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Review of the BSD part of MacOS X Beta
gbooker writes " Deamon News has an interesting article about the BSD core of MacOS X Beta. They talk about how it differs from the traditional MacOS AND how it differs from BSD. This is the first installment of what could be an interesting series."
Mac OS X is like BSD with a new GUI on top. It uses the tcsh shell, and has standard Unix tools. The fs directory structure is diferent. Whooop.
Syllable : It's an Operating System
Just because Mac OS X has BSD components doesn't mean that it needs to be compared to every other BSD out there. We went thru all of this in the late 80's with NeXTstep/OpenStep. Mac OS X is essentially OpenStep with display pdf (rather than postscript), updated media layers, and Mac app compatibility layers. It's not intended to be a killer replacement for xBSD, it never was.
It all sounded quite fascinating, except for when I got to the point that you need to reboot the computer in order to make certain changes. Even stranger was that the changes wouldn't take effect until GUI portion was loaded.
Macs and Intel systems have always had ups and downs. For example, Mac's never had the full software assortment of Intel systems. But Mac's always seem to use their hardware much more effeciently. I boot up with an athlon 1ghz and 256 megs of ram into windows 98, and it lags to the point of a crawl, but a nice little 400mhz G4 with 64 megs runs like a lawyer toward a car accident. Hopefully, the bsd core in MacOS X will get more programs ported to the Mac Architechture, or if all else fails, spread BSD a bit farther in computer society.
I am !amused.
The author of the article has probably never touched a NeXT system (or a PC, SPARC, or HP box running OpenStep). NetInfo is not new, it's over 10 years old and well documented. Properly implemented on a network it makes life soooooo much easier. Please, before you compare NeXTstep/OpenStep/Rhapsody/MacOSX to your favorite flavor of BSD, do some research on NeXTstep and NetInfo. It makes a lot more sense if you have a real interstanding of why things are the way they are.
Try this link for some pointers and URLs:
http://204.214.75.123/next/index.html
ah, to be in the presence of the master . . . go Bob!
Slashdot, come for the goatse, stay for the trolls.
> However, if you make changes to your IP address/DNS/etc. settings, you are informed that you must restart for the changes to take effect. Even if this stuff is 'hard-wired' into the NetInfo setup, it should only require a re-HUP of NetInfo for this to change, not a restart.
/etc/syslogd.conf (instead of systlogd) after changing it.
Profound misunderstanding here. Netinfo only holds the information. re-HUP of netinfo make as much sense as saying re-HUP
The reason why a reboot is required is that the various configuration are made at boot time, based on info extracted from the netinfo database. He probably could skip the reboot by relaunching the correct scripts.
The best thing about netinfo is that it is hierarchical, ie: that you can have network-level configuration on a 'master server', whith every little bit customised in your local net-info database.
There exist a port of netinfo for linux. Lost the pointer, but I may dig it up if needed...
Cheers,
--fred
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how, and if so when will I be able to port this to an affordable computer. This is not a Mac flame(tm), this is just a question from someone who does not want to shell out the amount of cash required to buy a Mac.
People replying to my sig annoy me. That's why I change it all the time.
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my poor connection is bogged down already.. here is a mirror of that page of NeXT hardware and software links (NeXTstep, OpenStep, NetInfo):
http://www.beyondboxes.com/next/
I wonder if Macs will become standard issue to the web hsoting community. Designers already love them, and admins are just screaming for more power to their *nix like boxes. With all of the hardware power that Apple has been putting in their boxes, does this make OSX the perfect box? What about performance compared to a Linux box running on a P3 Intel box? Where the software is free mind you.
Nate
THIS SPACE FOR RENT
http://www.beyondboxes.com/next/
Follow the links, learn about NeXT's NeXTstep and OpenStep. See where your Windowmaker/AfterStep/GNUstep are modeled after. See what Apple's Mac OS X is based on. See what NetInfo is all about.
Not all drunk drivers kill. It's not the drinking part that should be illegal, but the killing bit. Gary
"Making linux GPL was the best thing I ever did" - Torvalds. I'd hate to see the worst thing...
Guess what? Nobody cares!
So some politician decided to Have A Life before entering politics - big deal!
People should not be afraid of their governments - Governments should be afraid of their people.
WTF!!?? How can you blame someone for what his father did? What possible bearng does that have at all to his situation? Do you want to be implicated for any of your parents (or grandparents problems)? Come on, face it you just hate the fact that he might win and you can't find anything legitamate to accuse him of. He isn't satan incarnate and that conflicts with your "republicans are evil" propiganda. You are just beside yourselves trying to figure out how this can be. Maybe his character is indeed better and maybe he would do a better job for the american people. But no that couldn't possibly be true. You couldn't actually vote for the best person for the job, could you? You have to stick to your aligience to the Nazi's and are now stuck trying to come up with excuses for why you refuse to vote for the right man for the job.
What about performance compared to a Linux box running on a P3 Intel box? Where the software is free mind you.
why not just put ppc linux on the mac hardware and use whats already out there for linux: apache/php/postgresql/etc?
john
-- john
Go to the Mac OS X section of Apple's website and submit a complaint. THat's what it's there for.
You already said this, look at my response to your last foolishness
If you, like most other Internet server admins with a fully-functional brain stem, prefer Unix over the NT kernel, then Mac OS X will be the first true consumer OS that you will ever feel comfortable with.
Come on, do we really need to take cheap shots like this? If you ask me, any "server admin with a fully-functional brain stem" would use the tool that best fits the job, even if that means (gasp) NT. Like it or not, Windows is better for some things. Personally I prefer UNIX systems, but that doesn't mean it should be my way or the highway (perhaps the corniest cliche ever uttered).
Is it just me who's tired of the "My OS can beat up your OS" wars?
-- "Complacency is a far more dangerous attitude than outrage." -Naomi Littlebear
>>is that Mac finally invented something
Who's Mac? Some guy that works for Apple?
But seriously, NetInfo is over 10 years old and was created by NeXT for their NeXTstep operating system (later renamed OpenStep after some major changes). Mac OS X is based on OpenStep.
Hmmm.. So Mac OSX = BSD + Nice GUI. And the article reveals that (modulo freely available dev tools) it's a full BSD port.
So... I can use Linux/BSD + XFree + KDE/Gnome and play the Catchup-with-continuous-development game, or I can get a nice shiny easy to use Mac, get the benefit of (theoretically) 15 yrs worth of legacy Apps, *and* the cutting-edge of Open software fresh from the labs.
Is this is future of UNIX-for-the-masses?
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I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
I see that AOLserver (www.aolserver.com) now has a binary for Mac OS X Public Beta. As does Apache (1.3.X, cross compiled for PPC & Intel for OS X and Darwin). Now if Oracle would only port Oracle 9 to OS X...
It's well known that Jobs uses both Toshiba and IBM laptops running NeXTstep/OpenStep (the OS made by his former company, NeXT... the basis of Mac OS X). His presentations are often run off his personal laptop and he bought some of his recent machines preconfigured by Bifrost Workstations (see link at http://www.beyondboxes.com/next/).
It borrows some technologies from OpenStep like Cocoa and bundles, but it borrows a lot of stuff from MacOS as well as brand new stuff. The kernel is completely new, the display server is completely new, the driver architecture is completely new, etc. To say this is 'updated OpenStep' is misleading, you might as well say it's updated MacOS.
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
>life
You're right-on about it being moreso about the features and layout of NeXTstep. Only really difference is the color and style of the GUI widgets and the exact names of the directories.
Darwin has a better designed driver architecture, is better organized, and potentially a lot faster than FreeBSD--it's monolithic.
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
>life
Speaking as a '6 macs 9 PCs running linux' user I agree with the sentiment. It's the same thing I used to say about DOS users in the 80s.
After looking at a self-proclaimed 'Pro' compiling and using GIMP I'm convinced it's the most expensive piece of graphics software ever created given that time is money.
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
>life
While the GUI is still sluggish for me, everything else about the OS has been wicked fast. I haven't done any benchmarks, but as far as my daily work (compiling, running scripts, etc) it feels MUCH faster than any other box I have around.
Slashdot apparently pissed off Apple, they've got /.hidden!
Thimo
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Avoid the Gates of Hell. Use Linux!
Say what you will about quality, etc, but Mac OS X is made by an actual commerical company. In theory this means support and well-tested code. If nothing else, it means there is someone to sue if all else fails.
While NetInfo has write privilages, it doesn't have rea privilages. This allows anybody to view the rood passwd, which is a simple crypt hash.
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>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
>life
about half-way down the page:
http://macosrumors.com/?view=recent
Note that Apple tried to venture into the enterprise market a few years back with some "larger" servers, but this effort was a total failure.
Trickle down worked and Bill took credit for it
Really, there's no excuse for not using ksh93 on any system anymore; ATT has released it open-source, and it is hundreds of times more powerful than anything else.
This whole dtksh/cde thing, where most commercial vendors install both ksh88 and ksh93, is total brain-damage. But I guess you expect this from commercial UNIX.
I love to ramble...
excerpt from article:
"The genius of NetInfo is that it provides a uniform way of accessing and manipulating all system and network configuration information."
Maybe I'm missing something, but I fail to see any ingenuity here. Granted, these guys are good enough to admit they aren't hard-core, old-school sysadmins, but still... NIS/NIS+ have been answering this question for years now. Despite any failings you might cite about yp, netinfo hardly seems like an improvement.
The nsswitch mechanism, present on almost every unix these days, allows you to map {passwd, shadow, group, hosts, services, mail aliases, etc.} against {dns, local files, nis, etc} transparently as you see fit. If your system doesn't support host or password lookups against an LDAP database (as glibc-2.1 now does), there's a good chance you can build a module...
OK, having a central, common, consistent facility for everything sounds "nice", right? This flies in the face of the unix-credo: "Every tool should do one thing well". When confronted with a scredriver and pliers, do you complain: "You mean this one works by turning and that one works by squeezing?" No. This, to me, is akin to complaining about having multiple formats for '/etc/passwd' and dns zone files.
When I read about doing name-service (esp. passwd) stuff from files in single user mode and via some external service during multiuser mode, I almost choked. Local files aren't consulted when you're connected to a remote netinfo server? (Unix answers the question with the '/etc/nsswitch.conf' entry hosts: files nis or similar.) This essentially means that some external machine can tell you who root, wheel, localhost and shutdown are. I don't know if this is a horrible oversight, a design flaw, or some kludge to avoid implementing a real nsswitch. This is not a feature, its a bug. It begs questions about what other kludges will be used to patch it up.
It sounds to me like Apple has re-invented the wheel, and in fine tradtion, decided to make it different for the sake of being different.
I'll stick with my round wheels, thank you.
void rbowles(int signature)
{
signal(signature, rbowles);
raise(signature);
/* MAGIC THEATRE
ENTRANCE NOT FOR EVERYBODY
MADMEN ONLY */
Apple's AIX-based, large format servers were well-recieved, but overpriced and poorly marketed (Apple targeted education and publishing -- audiences that at the time had no idea what Unix was, let alone the AIX flavor). AIX media wasn't included nor was any administration software. After a minor speedbump, the Apple Network Servers disappeared.
As for a clone server, "Apple is a hardware company" and any sort of licensing would end up costing both parties more than it would be worth. Buuuutttt... why couldn't Apple make an ATX PowerMac G4 board based on the UMA1 or UMA2 chipset? They could sell it at a price where they would be making money but low enough to make it worthwhile for end-users and VARs to customize. Sun does it.
Again, this is something that should be addressed to Apple. Mac OS X is not GPL and therefor most Slashdot readers can't do much to fix this. Let Apple know, it's why they have a feedback form on their Mac OS X site.
Looking back at my comment, I noticed that my "subject line" looks a bit like flame-bait.
Sorry, this was unintentional.
void rbowles(int signature)
{
signal(signature, rbowles);
raise(signature);
/* MAGIC THEATRE
ENTRANCE NOT FOR EVERYBODY
MADMEN ONLY */
I belive bash is included. Grab the GNU tools and compile your favorite shell.
Use some of the existing Mac OS X YP/NIS/NIS+ tools if you don't care for NeXT's NetInfo. Let Apple know how you feel about this.
Suck on this...
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Trickle down DID NOT work! Recession ring a bell???
I believe OpenStep was simply the name for the API wasn't it?
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Wow! It's old news and irrelevant that in 1995 VP Gore violated US law and didn't notify Congress that we entered into a secret agreement with the russians to help the iranians get nukes. The russians get cash, iranians get weapons tech, and dear Al gets the gratitude of Victor Chernomyrdin. Big Whoop.
BUT!
It's relevant to deciding your vote on the fact that the Reagan-Bush (George the father) administration played footsie with Iran and sent them some amounts of small conventional arms (no tanks, no F-16s, etc).
Get a different drug supplier. Whatever he's selling you, it's rotting your brain.
DB
<p>If enough people scream for ASP and Access, then NT needs to be a part of the solution.</p>
<p>The art is guiding and convincing otherwise.</p>
I'd like to thank the Slashdot Gortician appreciation society for their continued involvement... And you know I have a much bigger dick than you...
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Not to be too sharply critical of your criticism, but the article says "It's interesting to note that, as befits the NeXT heritage of NetInfo, many of the NetInfo-related man pages are dated 1989." And the article contains a link to Apple's tech note on NetInfo.
Please, do read the student's writing completely before criticizing him for not doing his homework. :)
Nope...you got it all wrong ...
OpenStep was NeXT computer's operating system. It was the 4.x version of their previous OS called NeXTSTEP, revamped with an API change that was open.
This "open" API was actually an open specs, but not an open source implementation; implementation was up to the licensee of this open API specs. This API specs was called OPENSTEP. The case sentitiveness is important.
Karma karma karma karma karmeleon: it comes and goes, it comes and goes.
One interesting inclusion in the OS-X public beta is a Java 1.2 JDK. Wonder if they'll have 1.3 ready for the release.
Um.. maybe it's so that the user can enable the functionality if they want it, without having to recompile the kernel? It seems very reasonable to me that MacOS X's target market will be people who might want things like firewalls, but also might not want to get too dirty. Enabling stuff in the kernel and then shipping it with config files that don't use those features by default, seems like the Right Thing to do if you want easy configurability.
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Can't you afford an $800 new iMac?
"It is our blasphemy which has made us great, and will sustain us, and which the gods secretly admire in us." - Zelazny
I think it's funny that, 10-15 years after the big excitement about microkernels, they finally seem to be poised to enter the mainstream. I mean sure, there was NeXT, but I think it's pretty clear that MOSX will be much bigger. And with Debian working on the Hurd, that should start to get interesting soon as well. I gotta question though... why is Apple using Mach 2.5? I seem to recall that Mach III was supposed to be faster and offer cleaner interfaces...
Will someone also be doing a review on the MS-DOS portion of Windows?
Slashdot: come for the pedantry, stay for the condescension.
This shows a complete lack of any serious unix experience, since most of the major vendors have some way of accomplishing this. Sun's been doing with with NIS for around the same amount of time as NetInfo has been around.
Perhaps BSD has ignored NIS, but Linux certainly hasn't.
7 November 2006: The day Americans realized corruption and incompetence weren't addressing 11 September 2001
Well, we can all be sure of one thing; OS X will have a much better memory management structure than OS9, but it'll crash a whole lot more than BSD. Which, in the end, will mean diddly-squat when it comes to actually running programs.
Remember, this is about the workstation version of OS X, not the server version. Therefore, the focus is to be on overall stability and performance in foreground applications, not background processes (ftpd and the like). Bottom line: if OS X crashes while running Photoshop or Final Cut Pro, it will be a laughable failure for Apple and their workstation OS.
"Ancillary does not mean you get to rule the world." --U.S. Circuit Judge Harry Edwards, speaking to the FCC's lawyer
If Apple ports OSX to CHRP/POP systems we could get a rackmount CHRP/POP based server.
Apple lacks the Enterprise level server hardware, since OSX is limited to Apple Mac hardware and Apple isn't going to have a 64 processor Mac Server any time soon, Apple better port OSX to other platforms or at least the PowerPC CHRP/POP platform.
Then again, if tenon's xtools were free in its final release, as it now is in beta...or some other coca-x server wrapper library that was free is implemented, osx users could get the best of both worlds.
Granted, newbies aren't going to be out there compiling new apps right and left, but we experienced users can...and then post the binaries, or write small installers, and then...osx==gnu/mac hybrid.
that's my plan for my next box!
Character alone does not make a good president, the fact that Bushs fiscal plans are clearly allinged with the super-wealthy scare me greatly. I don't want a president who caters to large corporations and the elite. And the fact that he didn't release Social Security IS a federal progam further proves his ignorance, do you really want this man handling foreign policy when he dosen't understand the strucure of his own government.
In short, ditch the imposter CPU and get 100% i686.
"Ancillary does not mean you get to rule the world." --U.S. Circuit Judge Harry Edwards, speaking to the FCC's lawyer
Not until Apple ships a dual capable mobo with integrated 100 bit or 1000 bit ethernet and integrated video, so that either they or someone else can slap them into 1U enclosures
Apple's current G4 motherboards are all dual-processor capable, and the G4's also include Gigabit ethernet now, and thier older motherboards (Beige G3) also included integrated video.
Re:Will this catch on in the web hosting community (Score:1) by um... Lucas (lk@caralis.com) on Friday November 03, @09:33AM PDT (#176) (User #13147 Info) http://www.dioxidized.com/ Not until Apple ships a dual capable mobo with integrated 100 bit or 1000 bit ethernet and integrated video, so that either they or someone else can slap them into 1U enclosures. Because right now, you can fit 13 or 14 cobalt raq's into the space required by 3 or 4 G4's. So it's not really a winning proposition that way. At some point a while back, some outfit was shipping 1U enclosures for iMac motherboards,
I believe that outfit was Marathon Computers. They also will mount your B&W G3/G4 into a 4U rack (that's still pretty big).
Doh!
No it isn't ! Apple's MacOS X is still solely about the first idea. The fact that there is some unix stuff under the hood does not mean they are trying to fullfill the second idea. It is still a Mac, intended for Mac users.
It's amusing though to see that now they left the hood open all those unix folks are taking a peek down there. But I wouldn't be too surprised if Apple would close the door in the final release.
Johan de Jong
Also, having used a message-passing kernel, they don't seem to be doing much with it. I would have expected heavy use of IPC. But then, Apple killed OpenDoc, which was the only thing they made that really needed IPC.
Go to places like Tom's Hardware and see their comparison of the Athlon to the PIII.. It's no contest. The only thing that may be is that windows was optimized SPECIFICALLY for the Intel processor line..
As for the driver set, BFD ! Get a top of the line brand new gee whiz video card, it needs new drivers too ! or .. get a brand new motherboard with a new chip set and you have to get new drivers too..
Just because it needs new drivers doesn't mean much. EVERYTHING needs drivers, just because AMD's aren't included in Winblows default distribution isn't their fault.
I run an Athlon 700 at home and my machine at work is a 700 PIII and the PIII seems slower..
UPS Sucks
If you still don't see my point, I'll put it another way: AMD didn't bother to get the Athlon right the first time, and they're paying for it by having to release "enhancement driver upgrades" for all Athlon owners.
Personally, I'm sticking with my P3 on a 440BX until Intel gets out of its venture funk. VIA and AMD are too notorious for not getting it right the first time, but then, isn't that also the Linux reputation? Wow, I'm starting to see the parallel...
"Ancillary does not mean you get to rule the world." --U.S. Circuit Judge Harry Edwards, speaking to the FCC's lawyer
Are you sure you meant mach 2.5???
all the marketing guff I've found proudly proclaims the use of Mach 3.0 and Bsd 4.4...
I was pretty sure that the last openstep (4.2) relied upon mach 2.5.
A host is a host from coast to coast, but no one uses a host that's close
I really don't know why I am responding to your post, as it is some of the most illiterate prattle I have ever read.
I remembered this one after using my mom's Win95 machine and having media player crash on me: In Win2K, a program which uses MMSYSTEM that ends up crashing will not kill the sound. Instead, MMSYSTEM is restarted instantly. Also, you can run MULTIPLE INSTANCES of MMSYSTEM (i.e.: run Winamp, RealPlayer, Media Player, and Cool Edit all at once!). DirectSound is still first come, first served, but that's how it was meant to be.
DOS box log! You're not trapped in 80x25 anymore; there's now a buffer in each DOS box, and you can scroll up to previous lines (excellent for doing that >200 line tracert!)
The most stable Direct3D support. Great for 3DSMAX, Unreal Tournament, The Sims, and other D3D programs.
All calls to OPENGL32.DLL are redirected to the hardware accelerator (unless the software RGB emulator is specified). This includes the OpenGL screensavers, which run MUCH faster due to this.
Integrating IE into the operating system isn't all that bad. You can just type a URL into the path, and that Windows Explorer window turns into an IE window. This is one great timesaver.
File system advances: FAT32 support (though you can't format a volume larger than 32GB as FAT32, since NTFS is more efficient at that point), disk quotas, and per-file encryption.
By default, upon a STOP error (blue screen of death), only the first 640K of RAM is dumped, and the system is automatically restarted (not like NT4, where all RAM was dumped and the system would stay at the BSOD until the user restarted). This can be changed to your liking, but 2000 usually only goes to the BSOD when running corrupt programs.
"Ancillary does not mean you get to rule the world." --U.S. Circuit Judge Harry Edwards, speaking to the FCC's lawyer
I think that would be in the best interest of Apple to let that happen.
Checking over at pricewatch, I could build the following machine for $800:
600 mhz Duron, Mini Tower Case, God knows what Motherboard (barebones system, $200) + 128 megs PC133 SDRAM ($100) + CD Rom ($50) + Floppy, NIC or modem, sound ($70) + 10 gig hard drive ($100 easily) + Old voodoo vid card ($50).
Don't think I'm missing something, and I still get $200 to buy a cheap monitor and keyboard/mouse. Heck, I could even go cheaper, since I know there are barebones systems for under $200 with sound/nic/modem/video on the motherboard (*shudder* at the thought).
Not sure about the performance of a low end iMac, but I'm assuming that this machine would be faster for most applications.
... the GUI does, but you don't *NEED* to do a reboot to change the IP info.
Use 'winipcfg' to force a refresh on the network card after you've changed your TCP/IP settings (make sure nothing that uses TCP/IP is running, though, this sometimes confuses it), and you can change your settings without needing a full reboot... I do it all the time.
; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
lighten up!
the animal doesnt even have opposable thumbs, focker!
By default, upon a STOP error (blue screen of death), only the first 640K of RAM is dumped, and the system is automatically restarted (not like NT4, where all RAM was dumped and the system would stay at the BSOD until the user restarted). This can be changed to your liking, but 2000 usually only goes to the BSOD when running corrupt programs
... care to fill in a clueless W2k user on how to stop W2k from moving past a BSOD too fast?
HOW do you change this? I think I have a corrupt video driver on my laptop which causes these crashes, but the damned thing keeps rebooting before I can get to the pause key
; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
it already _does_ support a certain level of gaming (see ac post). but for serious gaming, people buy a game console. for $200 you get hardware as powerful as your computer
i wonder if the business model of desktop computers will have to change...
the animal doesnt even have opposable thumbs, focker!
the low end imac is at least as fast
and in chick magnetism, it wins hands down!
to answer the original question: darwin (mosx sans gui) is available for intel. the gui is closed, you cant port it. so you have to compare the whole system: 600 mhz duron with win/linux to imac with os x
the usual "depending on whose benchmarks you believe and which part of system performance you are looking at" applies
the animal doesnt even have opposable thumbs, focker!
"No, son, that's just AFCArchvile. Now stop that, it isn't polite to point and stare."
Go play in the street, you living defiance of the theory of Darwinism, you.
Tell me, how the hell were my two comments "over rated?" All i was doing was actuall responding to an inquiry, not bashing Apple's product line up... And this article is about Apple afterall...
HOW do you change this? I think I have a corrupt video driver on my laptop which causes these crashes, but the damned thing keeps rebooting before I can get to the pause key ... care to fill in a clueless W2k user on how to stop W2k from moving past a BSOD too fast?
Heh... try this:
From your desktop, right click on my computer and go to properties.
Click on the Advanced tab, and then click on the Startup and Recovery button.
The setting you'd like to change should be in there.
Hope that helps,
Mike.
(BTW: I believe by default, only 64k is dumped, not 640k, in case you wanna know)
--Ask a silly person, get a silly answer.
And to be technical. Its not the CPU that needs the drivers.. Its the motherboard... And every mboard manufacturer tweaks and tweaks the drivers..
Intel is just lucky enough to have their drivers installed in Winblows by default (their chipset drivers that is).
And like the Pentium hasn't had updates ? (Remember the F00F bug that screwed the Pentium ? Or the Math Co problem in early pentiums too )
I think AMD got it pretty damned good for their 1st Athlon release... Compared to Pentium followed by the Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Pentium III and finally Pentium IV [when it finally shows up]...
UPS Sucks
>>> It will be a lesson learned too late
I love this , Mac users have never heard anyone say this before.
The "gauzy ghetto of boutique computing"
I know I like it there, its better than selling boxes for cheapskates.
BK
Speaking of spelling stuff wrong, I would suggest spelling chlamydia and herpes correctly. :P
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a limited edition
we are now accepting callers
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Hee hee. I have a friend working at Apple along a hall that Jobs always walks down. He always know when the boss is coming 'cause the the air always turns blue.
A Government Is a Body of People, Usually Notably Ungoverned
Good post
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We are in 21st century. It's the GUI, stupid!
I am currently trying to switch to GNU/Linux precisely because Windows has so many similar "features" running behind your back. Isn't it precisely because Windows builds in abilities to network info that viruses are so easy? Why, then, isn't the OS X just a new enabler? What am I missing here?
Is there a way to turn all the data amassing features off? Is NetInfo just on the server version? Why can't someone crack in and find out all your passwords, where you've been, etc.?
If you can turn it off or bypass...pls. explain in detail, with specifics.
Thanks.