time-driven systems?
Is the radiation loaded nuclear waste with half-times into the multiple millenia solved? Not even that and saving future inhabitants living a couple of millenia from preventing to dig into that crap once a permanent home is found - duh!
And the underlying reason for all of this is - ?
Who will end his/her life with a suicide belt or -car?
In those cases here, with participants shouting "Allahu Akbar" - God is great - there must be some benefit in their brain to be doing this.
Maybe it's such a desolate and hopeless situation they live in, that a fantasy escape (hope, projection of rewards into the future) becomes necessary to make this very existence bearable.
Another possibility for reason may be education and intelligence - being able to understand and see motives of manipulators in relation to oneself.
<mischief>
Now, since many, if not all thought models, be they religious or ideological, depend to function and gain popularity on similar mechanisms, fighting them would also fight their own basis for existence.
Which gives rise to the question if societies depending on mechanisms can eliminate identical mechanisms in other societies and what are the consequences?
</mischief>
They are doing something FOR their country and as a consequence they have to hide it FROM their country.
Oh, sorry - one would need to define what a country is.
Hard to define these days, I'll skip that, isn't there doctores without borders, now this could be perverts without borders here.
My guess is that it's a conspiracy between "friends" to cover up heinous crimes against individuals done by perverts and signed off by "friends" looking into how the acts can be justified and found legal support for it.
But - this seems to work only if it happens secretly or some people would have their dreams disrupted and object.