I think it comes down to this...
There are going to be perl scripts written in perl6, object oriented style. If it catches on, there will be many many scripts written, including ones inside your company or group of friends. So at that point you can decide whether you can find the motivation to learn OO and Perl6. Either way, somebody will take the baton and run with it....
Like it or not, there is a great chance that Perl6 will catch on, because it has lots of support and probably a few book contracts! From what I understand, perl 6 is going to run perl 5 code....so if you don't mind being deprecated....
deprecated: marked for future replacement, not upgradable/supported, unwilling to move along with progress.
I can certainly understand how most computer ppl begin to have a limit for wanting to learn new stuff, but its all part of the job, like it or leave it....sux, don't it?
It looks to me that even the Portuguese would have trouble directly defining "saudade".
Isn't that the beauty of life? If feelings were completely encompassed by single words, and no definition (however inadequate) was needed, then poetry itself would be useless. I'm voting on the side that any feeling cannot be summed up in entirety by *any* language, only explored, felt.
These issues can drive a person insane! Because in the end (like many other things) it comes down to "What are you going to do about it?"
In the end, you can write your congressman and chose not to support WindowsXP itself. but as they say "no man is an island" and sometimes you have to live with what the market chooses, unless you want to regulate the crap out of what other people might think is innovative/convenient (oh, i can login to my os,my hotmail, msn, and my stock portfolio all at once? no more 6 logins?) Most people don't even consider the consequences of that, mostly because they trust microsoft & love convience.
I just always get the feeling that you can stand on a soapbox on the corner complaining but i don't know who's opinion is harder to sway: congressmen/government or the general public. And in this case, you got to do both. And this late in the game, it's government first...
M$ wants to make $$$. Congress wants to get re-elected. The average home user wants convience (sp?).
What are you going to do??? Let me know. I don't feel like i can change the world anymore.
I recently purchased Money 2002 and it has you sign up for a passport ID on install. Then everytime you open Money, it asks for it again.
Now, this may be just a "software choice" and not "forced on by the OS" but it still leads me to believe the FTC could care less. This problem is too ingrained in the commerce/commercialism division of capitalism, the only way to change it is by regulating it (hoping that enough congressmen/women are not totally on the side of big business) (and regulation of businesses is another big topic, and has many problems associated with it) or leaving it up to consumer choice/free market...but face it...it's hard to motivate ppl who just want to balance thier checkbook/email/browse the web and could care less about the implications....
I think there is extremism on both ends. Too much regulation and you can sqelch true innovation, or hurt businesses, or create huge goverments. But if you rely on the market and the population to chose, well, lets just say its hard to beat a intel's/microsoft marketshare with the average complacent home user who might use his computer for 3 hrs a week... because in aggregate that makes a lot more marketshare than the 10% who realize that hey there are better alternatives out there....
All this work, and... it doesn't matter. Desktop computer users care about what they can do on their machines. They want reliability, check simplicity, getting a heck of a lot better---linux is worlds simpler than it used to be access to popular software, This seems extremely short-sighted to me. How can linux desktop software become "popular" until linux desktops become more popular? cygwin, maybe? and the ability to communicate easily with other users. check.
Somewhere deep inside the comments on both sides that start comparing linux to microsoft are missing the fact that most linux users are on average more technically savvy, expecially if they are connected to the big old net. So obviously, when linux announces a security hole a majority of users who are attached to the web get concerned and go out immediately and update thier system.
But when companies and home users are running a COTS that they prolly didn't even install and don't even no what say IIS is, they don't get real concerned about updating thier systems.
For an example, look at Code Red Infections that occured after the security hole had been announced.
True, I don't have a TiVO.... I do have a friend that records shows on his pc, but I always figured the big thing with the TiVO is the ability to plan what shows to record and getting like the whole menu of stuff...and ratings etc. I'm sure its worth it, but I'm also sure someone could put together software that could do it for your commputer too. And a lot of ppl already have a lot invested in thier computers, are you saying for an extra $300 you couldn't get the equipment to record from cable? You may be right...I should ask my friend....you'd still might have to kick it off manually or with some perl scripts....and then there's the rerun thing...
I understand that, but it seems like everyone wants to add stuff....I mean, next it will network with other devices or your pc (with out hacking it) and next it will play dvds etc etc until basically it is a pc again. Its kinda like when you start with a calculator and end up with a organizer,printer,programming,electric-circuit testor. Sometimes it seems better to keep it simple...or at least a *model* that is simple cause mebbe I don't want to play games on my TiVO cause I already sprung for the Playstation or PC.
Besides, it seems to me that when products start concentrating on more than thier original use, they get sloppy or make design comprimises. TiVO might have nice menus for selecting tv channels and stuff but maybe it gets all complicated with the games added in cause now you can have an option to videotape your games or something. I just think sometimes its better to keep it simple.
For instance, if you want a fast sports car, you don't get the minivan space, or the minivan suspension for a reason.
Imagine that. A device that allows "gaming, television and full net access" it's like feature creep ppl, if you want that then get a decent video in/video out video card and a computer. TiVO would seem to me to target people who are less technically savvy and prolly just want each machine to do its piece....like the TiVO is an advanced VCR and thats all it needs to be for them. If they want gaming then they go buy the X-box or whatever. Just seems like a combined one would make less revenue...
But you are right I guess, sooner or later someone will combine it. I can't wait to get my combined digital refrigirator/blender/organizer web enabled sink.
The way I figure, this isn't all that unusual unless you are a non-M$ user.
For instance, take "Quicken" Ever notice how it encourages you to connect to the internet, get an id at www.quicken.com, tells you all about Quicken loans, etc etc etc.
Then AOL, they send a cd to your house every month, spread crap all over your desktop if you use thier messengers etc etc etc.
Then the x10 camera popups. It goes on and on, and its a side effect of capitalism and marketing.
Credit card companies send you envelops full of ads. You get spam directed toward your emails.
And it works, because its annoying...its works, because people will sign up for passport, people will upgrade to XP.
But luckily there's plenty of people who won't, for different reasons. That's what's so great FREE as in No $$ software, it takes the marketing out...so no big need to advertise (although it isn't stomped out completely, since people always want recognition or a link to thier site, or continued recognition through all future developments (thank goodness all licensing isn't like that))
I'm not saying its a great thing---but hey paying for cable and still getting commercials isn't FAIR either---try petitioning you local big business congressman on that:)
Current PIII-boards won't be able to host the new breed.
my mistake! Why is it that we hold on to incompatibilities some things but not in others, seems like in hardware its ok to constantly change the interfaces and chipsets but yet we deal with years on things like memory limits on booting and other strange x86 stuff....
It has to be due to the fact that its profitable to always have some new product to sell....new chipsets, new software to get past the hardware architecture limits....the pc is built on such a patch tradition....
-K
I think that Intel will release it just because they'll be able to continue to sell to the ppl with Socket 370 mainboards, and the manufacturers who already have an investment in building computers with those boards, which are probably more stable than the newer mobos. Its a way of keeping the revenue stream wide...there are still plenty of ppl that will buy the P4 just because of the 3 blue guys
-K.
hmm... just because you have a right to do something doesn't mean it doesn't have consequences. Even revolutionaries set up governments to maintain order. I pay taxes to build and maintain those roads so I can travel on them just the same as you have the right to protest, however, for both of us to coexist under the same government and not have people blocking streets because "its cloudy today" there is a consequence to blocking a road...that doesn't mean you should never protest. It just ups the ante for what you are willing to protest about. People have been known to give their lives in protest...
coming from someone a little to the right, I can assure you that bush WILL NOT overturn roe vs. wade and neither will the supreme court. First of all, it would be political suicide, and secondly, plenty of supreme court justices have been appointed or confirmed by republicans in the past ten appointments. Abortion is a dead issue, unless you are talking RU-486 and partial birth.
SO, to some extent, your fears and unjustified.
Everytime someone says that "A vote for nader is a vote for bush", it shows how brainwashed they are into a two party system. Show me in the constitution where it says that a democrat or a republican is entitled to a vote...
That makes as much sense as:
Not Voting in a U.S. election is a vote for Canada.
Florida's Electoral could vote for whomever they damn well please
As I understand, and i'm not an expert, but I heard this on the radio this morning, this can only occur in states that have "faithless electors". I'm not sure if florida is one of them...if it is there is a chance on december 18 that they cast thier vote in favor of who won the popular election.
Also, I heard that the republicans are having the vote recounted in Wisconsin.
In any case, we really need to upgrade our election equipment as I'm still voting with a paper ballot...and the whole thing seems pretty insecure in many respects. Did anyone else hear that 9 ballot boxes in florida were left behind in the building by the election judge whose sole job is to ensure the votes are taken to be counted?
Sounds fishy, but I'm sure things are getting blown out of proportion to some degree.
that's been my experience, err, well,
they don't scream for ASP... they scream that they need to be able to export the data on a web page into an excel spreadsheet... which can be done on a unix box (see the current perl Journal), but 1/2 of your IT department doesn't know that because they are microsoft zombies . but the point is, microsoft wins the end-user with MS Office & that makes the battle steep and endless. And when you are trying to get things done the only persuasive argument becomes...sure that NT box can do it...but it does it scale to meet the needs of the enterprise (this is when you close your eyes and pray and hope not to hear, "yeah, we should run that on the mainframe")
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I think it comes down to this...
There are going to be perl scripts written in perl6, object oriented style. If it catches on, there will be many many scripts written, including ones inside your company or group of friends. So at that point you can decide whether you can find the motivation to learn OO and Perl6. Either way, somebody will take the baton and run with it....
Like it or not, there is a great chance that Perl6 will catch on, because it has lots of support and probably a few book contracts! From what I understand, perl 6 is going to run perl 5 code....so if you don't mind being deprecated....
deprecated: marked for future replacement, not upgradable/supported, unwilling to move along with progress.
I can certainly understand how most computer ppl begin to have a limit for wanting to learn new stuff, but its all part of the job, like it or leave it....sux, don't it?
The TiVO has a button that acts like the commercial advance button on your VCR. except in three speeds.
-K.
Within a realm of dark and gloom
Stood the cold unopened tome
With symbols strange and runes abnormal
beaconed things far from formal
Chosen once; beyond the tatter
it wasn't such a simple matter
But with the turn of a few pages
I had found the wisdom of the ages
A simple script; instead of masses
to parse the data into classes
to learn the magic through the channel
of a book on perl (the camel).
Microsoft file system partition hiding support for those Linux users who don't want to admit they are dual booting??
No no no. A thesaurus is primarily useful for finding the word that was on the tip of Will Shortz's tongue. for example
It looks to me that even the Portuguese would have trouble directly defining "saudade".
Isn't that the beauty of life? If feelings were completely encompassed by single words, and no definition (however inadequate) was needed, then poetry itself would be useless. I'm voting on the side that any feeling cannot be summed up in entirety by *any* language, only explored, felt.
For those interested, lazy types:
schadenfreude \SHAHD-n-froy-duh\, noun:
A malicious satisfaction in the misfortunes of others
yes, I meant couldn't.
These issues can drive a person insane! Because in the end (like many other things) it comes down to "What are you going to do about it?"
In the end, you can write your congressman and chose not to support WindowsXP itself. but as they say "no man is an island" and sometimes you have to live with what the market chooses, unless you want to regulate the crap out of what other people might think is innovative/convenient (oh, i can login to my os,my hotmail, msn, and my stock portfolio all at once? no more 6 logins?) Most people don't even consider the consequences of that, mostly because they trust microsoft & love convience.
I just always get the feeling that you can stand on a soapbox on the corner complaining but i don't know who's opinion is harder to sway: congressmen/government or the general public. And in this case, you got to do both. And this late in the game, it's government first...
M$ wants to make $$$. Congress wants to get re-elected. The average home user wants convience (sp?).
What are you going to do??? Let me know. I don't feel like i can change the world anymore.
I recently purchased Money 2002 and it has you sign up for a passport ID on install. Then everytime you open Money, it asks for it again.
Now, this may be just a "software choice" and not "forced on by the OS" but it still leads me to believe the FTC could care less. This problem is too ingrained in the commerce/commercialism division of capitalism, the only way to change it is by regulating it (hoping that enough congressmen/women are not totally on the side of big business) (and regulation of businesses is another big topic, and has many problems associated with it) or leaving it up to consumer choice/free market...but face it...it's hard to motivate ppl who just want to balance thier checkbook/email/browse the web and could care less about the implications....
I think there is extremism on both ends. Too much regulation and you can sqelch true innovation, or hurt businesses, or create huge goverments. But if you rely on the market and the population to chose, well, lets just say its hard to beat a intel's/microsoft marketshare with the average complacent home user who might use his computer for 3 hrs a week... because in aggregate that makes a lot more marketshare than the 10% who realize that hey there are better alternatives out there....
All this work, and ... it doesn't matter. Desktop computer users care about what they can do on their machines. They want reliability,
check
simplicity,
getting a heck of a lot better---linux is worlds simpler than it used to be
access to popular software,
This seems extremely short-sighted to me. How can linux desktop software become "popular" until linux desktops become more popular? cygwin, maybe?
and the ability to communicate easily with other users.
check.
Somewhere deep inside the comments on both sides that start comparing linux to microsoft are missing the fact that most linux users are on average more technically savvy, expecially if they are connected to the big old net. So obviously, when linux announces a security hole a majority of users who are attached to the web get concerned and go out immediately and update thier system.
But when companies and home users are running a COTS that they prolly didn't even install and don't even no what say IIS is, they don't get real concerned about updating thier systems.
For an example, look at Code Red Infections that occured after the security hole had been announced.
True, I don't have a TiVO .... I do have a friend that records shows on his pc, but I always figured the big thing with the TiVO is the ability to plan what shows to record and getting like the whole menu of stuff...and ratings etc. I'm sure its worth it, but I'm also sure someone could put together software that could do it for your commputer too. And a lot of ppl already have a lot invested in thier computers, are you saying for an extra $300 you couldn't get the equipment to record from cable? You may be right...I should ask my friend....you'd still might have to kick it off manually or with some perl scripts....and then there's the rerun thing...
I understand that, but it seems like everyone wants to add stuff....I mean, next it will network with other devices or your pc (with out hacking it) and next it will play dvds etc etc until basically it is a pc again. Its kinda like when you start with a calculator and end up with a organizer,printer,programming,electric-circuit testor. Sometimes it seems better to keep it simple...or at least a *model* that is simple cause mebbe I don't want to play games on my TiVO cause I already sprung for the Playstation or PC.
Besides, it seems to me that when products start concentrating on more than thier original use, they get sloppy or make design comprimises. TiVO might have nice menus for selecting tv channels and stuff but maybe it gets all complicated with the games added in cause now you can have an option to videotape your games or something. I just think sometimes its better to keep it simple.
For instance, if you want a fast sports car, you don't get the minivan space, or the minivan suspension for a reason.
Imagine that. A device that allows "gaming, television and full net access" it's like feature creep ppl, if you want that then get a decent video in/video out video card and a computer. TiVO would seem to me to target people who are less technically savvy and prolly just want each machine to do its piece....like the TiVO is an advanced VCR and thats all it needs to be for them. If they want gaming then they go buy the X-box or whatever. Just seems like a combined one would make less revenue...
But you are right I guess, sooner or later someone will combine it. I can't wait to get my combined digital refrigirator/blender/organizer web enabled sink.
The way I figure, this isn't all that unusual unless you are a non-M$ user.
:)
For instance, take "Quicken" Ever notice how it encourages you to connect to the internet, get an id at www.quicken.com, tells you all about Quicken loans, etc etc etc.
Then AOL, they send a cd to your house every month, spread crap all over your desktop if you use thier messengers etc etc etc.
Then the x10 camera popups. It goes on and on, and its a side effect of capitalism and marketing.
Credit card companies send you envelops full of ads. You get spam directed toward your emails.
And it works, because its annoying...its works, because people will sign up for passport, people will upgrade to XP.
But luckily there's plenty of people who won't, for different reasons. That's what's so great FREE as in No $$ software, it takes the marketing out...so no big need to advertise (although it isn't stomped out completely, since people always want recognition or a link to thier site, or continued recognition through all future developments (thank goodness all licensing isn't like that))
I'm not saying its a great thing---but hey paying for cable and still getting commercials isn't FAIR either---try petitioning you local big business congressman on that
Current PIII-boards won't be able to host the new breed. my mistake! Why is it that we hold on to incompatibilities some things but not in others, seems like in hardware its ok to constantly change the interfaces and chipsets but yet we deal with years on things like memory limits on booting and other strange x86 stuff.... It has to be due to the fact that its profitable to always have some new product to sell....new chipsets, new software to get past the hardware architecture limits....the pc is built on such a patch tradition.... -K
I think that Intel will release it just because they'll be able to continue to sell to the ppl with Socket 370 mainboards, and the manufacturers who already have an investment in building computers with those boards, which are probably more stable than the newer mobos. Its a way of keeping the revenue stream wide...there are still plenty of ppl that will buy the P4 just because of the 3 blue guys -K.
+1 Funny
hmm... just because you have a right to do something doesn't mean it doesn't have consequences. Even revolutionaries set up governments to maintain order. I pay taxes to build and maintain those roads so I can travel on them just the same as you have the right to protest, however, for both of us to coexist under the same government and not have people blocking streets because "its cloudy today" there is a consequence to blocking a road...that doesn't mean you should never protest. It just ups the ante for what you are willing to protest about. People have been known to give their lives in protest...
coming from someone a little to the right, I can assure you that bush WILL NOT overturn roe vs. wade and neither will the supreme court. First of all, it would be political suicide, and secondly, plenty of supreme court justices have been appointed or confirmed by republicans in the past ten appointments. Abortion is a dead issue, unless you are talking RU-486 and partial birth. SO, to some extent, your fears and unjustified.
Everytime someone says that "A vote for nader is a vote for bush", it shows how brainwashed they are into a two party system. Show me in the constitution where it says that a democrat or a republican is entitled to a vote...
That makes as much sense as:
Not Voting in a U.S. election is a vote for Canada.
Florida's Electoral could vote for whomever they damn well please
As I understand, and i'm not an expert, but I heard this on the radio this morning, this can only occur in states that have "faithless electors". I'm not sure if florida is one of them...if it is there is a chance on december 18 that they cast thier vote in favor of who won the popular election.
Also, I heard that the republicans are having the vote recounted in Wisconsin.
In any case, we really need to upgrade our election equipment as I'm still voting with a paper ballot...and the whole thing seems pretty insecure in many respects. Did anyone else hear that 9 ballot boxes in florida were left behind in the building by the election judge whose sole job is to ensure the votes are taken to be counted?
Sounds fishy, but I'm sure things are getting blown out of proportion to some degree.
reminds me of a clip of a song...don't know where it is from...
I go to school to learn, not for a fashion show
that's been my experience, err, well, ... they scream that they need to be able to export the data on a web page into an excel spreadsheet ... which can be done on a unix box (see the current perl Journal), but 1/2 of your IT department doesn't know that because they are microsoft zombies . but the point is, microsoft wins the end-user with MS Office & that makes the battle steep and endless. And when you are trying to get things done the only persuasive argument becomes...sure that NT box can do it...but it does it scale to meet the needs of the enterprise (this is when you close your eyes and pray and hope not to hear, "yeah, we should run that on the mainframe")
they don't scream for ASP
not sure linux development cycle is ISO9000 compliant.
-k.