The problem with this topic, is that there is no way to be over the top. No matter how much you exaggerate a ludicrous point, there are those who say the same thing, but are serious. I'm waiting to see my post end up being submitted as evidence in the DeCSS case by the prosecution:)
The unfairly moded poster got it right, you asked for this yourselves. I'm suprised you have been tolerated as long as you have by the law.
You have the audicity to claim that you should have some kind of "fair use" nonsense. Let me explain something, these media companies work their arses off to provide you with top notch, affordable entertainment. If they want to limit how you view their media, then by golly they have that right. Just because you geeks have can't accept a "real" OS and need some kind of command line only junk doesn't mean you have to right to break laws. you don't "own" a DVD you buy, you just get to listen to it. The only people who would want to make copies are criminals, and DeCSS is ONLY GOOD FOR MAKING COPIES.
I read somewhere on ZDnet that all you guys do is break encryption laws and pirate MP3's anyway, it makes me wonder if Linux even has legimate uses! I hope the DMCA gets you all for this kind of ungrateful, illegal, nonsence.
I'm 15, why the hell should I know anything about mainframes.
No excuses, I'm a mainframe systems programmer and I'm only 6 years older than you. You should be ashmed of yourself, not knowing everying about all aspects of computing.:)
Problem with that is, something that takes down one service takes down both of them. I realize mainframes are pretty damn reliable boxes, but if it goes down, do you want it to take your webserver with it?
Not quite. The S/390 runs multiple OSs is LPARs (Logical Partitions) and they are pretty much independent of each other. The webserver can run on linux (or OE, the mainframe port of AIX) and not affect a production LPAR running OS/390 at all.
This is true, but they have been making pretty good strides in the TCP/IP area, especially since their new "thrust" for the S/390 is in the enterprise server area. I would imagine the new version (out as of a few weeks ago) should show some improvment in that area. When we install it, that's the first thing I'm checking for:)
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True, but lots of linux distro's do this too. Slackware being the most recent example, but they certinly aren't the only ones.
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And I don't understand why that is a bad thing. Everyone does it. Most people who are using computers today are dumb enough to equate higher version number with better software. MS knows this, heck they practually invented the concept of version inflation. Where did NT start at? If it convinces the casual user that Netscape is better, more power too them. They will have beated MS at it's own game.
It was alledgedly taking too much network bandwidth.
I know on a lot of universities it is taking between some 20%-40%. It IS a problem, but a better solution is to set bandwidth limits on subnets (or even IP's) to prevent them from sucking all the bandwidth.
Paul, you'll be happy to know that I do not make use of the MP3.com service you are suing over. I have no need to, having already downloaded most of your songs with gnapster.
I never said no major company, I said hardly any. Most are not. I'm willing to bet the ones that are are getting lots of help (and price breaks) from Microsoft. In fact I know they are because Gates went on a company to company business trip to offer insentives to companies that would switch not too long ago. Nothing wrong with him doing this, but it puts some of it in prespective.
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Yeah, I agree with you to an extent. I took it more as an exaggeration (I mean, I'm sure he doesn't think that litterally no one installed it). What I can say is that hardly any major company is committing over to it. In the past, Microsoft has had the fortune of having it's customers eat up and commit to whatever they spit out. After getting burned so many times, it seems the vast majority are taking a "wait and see" approach, dispite Microsoft's "everybody is doing it" marketing.
I was able to get a decent job as a systems programmer for Penn State while going to school part time here. I do not have my degree (and when I do, it will be in Econ, I don't know why) but I do have some experence and I pick up stuff quickly.
It's not a linux job, there is no chance of getting in on a multi-million $ IPO, but I get to play with a s/390 mainframe and I'm now able to eat (something I sorely missed as a student)
You must be right. IBM must be putting it weight behind a non existant product. Just because more web servers use it than Microsoft's web server doesn't mean it exists right?
I'm no M$ fan, but they've sold over a million copies of W2K so far.
According to their numbers.
Do you think a company that doctored up a videotape and provided several misleading statements and outright lies at a trial while UNDER OATH might just fudge some numbers for marketing reasons?
You're new here aren't you? Perhaps you thought this would be an "impartial" type news service like ZDNet. Chips n Dips/Slashdot has ALWAYS been pro-linux anti-microsoft. I haven't noticed any change since the Andover/VASystems got involved, except the exponential growth of annoying whiners who feel the need to bitch about every story.
Not that I really care about karma, but it's annoying when a moderator mods down a message that is in a thread as offtopic. You know, sometimes people go off on a tangent in a discussion, it's not your job to make sure they do not go off topic. I understand if this was the first message in a thread, but come on.
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The problem with this topic, is that there is no way to be over the top. No matter how much you exaggerate a ludicrous point, there are those who say the same thing, but are serious. I'm waiting to see my post end up being submitted as evidence in the DeCSS case by the prosecution :)
I hope they keep the link...
finkployd
That's OK, my karma is too high anyway :)
Finkployd
I'm glad someone caught that. I usually post serious comments, but I thought I'd rile some people up today :)
Finkployd
The unfairly moded poster got it right, you asked for this yourselves. I'm suprised you have been tolerated as long as you have by the law.
You have the audicity to claim that you should have some kind of "fair use" nonsense. Let me explain something, these media companies work their arses off to provide you with top notch, affordable entertainment. If they want to limit how you view their media, then by golly they have that right. Just because you geeks have can't accept a "real" OS and need some kind of command line only junk doesn't mean you have to right to break laws. you don't "own" a DVD you buy, you just get to listen to it. The only people who would want to make copies are criminals, and DeCSS is ONLY GOOD FOR MAKING COPIES.
I read somewhere on ZDnet that all you guys do is break encryption laws and pirate MP3's anyway, it makes me wonder if Linux even has legimate uses! I hope the DMCA gets you all for this kind of ungrateful, illegal, nonsence.
Finkployd
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I'm 15, why the hell should I know anything about mainframes.
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No excuses, I'm a mainframe systems programmer and I'm only 6 years older than you. You should be ashmed of yourself, not knowing everying about all aspects of computing.
Finkployd
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If you knew the kind of day I've been having, you would not have written that
F*cking JCL....
Finkployd
Problem with that is, something that takes down one service takes down both of them. I realize mainframes are pretty damn reliable boxes, but if it goes down, do you want it to take your webserver with it?
Not quite. The S/390 runs multiple OSs is LPARs (Logical Partitions) and they are pretty much independent of each other. The webserver can run on linux (or OE, the mainframe port of AIX) and not affect a production LPAR running OS/390 at all.
Finkployd (Systems Programmer at PSU)
This is true, but they have been making pretty good strides in the TCP/IP area, especially since their new "thrust" for the S/390 is in the enterprise server area. I would imagine the new version (out as of a few weeks ago) should show some improvment in that area. When we install it, that's the first thing I'm checking for :)
Finkployd (Systems Programmer for Penn State)
True, but lots of linux distro's do this too. Slackware being the most recent example, but they certinly aren't the only ones.
And I don't understand why that is a bad thing. Everyone does it. Most people who are using computers today are dumb enough to equate higher version number with better software. MS knows this, heck they practually invented the concept of version inflation. Where did NT start at?
If it convinces the casual user that Netscape is better, more power too them. They will have beated MS at it's own game.
Finkployd
It was alledgedly taking too much network bandwidth.
I know on a lot of universities it is taking between some 20%-40%. It IS a problem, but a better solution is to set bandwidth limits on subnets (or even IP's) to prevent them from sucking all the bandwidth.
I honestly think Inspector Gadget was the motivation for this invention... :)
Finkployd
Paul, you'll be happy to know that I do not make use of the MP3.com service you are suing over. I have no need to, having already downloaded most of your songs with gnapster.
Finkployd
I never said no major company, I said hardly any. Most are not. I'm willing to bet the ones that are are getting lots of help (and price breaks) from Microsoft. In fact I know they are because Gates went on a company to company business trip to offer insentives to companies that would switch not too long ago. Nothing wrong with him doing this, but it puts some of it in prespective.
Finkployd
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Finkployd
Yeah, I'm sure Microsoft loves Slashdot. Why don't you do a little research and look at all the past "positive stories" that were done on them.
Finkployd
no your fucking dumb ashole it dont matter how many they sold most of them came free with the comps fucknut
Your advanced grasp of language and spelling really help to drive your point home, you realize that don't you? I feel humbled at your witty retort.
sheesh
Finkployd
Yeah, I agree with you to an extent. I took it more as an exaggeration (I mean, I'm sure he doesn't think that litterally no one installed it). What I can say is that hardly any major company is committing over to it. In the past, Microsoft has had the fortune of having it's customers eat up and commit to whatever they spit out. After getting burned so many times, it seems the vast majority are taking a "wait and see" approach, dispite Microsoft's "everybody is doing it" marketing.
Finkployd
I was able to get a decent job as a systems programmer for Penn State while going to school part time here. I do not have my degree (and when I do, it will be in Econ, I don't know why) but I do have some experence and I pick up stuff quickly.
It's not a linux job, there is no chance of getting in on a multi-million $ IPO, but I get to play with a s/390 mainframe and I'm now able to eat (something I sorely missed as a student)
Finkployd
You must be right. IBM must be putting it weight behind a non existant product. Just because more web servers use it than Microsoft's web server doesn't mean it exists right?
Go back to ZDNet, troll
Finkployd
I'm no M$ fan, but they've sold over a million copies of W2K so far.
According to their numbers.
Do you think a company that doctored up a videotape and provided several misleading statements and outright lies at a trial while UNDER OATH might just fudge some numbers for marketing reasons?
Finkployd
You're new here aren't you? Perhaps you thought this would be an "impartial" type news service like ZDNet. Chips n Dips/Slashdot has ALWAYS been pro-linux anti-microsoft.
I haven't noticed any change since the Andover/VASystems got involved, except the exponential growth of annoying whiners who feel the need to bitch about every story.
Finkployd
Congrats, you are smarter than nearly everyone in the media who has written about this. Yes, you are right.
Finkployd
threads go off on tangents, this was on topic regarding the thread.
It's bee that way since this place was called chips n dips.
Finkployd
Not that I really care about karma, but it's annoying when a moderator mods down a message that is in a thread as offtopic. You know, sometimes people go off on a tangent in a discussion, it's not your job to make sure they do not go off topic. I understand if this was the first message in a thread, but come on.
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