Hmm, you make a good point about the RIAA not killing anyone. BUT... their music is getting to the point... at times, i'd rather be dead than listening to the shit they produce.;)
As an aside, and i hate to get all sarcastic here, but, when was the last time the people won over the corporate interest? Remember, we pay the taxes, but the corporations pay the congressmen.
I'm enjoying this opportunity to get a near-first post to voice my opinion about a topic i hold very near and dear to my heart. It's right there next to my American pride, and my severe freedom-loving disorder.
I think we should not be *discouraged* by this rediculous legislation. The RIAA will continue to trampel our rights to speech and expression as long as they are able to go after every single offender of these new laws. Once we achieve a critical mass greater than their lawyers can handle, they will no longer have the ability to force this legislation onto us.
This strategy of disregard for the American Way will stand as long as there are enough sheep out there buying every product the RIAA supplies them with.
The RIAA is amazingly better than Microsoft at manipulating the public. Not only is the RIAA trampeling our rights with this legislation, but they are raising our children to appreciate tasteless music. Once the youth of America grows up with no taste or preference for music, movies, or art, they will have no cause to stand up for their rights. There will be no reason to fight for the right to broadcast the music they like simply because they will have been trained to not like any particular music. There will be no impetus for creative expression once there is no example of creative expression.
The RIAA must be boycotted on a large scale. Do not buy your children the newest pop-craze. Do not pay royaltees for what is explicitly allowed in the copyright law. Do not succumb to the legislation that seeks to revoke and repeal the rights granted to us by the framers of the constitution.
Since everyone is on the terrorist bandwagon, i'd like to point something out: legislation of this sort (including the DMCA et al) is perhaps more anti-American than any terrorist organization could ever hope to be. While the terrorists are trying to fuck up our system from the outside, corporate interest is SUCCESSFULLY fucking it up from the inside.
THE RIAA IS CAUSING MORE HARM TO THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE THAN ANY TERRORIST ORGANIZATION COULD EVER DREAM TO.
This all begs the question: if Osama bin Laden is so rich, why doesn't he just hire a few lobbyists. It seems to work pretty well for the RIAA, MPAA, and others.
Wouldn't that be great? Someone (me?) should start a blacklist-blacklist to keep track of all the poorly maintained blacklists. "Well, that's a great idea, but what if..." That's exactly what i thought you'd ask. Of course, we could do this forever. Sometime circa 2055 we will live in a world with several "blacklist-blacklist-blacklist-blacklist-blacklist -blacklist-blacklist-blacklist-blacklist-blacklist -blacklists". When will it ever end? I'll tell you when: WHEN WE WISE UP AND FIX THE PROBLEM. Blacklists are pointless and worthless. Spammers are in the business of spamming. Block their IP, and it will be their FIRST PRIORITY to either have the IP removed from the blacklist, or to get a new IP address.
Want a public, anonymous, free, decentralized communication system? Accept certain truths about it. There will always be spam, there will always be chain letters, there will always be suckers who fall for them or otherwise propagate them. Is the system imperfect? Of course. Are spammers the problem? Of course not.
When Microsoft adds a "feature" to Outlook that spawns an entire legion of worms and viruses, do we slashdotters attack the virus writers? No (at least, not usually). We attack Microsoft for releasing such a vulnerable product, and we attack the users who execute every single attachment they recieve regardless of the sender or the context. By this SAME LOGIC, we should not be condemming the spammers -- they are the equivelant of the virus writers -- we should be condemming the e-mail infrastructure (which is as productive as condemming Microsoft -- see them listening? i dont) and we should be condemming these same users who support spammers by sending them money.
Some of you may want to tell me "stop complaining unless you can fix it" or perhaps you'd prefer the old "what else is there?" But this only dodges the issue. The issue here is not spam, it is not blacklists, it is not the e-mail infrastructure. The issue here is the users who give spammers money, and who propagate chain letters, and who run virus-ridden e-mail attachments. We need to be attacking these people who have no business using computers in the first place.
First of all, your crack-house metaphor is absurd. Secondly, your "if you dont like it, move" mentality is so amazingly worthless, I'm surprised i'm even taking the time to point it out.
Compaq's Western Research Lab has a project called Factoid which already implements what you describe. This project has been around the block a few times by now. Sorry to burst the bubble -- someone already thought of that -- but on the bright side, it was a really smart person, and the idea is still really really good. Check out Factoid here.
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Dude, it's freaking Skyfall Day! They actually had a block party for that sorta thing. I really wish some network would re-run the series again. it r00ld.
Yeah, i read all of the AUP and the TOS before signing up. I've forgotten most of the details. The gist of it was "dont fuck up". They didn't seem to harsh about servers, just as long as they're not commercial, or serving pirated data, or specifically an IRC server.
As far as the credit report thing goes, there should be laws restricting what type of evidence a company can use to give you "bad credit". Personally, i think it should be restricted to the user being repeatedly infected with DDoS trojans or other vandalous stuff (CodeRed, Melissa). They should penalize you for being incompetant. Like responsibility/competance credit. If you're irresponsible w/ your broadband, or not competant enough to protect yourself from the dangers of the internet, then you should have "bad credit". This credit system would work just like credit cards -- if you have "bad credit" then companies will charge you more for your broadband. Ultimately, if your "credit" is bad enough, no one will offer you service.
And just to be absolutely clear, this is an analogy to Visa/Mastercard credit stuff. Broadband and actual credit reports should be kept far apart.
Also to blame are the stupid idiots who have no business using computers in the first place. Nimda, CodeRed, CodeRed II, Melissa, I_LOVE_YOU, Gone.scr and that one that sends out your My Documents files are a few other reasons.
Do we really want these people to have big connections?
Technology can be dangerous. Those with the ability to widely distribute broadband should be wary of putting it in the hands of irresponsible people. Perhaps there should be a clause in the service agreement that they protect their systems from trojans and such or else face losing their connection. Maybe there should even be a credit-report style tracking system in place to enable ISPs to know who is a menace and charge them more money for a connection.
At this point, i think that neither broadband nor end users are mature enough to cooperate. Slow connections for Joe Sixpack, fast connections for Joe Sysadmin.
Sorry about my vulgarity and intensity, but i just got the butt end of a DDoS attack. Someone did a big DDoS attack using my ip address as the spoofed source for all the packets. Not only did it flood my feeble 1.5 Mb/s connection with SYN/ACK packets, but it got my ISP really pissed off. They were getting all kinds of threats of legal action. There was nothing anyone could do.
My point exactly. The developers are not interested in several types of potential user. This is a problem. This elitist mentality is what will keep Linux and other open source projects away from Joe Sixpack and his mother/grandmother. Microsoft is a marketing company. We (the open source community) should try to learn from some of their tactics. Microsoft doesn't care who you are -- but they still want you to use their software. If the developers aren't interested in entry-level developers, then they must be trying to convert people to Eclipse from another IDE. Don't you realize how hard that is? Just look at all the die-hard Macintosh fans.;)
Secondly, I can compile programs. Compiling an open source project is similar to buying a commercial app. It's an investment in time, rather than money. As with anything you would buy, you would evaluate the product to decide if it is worth its cost. Unless you're a company with a budget for such things, you would have to base this judgement on product literature. Having to compile and install Eclipse before judging weather or not you want to compile and install it is not just paradoxical -- it's plain stupid.
Furthermore, it's not that I can't deal w/ interdependancies, it's just that it can be a pain the ass sometimes. I am more than happy to install the dependancies of a program i intend to use. I generally dont like installing them before I know weather or not i'll ever use the app.
Finally, Eclipse is a GUI development environment. As such, a major part of it must be it's Graphical User Interface. A picture is worth a thousand words -- and you can look at a picture a lot quicker than you can read a thousand words. Your third point is a bit wacky. It's a GUI app. If i want to live in Vi, Emacs, Pico, or Ex all my life, then I'll never have to deal with this situation -- true. However, if I want to venture into the world of GUI development environments, i would at least like a taste before I go to the trouble of installing one.
A GUI development environment... WHERE ARE THE SCREENSHOTS?!?!?! I wanna smack the guy who thought of building an IDE and not having screenshots on the program's web site. What kind of bass ackwards logic is that? Sure, i can get like 50 different versions of the source code, but i can't see the interface until after I install the program? How am I supposed to know if it's worth the trouble of compiling it all? How am I supposed to know if I'll like the interface? I just don't get it.
Some of these open source projects really need to get their rear in gear and start trying to sell their stuff. And I don't mean sell it for money, i just mean convince people that they should use the program. How am I supposed to know if this program is right for me? Sometimes it seems like we (the open source community) go to the other extreme from Micro$oft. They focus 90% of their efforts on convincing you that their stuff is right for you, and only put like 10% effort into the actual product. Open source projects constantly produce better quality products than Microsoft, yet so many people still use MS-Crap. Pay a little less attention to who is reading your source code, and a little more attention to who is actually USING YOUR SOFTWARE.
Personally, I am not going to go through the TROUBLE of compiling Eclipse, or meeting all of the DEPENDANCY requirements of an RPM before I have a taste of the interface.
Why are we still entertaining "Is Linux Any Good?"-style articles? We know it's good! This is all part of someone's FUD machine, and I don't like it one bit. We need more optimistic articles like: "How Linux Survived the.com Crash".
Washer/Dryer on each floor with sandbox security on each appliance so your neighbor's kid cant throw dye in your wash. Until that, you can count me out.;)
I haven't heard much about the quality or reliability of these drives, but the price sure is right. Media is big and cheap and the speed seems OK too. If anyone has experience with these drives please post it.
Did you not get it, or did you just not find it funny? The joke is that she was pissed off about her kid being in an adult chat room, and she took it out on the Dept. of the Interior.
Oh well, i guess my humor is too advanced for you humans.:P
Little Timmy Lamberth, son of the honerable Judge Royce Lamberth, was caught in an adult-oriented internet chat room by his mother the night before this ruling.
(Royce Lamberth was the judge presiding over this case, btw.)
Will their "hubs" (or whatever they use) be liquidated and turned into cash, or will the stuff all be left on the light-poles? Can people go and grab those things now, and reverse-engineer them, and build a new ricochet network, guerilla-style? Heh, if they were in my area, i'd be seriously looking into cherry-picker-truck rentals.:)
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i too would like to know why it's funny.
you are dumb.
your mind is numb.
go to hell
you antisemetic bum.
Hmm, you make a good point about the RIAA not killing anyone. BUT... their music is getting to the point... at times, i'd rather be dead than listening to the shit they produce. ;)
As an aside, and i hate to get all sarcastic here, but, when was the last time the people won over the corporate interest? Remember, we pay the taxes, but the corporations pay the congressmen.
Sorry this sounds like such a rant. I really wanted to get it done before everyone and their brother had a chance to troll this story.
I'm enjoying this opportunity to get a near-first post to voice my opinion about a topic i hold very near and dear to my heart. It's right there next to my American pride, and my severe freedom-loving disorder.
I think we should not be *discouraged* by this rediculous legislation. The RIAA will continue to trampel our rights to speech and expression as long as they are able to go after every single offender of these new laws. Once we achieve a critical mass greater than their lawyers can handle, they will no longer have the ability to force this legislation onto us.
This strategy of disregard for the American Way will stand as long as there are enough sheep out there buying every product the RIAA supplies them with.
The RIAA is amazingly better than Microsoft at manipulating the public. Not only is the RIAA trampeling our rights with this legislation, but they are raising our children to appreciate tasteless music. Once the youth of America grows up with no taste or preference for music, movies, or art, they will have no cause to stand up for their rights. There will be no reason to fight for the right to broadcast the music they like simply because they will have been trained to not like any particular music. There will be no impetus for creative expression once there is no example of creative expression.
The RIAA must be boycotted on a large scale. Do not buy your children the newest pop-craze. Do not pay royaltees for what is explicitly allowed in the copyright law. Do not succumb to the legislation that seeks to revoke and repeal the rights granted to us by the framers of the constitution.
Since everyone is on the terrorist bandwagon, i'd like to point something out: legislation of this sort (including the DMCA et al) is perhaps more anti-American than any terrorist organization could ever hope to be. While the terrorists are trying to fuck up our system from the outside, corporate interest is SUCCESSFULLY fucking it up from the inside.
THE RIAA IS CAUSING MORE HARM TO THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE THAN ANY TERRORIST ORGANIZATION COULD EVER DREAM TO.
This all begs the question: if Osama bin Laden is so rich, why doesn't he just hire a few lobbyists. It seems to work pretty well for the RIAA, MPAA, and others.
Wouldn't that be great? Someone (me?) should start a blacklist-blacklist to keep track of all the poorly maintained blacklists. "Well, that's a great idea, but what if..." That's exactly what i thought you'd ask. Of course, we could do this forever. Sometime circa 2055 we will live in a world with several "blacklist-blacklist-blacklist-blacklist-blacklist -blacklist-blacklist-blacklist-blacklist-blacklist -blacklists". When will it ever end? I'll tell you when: WHEN WE WISE UP AND FIX THE PROBLEM. Blacklists are pointless and worthless. Spammers are in the business of spamming. Block their IP, and it will be their FIRST PRIORITY to either have the IP removed from the blacklist, or to get a new IP address.
:)
Want a public, anonymous, free, decentralized communication system? Accept certain truths about it. There will always be spam, there will always be chain letters, there will always be suckers who fall for them or otherwise propagate them. Is the system imperfect? Of course. Are spammers the problem? Of course not.
When Microsoft adds a "feature" to Outlook that spawns an entire legion of worms and viruses, do we slashdotters attack the virus writers? No (at least, not usually). We attack Microsoft for releasing such a vulnerable product, and we attack the users who execute every single attachment they recieve regardless of the sender or the context. By this SAME LOGIC, we should not be condemming the spammers -- they are the equivelant of the virus writers -- we should be condemming the e-mail infrastructure (which is as productive as condemming Microsoft -- see them listening? i dont) and we should be condemming these same users who support spammers by sending them money.
Some of you may want to tell me "stop complaining unless you can fix it" or perhaps you'd prefer the old "what else is there?" But this only dodges the issue. The issue here is not spam, it is not blacklists, it is not the e-mail infrastructure. The issue here is the users who give spammers money, and who propagate chain letters, and who run virus-ridden e-mail attachments. We need to be attacking these people who have no business using computers in the first place.
Elitist for life.
Your logic is... fuzzy.
First of all, your crack-house metaphor is absurd. Secondly, your "if you dont like it, move" mentality is so amazingly worthless, I'm surprised i'm even taking the time to point it out.
If you don't like it, try to make it better.
Compaq's Western Research Lab has a project called Factoid which already implements what you describe. This project has been around the block a few times by now. Sorry to burst the bubble -- someone already thought of that -- but on the bright side, it was a really smart person, and the idea is still really really good. Check out Factoid here.
It is invented. Knowledge is discovered. Technology isn't.
Dude, it's freaking Skyfall Day! They actually had a block party for that sorta thing. I really wish some network would re-run the series again. it r00ld.
Good point. I stand corrected. Sorry about the confusion.
:)
Yeah, i read all of the AUP and the TOS before signing up. I've forgotten most of the details. The gist of it was "dont fuck up". They didn't seem to harsh about servers, just as long as they're not commercial, or serving pirated data, or specifically an IRC server.
As far as the credit report thing goes, there should be laws restricting what type of evidence a company can use to give you "bad credit". Personally, i think it should be restricted to the user being repeatedly infected with DDoS trojans or other vandalous stuff (CodeRed, Melissa). They should penalize you for being incompetant. Like responsibility/competance credit. If you're irresponsible w/ your broadband, or not competant enough to protect yourself from the dangers of the internet, then you should have "bad credit". This credit system would work just like credit cards -- if you have "bad credit" then companies will charge you more for your broadband. Ultimately, if your "credit" is bad enough, no one will offer you service.
And just to be absolutely clear, this is an analogy to Visa/Mastercard credit stuff. Broadband and actual credit reports should be kept far apart.
Also to blame are the stupid idiots who have no business using computers in the first place. Nimda, CodeRed, CodeRed II, Melissa, I_LOVE_YOU, Gone.scr and that one that sends out your My Documents files are a few other reasons.
Do we really want these people to have big connections?
Technology can be dangerous. Those with the ability to widely distribute broadband should be wary of putting it in the hands of irresponsible people. Perhaps there should be a clause in the service agreement that they protect their systems from trojans and such or else face losing their connection. Maybe there should even be a credit-report style tracking system in place to enable ISPs to know who is a menace and charge them more money for a connection.
At this point, i think that neither broadband nor end users are mature enough to cooperate. Slow connections for Joe Sixpack, fast connections for Joe Sysadmin.
Sorry about my vulgarity and intensity, but i just got the butt end of a DDoS attack. Someone did a big DDoS attack using my ip address as the spoofed source for all the packets. Not only did it flood my feeble 1.5 Mb/s connection with SYN/ACK packets, but it got my ISP really pissed off. They were getting all kinds of threats of legal action. There was nothing anyone could do.
My point exactly. The developers are not interested in several types of potential user. This is a problem. This elitist mentality is what will keep Linux and other open source projects away from Joe Sixpack and his mother/grandmother. Microsoft is a marketing company. We (the open source community) should try to learn from some of their tactics. Microsoft doesn't care who you are -- but they still want you to use their software. If the developers aren't interested in entry-level developers, then they must be trying to convert people to Eclipse from another IDE. Don't you realize how hard that is? Just look at all the die-hard Macintosh fans. ;)
Secondly, I can compile programs. Compiling an open source project is similar to buying a commercial app. It's an investment in time, rather than money. As with anything you would buy, you would evaluate the product to decide if it is worth its cost. Unless you're a company with a budget for such things, you would have to base this judgement on product literature. Having to compile and install Eclipse before judging weather or not you want to compile and install it is not just paradoxical -- it's plain stupid.
Furthermore, it's not that I can't deal w/ interdependancies, it's just that it can be a pain the ass sometimes. I am more than happy to install the dependancies of a program i intend to use. I generally dont like installing them before I know weather or not i'll ever use the app.
Finally, Eclipse is a GUI development environment. As such, a major part of it must be it's Graphical User Interface. A picture is worth a thousand words -- and you can look at a picture a lot quicker than you can read a thousand words. Your third point is a bit wacky. It's a GUI app. If i want to live in Vi, Emacs, Pico, or Ex all my life, then I'll never have to deal with this situation -- true. However, if I want to venture into the world of GUI development environments, i would at least like a taste before I go to the trouble of installing one.
A GUI development environment... WHERE ARE THE SCREENSHOTS?!?!?! I wanna smack the guy who thought of building an IDE and not having screenshots on the program's web site. What kind of bass ackwards logic is that? Sure, i can get like 50 different versions of the source code, but i can't see the interface until after I install the program? How am I supposed to know if it's worth the trouble of compiling it all? How am I supposed to know if I'll like the interface? I just don't get it.
Some of these open source projects really need to get their rear in gear and start trying to sell their stuff. And I don't mean sell it for money, i just mean convince people that they should use the program. How am I supposed to know if this program is right for me? Sometimes it seems like we (the open source community) go to the other extreme from Micro$oft. They focus 90% of their efforts on convincing you that their stuff is right for you, and only put like 10% effort into the actual product. Open source projects constantly produce better quality products than Microsoft, yet so many people still use MS-Crap. Pay a little less attention to who is reading your source code, and a little more attention to who is actually USING YOUR SOFTWARE.
Personally, I am not going to go through the TROUBLE of compiling Eclipse, or meeting all of the DEPENDANCY requirements of an RPM before I have a taste of the interface.
Why are we still entertaining "Is Linux Any Good?"-style articles? We know it's good! This is all part of someone's FUD machine, and I don't like it one bit. We need more optimistic articles like: "How Linux Survived the .com Crash".
Duh! In the graphic the caption on the Cinco De Mayo bar was labeled "Cindo De Mayo" not "Cinco De Mayo". Cindo!!! oh well. never mind.
Yes, the 5th of may, but what the hell is "Cindo de Mayo"???
Washer/Dryer on each floor with sandbox security on each appliance so your neighbor's kid cant throw dye in your wash. Until that, you can count me out. ;)
I haven't heard much about the quality or reliability of these drives, but the price sure is right. Media is big and cheap and the speed seems OK too. If anyone has experience with these drives please post it.
Did you not get it, or did you just not find it funny? The joke is that she was pissed off about her kid being in an adult chat room, and she took it out on the Dept. of the Interior.
:P
Oh well, i guess my humor is too advanced for you humans.
Little Timmy Lamberth, son of the honerable Judge Royce Lamberth, was caught in an adult-oriented internet chat room by his mother the night before this ruling.
(Royce Lamberth was the judge presiding over this case, btw.)
Don't blame us...
We just build the houses. Tell the wind to stop knocking them down.
Microsoft is a marketing company. If you expect a them to make stable/secure software, you're crazy.
Will their "hubs" (or whatever they use) be liquidated and turned into cash, or will the stuff all be left on the light-poles? Can people go and grab those things now, and reverse-engineer them, and build a new ricochet network, guerilla-style? Heh, if they were in my area, i'd be seriously looking into cherry-picker-truck rentals. :)
Military-Industrial-Oedipal complex. Thank you, Onion, for that one.