The first thing I thought of is if the pilot is injured or the instruments on board are damaged, the plane could possibly be landed safely by someone remotely from the airport, with the neural net overriding the standard system.
This would be great, but it will certainly lead to this story:
ARLINGTON, VA (AP)- Tragedy struck the passengers of a USAirways 737 today, when, during a remotely controlled emergency landing, the aircraft suddenly dropped 1500 feet and crashed into an apartment building. The controller doing the landing, James "QuakeR0kZy0" Fielding, explained to NTSB investigators that, during the landing, his mind drifted, and he realized how he could have "fragged that sucka" in a recent death match. Fielding apologized for the crash, but maintains that it wouldn't have happened if there were "fewer lame-ass campers". He then went on to praise former President Regan for creating his job opportunity for him, by firing striking air traffic controllers in the early 80s.
...as opposed to paying $100 for the latest and greatest bug fixes?
This is, I think, the fundamental difference between Linux, (and the open source movement), and Microsoft, (and the closed source movement): When I dowload the latest Linux product, either from Freshmeat, or, say, Red Hat, I am willing to forgive a certain amount of "un-documented features", because I got it for free, and I understand that the software is constantly evolving.
However, when I pay through the freaking nose for a Microsoft OS, or application, or even a game, and it's loaded with bugs, I am rightfully and seriously pissed off. When I pay for something, I expect it to be ready to go, and stable. Until Microsoft and the rest understand this, I'll gleefully enjoy what little value there is in "free".
Once again marketing (Sony, Nintendo) beats good design (Sega).
Remember the 3DO? At the time, it was a paradigm shift in console gaming. If memory serves me correctly, I was talking to a guy the other day and he told me that it had more or less an entire Amiga chipset inside. Why did it die? Nobody would make games for it. And why should they? Who in their right mind would have created a title taking advantage of this great platform and sell 12 of them, when they could have sold 50 thousand Street Fighter knockoffs for Genesis or N64?
Remember the NEO GEO? What a great idea! I can play the identical games at home that I play in the arcade! Holy crap! It looks just like the Arcade! Mom! Mom! Buy me one right now!(Those of you born before 1980 will recall, I'm sure, how we all drooled over Colecovision simply because their Donkey Kong cart was exactly the same as the one we played at the pharmacy, the bowling alley, and 7-11.)
Both of these systems, and now the Dreamcast, were too advanced for their own good. I mean, why buy Dreamcast and play its 15 games, when you can buy a PS2 and play 25 different side-scrolling shooters, 37 Football games, and 76 billion MK and Street Fighter clones?
Doug Miller, Microsoft's group product manager for competitive strategies,says, " the new Linux kernel lacks some of the key elements required for enterprise use".
Well, there it is right there. Now we know why there were so many problems with the Enterprise: Starfleet was running Windows.
And I'm actually supposed to know "the Grinch", I've never heard of him.
The Grinch is this character Jim Carrey plays in a movie. He was so popular, that this guy Dr. Seuss wrote a novelization of the movie, but in it he left out the really important things, like songs by Smashmouth and thinly veiled commercials for VISA and the US Postal Service. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a nice read, but he gets pretty preachy about how Christmas shouldn't come from a store, and that you should hug and dance with people. He also took out the central theme of The Grinch movie, which happens when Little Cindy Lou Who sings her "Christmas is complicated" song, where she laments that Christmas was carefree and fun when she was 4, but, now that she's 5, Christmas is confusing and complicated, wrought with politics and commercialism. Anyway, now you know who the Grinch is.:)
Why pay £1500 for a laptop that's only needed for text?
Why, indeed? You raise a great point here. I am a screenwriter, and I hate lugging my laptop around everywhere I go, just in case the muse strikes me. I'll be getting a PDA very soon, and I'm adding a stowaway to my list of must have accessories.
Incidentally, this is the type of discussion I would like to see more of on/. Since I'm only about 65% nerd these days (it's just too much damn work to keep up with the geektimes, and have a job and a family), it's nice to have a window into the collective nerd-intelligence.
...because the more foreceful marketing becomes (and it is far more aggressive than it was 10 years ago), the more resistant "consumers" become, and therefore the more foreceful and intrusive the marketers try to be.
I completely agree. My wife and I were in a local mall last week (in suburban Los Angeles), and noticed something that sounded like a commercial jingle above the din. We looked up, and saw a large monitor running commercials and playing music videos. This really bothered me. Wasn't it enough that I was already in the damn mall shopping?
Recently, I was driving on the Sunset Strip in Hollywood, and there was a terrible traffic jam, in the middle of the day. The cause? People were slowing, and in some cases, stopping their cars to look at a large, Times Square-ish video monitor, playing commercials for local businesses.
Personally, I hate this. I do everything I can to avoid advertising. I use filtering software, I call and demand to be removed from mailing lists. I opt out of everything I possibly can. I believe you could fairly call me "resistant" to marketing, yet, when I am out of my house, commercials and other forms of advertising bombard me at every turn.
Marketing is slowly but surely invading, and I do mean INVADING every aspect of our lives, and the type of personal data sharing that has been discussed here only serves to fuel this great Marketing Beast.
I think the day is not far off when, before you hear a dialtone on your phone, you'll hear a commercial.
I don't know how we do it, but we must take some sort of stand against intrusive marketing, before it gets (more) out of control.
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gibodean said: So does that mean it's going to be 12 hours late ?
Yes. It also means that we'll get to watch 7 minute inspirational vignettes featuring the struggles and sacrifices of all the nominees, and in an hour of programming, we'll see 38 minutes of commercials.
Lumpy said: I'd love the law, but the feds will not allow it.
I have to sadly agree with you. However, this judge should be applauded, for at least making the attempt to apply some of the same common sense protections to people who use computers that already apply to people who use pen and paper. Too bad this judge didn't get the DeCSS case.
From the article: Several elite universities decided against applying to review Carnivore after they examined the department's request for a proposal and concluded that the department would have too much control over the review. They said, for example, that the department had reserved the right to veto members of the review team, and to edit the team's report.
This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who is even casually familiar with American politics.
Once these people get into power, their chief objective becomes remaining in power. It stands to reason then, that they would never have a truly independent person or commission oversee anything as politically sensitive as Carnivore. They want people doing this who will "play ball" and who are already part of the system.
The surprising thing is not that the "partisian" word is being thrown around, it's that it has taken so long to come up. Come to think of it, it's a common political tactic to take a controversial subject, and hide the real issues behind supposedly indignant cries of "partisianship" and "political dirty tricks". If you need an example, look no further than the failure of congress to pass any kind of campaign finance reform.
And one last thing: I would be willing to wager that the vast majority of people in congress don't even understand how to install Windows and connect to the Internet, much less comprehend exactly what Carnivore does...frightening, isn't it? People who have so much effect on our lives and freedoms don't grok most of the things that are so important to us, but that won't stop them from making laws anyway.
"...bears a small, apparently 'coincidental' semblance (in the face) to intergalactic bounty hunter Boba Fett."
Early today, at great taxpayer expense, NASA issued a recall, in order to remove a back-mounted, launchable bright red missile from the robot. A NASA spokesman cited "concerned parents" as the reason.
...but once I entered the theatre, my body thetans got so enturbulated by the unknowingness of the wogs who were surrounding me, that I had to leave the theatre before I even got to see JT.
Fortunately, I live close enough to the CC that I could get a quick puricication rundown and race back to the theatre before I was brought up on ethics and sent to the RPF.
Seriously, though, I don't think I could have handled this movie if I wasn't a natural Clear who had battled Xenu in a former life, and reported him to the Loyal Officers.
...couldn't this really screw with the astronauts in the space shuttle?
Space Environment Center says: "Solar protons with energies greater than 30 MeV are particularly hazardous. In October 1989, the Sun produced enough energetic particles that an astronaut on the Moon, wearing only a space suit and caught out in the brunt of the storm, would probably have died. (Astronauts who had time to gain safety in a shelter beneath moon soil would have absorbed only slight amounts of radiation.)"
I was 8 in 1980, so I spent my formative years wading through some awful clothes and music that you just can't dance to, at all.
It's funny that this topic came up, since just yesterday I was proclaimed "Out of touch" by an 18 year-old girl (her reason was that I din't "get" the Backstreet Boys). Anyway, that event, and this reminded me of the following list I was sent about a year ago. If you're over 25, I think you'll appreciate it. *** The people who are starting college this fall across the nation were born in 1980.
They have no meaningful recollection of the Reagan era, and did not know he had ever been shot. And Jimmy Carter is that guy who builds houses.
They were prepubescent when the Persian Gulf War was waged.
Black Monday 1987 is as significant to them as the Great Depression.
There has only been one Pope.
They can only really remember one president. Who's Bush?
They were 11 when the Soviet Union broke apart, and do not remember the Cold War.
They have never feared a nuclear war. "The Day After" is a pill to them, not a movie.
CCCP is just a bunch of letters.
No one boycotted the Olympics. T-shirts have always had designer names and sports logos on them. They have only known one Germany. They are too young to remember the Space shuttle blowing up, and Tienamin Square means nothing to them.
They do not know who Qadafi is. Their lifetime has always included AIDS.
They never had a Polio shot, and likely, do not know what it is.
Bottles have not only always been twist off, but have always been plastic.
They have no idea what a pull top can looks like. Atari predates them, as do vinyl albums. The expression "you sound like a broken record" means nothing to them. They have never owned a record player.
They have likely never played Pac Man, and have never heard of Pong.
"Star Wars" looks very fake and the special effects are pathetic.
There have always been Red M&Ms, and Blue ones are not new. And what do you mean there used to be beige ones?
They may have heard of an 8-track, but chances are they probably have never actually seen or heard one. The Compact Disc was introduced when they were 1 year old.
As far as they know, stamps have always cost about 32 cents. Zip codes have always had a dash in them. They have always had an answering machine and a computer. Beepers are toys, not advanced technology.
Most have never seen a TV set with only 13 channels, nor have they seen a black and white TV. They have always had cable.
There have always been VCR's, but they have no idea what Beta is. They cannot fathom not having a remote control.
They were born the year that Walkmen were introduced by Sony. Roller-skating has always meant inline for them.
They have never heard of King Cola, Burger Chef, The Globe Democrat, Braniff, PanAM or Ozark Airlines.
The Tonight Show has always been with Jay Leno.
They have no idea when or why Jordache jeans were cool.
They are nostalgic for corduroy jeans, wide legs, platform shoes, Candie's, Pumas and rayon shirts - without experiencing the original versions.
Popcorn has always been cooked in a microwave. And what's a hot plate?
They have never seen and remember a game that included the St. Louis (Football) Cardinals, the Baltimore Colts, the Minnesota North Stars, the Kansas City Kings, the New Orleans Jazz, The Minnesota Lakers, The Atlanta Flames, or the Denver Rockies (NHL Hockey, that is)
They do not consider the Colorado Rockies, the Florida Marlins, The Florida Panthers, The Ottawa Senators, the San Jose Sharks, or the
Tampa Bay Lightning "expansion teams".
They have never seen Larry Bird play, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is a football player.
They never took a swim and thought about Jaws.
The Vietnam War is as much ancient history to them as WWI, WWII or even the Civil War.
They have no idea that Americans were ever held hostage in Iran.
They can't imagine what hard contact lenses are.
They don't know who Mork was or where he was from.
They never heard the terms "Where's the beef?", "I'd walk a mile for a Camel," or "de plane, de plane!".
They do not care who shot J. R. and have no idea who J. R. is.
The Cosby Show, The Facts of Life, Silver Spoon, The Love Boat, Miami Vice, WKRP in Cincinnati, and Taxi are shows they have likely never seen.
The Titanic was found? I thought we always knew where it was.
They cannot remember the Cardinals ever winning a World Series, or even being in one.
Kansas, Chicago, Boston, America, and Alabama are places, not groups.
McDonald's came in Styrofoam containers?
Do you feel old now? Remember, the people who don't know these things will be in college this year...and they can vote!
This comment is so far down, that most of you will probably never read it, but for the intrepid few who actually waded through the little flame-war above, I think I can shed some light on why this song was nominated.
I work in the entertainment industry, and I am active in my particular union. Without exception, in EVERY aspect of the entertainment industry, those of us who live and work in the US are losing jobs by the hundreds to films being shot in Canada. I know countless actors who have lost jobs recently because the show has "gone Canadian". As far as I can tell, none of us have anything against Canada or Canadians, but I think this shows some flicker of a sense of humor in the voting members of the MPAA, since blaming Canada is what a lot of out of work folks want to do right now.
America, on behalf of all Canadians, I apologize! We will destroy your country and feed the entrails of your children to our dogs, but it's nothing personal, eh?
You know, for years I have theorized that since something like 60% of Canadians live within 50 miles of the US border, it is because they are massing an invasion force to take the US by storm...;)
I thought god was dead. How come I'm always the last to hear these things?!
This would be great, but it will certainly lead to this story:
ARLINGTON, VA (AP)- Tragedy struck the passengers of a USAirways 737 today, when, during a remotely controlled emergency landing, the aircraft suddenly dropped 1500 feet and crashed into an apartment building. The controller doing the landing, James "QuakeR0kZy0" Fielding, explained to NTSB investigators that, during the landing, his mind drifted, and he realized how he could have "fragged that sucka" in a recent death match. Fielding apologized for the crash, but maintains that it wouldn't have happened if there were "fewer lame-ass campers". He then went on to praise former President Regan for creating his job opportunity for him, by firing striking air traffic controllers in the early 80s.
This is, I think, the fundamental difference between Linux, (and the open source movement), and Microsoft, (and the closed source movement): When I dowload the latest Linux product, either from Freshmeat, or, say, Red Hat, I am willing to forgive a certain amount of "un-documented features", because I got it for free, and I understand that the software is constantly evolving.
However, when I pay through the freaking nose for a Microsoft OS, or application, or even a game, and it's loaded with bugs, I am rightfully and seriously pissed off. When I pay for something, I expect it to be ready to go, and stable. Until Microsoft and the rest understand this, I'll gleefully enjoy what little value there is in "free".
Remember the 3DO? At the time, it was a paradigm shift in console gaming. If memory serves me correctly, I was talking to a guy the other day and he told me that it had more or less an entire Amiga chipset inside. Why did it die? Nobody would make games for it. And why should they? Who in their right mind would have created a title taking advantage of this great platform and sell 12 of them, when they could have sold 50 thousand Street Fighter knockoffs for Genesis or N64?
Remember the NEO GEO? What a great idea! I can play the identical games at home that I play in the arcade! Holy crap! It looks just like the Arcade! Mom! Mom! Buy me one right now!(Those of you born before 1980 will recall, I'm sure, how we all drooled over Colecovision simply because their Donkey Kong cart was exactly the same as the one we played at the pharmacy, the bowling alley, and 7-11.)
Both of these systems, and now the Dreamcast, were too advanced for their own good. I mean, why buy Dreamcast and play its 15 games, when you can buy a PS2 and play 25 different side-scrolling shooters, 37 Football games, and 76 billion MK and Street Fighter clones?
*sigh* style beats substance yet again.
Doug Miller, Microsoft's group product manager for competitive strategies,says, " the new Linux kernel lacks some of the key elements required for enterprise use".
Well, there it is right there. Now we know why there were so many problems with the Enterprise: Starfleet was running Windows.
The Grinch is this character Jim Carrey plays in a movie. He was so popular, that this guy Dr. Seuss wrote a novelization of the movie, but in it he left out the really important things, like songs by Smashmouth and thinly veiled commercials for VISA and the US Postal Service. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a nice read, but he gets pretty preachy about how Christmas shouldn't come from a store, and that you should hug and dance with people. He also took out the central theme of The Grinch movie, which happens when Little Cindy Lou Who sings her "Christmas is complicated" song, where she laments that Christmas was carefree and fun when she was 4, but, now that she's 5, Christmas is confusing and complicated, wrought with politics and commercialism. Anyway, now you know who the Grinch is. :)
Why, indeed? You raise a great point here. I am a screenwriter, and I hate lugging my laptop around everywhere I go, just in case the muse strikes me. I'll be getting a PDA very soon, and I'm adding a stowaway to my list of must have accessories.
Incidentally, this is the type of discussion I would like to see more of on /. Since I'm only about 65% nerd these days (it's just too much damn work to keep up with the geektimes, and have a job and a family), it's nice to have a window into the collective nerd-intelligence.
Or, failing that, at least give them flashing eyes so we can have "Giant Siezure Robot" for ourselves.
Oh, great. We're going to find out that the machine was stolen by Jar Jar, acting as an agent for the Ewoks.
Don't forget Giant Siezure Robot, and Mr. Sparkle!
I completely agree. My wife and I were in a local mall last week (in suburban Los Angeles), and noticed something that sounded like a commercial jingle above the din. We looked up, and saw a large monitor running commercials and playing music videos. This really bothered me. Wasn't it enough that I was already in the damn mall shopping?
Recently, I was driving on the Sunset Strip in Hollywood, and there was a terrible traffic jam, in the middle of the day. The cause? People were slowing, and in some cases, stopping their cars to look at a large, Times Square-ish video monitor, playing commercials for local businesses.
Personally, I hate this. I do everything I can to avoid advertising. I use filtering software, I call and demand to be removed from mailing lists. I opt out of everything I possibly can. I believe you could fairly call me "resistant" to marketing, yet, when I am out of my house, commercials and other forms of advertising bombard me at every turn.
Marketing is slowly but surely invading, and I do mean INVADING every aspect of our lives, and the type of personal data sharing that has been discussed here only serves to fuel this great Marketing Beast.
I think the day is not far off when, before you hear a dialtone on your phone, you'll hear a commercial.
I don't know how we do it, but we must take some sort of stand against intrusive marketing, before it gets (more) out of control.
Yes. It also means that we'll get to watch 7 minute inspirational vignettes featuring the struggles and sacrifices of all the nominees, and in an hour of programming, we'll see 38 minutes of commercials.
I have to sadly agree with you. However, this judge should be applauded, for at least making the attempt to apply some of the same common sense protections to people who use computers that already apply to people who use pen and paper. Too bad this judge didn't get the DeCSS case.
This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone who is even casually familiar with American politics. Once these people get into power, their chief objective becomes remaining in power. It stands to reason then, that they would never have a truly independent person or commission oversee anything as politically sensitive as Carnivore. They want people doing this who will "play ball" and who are already part of the system.
The surprising thing is not that the "partisian" word is being thrown around, it's that it has taken so long to come up. Come to think of it, it's a common political tactic to take a controversial subject, and hide the real issues behind supposedly indignant cries of "partisianship" and "political dirty tricks". If you need an example, look no further than the failure of congress to pass any kind of campaign finance reform.
And one last thing: I would be willing to wager that the vast majority of people in congress don't even understand how to install Windows and connect to the Internet, much less comprehend exactly what Carnivore does...frightening, isn't it? People who have so much effect on our lives and freedoms don't grok most of the things that are so important to us, but that won't stop them from making laws anyway.
You realize that this will never happen if the studios have their way. If people get smart, there won't be anyone left to watch the WB.
Wil Wheaton did the voice of Martin, one of the other Frisby mice, too.
Early today, at great taxpayer expense, NASA issued a recall, in order to remove a back-mounted, launchable bright red missile from the robot. A NASA spokesman cited "concerned parents" as the reason.
Fortunately, I live close enough to the CC that I could get a quick puricication rundown and race back to the theatre before I was brought up on ethics and sent to the RPF.
Seriously, though, I don't think I could have handled this movie if I wasn't a natural Clear who had battled Xenu in a former life, and reported him to the Loyal Officers.
Credit goes to our top codebreaker, Ralphie.
Space Environment Center says: "Solar protons with energies greater than 30 MeV are particularly hazardous. In October 1989, the Sun produced enough energetic particles that an astronaut on the Moon, wearing only a space suit and caught out in the brunt of the storm, would probably have died. (Astronauts who had time to gain safety in a shelter beneath moon soil would have absorbed only slight amounts of radiation.)"
DoubleClick starting a privacy website is like the Cult^H^H^H^HChurch of Scientology starting a human rights website.
I was 8 in 1980, so I spent my formative years wading through some awful clothes and music that you just can't dance to, at all.
It's funny that this topic came up, since just yesterday I was proclaimed "Out of touch" by an 18 year-old girl (her reason was that I din't "get" the Backstreet Boys). Anyway, that event, and this reminded me of the following list I was sent about a year ago. If you're over 25, I think you'll appreciate it.
***
The people who are starting college this fall across the nation were born
in 1980.
They have no meaningful recollection of the Reagan era, and did not know he
had ever been shot. And Jimmy Carter is that guy who builds houses.
They were prepubescent when the Persian Gulf War was waged.
Black Monday 1987 is as significant to them as the Great Depression.
There has only been one Pope.
They can only really remember one president. Who's Bush?
They were 11 when the Soviet Union broke apart, and do not remember the
Cold War.
They have never feared a nuclear war.
"The Day After" is a pill to them, not a movie.
CCCP is just a bunch of letters.
No one boycotted the Olympics.
T-shirts have always had designer names and sports logos on them.
They have only known one Germany.
They are too young to remember the Space shuttle blowing up, and
Tienamin Square means nothing to them.
They do not know who Qadafi is.
Their lifetime has always included AIDS.
They never had a Polio shot, and likely, do not know what it is.
Bottles have not only always been twist off, but have always been plastic.
They have no idea what a pull top can looks like.
Atari predates them, as do vinyl albums.
The expression "you sound like a broken record" means nothing to
them. They have never owned a record player.
They have likely never played Pac Man, and have never heard of Pong.
"Star Wars" looks very fake and the special effects are pathetic.
There have always been Red M&Ms, and Blue ones are not new.
And what do you mean there used to be beige ones?
They may have heard of an 8-track, but chances are they probably
have never actually seen or heard one. The Compact Disc was
introduced when they were 1 year old.
As far as they know, stamps have always cost about 32 cents.
Zip codes have always had a dash in them.
They have always had an answering machine and a computer.
Beepers are toys, not advanced technology.
Most have never seen a TV set with only 13 channels, nor have they
seen a black and white TV.
They have always had cable.
There have always been VCR's, but they have no idea what Beta is.
They cannot fathom not having a remote control.
They were born the year that Walkmen were introduced by Sony.
Roller-skating has always meant inline for them.
They have never heard of King Cola, Burger Chef, The Globe
Democrat, Braniff, PanAM or Ozark Airlines.
The Tonight Show has always been with Jay Leno.
They have no idea when or why Jordache jeans were cool.
They are nostalgic for corduroy jeans, wide legs, platform shoes, Candie's,
Pumas and rayon shirts - without experiencing the original versions.
Popcorn has always been cooked in a microwave.
And what's a hot plate?
They have never seen and remember a game that included the St.
Louis (Football) Cardinals, the Baltimore Colts, the Minnesota North
Stars, the Kansas City Kings, the New Orleans Jazz, The Minnesota Lakers,
The Atlanta Flames, or the Denver Rockies (NHL Hockey, that is)
They do not consider the Colorado Rockies, the Florida Marlins, The
Florida Panthers, The Ottawa Senators, the San Jose Sharks, or the
Tampa Bay Lightning "expansion teams".
They have never seen Larry Bird play, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is a
football player.
They never took a swim and thought about Jaws.
The Vietnam War is as much ancient history to them as WWI, WWII or
even the Civil War.
They have no idea that Americans were ever held hostage in Iran.
They can't imagine what hard contact lenses are.
They don't know who Mork was or where he was from.
They never heard the terms "Where's the beef?", "I'd walk a mile
for a Camel," or "de plane, de plane!".
They do not care who shot J. R. and have no idea who J. R. is.
The Cosby Show, The Facts of Life, Silver Spoon, The Love Boat,
Miami Vice, WKRP in Cincinnati, and Taxi are shows they have likely
never seen.
The Titanic was found? I thought we always knew where it was.
They cannot remember the Cardinals ever winning a World Series, or
even being in one.
Kansas, Chicago, Boston, America, and Alabama are places, not groups.
McDonald's came in Styrofoam containers?
Do you feel old now? Remember, the people who don't know these
things will be in college this year...and they can vote!
I work in the entertainment industry, and I am active in my particular union. Without exception, in EVERY aspect of the entertainment industry, those of us who live and work in the US are losing jobs by the hundreds to films being shot in Canada. I know countless actors who have lost jobs recently because the show has "gone Canadian". As far as I can tell, none of us have anything against Canada or Canadians, but I think this shows some flicker of a sense of humor in the voting members of the MPAA, since blaming Canada is what a lot of out of work folks want to do right now.
You know, for years I have theorized that since something like 60% of Canadians live within 50 miles of the US border, it is because they are massing an invasion force to take the US by storm...;)
It's actually written in geek, not greek. HA! Thank you, thank you...remember to tip your waitress...I'll be here all week, folks...