Just because you don't like a product, or a company that makes it should not absolve your conscience from willing to let a struggling software house fall into the hands of a company that illegally strongarms the industry. This is a moral and legal issue now, not one of simple loyalty. It is immoral for Microsoft to purchase their competitors now that they have been convicted of using their giant wallet to stomp out entire markets.
I love how they sell a product with a built-in limit, then a year later they sell an upgrade without the limit and stick a pretty 'innovation' sticker on it. At the same time they start pushing other products that require little features that are only in the new stuff. There's no good reason DirectX, USB support, AGP, and several other technologies couldn't be included in NT4 Service Packs.
Word to mother on that one! I just tossed half of a new box because I don't tolerate bad sectors. Most folks just use their floppy when the format shows bad sectors, I toss it and find a new one because I think my data is important. I used to use the same disks for months on end in high school, in smoky rooms and dragging my backpack to parties all the time, now I sit here nice and gentle and floppies are failing left and right. Who decided to open the doors in the cleanroom at KAO?
Alright, here's my nonexistent example:
I have three units INSIDE one standard PC case at a client's site. One unit serves files, one syncs the server to the third unit every hour. If the first one fails I swap the third one into the first's shelf, and plug a new one into the third shelf. As they die every few years they get replaced with new ones with better specs. The server EVOLVES. This is just an example, it can be done with fewer machines or in different ways. You just have to write a few scripts to handle whether the machine is a slave, master, or cloner in the mix.
Um, I'm the proud owner of a 1999 G3 Blue+White, I have no idea what you mean by upgradability here. I've got 1GB RAM in it, 14 slots left on the SCSI chain and 2 on the IDE chain, and several 64-bit PCI slots free. This is a lot more expandability than a typical PC from that day. Apple has two offerings for hardware, one is unexpandable consumer-oriented and the other is workstation-class hardware for serious users. Yes, there is less hardware available for the Mac, but what is available is of much higher quality than typical PC-consumer offerings, and it just works when you plug it in.
And a poorly attended/cancelled expo isn't BAD for the economy, it's just not AS GOOD as a burgenoning expo. That's like saying not getting a bonus for christmas is BAD for your wallet, it's not bad, it's just not good.
One thing bogging down gig-ethernet today is the tiny 1500K frames. Some card/switch combinations can handle 9K frames, which cuts overhead way down. Anyone know how big the 'frames' in FWIP are. It would be phat if I could adjust it (or if it SELF adjusted!) for either max throughput or minimum latency depending on what it's being used for. BTW, the max IP frame is 64K, AFAIK, which would make transferring large files really efficient, while smaller frames are better suited for realtime streams.
I've been using Mozilla since late '99 and it only gets better in the long run. Same with the Linux kernel, or KDE, Windows NT, or any large complex project has bumps in the road to success. These are REALLY BIG projects, little stuff goes awry all the time, but in the big picture it gets better and better.
It should be standard operating procedure to remove any Moz installs before upgrading, anything less is asking for trouble.
I don't quite understand. The performance of these boards is good, it's not a powerhouse, but some types of code run REALLY well on PPC (read: Multimedia / Compression / complex mathematical). I can compress MP3s at 3X realtime on a 300MHz G3 machine, a lot better than a 300MHz Pentium counterpart. And I care how clean the bard is, after all, less parts and less juice makes for less failure rates.
Did you also notice how much 'cleaner' the board looks? Boards get pretty when you don't have to pump 100 watts of juice to the CPU. The beauty of the PPC architecture is in it's SIMPLICITY. I find almost everything is better on the RISC side of the fence.
I've got an EPIA here, running @ 800Mhz, and a G3 at 400, the G3 kicks the bejeezus out of the EPIA hands-down. You can't compare apples and oranges here. Also, GCC isn't NEARLY well suited for obscure chips like the C3 as it is for the mature and very-well documented PPC series (remember, Apple and IBM are both running on breeds of PPC and both have been investing in GCC/Open Source development on the platform). VIA isn't shelling out millions to get GCC to produce highly optimized code on the C3 CPU.
"This post 9/11 world" is almost no different than the "pre 9/11 world", the only difference I see is a bunch of idiots waving flags and cheering the removal of their own rights. Target opportunity? I guarantee that a well-implemented rail system will save FIVE TIMES as many lives as were taken on 9/11. Over 40,000 Americans die in cars each year, not to mention the massive pollution and cancer/heart/respritory problems cars bring.
You can't hijack a train like you can a plane. A computer-controlled train is much less of a threat than any other form of transportation I can think of, and therefore you wouldn't NEED security checkpoints like airports do.
Millions of people stare in awe at the blinking cursor and follow it around the screen before deciding on the next key to press with their index finger.
If Microsoft's software was actually 'smart' it would figure out pretty quickly that I can indent for myself, since I ended up indenting twice (one auto, one mine) and then undoing one indent on each paragraph. It should have auto-backedthefsckoff when I kept undoing what it was doing over and over again. I understand how their AI helps a lot of people out when they don't know wha they're doing, but I figure Word oughtta figure out that I just want a plain-old editor when I keep undoing what it does.
Well I just moved over to all-linux a few weeks ago. Today I had to fill out some forms in Windows/Office . My girlfriend walked over to kiss me and I totally snapped, "WHAT THE FSCK! ALL I WANT IS TO START A NEW LINE! FRIGGIN THING KEEPS AUTO-INDENTING FOR ME! WHY DO PEOPLE BUY PRODUCTS THAT REQUIRE 8 KEYSTROKES TO GET A NEWLINE? WHERE THE HELL IS THE RIGHT-JUSTIFY BUTTON HIDDEN TODAY? WHERE ARE MY FRIGGIN MENUS?"
Looks like switching to Linux was the right thing to do, since using Windows now makes me want to strangle everyone. I feel much more at peace.
"Honey, let's try not to use any spreadsheet this month, the bill last time was really ridiculous, I added minutes to our word processor so you can finish your resume. I swear if little johnny leaves PowerPoint open overnight again I'll wring his geeky neck, that last bill was $470!" - A Microsoft Dream
I like when I explain to newbie folks that to change "the zoom" on their monitor they can just press alt-ctrl-plus or minus. It's easier (and safer!) than showing them the control panel. Linux has text configuration, yes, but like most configuration options it's not designed to have users messing with it all the time, the admin sets it once and it's fine from there on. This design philosophy lets the administrators take full control over what resolution choices (if any) and refresh rates the users can choose from. Eventually if linux is to 'make it' onto joe sixpack's desktop there will have to be either more control and better tools to adjust it in the user's hands or more centralized administration with ISPs handling the administrative side of the software for him.
Once a month I type "emerge mozilla" before I go to bed. In the morning I have the latest stable release of Mozilla. I use it for all of my web browsing, FTP, online banking, email, contacts, and HTML composition. It never crashes, it's faster than IE was, it has tabbed browsing and beautiful themes, and I have access to a database of all the known bugs at my fingertips if I so desire. I am not stuck to Microsoft; my preferences, email, and bookmarks are uniform across four OS platforms so I'm not permanantly tied to one particular OS or CPU vendor. The difference is that my browser doesn't JUST work, it works WELL and I ENJOY my online experience so much that I am PROUD to be one of the few people enlightened to Mozilla, that's right, I'm PROUD of my choice of browser because it's that good and that much better than everyone else's.
Right, DHTML is broken, so the release was pulled immediately and we're back to Moz1.2b which does not have the bug. Someone will fix it in a few hours or maybe days and there will be a re-release. This is how OSS works, you can live on the cutting edge but you have to expect to get hurt sometimes. I think it's better than wasting away with the same features for OVER A FULL YEAR with IE6.
Tell me, did you roll out IE6 within two days of release? Nobody in their right mind rolls out a release before it's seen a few weeks of action in the wild. Smart administrators don't feel the sting of this sort of problem because they aren't rolling out this morning's kernel/browser/office suite to the users until they hear that it works well.
NineNine, your constant use of excessive sarcasm is disturbing; Linux has FAR BETTER connectivity AND security than the pay-for alternatives. Mozilla runs on a multitude of platforms (from one maintainable and concurrent codebase!), it is fast, small for it's feature set and very stable (my 1.2beta has been running without close for over a week of heavy use).
Security IS basic functionality. I'd rather NOT have a new feature if it opens me up to identity theft, fraud, or privacy invasion. My privacy is far more important to me than superfluous features. It's not right to program for functionality and then apply security as an afterthought, proper software development is an act of balancing between functionality, security, usability, and portability. I can't imagine paying as much as Microsoft demands and expecting less than excellent security.
Embedded developers. When you're running on a low-power CPU and 4MB (or less) RAM and no swap you tend to value small footprint over kewl features. No reason my microwave oven needs USB, low latency, ReiserFS, etc. But what it DOES need is to be cheap to produce and reliable as all hell. Old kerels are MUCH more predictable too, they've got a lot longer to shake out the major bugs. I wouldn't want my hot-water heater running 2.4.11 now would I?
I have to deal with that kind of crap all the time. I work as a technician at an IT service company and some of the engineers consider themselves linux pros because they can install and use RedHat. I ask if they compile their own kernels and they give me dumb blank stares. I hate when people treat Linux like 'just another Windows clone'
I understand. You should state such things clearly in the first place instead of using sarcasm (which was lost on me). I thought you honestly had no idea what was meant by 'X Windows' and I was helping to clarify things. I was always taught that if can answer your own question, you should.
AFAIK 'X Windows' is the same thing as 'The X Windowing System'. I've never heard anyone refer to 'X Windows' and not mean what I explained. We're talking about the same thing here. Maybe people are calling 'X' 'X Windows' when they oughtta be saying 'The X Windowing System' but it's just out of convenience.
It's a portable graphical architecture for unix-like systems. It's the graphical base layer for window managers like KDE and GNOME, it's also network transparent, so I can run Mozilla on the server and have the window for it show up on my machine. This is way oversimplified, but think of it this way: It's a program that makes *NIX capable of displaying the output of graphical programs locally or over an internet connection.
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Just because you don't like a product, or a company that makes it should not absolve your conscience from willing to let a struggling software house fall into the hands of a company that illegally strongarms the industry. This is a moral and legal issue now, not one of simple loyalty. It is immoral for Microsoft to purchase their competitors now that they have been convicted of using their giant wallet to stomp out entire markets.
I love how they sell a product with a built-in limit, then a year later they sell an upgrade without the limit and stick a pretty 'innovation' sticker on it. At the same time they start pushing other products that require little features that are only in the new stuff. There's no good reason DirectX, USB support, AGP, and several other technologies couldn't be included in NT4 Service Packs.
Word to mother on that one! I just tossed half of a new box because I don't tolerate bad sectors. Most folks just use their floppy when the format shows bad sectors, I toss it and find a new one because I think my data is important. I used to use the same disks for months on end in high school, in smoky rooms and dragging my backpack to parties all the time, now I sit here nice and gentle and floppies are failing left and right. Who decided to open the doors in the cleanroom at KAO?
Alright, here's my nonexistent example:
I have three units INSIDE one standard PC case at a client's site. One unit serves files, one syncs the server to the third unit every hour. If the first one fails I swap the third one into the first's shelf, and plug a new one into the third shelf. As they die every few years they get replaced with new ones with better specs. The server EVOLVES. This is just an example, it can be done with fewer machines or in different ways. You just have to write a few scripts to handle whether the machine is a slave, master, or cloner in the mix.
Um, I'm the proud owner of a 1999 G3 Blue+White, I have no idea what you mean by upgradability here. I've got 1GB RAM in it, 14 slots left on the SCSI chain and 2 on the IDE chain, and several 64-bit PCI slots free. This is a lot more expandability than a typical PC from that day. Apple has two offerings for hardware, one is unexpandable consumer-oriented and the other is workstation-class hardware for serious users. Yes, there is less hardware available for the Mac, but what is available is of much higher quality than typical PC-consumer offerings, and it just works when you plug it in.
And a poorly attended/cancelled expo isn't BAD for the economy, it's just not AS GOOD as a burgenoning expo. That's like saying not getting a bonus for christmas is BAD for your wallet, it's not bad, it's just not good.
One thing bogging down gig-ethernet today is the tiny 1500K frames. Some card/switch combinations can handle 9K frames, which cuts overhead way down. Anyone know how big the 'frames' in FWIP are. It would be phat if I could adjust it (or if it SELF adjusted!) for either max throughput or minimum latency depending on what it's being used for. BTW, the max IP frame is 64K, AFAIK, which would make transferring large files really efficient, while smaller frames are better suited for realtime streams.
I've been using Mozilla since late '99 and it only gets better in the long run. Same with the Linux kernel, or KDE, Windows NT, or any large complex project has bumps in the road to success. These are REALLY BIG projects, little stuff goes awry all the time, but in the big picture it gets better and better. It should be standard operating procedure to remove any Moz installs before upgrading, anything less is asking for trouble.
I don't quite understand. The performance of these boards is good, it's not a powerhouse, but some types of code run REALLY well on PPC (read: Multimedia / Compression / complex mathematical). I can compress MP3s at 3X realtime on a 300MHz G3 machine, a lot better than a 300MHz Pentium counterpart. And I care how clean the bard is, after all, less parts and less juice makes for less failure rates.
Did you also notice how much 'cleaner' the board looks? Boards get pretty when you don't have to pump 100 watts of juice to the CPU. The beauty of the PPC architecture is in it's SIMPLICITY. I find almost everything is better on the RISC side of the fence.
I've got an EPIA here, running @ 800Mhz, and a G3 at 400, the G3 kicks the bejeezus out of the EPIA hands-down. You can't compare apples and oranges here. Also, GCC isn't NEARLY well suited for obscure chips like the C3 as it is for the mature and very-well documented PPC series (remember, Apple and IBM are both running on breeds of PPC and both have been investing in GCC/Open Source development on the platform). VIA isn't shelling out millions to get GCC to produce highly optimized code on the C3 CPU.
"This post 9/11 world" is almost no different than the "pre 9/11 world", the only difference I see is a bunch of idiots waving flags and cheering the removal of their own rights. Target opportunity? I guarantee that a well-implemented rail system will save FIVE TIMES as many lives as were taken on 9/11. Over 40,000 Americans die in cars each year, not to mention the massive pollution and cancer/heart/respritory problems cars bring.
You can't hijack a train like you can a plane. A computer-controlled train is much less of a threat than any other form of transportation I can think of, and therefore you wouldn't NEED security checkpoints like airports do.
Millions of people stare in awe at the blinking cursor and follow it around the screen before deciding on the next key to press with their index finger.
If Microsoft's software was actually 'smart' it would figure out pretty quickly that I can indent for myself, since I ended up indenting twice (one auto, one mine) and then undoing one indent on each paragraph. It should have auto-backedthefsckoff when I kept undoing what it was doing over and over again. I understand how their AI helps a lot of people out when they don't know wha they're doing, but I figure Word oughtta figure out that I just want a plain-old editor when I keep undoing what it does.
Well I just moved over to all-linux a few weeks ago. Today I had to fill out some forms in Windows/Office . My girlfriend walked over to kiss me and I totally snapped, "WHAT THE FSCK! ALL I WANT IS TO START A NEW LINE! FRIGGIN THING KEEPS AUTO-INDENTING FOR ME! WHY DO PEOPLE BUY PRODUCTS THAT REQUIRE 8 KEYSTROKES TO GET A NEWLINE? WHERE THE HELL IS THE RIGHT-JUSTIFY BUTTON HIDDEN TODAY? WHERE ARE MY FRIGGIN MENUS?"
Looks like switching to Linux was the right thing to do, since using Windows now makes me want to strangle everyone. I feel much more at peace.
"Honey, let's try not to use any spreadsheet this month, the bill last time was really ridiculous, I added minutes to our word processor so you can finish your resume. I swear if little johnny leaves PowerPoint open overnight again I'll wring his geeky neck, that last bill was $470!" - A Microsoft Dream
I think it has been done well, but it's missing something to help newbies. Maybe clippy here can help us.
I like when I explain to newbie folks that to change "the zoom" on their monitor they can just press alt-ctrl-plus or minus. It's easier (and safer!) than showing them the control panel. Linux has text configuration, yes, but like most configuration options it's not designed to have users messing with it all the time, the admin sets it once and it's fine from there on. This design philosophy lets the administrators take full control over what resolution choices (if any) and refresh rates the users can choose from. Eventually if linux is to 'make it' onto joe sixpack's desktop there will have to be either more control and better tools to adjust it in the user's hands or more centralized administration with ISPs handling the administrative side of the software for him.
Once a month I type "emerge mozilla" before I go to bed. In the morning I have the latest stable release of Mozilla. I use it for all of my web browsing, FTP, online banking, email, contacts, and HTML composition. It never crashes, it's faster than IE was, it has tabbed browsing and beautiful themes, and I have access to a database of all the known bugs at my fingertips if I so desire. I am not stuck to Microsoft; my preferences, email, and bookmarks are uniform across four OS platforms so I'm not permanantly tied to one particular OS or CPU vendor. The difference is that my browser doesn't JUST work, it works WELL and I ENJOY my online experience so much that I am PROUD to be one of the few people enlightened to Mozilla, that's right, I'm PROUD of my choice of browser because it's that good and that much better than everyone else's.
Right, DHTML is broken, so the release was pulled immediately and we're back to Moz1.2b which does not have the bug. Someone will fix it in a few hours or maybe days and there will be a re-release. This is how OSS works, you can live on the cutting edge but you have to expect to get hurt sometimes. I think it's better than wasting away with the same features for OVER A FULL YEAR with IE6.
Tell me, did you roll out IE6 within two days of release? Nobody in their right mind rolls out a release before it's seen a few weeks of action in the wild. Smart administrators don't feel the sting of this sort of problem because they aren't rolling out this morning's kernel/browser/office suite to the users until they hear that it works well.
NineNine, your constant use of excessive sarcasm is disturbing; Linux has FAR BETTER connectivity AND security than the pay-for alternatives. Mozilla runs on a multitude of platforms (from one maintainable and concurrent codebase!), it is fast, small for it's feature set and very stable (my 1.2beta has been running without close for over a week of heavy use).
Security IS basic functionality. I'd rather NOT have a new feature if it opens me up to identity theft, fraud, or privacy invasion. My privacy is far more important to me than superfluous features. It's not right to program for functionality and then apply security as an afterthought, proper software development is an act of balancing between functionality, security, usability, and portability. I can't imagine paying as much as Microsoft demands and expecting less than excellent security.
Embedded developers. When you're running on a low-power CPU and 4MB (or less) RAM and no swap you tend to value small footprint over kewl features. No reason my microwave oven needs USB, low latency, ReiserFS, etc. But what it DOES need is to be cheap to produce and reliable as all hell. Old kerels are MUCH more predictable too, they've got a lot longer to shake out the major bugs. I wouldn't want my hot-water heater running 2.4.11 now would I?
I have to deal with that kind of crap all the time. I work as a technician at an IT service company and some of the engineers consider themselves linux pros because they can install and use RedHat. I ask if they compile their own kernels and they give me dumb blank stares. I hate when people treat Linux like 'just another Windows clone'
I understand. You should state such things clearly in the first place instead of using sarcasm (which was lost on me). I thought you honestly had no idea what was meant by 'X Windows' and I was helping to clarify things. I was always taught that if can answer your own question, you should.
(my apologies for sounding trite, I just woke up)
AFAIK 'X Windows' is the same thing as 'The X Windowing System'. I've never heard anyone refer to 'X Windows' and not mean what I explained. We're talking about the same thing here. Maybe people are calling 'X' 'X Windows' when they oughtta be saying 'The X Windowing System' but it's just out of convenience.
It's a portable graphical architecture for unix-like systems. It's the graphical base layer for window managers like KDE and GNOME, it's also network transparent, so I can run Mozilla on the server and have the window for it show up on my machine. This is way oversimplified, but think of it this way: It's a program that makes *NIX capable of displaying the output of graphical programs locally or over an internet connection.