I would not be comfortable with any police force (or military for that matter) from *any* country arresting anyone in *any other* country. I think extradition treaties are there for a reason, but even then extradtion orders are supposedly carried out by the local LEO on behalf of the requesting LEO.
And *even* then, there should be a close oversight on this, to prevent things like the Dotcom scandal. Anything else seems like a slipper slope.. obviously I'm not comfortable as this is already happening (and has been for who knows how long). Slippery slope indeed..
Honest quesiton. I do not have any RV price knwoledge, but I'm interested in what you mentioned. Having all the features you describe sounds pretty cool to have.
----------------- #152037 +(3230)- [X] dm> I discovered that you'd never get an answer to a problem from Linux Gurus by asking. You have to troll in order for someone to help you with a Linux problem. dm> For example, I didn't know how to find files by contents and the man pages were way too confusing. What did I do? I knew from experience that if I just asked, I'd be told to read the man pages even though it was too hard for me. dm> Instead, I did what works. Trolling. By stating that Linux sucked because it was so hard to find a file compared to Windows, I got every self-described Linux Guru around the world coming to my aid. They gave me examples after examples of different ways to do it. All this in order to prove to everyone that Linux was better. * ion has quit IRC (Ping timeout) dm> brings a tear to my eye...:') so true.. dm> So if you're starting out Linux, I advise you to use the same method as I did to get help. Start the sentence with "Linux is gay because it can't do XXX like Windows can". You will have PhDs running to tell you how to solve your problems. dm> this person must be a kindred spirit of mine -------------
Really...most questions are answered with: "so you are lazy and don't/won't try to figure X out, so you come to Slashdot for us to do your job" and so forth. But look at this thread. TONS of useful answers whatnot. This is why I love/.:)
Great! an even more specific response. This is why I love/., at somepoint *someone* has been there, or at least close enough, to give a realistic answer. If I had mod points (and hadn't posted yet) I'd give you some:)
Wow, so they keep adding space to their facilities to add more and more supercomputers? it figures that they use it at least that long, and of course i would guess that lower priority projects get moved to the "obsolete" machines, as the big guns are moved to the newest and latest, but at some point you have to discard them. SO are they absolutely of no use after 10 years or so?
Thanks for the answer AC, I really had no idea about the life span of one of these monsters.
Seriously, if they are migrating to new supercomputers, what, each year or two, what are they doing with the "scraps"? Do they refurbish them to be used elsewhere? do they sell them as "used goods" to other companies?
I can imagine taking quite a bit of time to install/uninstall such installations, so if its going to stay 2 years and it takes 3 months to setup/remove, are the installation/uninstallation crews constantly on site? or maybe it takes much less time to do so?
does anyone has any idea on this? I mean, that's a lot of stuff to "just" throw away when upgrading. Something useful must be done with the "obsolete" equipment, no?
Point well taken. But how about (and I have absolutely no idea if these companies you mentioned tried anything liked thir or not), releasing "version lines", so you actively maintain and fix bugs for v1 line, and sell v2. Or maybe as another poster said, which I know would amount to crippleware to some extent, but that's another discussion, have some "freemium" approach in that v1 is the same as v2 bugs-wise, but not feature-wise. So you backport to v1 all the bug fixes you...uhmm..fix.. in v2, except of course those which have something to do with an unsupported feature.
Of course this means solving a host of other problems, considering you have to keep two similar-yet-different codebases, still, I'm interested in what you think of this. Maybe as you say, him alone could not handle it, but may be a small team could?
I mean, there *must* be some way of satisfying both needs of what I would say is a big group of developers, wanting to contribute their grain of salt but not completely ready to embrace full-blown oper-source models. Or are we coming to a point where you basically have no real choice (regarding successful penetration in the market) between going RH style open source or traditional closed source? is there really no other viable way of doing this? (and I ask sincerely, no sacarsm intended)
Ethically you want to do what is closest to your heart if you will, but unfortunately you need to eat, and usually this involves doing the opposite of ethical (or at least far from what the ideal-ethics tell you)
So I propose this. How about you release version 1.0 and 1.5 for example (or 1.0 and 2.0 or something) as regular closed-source software, and then when the next version comes out, you release the previous one as open source (e.g. release 1.0 and 2.0 for pay, when you release 3.0 for licensing you release at the same time v1.0 as open source)
Of course this would mean that you would have to have a road map for what you plan to introduce to your software along the years, so its easier to establish which version is to be safely released as open source without it hurting your paying customers. So, I think you would have to make significant changes and upgrades along the life of your software so it stays competitive and entices costumers to keep upgrading instead of waiting for the open source version, or in the case where the user doesn't really need the "greatest and latest" he could fallback to v1.0.
Disclaimer: I haven't actually put to work something like this, and actually this is an idea I believe I read here on Slashdot as it is, but I think, if not directly useful to you, could give you an idea of a "hybrid" approach, where certain functionality is still closed source as it requires the most of your time (so it costs more) but you still have the open version to maybe encourage some devs to take interest in this framework, or at least show your clientele that you really care about open source however economically infeasible it is for you.
I would say its on the same line of thought as "pay-what-you-think-its-worth" for games like World of Goo and such. You could effectively buy it for 1 dollar, but like me, a lot of people thought it was really nice of them to do this and since I actually enjoyed the game a lot, I payed like 15 or 20 USD (the original price). And even use that as a marketing tool.
Beyond the obvious fact that we will never know for sure who actually created it, it seems pretty naive to think a US 'cyber analyst' would say or even think anything different. After all Israel is a close US ally so it isn't like they would be interested in "telling the truth". It's like the boy who punches the other boy behind the teacher's back, of course he is not going to rat itself.
So how is this a credible source? Maybe if it came from a team of international security researchers with evidence or something I would deem it a valuable piece of analysis.
I kinda see this "research" as the ones conducted by Microsoft to evaluate IE, or Google to do so with Chrome and, oh surprise, they always come ahead. More like a political thing to say than any actual useful information or analysis being brought to light.
I believe I have heard this from different people at different times...but, sadly, no one is indispensable. We all like to think that because we have more knowledge and wisdom gotten after X years of doing something well above average, we are indispensable.
We are not. If someone is put in my (or anyone else's place) it would certaincly be challenging, but not impossible. Most of us actually like when we are put aganist this type of challenge...no?
Well, to be fair, I wouldn't consider the guys(or girls?) that broke into Sony to be in the same category/class as GeoHot. I would say GH as no finacial interest in hacking some hardware pieces, but instead genuine knowledge interest in how it works, how to make do something it was not designed to do, etc. The other guys would just want to crack the safe, steal the goods, and get out.
How is it that you would see a causation there? If some GeoHot supporters would break into Sony, I believe it would be best for them to only deface their website or stuff like that, maybe even point out their security flaws, publishing how easy it is to get credit card numbers and personal data, etc, but NOT stealing them, since that would backfire into precisely what Sony wants the general public to think of GH, that he is a "menace to society" in that his knowledge is used for evil.
If anything, it's very bad that people make that connection, as it would put GH and the likes of him in a very bad light, which is exactly the opposite of what he advocates for (not piracy, but knowledge, etc).
No?
Where I come from there's a saying that goes like "It's very expensive to be poor".
Exactly what you are describing. Certain vicious circles you really can't get out of, unless...you get out of it. It's very sad. Something similar happens a lot (at least in a third world country like Mexico, my homecountry) with health. If you are poor and get sick, you can't afford the medicine and/or resting to get better... so you go sick to work, thus you get frowned upon because you obviously aren't as productive as if you were healthy. Also, since you can't afford good medicine (or any medicine for that matter) you get sicker and sicker, and at some point you either lose your job, or start living one hell of a life going to work every day with back pain, migraine, infections, diarrhea, etc. you get the picture.
I once met a dermatologist, all plush-style and stuff, nice office, charged high fees, lots of diplomas and studies, and yet he worked part time at the local Social Security hospital. I asked him why would you do that if you have this nice office to work with. His answer? "You really have no idea how much knowledge I get from treating people who can't afford to go to a private doctor." "Really? how come?", "Well, you see, when you have say, an ear infection, you come with me, I treat you and that's that. However, low-income people can't get it treated, so I get to see ear infections that have been sitting untreated for YEARS. Along with a host of other problems like malnourishment, an army of doctors that gave them the wrong pills, too much stress and long working hours, etc etc.
"It's very expensive to be poor" is a saying that will stay with me for the rest of mi life.
Actually, wars are very profitable nowadays. Even more so than before as I see it.
In ye olden days you got the loot, some land, some slaves, tributes...and that's about it. Today you get to run a full military-industrial complex for years. Besides the oil and other "loot" you might get, you also get a lot of political power, influence over other nation's economies, a boost to your own. You can even get some political and control advantage at home 'cause you get to have more leverage in passing unpopular laws (e.g. anti-terrorist laws, increased airport/seaport/land security laws, privacy-invading laws, etc).
I've even read a few articles/opinions that state that most of the US economy nowadays is partially direct and very much so indirectly dependent on wars. And it makes sense if you do a bit of research on the 50+ wars and conflicts the US has been in in the past century. Where do you think that humongous Defense budget goes? I find it very hard to believe that the DoD is stock-piling wads of cash. In war-time you get the huge advantage of being able to leverage people's fear into paying more war-related taxes or just getting general approval for increasing the DoD's budget. That money in turn gets spent on hundreds of thousands of soldiers, defense contractor's employees, etc. This in turn activates the economy because people have more money to spend, and so on.
I'm not sure about it, but I've even heard about how WW2 helped the US get out of the Great Depression among other factors.
So yes, I believe Wars are VERY profitable nowadays.
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I'm sure the guys who did this project are proud of what they pulled off, and it's probably a neat hack, but I have to assume they are sort of operating in a vacuum if they think they have really invented something newsworthy.
Why do new hacks/inventions/ideas have to be "100% OMGZZ SUPER REVOLUTIONARY NEXT BEST THING EVAH!!!1111!" or they are completely worthless not-newsworthy things around/.?
It's been said before, I know, but, can't we get to clap our hands, if only a bit, also for evolutionary things? improvements upon improvements instead of just praising THE NEXT BEST THING (tm)? What you saw was much more impressive, probably. But this "neat hack" might help pave the way *alongside* this single-sensor thing to advance this technology, instead of fighting against it.
We *all* benefit from seeing different approaches to things, even if they are less efficient/impressive/obvious/useful etc. No?
The universe is big, but not arbitrarily powerful where you can just ascribe all sorts of amazing abilities, like the ability to remember every state it's ever been in. Too much.
But still, isn't a lot of research done for the very reason "because I can"? It's even repeated ad nauseaum in/, e.g. when someone asks the very same question about a Lego printer...or other similar things.
I read a lot of posts saying this is the worst way to transmit data, the most idiotic idea ever, etc etc....ok, so what if it is? They are doing it "because they can". How many useful things have come out from research done for this very same reason? and even if nothing comes out of it, they at least got the kicks of doing it...maybe even learned part of what's needed to do "X over Y". No?
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...then how can we even know if there is a potential miscarriage of justice?
I don't think we can or ever will... even if I hope we do.
I would not be comfortable with any police force (or military for that matter) from *any* country arresting anyone in *any other* country. I think extradition treaties are there for a reason, but even then extradtion orders are supposedly carried out by the local LEO on behalf of the requesting LEO.
And *even* then, there should be a close oversight on this, to prevent things like the Dotcom scandal. Anything else seems like a slipper slope.. obviously I'm not comfortable as this is already happening (and has been for who knows how long). Slippery slope indeed..
Nice!
Thanks.
And the name/model of this RV is?
Honest quesiton. I do not have any RV price knwoledge, but I'm interested in what you mentioned. Having all the features you describe sounds pretty cool to have.
This whole thread reads like this bash.org quote :
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dm> I discovered that you'd never get an answer to a problem from Linux Gurus by asking. You have to troll in order for someone to help you with a Linux problem.
dm> For example, I didn't know how to find files by contents and the man pages were way too confusing. What did I do? I knew from experience that if I just asked, I'd be told to read the man pages even though it was too hard for me.
dm> Instead, I did what works. Trolling. By stating that Linux sucked because it was so hard to find a file compared to Windows, I got every self-described Linux Guru around the world coming to my aid. They gave me examples after examples of different ways to do it. All this in order to prove to everyone that Linux was better.
* ion has quit IRC (Ping timeout)
dm> brings a tear to my eye...
dm> So if you're starting out Linux, I advise you to use the same method as I did to get help. Start the sentence with "Linux is gay because it can't do XXX like Windows can". You will have PhDs running to tell you how to solve your problems.
dm> this person must be a kindred spirit of mine
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Really...most questions are answered with: "so you are lazy and don't/won't try to figure X out, so you come to Slashdot for us to do your job" and so forth. But look at this thread. TONS of useful answers whatnot. This is why I love /. :)
Great! an even more specific response. This is why I love /., at somepoint *someone* has been there, or at least close enough, to give a realistic answer. If I had mod points (and hadn't posted yet) I'd give you some :)
Wow, so they keep adding space to their facilities to add more and more supercomputers? it figures that they use it at least that long, and of course i would guess that lower priority projects get moved to the "obsolete" machines, as the big guns are moved to the newest and latest, but at some point you have to discard them. SO are they absolutely of no use after 10 years or so?
Thanks for the answer AC, I really had no idea about the life span of one of these monsters.
Seriously, if they are migrating to new supercomputers, what, each year or two, what are they doing with the "scraps"? Do they refurbish them to be used elsewhere? do they sell them as "used goods" to other companies?
I can imagine taking quite a bit of time to install/uninstall such installations, so if its going to stay 2 years and it takes 3 months to setup/remove, are the installation/uninstallation crews constantly on site? or maybe it takes much less time to do so?
does anyone has any idea on this? I mean, that's a lot of stuff to "just" throw away when upgrading. Something useful must be done with the "obsolete" equipment, no?
Point well taken. But how about (and I have absolutely no idea if these companies you mentioned tried anything liked thir or not), releasing "version lines", so you actively maintain and fix bugs for v1 line, and sell v2. Or maybe as another poster said, which I know would amount to crippleware to some extent, but that's another discussion, have some "freemium" approach in that v1 is the same as v2 bugs-wise, but not feature-wise. So you backport to v1 all the bug fixes you...uhmm..fix.. in v2, except of course those which have something to do with an unsupported feature.
Of course this means solving a host of other problems, considering you have to keep two similar-yet-different codebases, still, I'm interested in what you think of this. Maybe as you say, him alone could not handle it, but may be a small team could?
I mean, there *must* be some way of satisfying both needs of what I would say is a big group of developers, wanting to contribute their grain of salt but not completely ready to embrace full-blown oper-source models. Or are we coming to a point where you basically have no real choice (regarding successful penetration in the market) between going RH style open source or traditional closed source? is there really no other viable way of doing this? (and I ask sincerely, no sacarsm intended)
I believe parent has nailed it.
Ethically you want to do what is closest to your heart if you will, but unfortunately you need to eat, and usually this involves doing the opposite of ethical (or at least far from what the ideal-ethics tell you)
So I propose this. How about you release version 1.0 and 1.5 for example (or 1.0 and 2.0 or something) as regular closed-source software, and then when the next version comes out, you release the previous one as open source (e.g. release 1.0 and 2.0 for pay, when you release 3.0 for licensing you release at the same time v1.0 as open source)
Of course this would mean that you would have to have a road map for what you plan to introduce to your software along the years, so its easier to establish which version is to be safely released as open source without it hurting your paying customers. So, I think you would have to make significant changes and upgrades along the life of your software so it stays competitive and entices costumers to keep upgrading instead of waiting for the open source version, or in the case where the user doesn't really need the "greatest and latest" he could fallback to v1.0.
Disclaimer: I haven't actually put to work something like this, and actually this is an idea I believe I read here on Slashdot as it is, but I think, if not directly useful to you, could give you an idea of a "hybrid" approach, where certain functionality is still closed source as it requires the most of your time (so it costs more) but you still have the open version to maybe encourage some devs to take interest in this framework, or at least show your clientele that you really care about open source however economically infeasible it is for you.
I would say its on the same line of thought as "pay-what-you-think-its-worth" for games like World of Goo and such. You could effectively buy it for 1 dollar, but like me, a lot of people thought it was really nice of them to do this and since I actually enjoyed the game a lot, I payed like 15 or 20 USD (the original price). And even use that as a marketing tool.
Just my 2 bytes...I mean cents.
Is it just me or does anyone else think congress people spend way too much tax-payers money coming up with these bill names.
I mean, come on: PROTECT IP, PRECISE, etc etc. It almost seems as if they would get together to discuss the naming instead of the actual bill content.
No?
Beyond the obvious fact that we will never know for sure who actually created it, it seems pretty naive to think a US 'cyber analyst' would say or even think anything different. After all Israel is a close US ally so it isn't like they would be interested in "telling the truth". It's like the boy who punches the other boy behind the teacher's back, of course he is not going to rat itself.
So how is this a credible source? Maybe if it came from a team of international security researchers with evidence or something I would deem it a valuable piece of analysis.
I kinda see this "research" as the ones conducted by Microsoft to evaluate IE, or Google to do so with Chrome and, oh surprise, they always come ahead. More like a political thing to say than any actual useful information or analysis being brought to light.
Veracruz is not on that side of Mexico (the Gulf is on the left side on this video).
That would be, if still in Mexico, more like Oaxaca or even Chiapas. If indeed its even more to the south, then Guatemala.
No, no. No?
Obviously we all welcome our new bacterial overlords, no?
Anyone with free invites for one saganus00 -a-t- g-e-e-m-a-i-l-.-c-o-m- ?
Thanks!
How about buying some TSA patdown free-pass with some of is miles?
It would be very cool if you could avoid some sexual harassment with your hard-earned miles no?
I believe I have heard this from different people at different times...but, sadly, no one is indispensable. We all like to think that because we have more knowledge and wisdom gotten after X years of doing something well above average, we are indispensable.
We are not. If someone is put in my (or anyone else's place) it would certaincly be challenging, but not impossible. Most of us actually like when we are put aganist this type of challenge...no?
Well, to be fair, I wouldn't consider the guys(or girls?) that broke into Sony to be in the same category/class as GeoHot. I would say GH as no finacial interest in hacking some hardware pieces, but instead genuine knowledge interest in how it works, how to make do something it was not designed to do, etc. The other guys would just want to crack the safe, steal the goods, and get out.
How is it that you would see a causation there? If some GeoHot supporters would break into Sony, I believe it would be best for them to only deface their website or stuff like that, maybe even point out their security flaws, publishing how easy it is to get credit card numbers and personal data, etc, but NOT stealing them, since that would backfire into precisely what Sony wants the general public to think of GH, that he is a "menace to society" in that his knowledge is used for evil.
If anything, it's very bad that people make that connection, as it would put GH and the likes of him in a very bad light, which is exactly the opposite of what he advocates for (not piracy, but knowledge, etc). No?
Now we just need to see if the ones who do NOT know what the fuck they are doing will let him work his magic...
Totally agreed.
Where I come from there's a saying that goes like "It's very expensive to be poor".
Exactly what you are describing. Certain vicious circles you really can't get out of, unless...you get out of it. It's very sad. Something similar happens a lot (at least in a third world country like Mexico, my homecountry) with health. If you are poor and get sick, you can't afford the medicine and/or resting to get better... so you go sick to work, thus you get frowned upon because you obviously aren't as productive as if you were healthy. Also, since you can't afford good medicine (or any medicine for that matter) you get sicker and sicker, and at some point you either lose your job, or start living one hell of a life going to work every day with back pain, migraine, infections, diarrhea, etc. you get the picture.
I once met a dermatologist, all plush-style and stuff, nice office, charged high fees, lots of diplomas and studies, and yet he worked part time at the local Social Security hospital. I asked him why would you do that if you have this nice office to work with. His answer? "You really have no idea how much knowledge I get from treating people who can't afford to go to a private doctor." "Really? how come?", "Well, you see, when you have say, an ear infection, you come with me, I treat you and that's that. However, low-income people can't get it treated, so I get to see ear infections that have been sitting untreated for YEARS. Along with a host of other problems like malnourishment, an army of doctors that gave them the wrong pills, too much stress and long working hours, etc etc.
"It's very expensive to be poor" is a saying that will stay with me for the rest of mi life.
Actually, wars are very profitable nowadays. Even more so than before as I see it.
In ye olden days you got the loot, some land, some slaves, tributes...and that's about it. Today you get to run a full military-industrial complex for years. Besides the oil and other "loot" you might get, you also get a lot of political power, influence over other nation's economies, a boost to your own. You can even get some political and control advantage at home 'cause you get to have more leverage in passing unpopular laws (e.g. anti-terrorist laws, increased airport/seaport/land security laws, privacy-invading laws, etc).
I've even read a few articles/opinions that state that most of the US economy nowadays is partially direct and very much so indirectly dependent on wars. And it makes sense if you do a bit of research on the 50+ wars and conflicts the US has been in in the past century. Where do you think that humongous Defense budget goes? I find it very hard to believe that the DoD is stock-piling wads of cash. In war-time you get the huge advantage of being able to leverage people's fear into paying more war-related taxes or just getting general approval for increasing the DoD's budget. That money in turn gets spent on hundreds of thousands of soldiers, defense contractor's employees, etc. This in turn activates the economy because people have more money to spend, and so on.
I'm not sure about it, but I've even heard about how WW2 helped the US get out of the Great Depression among other factors.
So yes, I believe Wars are VERY profitable nowadays.
I'm sure the guys who did this project are proud of what they pulled off, and it's probably a neat hack, but I have to assume they are sort of operating in a vacuum if they think they have really invented something newsworthy.
Why do new hacks/inventions/ideas have to be "100% OMGZZ SUPER REVOLUTIONARY NEXT BEST THING EVAH!!!1111!" or they are completely worthless not-newsworthy things around /.?
It's been said before, I know, but, can't we get to clap our hands, if only a bit, also for evolutionary things? improvements upon improvements instead of just praising THE NEXT BEST THING (tm)? What you saw was much more impressive, probably. But this "neat hack" might help pave the way *alongside* this single-sensor thing to advance this technology, instead of fighting against it.
We *all* benefit from seeing different approaches to things, even if they are less efficient/impressive/obvious/useful etc. No?
The universe is big, but not arbitrarily powerful where you can just ascribe all sorts of amazing abilities, like the ability to remember every state it's ever been in. Too much.
Why? What's stopping it from doing what you say?
You are probably right.
/, e.g. when someone asks the very same question about a Lego printer...or other similar things.
But still, isn't a lot of research done for the very reason "because I can"? It's even repeated ad nauseaum in
I read a lot of posts saying this is the worst way to transmit data, the most idiotic idea ever, etc etc....ok, so what if it is? They are doing it "because they can". How many useful things have come out from research done for this very same reason? and even if nothing comes out of it, they at least got the kicks of doing it...maybe even learned part of what's needed to do "X over Y". No?