"People are being killed with guns. I know, let's blame video games, internet porn, and movies. Let's force censorship in libraries, and make public buildings post the ten commandments."
THEY ARE AFTER OUR FREEDOMS! BOYCOTT RELIGION!!!!!!
Hate to nit pick since I agree with most of what you have said, but it seems you feel that guns are the problem, not the rights we have. Gun ownership is a right also. The problem is we let kids do anything today and never tell them they are wrong because that would "hurt their self esteem" to have boundries. The first two amendments working together are what guarentee the others.
"Any nation that exchanges liberty for security deserves neither." -- Ben Franklin.
Nazi germany employed censorship on it's minions. Look where that got them!
I feel that way about gun control, as well as free speach. I'm just curious, who here also strongly believes in both the first and second amendments? It seems the "fight for our rights" people always seem to pick one of them to believe in and pretend the other isn't important.
Remember, Linux itself is not fragmented. There is (currently) only one "development tree" so to speak. There ARE however many different distributions, each with different software included, different install programs, etc. However, there is only one offical Linux.
Find the lawmakers who support encryption for the public and write them! The FBI, after all, does NOT run our government.
Perhaps not, but I'd imagine with the files they accumulate on everyone, they probably have quite a lot of pull. Look at the 500 FBI files Clinton "accidently" ended up with on all the Republicians.
Wow, he seems to have coined a term that could end this whole hacker/cracker problem. Since we are no longer hackers (media has made sure that word is negative), we can now all offically be called "open-source freaks".
No one said mail bomb them. Looking at their forum, it seems there are several short, to the point, and polite requests for linux support. What is wrong with that? We are not harassing them, we are using their message board for the purpose they put it us. I agree that we should take a polite approach when dealing with hardware companies, but we still need to ask for support, and in large numbers. If they don't hear from us, we don't exist to them.
The comparison chart impressed some of the more "hardcore NT" users where I work. I guess they never thought something could support more hardware (processors) and have more features than NT:)
Even though it's nothing groundbreaking, it's still positive, mainstream press, and that is what we need.
Let's not forget one of the little added benefits of 'open source'....the source is open. Before you hint that Raster's code is bad, take a jog over to his web site and look at it. Then make the call, this isn't Microso~1 people, we can actually LOOK at someone's code before attacking it.
The above comments DO reflect the views of my ISP...in fact the spelling errors are probably their fault also.
But I'm currently running E on a P100 with 48mb of ram. I agree that E's default theme is pretty sick, but change that, and you have a pretty decent window manager. But hey, don't let me stop your boycott:)
A representative is quoted as saying that this is "unworkable". I'd go so far as to say impossible. Sites that are possibly "offensive" can popup faster than an ISP, even using all their resources and time, can block it out. I feel for the Australia ISPs, they have their work cut out for them. As for the government, they will need to patrol full time simply to check if all "naughty" sites are blocked or not (which would be quite an interesting job). Seems to me, the Australian government has just created the biggest national waste of time and energy with one vote. Why do I have the feeling the US government will try to follow suit?
You mean the problem isn't computers? It isn't guns? It's not the clothing? It's not the video games? Seriously, you said it all in one short post. The relationships between parents and children is the problem. Parents afraid to discipline to their kids for fear of damaging their "self esteem", parents who think their kids can raise themselves and learn right and wrong on their own, this is the problem. I was a semi-nerd in high school, I played Doom and Shadowrun with my friends. My parents didn't worry about this because I was raised to know that killing was bad and I had a good sense of right and wrong. Maybe if parents would just raise their own kids, they wouldn't have to worry about what was raising them.
Odd, I know of three such occations where a gun protected a home and possibly lives. Strange considering I appearently have never seen a bad neighborhood. I think the recent events have shown that it doesn't matter how safe an area seems to be, there are wackos everyehere. My father has a friend in LA who protected his appliance store with an evil semi-automatic handgun during the riots. He had to empty four clips to keep looters at bay, but other than some minor damage, he lost nothing and no one in his store was hurt.
I'm respect your opinion, but it has no influence on my ownership of a gun.
I have an unregistered firearm I have to protect my home. So there is one you can't find. Think I'm the only person who doesn't want to give up my only realistic form of self protection?
You've got a very valid point about the bombing, however, this DID happen in Scotland a while back. It IS mainly an American problem, but guns aren't any more to blame than video games. There was something wrong with these kids. Whether the cause be how they were brought up or how they were treated in school I don't know. Believe me, I don't like the whole world police thing any more than you do. I wonder if these kids saw Clinton bombing a whole country because he didn't agree with the way they treat people, and saw themselves doing the same thing on a smaller scale?
First of all, it is NOT every American's right to own a gun, only non-felons who are over 18 (or 21 for handguns and semi-automatics). I happen to own a gun and I don't plan to go on a shooting rampage anytime soon. I own a gun because there have been robberies, shootings and other crimes very near where I live and I would like to be able to protect my family and property if necessary. Anyone who tells me I shouldn't be able to do so can go live in DC where there is a gun ban. And of course, because of this, DC is the safest place to live because there are no guns right? funny... I believe in gun control. You need limits on who can own what, and waiting periods are a good idea as well. However, you will NEVER remove guns from this country. There are simply too many in circulation. Cut off the supply lines and march around (as Hitler did) and attempt to disarm the public as much as you want. Then only the criminals will have and continue to get them. Plus they now have the added bonus of knowing that their victoms will probably be defenceless. Oh, but wait, we have the honest and not-at-all corrupt police to protect us, right?
It seems everytime an unthinkable tragedy occures, the "I have a special agenda" people come out in full force to explain to us (in our shocked and upset state) that this whole tragedy could have been avoided if only their viewpoint was adopted and acted upon. See, video games really ARE bad, this proves it. There really IS too much violence on TV, see where it leads? This is all because of that evil music, etc. I even saw one of the congressional representatives of Colorado on TV yesterday lamenting that the state never adopted a more strict weapons policy for the schools!!! I can see it now, two deranged teens prepare to enter the school and start executing people when the notice a "Gun Free School Zone" sign, and turn back, defeated. Please, policies weren't going to prevent this. This was a result of kids ever growing lack of repsect for life, both their's and other's. When you feel your life is so meaningless that you plan to kill yourself anyway, it's probably not difficult to take other's lives. I for one would like to know why kids (not all, but more than ever before) no longer seem to respect life at all.
The problem with this (and other) articles is that they rely on the assumption that a software company can only generate revenue by selling the software itself. Totally overlooked is the service end of things. Case in point, the computer store I work at makes more money from it's service department than sales, as do some car dealerships I know of.
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"People are being killed with guns. I know, let's blame video games, internet porn, and movies. Let's force censorship in libraries, and make public buildings post the ten commandments."
THEY ARE AFTER OUR FREEDOMS! BOYCOTT RELIGION!!!!!!
Hate to nit pick since I agree with most of what you have said, but it seems you feel that guns are the problem, not the rights we have. Gun ownership is a right also. The problem is we let kids do anything today and never tell them they are wrong because that would "hurt their self esteem" to have boundries.
The first two amendments working together are what guarentee the others.
Finkployd
"Any nation that exchanges liberty for security deserves neither." -- Ben Franklin.
Nazi germany employed censorship on it's minions. Look where that got them!
I feel that way about gun control, as well as free speach.
I'm just curious, who here also strongly believes in both the first and second amendments? It seems the "fight for our rights" people always seem to pick one of them to believe in and pretend the other isn't important.
FinkPloyd
no you're not. :)
FinkPloyd
Remember, Linux itself is not fragmented. There is (currently) only one "development tree" so to speak. There ARE however many different distributions, each with different software included, different install programs, etc.
However, there is only one offical Linux.
Fink Ployd
Find the lawmakers who support encryption for the public and write them! The FBI, after all, does NOT run our government.
Perhaps not, but I'd imagine with the files they accumulate on everyone, they probably have quite a lot of pull.
Look at the 500 FBI files Clinton "accidently" ended up with on all the Republicians.
I agree with the rest of your comments though.
Fink Ployd
Wow, he seems to have coined a term that could end this whole hacker/cracker problem. Since we are no longer hackers (media has made sure that word is negative), we can now all offically be called "open-source freaks".
Finkployd
No one said mail bomb them. Looking at their forum, it seems there are several short, to the point, and polite requests for linux support. What is wrong with that? We are not harassing them, we are using their message board for the purpose they put it us.
I agree that we should take a polite approach when dealing with hardware companies, but we still need to ask for support, and in large numbers. If they don't hear from us, we don't exist to them.
FinkPloyd
The comparison chart impressed some of the more "hardcore NT" users where I work. I guess they never thought something could support more hardware (processors) and have more features than NT :)
Even though it's nothing groundbreaking, it's still positive, mainstream press, and that is what we need.
that's micros~1 :)
:)
You're right, it's been a while since I've been subjected to that.
I use the windows ICQ at work and I haven't noticed any AOL poisoning....
What are you refering to?
FinkPloyd
Let's not forget one of the little added benefits of 'open source'....the source is open. Before you hint that Raster's code is bad, take a jog over to his web site and look at it. Then make the call, this isn't Microso~1 people, we can actually LOOK at someone's code before attacking it.
The above comments DO reflect the views of my ISP...in fact the spelling errors are probably their fault also.
But I'm currently running E on a P100 with 48mb of ram. I agree that E's default theme is pretty sick, but change that, and you have a pretty decent window manager. But hey, don't let me stop your boycott :)
FinkPloyd
A representative is quoted as saying that this is
"unworkable". I'd go so far as to say impossible. Sites that are possibly "offensive" can popup faster than an ISP, even using all their resources and time, can block it out. I feel for the Australia ISPs, they have their work cut out for them.
As for the government, they will need to patrol full time simply to check if all "naughty" sites are blocked or not (which would be quite an interesting job).
Seems to me, the Australian government has just created the biggest national waste of time and energy with one vote. Why do I have the feeling the US government will try to follow suit?
FinkPloyd
GrammAr perhaps? :)
Fink
I mean, if you can't trust the US government, who can you trust? :)
It's called PGP, folks. Download it (illegally if necessary) and use it.
FinkPloyd
You mean the problem isn't computers? It isn't guns? It's not the clothing? It's not the video games?
Seriously, you said it all in one short post. The relationships between parents and children is the problem. Parents afraid to discipline to their kids for fear of damaging their "self esteem", parents who think their kids can raise themselves and learn right and wrong on their own, this is the problem.
I was a semi-nerd in high school, I played Doom and Shadowrun with my friends. My parents didn't worry about this because I was raised to know that killing was bad and I had a good sense of right and wrong. Maybe if parents would just raise their own kids, they wouldn't have to worry about what was raising them.
Odd, I know of three such occations where a gun protected a home and possibly lives. Strange considering I appearently have never seen a bad neighborhood. I think the recent events have shown that it doesn't matter how safe an area seems to be, there are wackos everyehere. My father has a friend in LA who protected his appliance store with an evil semi-automatic handgun during the riots. He had to empty four clips to keep looters at bay, but other than some minor damage, he lost nothing and no one in his store was hurt.
I'm respect your opinion, but it has no influence on my ownership of a gun.
How?
I have an unregistered firearm I have to protect my home. So there is one you can't find. Think I'm the only person who doesn't want to give up my only realistic form of self protection?
Fink
You've got a very valid point about the bombing, however, this DID happen in Scotland a while back. It IS mainly an American problem, but guns aren't any more to blame than video games. There was something wrong with these kids. Whether the cause be how they were brought up or how they were treated in school I don't know.
Believe me, I don't like the whole world police thing any more than you do. I wonder if these kids saw Clinton bombing a whole country because he didn't agree with the way they treat people, and saw themselves doing the same thing on a smaller scale?
Fink
First of all, it is NOT every American's right to own a gun, only non-felons who are over 18 (or 21 for handguns and semi-automatics). I happen to own a gun and I don't plan to go on a shooting rampage anytime soon. I own a gun because there have been robberies, shootings and other crimes very near where I live and I would like to be able to protect my family and property if necessary. Anyone who tells me I shouldn't be able to do so can go live in DC where there is a gun ban. And of course, because of this, DC is the safest place to live because there are no guns right? funny...
I believe in gun control. You need limits on who can own what, and waiting periods are a good idea as well. However, you will NEVER remove guns from this country. There are simply too many in circulation. Cut off the supply lines and march around (as Hitler did) and attempt to disarm the public as much as you want. Then only the criminals will have and continue to get them. Plus they now have the added bonus of knowing that their victoms will probably be defenceless.
Oh, but wait, we have the honest and not-at-all corrupt police to protect us, right?
Fink
It seems everytime an unthinkable tragedy occures, the "I have a special agenda" people come out in full force to explain to us (in our shocked and upset state) that this whole tragedy could have been avoided if only their viewpoint was adopted and acted upon. See, video games really ARE bad, this proves it. There really IS too much violence on TV, see where it leads? This is all because of that evil music, etc.
I even saw one of the congressional representatives of Colorado on TV yesterday lamenting that the state never adopted a more strict weapons policy for the schools!!! I can see it now, two deranged teens prepare to enter the school and start executing people when the notice a "Gun Free School Zone" sign, and turn back, defeated.
Please, policies weren't going to prevent this. This was a result of kids ever growing lack of repsect for life, both their's and other's. When you feel your life is so meaningless that you plan to kill yourself anyway, it's probably not difficult to take other's lives. I for one would like to know why kids (not all, but more than ever before) no longer seem to respect life at all.
My $0.02
Fink
The problem with this (and other) articles is that they rely on the assumption that a software company can only generate revenue by selling the software itself. Totally overlooked is the service end of things. Case in point, the computer store I work at makes more money from it's service department than sales, as do some car dealerships I know of.
Fink
I must have enjoyed pain when I was younger...
But it does provide a nice foundation for programming and computer know-how.
fink
Good question. Either really.
Fink
I seem to remember that same slogan popping up on the start button of KDE. I wonder if they are next?
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