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Tokyo Macworld Canceled
jlechem writes "Wired is running a story about Apple pulling out of Macworld Tokyo. It seems they decided to pull out quietly several months ago. And once they left all the major Apple Developers followed, and IDG canceled the show due to 'lack of exhibitor interest.' Macworld Tokyo is the biggest gathering of Mac fans in the world. Although the three-day show draws about half the exhibitors of U.S. shows, it attracts double the number of visitors, about 190,000. Traditionally held in March, the Tokyo show has run for the last 12 years. After their threat to ditch Macworld Boston, you have to wonder why Apple is pulling out of these expos?"
Extremely worring news on one front, maybe Apple just an't comming up with the new goods to show off...
Problem being, why an't they developing anything new?
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we'll miss em if they go. maybe now they can finish that port of OS X for the Hammer
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Japan has a huge Mac market (anyone has the latest marketshare figures?). Cancellation of MacWorld Tokyo is bad news for Japanese Mac users. I hope Apple plans for another event independent of IDG - with or without new product intros. We'll probably see new products by January at MacWorld SF.
My experience from them with past MacWorld expos in the USA is that they are not nearly as willing to negotiate as they should be. These folks had a serious cash cow in the marketing money they took by the truckload from dotcoms who had to be have the biggest most amazing booths at their tradeshow. I'm glad to see some of the heavy weights in the industry, such as recent Apple pull-outs and Adobe's non-show in NY last year, finally put these people in their place. Time for some new blood in the promotional events arena methinks. Chin up. This only means good things for smaller software development houses, what the dotcom era was _supposed_ to be about.
From your page "You fucking wannabes... poser assholes, these dicks don't know shit but they sure talk a great game"
Methinks that pretty aptly describes yourself, chap.
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Sorry to feed the troll - I just had respond to the 'software becoming more and more limited' point. I mean, what planet are you living on? Have you noticed the influx of developers to Mac OS X? Obviously not.
i think it's pretty obvious why apple has decided to nix it's mac worlds, now that apple has OS X out the door, it doesn't need mac worlds to sell it, planned obselecence should do that nicely. starting around 2000, people started catching on and letting other people in on the big secret: don't buy hardware in the month(s) before macworld, you're gonna get screwed. mucho true. apple's hardware sales slow to a trickle, and then gush once new hardware is released, making it so that there's a ton of spare inventory laying around they have to sell almost at used prices. this is bad buisness. so they're getting rid of announcing new hardware at mac worlds, and more or less randomly announcing things as they come to frutition. i suspsect this makes hardware design deadlines more flexible, allowing for smarter and better designs also. the new iMac was the last big macworld announcment, the eMac was the first big non Macworld announcment.
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this sounds like the same (very true) argument of someone who can't afford a jaguar and instead opts for a toyota camry. nice troll.
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Macworld Tokyo is the biggest gathering of Mac fans in the world.
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Apple's biggest problem, and what I believe is the reason for them pulling out of these trade shows, is simply that they can't keep up - ie produce new stuff worthy of the expense of attending the show, putting on a presentation, meeting strick show-time deadlines, etc.
Here's why in one word: Motorola
What Apple should have done is made one big fancy switch all at once. In other words, they should have gone with a new processor producer *before* they started coding OS X. That way, software producers who would have had to re-write the code for the new OS anyway could also take into account the new processor architecture.
Right now, unless someone else (likely IBM, but when?) can produce the PPC chips, Apple is stuck with Motorla and their craptastic ability to produce new, faster processors. Sure, OS X screams on a dual 1.25 GHz system compared to the 450 MHz I'm running right now, but Windows 2000 also screams on a 3.0 GHz system when compared to a 1 GHz system.
The point is, Apple can't switch to a new architecture now as it would mean software producers would have to once more re-write software they just re-wrote for OS X, and those who haven't gotten that far yet would be back to square one. This is, in short, a problem.
Furthermore, Apple's own 'Think Different' ideaology might be turning around to bite them in the ass. Here they are, presenting this new OS to Windows users and saying "Switch. We're different. And better. And we'll give you cool stuff." But people have short attention spans. If Apple doesn't put out new/cool stuff on a really regular basis, people wonder if Apple is still inovating.
I don't think any what I just wrote is clear. Sigh...
Ack!
Apple has not given its employees a pay raise in 2 years. They just laid off a few people.
They are cutting all unnecessary costs.
The internet is taking away from the importance of expo's, as are the Apple Stores.
...Macworld cancels YOU!
I'm saying that you're speaking without knowing. Paraphrasing your page, "Why not buy a bad-ass PC and install Linux, instead of an expensive Mac?".
Because, from stability to UI consistency, OS X is a better value, even at $100. You might not want or need those things, but a lot of people do.
"thats like prefering a toaster over a microwave because the toaster is easier."
Please. I bought a Mac with OS X because I got the benefits of Unix, without the headaches of other types of Unices, not, as you would have us believe, because I'm a "moron". And besides, what's wrong with "easy"? That's who the switch ads are targeting; those who want ease of use. OS X sells itself to Unix fans.
*everything* is Orwellian to cats.
During the current OS X transition, Apple needs the G4 architecture to support legacy software. Not just in Classic. Many users still boot OS 9.
Once OS X is fully adopted, Apple could release hardware based on another architecture with no Classic support. App vendors would need to recompile Carbon/Cocoa apps into "fat" binaries.
But who knows...if Intel continues to push Pentium performance, maybe a G4 emulator could smooth the transition, like the 68K emulator that shipped with the first PPC macs.
Apple is as active as ever with the events that count, events that my company helps manage. They sponsor many of the O'Reilly events, as well as (for example) the recent Macromedia DevCon in Orlando.
Apple's quite generous with the hardware at these events, rivalling the amount of equipment found in the largest tradeshow booths.
This, and the fact that Comdex is on the skids (how's CeBit doing?), really just points to the fact that vendors everywhere, Apple included, are realizing that the best way to reach real customers is through smaller, targeted, developer-oriented events.
There was a lot of talk after the last Comdex that trade shows may be dying all together. Since the main purposes of the trade show have always been announcements and demonstrations, the internet has made a major dent in their usefulness. Tech companies used to use the shows to band together their announcements. The release of several products at the same time increased the odds of tv airtime. Now, with specialized media and a 24 hour news cycle, there isn't as much a need for it. In fact, its now better to announce a product during a dry spell in the news week.
Sometimes ignorance is bliss...not for me, but for others. That's fine though. If apple's end users are happy because they don't need to worry about upgradability and such then all the more power to them, but I'll stick to my x86 machines.
However, Apple's behavior towards the MacWorld expos trouble me since I live near Boston. A poorly attended or cancelled convention of this proportion hurts the local economy. That's something nobody can ignore.
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As someone who has been a marketing droid, tradeshows are not an effective use of marketing money when you brand is well established - it doesn't tend to generate new leads or customers because most of the people that go are already existing (in Apple's case, also loyal) customers. A marketing investment *should* translate into sales, immediate or repeat (this is the post .com era, right?).
There can be post-sales value in a "user group" sense but there are often better ways to sustain customer loyalty, particularly for commodity products, which PCs including Macs have become.
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It seems to me that the people who pay attention to MacWorlds the most are Mac Zealots. These people are going to buy a Mac no matter what. Why should Apple spend all this extra money to sell to people who are going to buy regardless. With "times as they are", you have to cut costs.
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Speaking of "times as they are", are times really that tough for everyone or are we being hood winked into missing raises and doing without when things aren't that bad? Maybe this isn't intentional, it could be that people have gone from being ultra liberal with spending to ultra conservative. Even in my company which has always been slow to spend, things have cut back. What's the real reason behind all this?
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Um, I'm the proud owner of a 1999 G3 Blue+White, I have no idea what you mean by upgradability here. I've got 1GB RAM in it, 14 slots left on the SCSI chain and 2 on the IDE chain, and several 64-bit PCI slots free. This is a lot more expandability than a typical PC from that day. Apple has two offerings for hardware, one is unexpandable consumer-oriented and the other is workstation-class hardware for serious users. Yes, there is less hardware available for the Mac, but what is available is of much higher quality than typical PC-consumer offerings, and it just works when you plug it in.
And a poorly attended/cancelled expo isn't BAD for the economy, it's just not AS GOOD as a burgenoning expo. That's like saying not getting a bonus for christmas is BAD for your wallet, it's not bad, it's just not good.
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In some article involving a ranking member of IDG, a conference call/phone conversation with Steve Jobs is quoted or paraphrased saying that he didn't know if he could make enough new product announcements twice a year to warrant two major US expos. Sounds reasonable enough.
Another reason why the expos are a hassle for Apple is people read all the rumor sites and expect ridiculous products (I've been waiting for a 2Ghz G5 for some time now.) to be released. When they aren't released, customers get pissed and blame Apple. It's a joke. One rumor site (I don't want to give them advertising.) once posted an article about a possible join effort between Apple and Lucent to produce a wireless product. The source? A Lucent commercial that shows people using Mac's. It's no wonder Apple lets their lawyers loose on these guys.
Now if only Mr. Google would help me find that darn article...
i'm curious as to how it hurts the economy. I too live in Boston, and I haven't noticed a lot of homeless people bitter towards Apple because of the mac world fiasco. then again, maybe you're one of them.
i admit, its odd for apple to not be at macworld, but who puts them on? is it apple? from my understanding it is not. so it makes total sense for apple to not go to one. i'm sure it costs a nice chunk of change for them to do their thing and if they dont have anything "new and improved" to offset that cost, what is the motivation? we've all seen the new goods apple has right now. give em some time to get something new. they just revealed a lot of new goods this past summer so you cant expect another load of them only 6 months later.
you obviously don't have a Mac and haven't used one recently...so who's the ignorant one?
I don't get your Jaguar vs. Camry comment. Is Camry the name of OS X 10.3?
I know what you locals could do: round up a bunch of people dressed like southies, steal into the Apple store and take a bunch of macs out and dump them in Boston Harbor. That would make a statement!
But I guess that's been done before...
You have no idea what you're talking about. I have a Dell Inspiron 8000 for school work and a Macintosh PPC Performa from back when they were new. I still prefer the Performa. Why? because it doesn't suck. And no, I'm not some ill infromed idiot who suffered under Apple propaganda, I'm an engineer who uses and programs all types of computers everyday for real applications. And what's with the "Maybe just trying to get quick flame in?" that's what your entire post is.
As for expensive, nothings expensive, if you don't think its a fair value, don't buy it. I personaly would spend twice as much on a Mac than an "equal" wintel machine because I think they're better. My money not yours what's it matter to you how I spend it?
It takes ignorance to run a mac, it really does... they are (as compared to a PC): 1.) Expensive 2.) Perform poorer @ most things 3.) Not upgradable 4.) Software is becoming more and more limited ..
I can't believe I'm responding to such an incredibly blatant troll. Oh, well, here's the answers to your questions anyway: 1.) Yes, Macs are more expensive. If you buy your computers based on price alone, don't get one. 2.) Their CPUs are currently slower than x86 CPUs, also. That has absolutely jack to do with being "better" at "most things" (my poor slow G4 probably burns DVDs at 1.15x the rate your PC does ... big deal). 3.) Pure crap, what is "unexpandable" about PCI and AGP slots, SDRAM, FireWire/USB/Bluetooth and CPU upgrade cards? Where are you getting your "information?" 4.) The software is actually becoming less and less limited. MacOS X runs basically everything Linux does ... plus lots of real-world apps that Linux doesn't, like Office, Photoshop, games, etc. Of course Macs have less software available than Windows ... but I seem to be doing fine without Bonzi Buddy and Deer Hunter 3, thank you.
i fail to see the reason to be running a mac? Am i alone here?
Evidently you are. Seriously, if you don't see the advantage in running a version of Unix with a REAL usable interface and major commercial application support, then don't worry about it, they're not for you. But the rest of us are doing just fine with ours.
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1) Only if you build your own PC. And that has been established already. You can always make your own for less than you can buy it. So what?
2) Like......... raw data crunching? yeah, you're right. But some of use don't do raw data 24/7.
3) You mean like my old Powermac 5400/180, originaly speced at 180Mhz pre-G3 processor (I forget the number), I think maybe 64k cache, 16 MB of memory and a 1.5 gig HD. Now it's speced at 300 Mhz G3, 256k cache, 142 MB RAM, 40 Gig HD. ANd this was one of the education macs which weren't supposed to be upgradeable at all. Or perhaps you're reffering to the G4 towers? The ones with teh PCI slots, open drive bays, plenty of room for memory? Yep, no upgrades to be found there.
4) Hmmm, right bringing more developers over to your platform limits the hardware.
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They just don't put out desktop number cruncher chips and Apple is too small of a customer for them to modify the line. It's not worth their time (i.e. money).
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If someone entered a Honda Insight at the Indianapolis 500, would it be Honda's fault when they lost? Is the Insight *bad* because it's designed for efficiency rather than performance?
I think Apple cornered themselves to an extent with their anti-Pentium advertising. Yeah, the software compatability is an issue, but they've been telling everyone for years how slow the Pentiums supposedly are. Now they're getting spanked even on their home Photoshop turf, let alone any other benchmark.
I wonder how well the Insight would sell if they marketed it as faster than a Ferrari like Apple basically does?
Or how bout this guy Proc is a stupid troll whom needs to find an outlet for his pent up sexual frustrations and in-adequacies...
oh yes, it is the ignorant retard which, well, which provides a reference once more, really ...
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While it is true that people seem to assume *anything* can be updated at MW (unless it just was), the Origional Rev A Bondi iMac 233mghz was announced August 15th 1998. I think the iMac might be the biggest thing Apple released since 1984. Granted the iMac took nearly everyone by suprise, so it was not the usual "i'm not buying an ibook now if they might upgrade them next month", but you get my point.
Apple very publically said a year or so ago that they are not going to save all big hardware releases for 2or 3 Expos a year (Tokyo has been the release for some big products). The last two years they used NYC as more of a hands on intro to 10.1 and 10.2 as much as a place to upgrade some of the existing hardware. NYC has not had a "knock their sock off" release since the Cube a few years back. yes, they did not sell well, but it was a huge crowd magnet.
All that being said i find it unfortunate that MW Tokyo is bagged for 2003. The turnout is not that of the US expos, but they Mac users in Japan are generally quite dedicated. I always heard Jobs loved to go into Sony's home territory and and be able to win over a crowd (like releasing the TiBook there). The show also is usually used by a lot of 3rd parties to show off some cool hardware. Everything from the newest Epson printers (that the USA will not see for months) to the clear iBook modification parts. oh well..... maybe it'll be back for 2004.
It`s same thing happen about mac world tokyo....
no, the camry is a nice, affordale, dependale car that everyone else already has. the jaguar is the expensive car that has a tendancy to break down but when it does run, the user enjoys using it tenfold over the camry. people driving camrys are envious of the people who can afford the jaguar, so they come up with reasons to not want the jag so they feel better about themselves. the comment, itself, is a load of bullshit, but people have been modding up my tounge-in-cheek comments the last couple of days. it's bizzare.
puma is the name of os x 10.3, i believe.
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No, puma was the name of OS X 10.1
...to stage a war during prime MacWorld Tokyo time. Bit hard to keep your attention focused on all the overpriced, underpowered hardware when you can watch Wolf Blitzer explain why our cruise missiles are so beautiful.
Took me a while to respond (obviously) I stand corrected. Let me rephrase (as if its going unpiss you guys off). From a business stand point it is a poor choice at this moment to go with mac over pc. Its a more costly solution with no clear advantages over a pc FROM A BUSINESS STANDPOINT. From personal use, if someone has the money why not use a mac? But for a more economical purchase i have to say go with a PC/Linux. So my official stance Fun Solution/Personal Preference: MAC Cheap/Business Solutions: Linux/PC Popular/Average Business Solution: m$/PC Primarily the thing that bothers me is the deceiving marketing tactics currently being used in macs switch campaign. This bothers me more than LindowsOS advertising.
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