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Gut Bacteria Exert Mind Control
sciencehabit writes "Hundreds of species of bacteria call the human gut their home. This gut 'microbiome' influences our physiology and health in ways that scientists are only beginning to understand. Now, a new study suggests that gut bacteria can even mess with the mind, altering brain chemistry and changing mood and behavior (abstract)."
got me frist post
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasites_Lost
No sooner do I get over one, then you put a better one right next to me. Bastards.
I, for one, welcome our microscopic overlords.
Obviously we all welcome our new bacterial overlords, no?
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Or maybe the mice just felt good after having taken a really satisfying dump.
Brain: Are you pondering what I'm pondering?
Pinky: Uh, I think so, Brain, but burlap chafes me so. NARF!
I liked the bit where they cut the vagus nerve. Before I got to that point in TFA, I was thinking "Well sure, rats fed lactobacillus will have lower stress levels! Life isn't as stressful when you poop good!"
..you know someone was gonna say it
Look back up at my post, now look back down, you're on the Internet. Now look back up. I'm a signature.
The assumption that I posses a mysterious "free will" that is somehow divorced from cause and effect(except in that it causes me to act) is simply too convenient to abandon!
There is far more serotonin present in your gut than in your skull.
but I just had this gut feeling that something bad would happen if I didn't.
help me i've cloned myself and can't remember which one I am
"You are full of crap!"
Is this why I get angry when I haven't eaten?
How long until someone tries the "It was the bacteria that made me do it, so I am not culpable" defence in court?
In scarier thoughts, how long until it works?
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... how White Castle has stayed in business for 90+ years...
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So the spleen is the seat of emotions after all?
http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/anxietydepression/a/EmotionsTCM.htm
Then forget the Zoloft, gimme my strawberry-banana yogursicle.
I started taking a probiotic supplement yesterday (that contains Lactobacillus), how long until I'm under control?
...I feel like an American!
No wait...
What this world is coming to - is for you and me to decide.
There are millions of people every day dependent upon manufactured medications to maintain mental function, and millions more who are taking medication because someone else thinks they need mental function adjustement. Those medications are, for the most part, administered orally.
What, does it surprise anyone that a bacterium producing a mind altering compound in the gut would have that compound absorbed and transported via the bloodstream, when we depend on exactly that transport method for manufactured drugs?
if one eats crap....
as for mind pollution; if we weren't poisoning ourselves voluntarily, we could be forced to watch more mainstream media hypenosys.
disarm (weapons, media, atmostfearinc etc...). tell the truth about everything. the only mathematically & spiritually correct options. see you there.
For years we've been taking the blame for our farting. Now, with this research, we can blame mind control!
And I'm not even kidding. These critters are indeed controlling our minds in flatulence. What more - or less - subtle means do they exercise?
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Okay, so what do I eat to get my metaclorian count up?
According to my acupuncturist, the Chinese have been using the gut-brain connection in the healing arts for about 5000 years. But what would they know compared to our few hundred years of research in Western medicine?
OK, it's worms instead of bacteria, but still....
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
Bacteria's first words.
"Eat Cheeseburgers, Eat Cheeseburgers, Eat Cheeseburgers, Eat Cheeseburgers, Eat Cheeseburgers"
When did /. become a tabloid? This has nothing to do with "mind control". Control implies intent and I am pretty sure that a bacteria in the digestive tract have no intent to "explore narrow walkways".
The bacteria makes the stomach feel better and the vagus nerve transmits this feeling to the brain thereby reducing stress. There is a funny thing about stress. The response to stress is not linear it is exponential. If someone under no stress has a little stress added they can deal with it. A person under a lot of stress has the same amount add it can push them over the edge. A good example of this is losing keys. If you are about to leave the house to go for a walk and cant find you keys it is not a problem; most people just delay the walk until they find their keys. Now lose your keys when you are trying to get to the airport with 4 excited children. That small stressor can drive you insane. Same stressor, different initial stress level, different response. So the stomach feeling good lowers stress levels and allows the rodent to handle added stress better. Animals under stress avoid stress.
Do bacteria in the digestive tract affect animals? Yes, by making them feel better and having less stress. Do bacteria in the digestive tract control the mind? No, that do not make animals do things they do not want to do.
This bacteria must interfere with possibly a combination of the Neuropeptides Y, S and CCK pathways. The CCK-4 neuropeptide is pretty nasty, it cause instant panic attack reliably at 75ug.
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How long until the Gut Bacteria Mind Control defense appears in a courtroom near you?
the Toxoplasma gondii in my gut would like to ask you to please lick the ass of the nearest cat.
Thank you for your cooperation.
There are more bacteria in our intestines than cells in the body, by some estimates. I was disappointed by this comment:
The findings "open up very exciting speculation" about using probiotics to treat mood disorders in people, says Emeran Mayer, a gastroenterologist at the University of California, Los Angeles.
The types of bacteria in one's intestines are highly dependent on the substrates available. A person who eats a vegetable-rich diet every day - especially grated carrots with salt and vinegar or jerusalem artichokes (rich source of the prebiotic carbohydrate inulin) - will have a totally different types of bacteria in their intestines than those who survive on Big Macs, Fries and carbonated beverages, with or without the probiotic supplement.
It's sorta like... growing a garden. If your plants don't have nutrients, they won't grow very big... But add the right kind of fertilizer, and they'll really take off.
Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly.
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I've always thought of Big Macs as being quite similar to fertilizer. Do you think they have some benefit?
"You don't believe in me," observed the Ghost.
"I don't." said Scrooge.
"What evidence would you have of my reality, beyond that of your senses?"
"I don't know," said Scrooge.
"Why do you doubt your senses?"
"Because," said Scrooge, "a little thing affects them. A slight disorder of the stomach makes them cheats. You may be an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of an underdone potato. There's more of gravy than of grave about you, whatever you are!"
I don't know what it is--but I get this gut feeling that I should eat one of those Elvis favorites: Deep-Fat-Fried Peanut Butter & Bannana sandwiches. I know it's horrible for me but... I can't explain it... it's just a gut feeling I get.
My gut tells me this story is complete nonsense. Yep, nothing to see here. Move along.
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It's spelled "midi-chlorians", dumbass. You don't have time for a .001 second Google search?
claims that we should "think with the gut" are validated!
It seems now that we're that much closer to making a love potion.
http://news.discovery.com/animals/parasite-makes-cat-urine-sexy-to-rats-110822.html In this example, the microorganism makes the rat attracted to cat urine, so it's reproductive cycle can advance. Very cool. Very creepy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostess_(short_story)
I am grumpy when I am constipated.
Try reading Vitals by Greg Bear.
Dude! I saw that on Futurama like two years ago.
Remember how Fry got all smart and shit?
... and it's a bunch of gut bacteria. Well, somehow it figures with all the shit that's been happening lately.
"I love my job, but I hate talking to people like you" (Freddie Mercury)
Both the examples of less stress involved the mice being less fearful. Wouldn't that make sense, in an evolution sense for the bacteria? Mice with less fear get eaten, by something that will then host the bacteria that reduce fear in their host, so that host will get eaten...
We are what we digest.
This was very much my experience with Crohn's disease.
Well actually, it turned out not to be Crohn's, but a rare type of cancer called an gastronoma, but that's kind of an aside.
What I found is that the mind-gut connection is a two way street. ... your mind starts to react as if stress were the cause.
You know how your gut gets all twisted and you get the shits, nausea, etc when you are *really* stressed out?
Well if that shit happens (no pun intended) on the regular
I had almost no stress (other than the health stuff, which we didn't know was a big deal until the end -- just in time, actually). I just thought I had Crohn's disease, which I had medicine for and wasn't particularly stressed over, but my gut was twisting and wretching day in and day out, and I had this ill-defined sense of dread and anxiety. Couldn't tell you why, but I was definitely stressed about ... something ...
In any case, I believe it. Your moods, are very much intimately intertwined with how your digestive tract. More than people usually realize I think.
"Great, Chewie, always thinking with your stomach!"
Don't make me hungry. ...
You wouldn't like me when I'm hungry.
Oh Crap, what if my consciousness is actually the gut bacteria!!! Yikes we're all gut bacteria brain slaves!!
So you're NOT really an asshole..
Just your gut bactiera are.
Did anyone see the latest Doctor Who? I mean, how timely is this?
Someone mentioned it already, but that old saying "you are what you eat" might have some really deep truth in it. It also reminds of those Asian "body & mind are one" teachings many practitioners of modern scientific medicine like to laugh about.
Anecdotal evidence as observed in people around me: lots of sweets > whiny, anxious; vegetarian > nervous, grumbly; lots of animal fats > aggressive, superficial; lots of fruit > funny, clown.
Gut bacteria created homo sapiens to carry it between the refrigerator, the sofa in front of the TV and the toilet.
Have gnu, will travel.
Now I know where that "Gut Feeling" comes from.
I started taking a probiotic supplement yesterday (that contains Lactobacillus), how long until I'm under control?
You already are... you were under their control right before you got the probiotic supplement (which they caused you to get and take) <EG>
See... while it's true bacteria at the console (gut) can effect mind control, there is a SSH equivalent as well (remote mind control)
I get grouchy when I'm hungry.
dyspepsia makes me frown, diarrhea makes me run. low blood sugar gets me down, full stomach, well, I'm done.
Keep Doing Good.
But I can't remember what it was called. Pretty good book though!
First, which law of thermodynamics?
Second, your lack of understanding doesn't mean that it's based on "magic happened".
If you're talking about the 2nd law, then it's a reasonably obvious (in hindsight) conclusion based on the fact that there are way, way, way more unordered states to be in than there are highly ordered states. Think of a system consisting of a two compartments isolated by a wall with a hole in it. Image the distribution of a gas in such a system. How many ways are there for the distribution of gas to be 0%:100% rather than roughly 50%:50%? Assuming that molecules move randomly, which state do you think the system will tend to, on average? (We're assuming the system is closed, i.e. that is that no energy is being introduced nor removed from the system.)
(Btw, it's also a statistical law, which means that, yes, it there can be local 'violations' of it.)
And this post got you the fuckwit of the month prize! well done!
Which microbes?
All the vegans i've ever known (and i've know a lot of them and i was one myself for 14 years) showed much less sign of food-related craziness than habitual junk food eaters do.
cite some actual sources for this line of what sounds suspiciously like zealotry please?
Don't tell the Ga'ould they are bacteria, they might not like it, and send their troops after you!
For example the amount of sugar that goes into the blood is dependent on how much gets digested by bacteria. Sugar is obviously mood-altering (look at small children to see rather obvious effects).
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Of the one hundred billion cells in the "human body," more than 90% of them are bacteria. ;-)
Of all the DNA encoded in the human body, 99.1% of it non-human.
Of course, there is no way all that bacterial stuff can override the human cells because ummmm, uh, human cells 'think different.'
I could almost believe humans evolved for the purpose of transporting bacteria around~
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I don't think so. Because it clearly states that it affects anxiety/depression states. And it is not related to whether the animal is hungry or not. So you cannot say it has elevated anxiety/stress because of starvation. The presence of this microflora alters the mood.
Anecdotal 'evidence' of the effects of diet on how other people seemed from 'his life' is not evidence at all.
I know, I know, do not feed the trolls, even the more retarded ones.
That is that the SPIRIT of ye olden days is the BACTERIA, the invisible passenger of the human body.
The afterlife would be your spirit (consciousness of BACTERIA) transitioning from one host to another (so it means we gain spirit when lactobacili are transferred to us by mother's milk, by implication).
Amazing isn't it ? Also, I don't know what amount of biosphere they make up by mass, but I guess we multi-cellulars are not very impactful all in all. :D
I have nothing to lose but my bindings.
The difference with losing the keys in both scenarios is the gravity of the consequences.
"same stressor, different context"
Comparing the two scenarios is like comparing someone giving you your keys to someone crucifying you with your keys.
In both scenarios the keys are in your hands. One is much more painful.
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