I'm not sure how encryption would change anything. My understand is that the RIAA just has a client like any other on this network and is searching for copyrighted material, not packet sniffing.
Regarding the legalities, unless there is some agreement that most folks unknowingly consent to, having the RIAA looking through "material" on someone's computer should be illegal whether or not they are engaging in illegal theft of intellectual property......right?
Wrong, you are publishing them for all the world to see. It is no more illegal for the RIAA to look at what you are publicly sharing than it is for you to look at their website.
I don't think the RIAA remotly scanning all the contents of people's harddrives (if they are, I want to know what horrible OS vulnerability is allowing THAT), just the materials they are making available for download.
Liberty does not compete with Passport, it competes with WS-Federation. Liberty scores points on an open developement process (as opposed to MS and IBM doing ws-fed in a darkend backroom somewhere) and also on having actual software implementations of their specs available. However WS-fed scores big because managers these days see Web Services is the silver bullet, holy grail for everything. Time will tell.
Personally I like SAML (the technology Liberty is built off of), but supposedly WS-Fed is going to interop with Liberty, so maybe the two are not so different. (I really need to read up on WS-fed more)
The second issue is the lack of new problems. I am sometimes convinced that everybody in the world is working on the exact same application integration project. Do you use the word "metadata" 10 times a day? Are you trying to build a query service? Are you trying to untangle message-oriented architectures? Yeah, me too.
Ouch, that hits uncomfortably close to home regarding on of my less fun projects:(
When I was in school I went to a research oriented university. There was some cutting edge stuff being developed that never ceased to hold my attention. Now I am designing software for systems that are nowhere near the level of sophistication as what I was used to at school. Its just all so bland now.
See if you can get a job working at a research university then. That is what I do and while the pay isn't as great as a private sector job, the job security is better and I get to work on the coolest stuff imaginable.
I think the point was the microsoft is a convicted monopolist, with a distinguished history of illegal moves, not that they have a monopoly in the online music market.
Umm aren't you the guy who claims to be a phantom beta tester in every thread that remotely touches on this topic, then when confronted with facts you admit that you do not in fact have a phantom console? (probably because they don't exist)
Actually "wherefor art thou, romeo?" means "why are you (named) romeo?". Kinda meaning "I love you, why do you have to be romeo, a member of the family that is sworn enemy of my family"
Go resell that Chrysler or *sniker* that Hyundai. You will find you the used value is practically nothing, because nobody wants them on the used market.
You can sit at an NBA game and edit your web pages in real time, if you want. You can't slurp Yahoo's NBA page, reformat the text, and place it on your own page for profit. This seems perfectly reasonable to me.
So how do I prove I sat through it and generated the data on my own rather than got it from a copywrited database? If the data is the same (and it should be) it is my word against their's.
Actually no, it isn't. It is their army of lawyers against me, I would be bankrupt before I ever got a chance to get a word in.
They really ARE against any from of "do it yourself", aren't they?
"Your Honor, these dirty hippies are using software that was designed to subvert and destroy the good capitalist software companies in America to sell parts to other dirty hippies that use them to fix their own cars. This deprives the good capitalist auto repair industry of money they are entitled to"
Ummm, actually I burn most of the songs I buy on iTunes Music Store to CD. It's not only legal and supported, but REALLY easy to do from the iTunes program.
Were you under the impression that you couldn't do this? That iTMS files not be easily burned to CD and played on regular CD players?
Your only valid complaint there is the AAC quality issue, which for me really makes no difference. It sounds 100x better than FM Radio quality, which is what I would be listening to otherwise. But I can see how that would bug some people. Personally if I ever feel I need that quality, I will just spend the extra and buy the CD (accepting that I will be paying for a bunch of songs I may not want)
Speaking as a person who is somewhat religious (if nothing else, I believe a Christian-ish God exists), Bible literalists are not only closing their eyes to the lessons of science and the world around them, but also the very lessons of the Bible:)
Jesus spoke in parables right? Why assume everything else in the bible is meant to be taken literally and not just part of a parable? Does it REALLY matter how many damn days it took to create life, we are here, just enjoy it:)
I don't understand distinction this at all. People that will only open their eyes when intelligent life is discovered and that would gloss over the detection of simple extraterrestrial lifeforms are, quite frankly, morons, and need not be consulted on this issue.
I suspect the previous poster was not implying that they would not care at all, just that the discovery would not have any impact on their religious beliefs (really, why should it?). The discovery of intelligent life however would certainly cause may to re-evaluate their religious beliefs, depending on the life I guess.
Two interesting thought exercises are
For the religious person: If intelligent life were discovered, but had no concept of religion what does that possibly imply about your religion? Are these aliens without soul or are the condemmed? Have they developed a "moral" (subjective I know) way of life without the influence of religion?
For the non-religious person: If intelligent life were discovered, and had a religion which resembled so many of the religions on Earth, what that that imply? That the religion may be valid or that life in general somehow needs a religion at some point in development and somehow looks the same as the ones we have developed?
Interesing stuff to ponder while waiting for the next SCO story anyway:)
I suppose religion is much like science. If i find something that contradicts a scientific principle.. the principle adapts or dies.
Actually quite the opposite. At least in my point of view. Religion was/is a vehicle to instruct people how to act, what morality was, and I guess just in general how to live. Not to strictly define the universe and all its physical laws like science does.
You don't look to science for the answer to "how can I lead a better life and be a better person?" and you don't look to religion for the answer to "how does DNA work?". They cover two completly different realms of thinking. I always find it amusing when people (believer and non-belivers alike) look to religion for specific answers to scientific questions (either for actual answers or to disprove the whole religion because it didn't address some obscure, advanced scientific concept)
Let's play a little game. Pretend you are God (pick your denomination, doesn't matter). You are going to reveal your existence to the primitive people living in your world and get some serious worshiping going.
Now since you created everything, you understand how cells, quarks, thermodynamics, astrophysics, and non-Euclidian geometry work.
HOWEVER, do you really think you are going to get into that with people who are struggling with the concept of simple tools? I don't have any particularily strong feelings on the topic either way, but it seems awfully silly when everytime a scientific discovery is made, someone points out that because the $RELIGIOUS_TEXT didn't deal with it, then that religion must be bogus. The arguement really then becomes: "Because the Bible did not explain every single thing about the universe around us, it must be bogus".
Of course the excuse, the same that is used to explain the story of Noah, is that god created life elsewhere but it just wasn't written down.
Oh perhaps it was and was lost, or we just don't know about it. When was it ever said that the Bible was a complete and comprehensive history of those times. To believe that you would have to believe there were only a few hundred people in the world at the time. Or perhaps the Bible (like any religious text, or history for that matter) doesn't tell the personal story of every living human on earth at the time.
Right, I was saying not only are they violating it, but they are calling into question its very legality and patriotism (and I like my software licenses to be patriotic dammit:)
I'm clear on the difference, and obviously the violation of it is where the grounds to revoke SCO's right to use the software in question come from.
I'm not so sure about that. SCO is clearly violating the GPL, in fact going so far as to say it is unamerican and in violation of the consitution. I don't think ANY company would continue to do business with you if you pulled that against them.
License WMA from MS then launch a multifront effort to claim it as your own, discredit MS, and convince congress that they are dangerous to national security and see how long they let you use their software.
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I'm not sure how encryption would change anything. My understand is that the RIAA just has a client like any other on this network and is searching for copyrighted material, not packet sniffing.
Finkployd
Regarding the legalities, unless there is some agreement that most folks unknowingly consent to, having the RIAA looking through "material" on someone's computer should be illegal whether or not they are engaging in illegal theft of intellectual property......right?
Wrong, you are publishing them for all the world to see. It is no more illegal for the RIAA to look at what you are publicly sharing than it is for you to look at their website.
I don't think the RIAA remotly scanning all the contents of people's harddrives (if they are, I want to know what horrible OS vulnerability is allowing THAT), just the materials they are making available for download.
Finkployd
Liberty does not compete with Passport, it competes with WS-Federation. Liberty scores points on an open developement process (as opposed to MS and IBM doing ws-fed in a darkend backroom somewhere) and also on having actual software implementations of their specs available. However WS-fed scores big because managers these days see Web Services is the silver bullet, holy grail for everything. Time will tell.
Personally I like SAML (the technology Liberty is built off of), but supposedly WS-Fed is going to interop with Liberty, so maybe the two are not so different. (I really need to read up on WS-fed more)
Finkployd
Liberty Alliance project, which so far has produced just large amount of PDF files
Which is all they intended to produce. Technically Liberty Alliance is a spec, not an implementation.
Now if you are asserting that there are no implementations, the SourceID people would probably disagree with that.
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Anyone remember Deskmate? A kind of gui-ish/office suite-ish thing that came with old Tandy computers (like my first one, Tandy 1000sx)
It was kinda cool for its time.
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z/OS
So PowerPC, eh?
z/OS doesn't run on PowerPC. zSeries CPUs are a different beast altogether
Much more fun to program assembly on than an intel chip, even without a stack (no, a save area trace is not the same thing)
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The second issue is the lack of new problems. I am sometimes convinced that everybody in the world is working on the exact same application integration project. Do you use the word "metadata" 10 times a day? Are you trying to build a query service? Are you trying to untangle message-oriented architectures? Yeah, me too.
:(
Ouch, that hits uncomfortably close to home regarding on of my less fun projects
Finkployd
When I was in school I went to a research oriented university. There was some cutting edge stuff being developed that never ceased to hold my attention. Now I am designing software for systems that are nowhere near the level of sophistication as what I was used to at school. Its just all so bland now.
See if you can get a job working at a research university then. That is what I do and while the pay isn't as great as a private sector job, the job security is better and I get to work on the coolest stuff imaginable.
Finkployd
Sun Java Desktop == GNOME with a Sun theme
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I think the point was the microsoft is a convicted monopolist, with a distinguished history of illegal moves, not that they have a monopoly in the online music market.
Finkployd
Will the recent acceptance by such reputable companies open the possibility to Universities that not all P2P distribution is inherently bad?"
Some of us are hoping that Lionshare will help a little with that also.
Finkployd
Umm aren't you the guy who claims to be a phantom beta tester in every thread that remotely touches on this topic, then when confronted with facts you admit that you do not in fact have a phantom console? (probably because they don't exist)
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WHERE location = '4artThou'
Actually "wherefor art thou, romeo?" means "why are you (named) romeo?". Kinda meaning "I love you, why do you have to be romeo, a member of the family that is sworn enemy of my family"
Finkployd
Go resell that Chrysler or *sniker* that Hyundai. You will find you the used value is practically nothing, because nobody wants them on the used market.
Hondas and Toyotas on the other hand...
Finkployd
You can sit at an NBA game and edit your web pages in real time, if you want. You can't slurp Yahoo's NBA page, reformat the text, and place it on your own page for profit. This seems perfectly reasonable to me.
So how do I prove I sat through it and generated the data on my own rather than got it from a copywrited database? If the data is the same (and it should be) it is my word against their's.
Actually no, it isn't. It is their army of lawyers against me, I would be bankrupt before I ever got a chance to get a word in.
Finkployd
They really ARE against any from of "do it yourself", aren't they?
"Your Honor, these dirty hippies are using software that was designed to subvert and destroy the good capitalist software companies in America to sell parts to other dirty hippies that use them to fix their own cars. This deprives the good capitalist auto repair industry of money they are entitled to"
Finkployd
Very true, but on the flip side, they are cheap enough that I don't mind replacing them when they get scratched.
Finkployd
Ummm, actually I burn most of the songs I buy on iTunes Music Store to CD. It's not only legal and supported, but REALLY easy to do from the iTunes program.
Were you under the impression that you couldn't do this? That iTMS files not be easily burned to CD and played on regular CD players?
Your only valid complaint there is the AAC quality issue, which for me really makes no difference. It sounds 100x better than FM Radio quality, which is what I would be listening to otherwise. But I can see how that would bug some people. Personally if I ever feel I need that quality, I will just spend the extra and buy the CD (accepting that I will be paying for a bunch of songs I may not want)
Finkployd
Speaking as a person who is somewhat religious (if nothing else, I believe a Christian-ish God exists), Bible literalists are not only closing their eyes to the lessons of science and the world around them, but also the very lessons of the Bible :)
:)
Jesus spoke in parables right? Why assume everything else in the bible is meant to be taken literally and not just part of a parable? Does it REALLY matter how many damn days it took to create life, we are here, just enjoy it
Finkployd
I don't understand distinction this at all. People that will only open their eyes when intelligent life is discovered and that would gloss over the detection of simple extraterrestrial lifeforms are, quite frankly, morons, and need not be consulted on this issue.
:)
I suspect the previous poster was not implying that they would not care at all, just that the discovery would not have any impact on their religious beliefs (really, why should it?). The discovery of intelligent life however would certainly cause may to re-evaluate their religious beliefs, depending on the life I guess.
Two interesting thought exercises are
For the religious person: If intelligent life were discovered, but had no concept of religion what does that possibly imply about your religion? Are these aliens without soul or are the condemmed? Have they developed a "moral" (subjective I know) way of life without the influence of religion?
For the non-religious person: If intelligent life were discovered, and had a religion which resembled so many of the religions on Earth, what that that imply? That the religion may be valid or that life in general somehow needs a religion at some point in development and somehow looks the same as the ones we have developed?
Interesing stuff to ponder while waiting for the next SCO story anyway
Finkployd
I suppose religion is much like science. If i find something that contradicts a scientific principle.. the principle adapts or dies.
Actually quite the opposite. At least in my point of view. Religion was/is a vehicle to instruct people how to act, what morality was, and I guess just in general how to live. Not to strictly define the universe and all its physical laws like science does.
You don't look to science for the answer to "how can I lead a better life and be a better person?" and you don't look to religion for the answer to "how does DNA work?". They cover two completly different realms of thinking. I always find it amusing when people (believer and non-belivers alike) look to religion for specific answers to scientific questions (either for actual answers or to disprove the whole religion because it didn't address some obscure, advanced scientific concept)
Finkployd
Let's play a little game. Pretend you are God (pick your denomination, doesn't matter). You are going to reveal your existence to the primitive people living in your world and get some serious worshiping going.
Now since you created everything, you understand how cells, quarks, thermodynamics, astrophysics, and non-Euclidian geometry work.
HOWEVER, do you really think you are going to get into that with people who are struggling with the concept of simple tools? I don't have any particularily strong feelings on the topic either way, but it seems awfully silly when everytime a scientific discovery is made, someone points out that because the $RELIGIOUS_TEXT didn't deal with it, then that religion must be bogus. The arguement really then becomes: "Because the Bible did not explain every single thing about the universe around us, it must be bogus".
Of course the excuse, the same that is used to explain the story of Noah, is that god created life elsewhere but it just wasn't written down.
Oh perhaps it was and was lost, or we just don't know about it. When was it ever said that the Bible was a complete and comprehensive history of those times. To believe that you would have to believe there were only a few hundred people in the world at the time. Or perhaps the Bible (like any religious text, or history for that matter) doesn't tell the personal story of every living human on earth at the time.
Finkployd
Holy crap, I always figured you were somewhat older than 19.
:)
Great, now "I" feel old
Finkployd
Right, I was saying not only are they violating it, but they are calling into question its very legality and patriotism (and I like my software licenses to be patriotic dammit :)
I'm clear on the difference, and obviously the violation of it is where the grounds to revoke SCO's right to use the software in question come from.
Finkployd
I'm not so sure about that. SCO is clearly violating the GPL, in fact going so far as to say it is unamerican and in violation of the consitution. I don't think ANY company would continue to do business with you if you pulled that against them.
License WMA from MS then launch a multifront effort to claim it as your own, discredit MS, and convince congress that they are dangerous to national security and see how long they let you use their software.
Finkployd