I'd guess they'd be kind of like the "Daughter's of the Mayflower", which were among the first illegal immigrants to arrive in the USA and initiate the wholesale slaughter mostly by disease and environmental depredation of the Natives. I'm saying they might self-select and have yearly or monthly meetings to celebrate their awesomeness (not so awesome from the Native's view). Or, you could look for the most established and wealthy families, those would be good candidates.
I'll take this with a grain of salt from a guy who's nick/handle is "fisted". Do you know what that implies? If you do, I'm glad you're comfortable with advertising your sexuality and interests. If you don't then you might consider a change.
I'll not love you back because I don't roll that way. But if that's your thing, more power to you.
So, you claim 3 million, at best, using the most generous estimates possible. That's fine. That is a fine place for you to draw your line. Those claims don't constitute proof of deaths of those numbers. But, at least _you_ know where _you_ stand.
The rooms were supposed to look like showers, that was the story used to get the POWs to enter them with the minimum of fuss. The key to the efficiency of the camps was the compliance of the prisoners - if they knew they were being sent to certain death, the guards would have had to deal with the extreme resistance of those who having nothing to lose, causing a cascade of panic.
That story doesn't hold together along with something else another commenter mentioned, that slaves were used to pull gold teeth prior to "incineration". If masses of people were being gassed, and prisoners were being used to clear the "gas chambers", and to pull gold teeth before "incineration" then I rather suspect that word would definitely have gotten around about the purported true intent of said chambers. So, that argument is non-compelling to say the least. Really, doesn't it strain the imagination that in a very rapid process there was time to perform rudimentary dentistry on cadavers?
Err...you mean plumbing? And yeah, the later chambers did have ventilation systems.
No, I don't mean plumbing, showers have plumbing for water. The plumbing for a gas like Zyklon would have laid in differently, they would have needed pumping equipment to drive it under pressure through conventional plumbing. The rooms would need to be sealed to prevent the deadly gas from escaping and killing the dispenser teams.
>>...tightly sealed, massive doors (with massive hinges). None of that is in evidence because it wasn't there. Without that, the gas would have escaped and killed the dispensing team.
What, in the well ventilated outdoors? They weren't exactly using highly effective nerve agents, that'd be expensive & dangerous. The first chambers used nothing more than carbon monoxide, and it took a couple of hours to kill everyone.
Yes, in the well-ventilated outdoors Zyklon-B would have killed, kind of like Mustard Gas and other gases kill in the well-ventilated outdoors.
>>Do you really want to accuse the Germans of having set up a sloppy operation? Aren't they renowned for being high quality and effective engineers?
On the contrary, the camps were quite rudimentary. Why would the Germans waste good engineers & materials on the condemned? They had an empire to forge!
Because all German engineers were good engineers, they were a product of their training, not of their racial heritage, their odd beliefs on this point notwithstanding. The camps were rudimentary and the gas chambers didn't look like gas chambers and the cremation chambers didn't look or function like cremation chambers, hmm. Perhaps because they weren't.
The visitors are there for the specific purpose of making a pilgrimage, not to analyze and weight contradicting evidence. Good argument though, I'm guessing you've not taken an argumentation or logic class?
Already saw it. It was interesting how the buildings fell in such a vertical manner, as if someone had planned it that way and didn't want to cause excessive damage to adjacent structures. An expert building demolition team couldn't have hoped for better results.
Yes, but it is more than that. An expert engineer (I don't have a name) examining the camps soon after they were available recorded that they could not have been used for killing humans as they had none of the requisite equipment or outfitting including tightly sealed doors and openings. Briefly, it would have killed the soldiers dispensing the gas and everyone at the camp.
I've already addressed the so-called gas chambers and the so-called human ovens. Look it up yourself, there wasn't the capacity for the volume of exterminations claimed. Yes, the accounts were made-up for the sake of political and monetary gain. Anything for the much-sought Jewish homeland. I honestly don't know how deep it goes but watch the video "Six million lies", decide for yourself how much you beleive.
The horrors being visited upon the Palestinians are being overlooked because the "Holocaust" provides convenient political cover and perpetual victim-hood for the Israeli government. I think the one needs to be debunked/investigated and the other needs to be ended. They are two separate things though. The Jews have become the very perpetrators of violence and inhumanity while complaining how much they suffered from it. Kind of like how child abuse victims at the hand of their parents grow up to be child abusers of their own children.
Lol, my previous comment was labeled flamebait. I make legitimate well-founded arguments and they are labeled flamebait? Thanks moderators, glad you see that moderation is for marking disagreement rather than quality of argument. Kudos!
Not irony! I thought it was ironic that Zyklon B being invented by a Jew and being used to kill Jews would be ironic. Ironic in the same way that being "hoist by one's own petard!" is ironic. You disagree?
Interesting information. So the Germans are very responsible for the current atrocities being perpetrated on the rightful natives of Palestine? Thanks for the info, I didn't know that. I'm not so sure about the number of Jews the Germans killed, and I don't know if the Palestinian crisis counts as a Holocaust or even genocide. I am willing to change on that point though as I am not sure of the numbers that have been slaughtered by the Israeli government and its Jewish citizens.
The old sign claimed 6 Million, now it claims 1 Million, that is a significant change. I don't believe that number comes from the Germans, because there was no record of mass killings because they didn't happen. If it had, it would have been recorded in the Germans' meticulous record keeping systems.
Building factories for killing people would have been the most monumentally absurd thing to do, it is so absurd that if it were any less absurd it wouldn't be believable, right? People died in the camps because there was no money to feed them with near the end of the war, that was sad and terrible but not the way the camps were run for most of their operation.
I don't need to convince you, you are free to shut your eyes tight, close your ears and continue to live in your tragic fantasy.
Briefly, it has been downgraded from 6 Million to ~1 Million. I expect that soon it will change to ~500K. But for now, get up-to-date and start using the 1 Million number, it will make you seem more modern and less hysterical. You're welcome.
You'd rather have your holocaust discussion in an echo chamber? Fine, have at it. Enjoy your circle jerk.
Am I a kind of idiot? Are you? Is that part of your argument or just a bonus opener?
If you are in a territory that get conquered then I guess you're stuck, though I'm pretty sure there was some advance notice that things were going not so well on the national defense front. The back end borders were probably still open.
It wouldn't be too far-fetched to think that items were confiscated/stolen from arrivals at camps, there was a war effort that needed to be sustained don-tcha-know. There is no evidence of the mass killings you are talking about. The camps were concentration camps, concentration means keeping in a confined, location. People did die at them near the end of the war, because there wasn't enough food to feed everyone. There was a war effort that needed sustaining and food needed to be allocated appropriately, sadly, the camps were sucking hind-tit. So the camp victims starved to death, that was terrible and sad.
The Germans "know" what y'all have been told. The Auschwitz Camp sign has been changed from ~6 Millions of Jews, to ~1 Million Jews, so, catch up friend, you are behind the latest revision. My mental problem is that I question everything, well almost everything. I firmly believe the earth is roundish, an oblate spheroid I believe it is.
There's no evidence of your claims. No body of evidence, but if you want to continue to believe your lie, that is your business, it is no concern to me one way or the other. There are no less Jews than there would have been otherwise so clearly killing some number less than 1 million had no significant impact on the population.
It really doesn't take a whole lot of money to emigrate, sell your shop, buy some tickets, move from a hostile land and go elsewhere. The few that didn't see the writing on the wall, despite the clarity it was written with, got put in camps.
Claiming that something is "utterly moronic and completely untrue" does not make it so. The proof for evidence is on your end, I haven't a real easy way to prove that people didn't die but you on the other hand, it should be relatively easy to find "1 million dead bodies!". That's a lot of bodies, should be easy to find, I'll leave you to it, it should take you no time at all with google earth and what-not.
Yeah, millions of non-expert, non-critical, very emotional and brainwashed visitors, what is your point in mentioning the number of visitiors? My explanation for the visitors? I haven't got one. Why would a shower be used as a daycare unit? The reason for them per Occam's Razor is, they were communal shower units.
Gas chambers would have been built differently, with gas infeeds and venting systems; tightly sealed, massive doors (with massive hinges). None of that is in evidence because it wasn't there. Without that, the gas would have escaped and killed the dispensing team. Do you really want to accuse the Germans of having set up a sloppy operation? Aren't they renowned for being high quality and effective engineers?
Most of them left, they left because they were driven out, because the German government made it plenty clear they should get-the-fuck-out. The fast ones left, the slow ones or ones who didn't get the message got put in camps. There is also, literally no evidence of the so-called "Final Solution" ever being articulated much less made into policy. The Germans are nothing if not meticulous and weren't of the type to follow verbal orders, processes would have been created, documented, passed along the chain of command, etc. There would be evidence of this, but there isn't. Think about it friend.
The gas, couldn't have been used, that part of the story was/is bullshit. There weren't enough resources to burn bodies, it would have taken shit-tons of wood to incinerate the bones into ashes. Face it pal, it wasn't like you've been told, not at all my friend.
Actually, until I saw this video, I was firmly in the camp of believing that it had happened more or less exactly as depicted. Turns out it's a grand illusion, might explain why control of media is important, now that darn pesky internet is putting out information in an uncontrolled manner, how annoying!
Funny that you should think I'd want to be part of a group such as Stormfront as I am probably the first person they'd want to hang from a sturdy tree branch. Yeah, I'm a minority, educated, thoughtful, compassionate, not exactly the soldier they're looking for I'm guessing. I have actually never been to that website, not even by accident.
What I do know though is that I don't like the way Zionist Jews think or behave and how they use "teh holocaust" to hammer any opposition into oblivion. They also use it as cover for their odious, inhumane, and cruel oppression of Palestinians. So yeah, I'm not with all the "Jews are God's Chosen People" bullshit that the oblivious Christian Right and Alt-Right espouses.
BTW, I like all your ad-hominem attacks. Care to present a cogent argument instead?
Most people also eat at McDonalds, it doesn't make their group opinion any better or more worthwhile. Most people in America are also obese, there's some indication of the wisdom of the masses (herds?).
You do realize that most of those Jews emigrated, right? They took their gold and their paintings and whatever else they could and got-the-fuck-out. It was the laggards that made poor and slow decisions that were left behind. The camps were not a great thing but they were very similar to the camps that the US put Japanese into during WWII and no one is claiming those were death camps. They were shitty, it was a shitty thing to do to people but there is a difference.
Simple math? No such thing as simple math. The sign outside Auschwitz used to announce "6 million Jews died here", they recently downgraded that to "1 million Jews died here", why is this new lower number to be believed? Analysis by experts of the "gas chambers" has found that they in no way could have been used with the zyklon gas (invented by a Jew, perhaps ironically) that is claimed as they weren't airtight and would have killed the guards and everyone at the camp. There are no bones to be found in the amounts that would be necessary to corroborate the claimed amounts killed. Believe me friend MightyMartian it is not a "simple math" thing nor is truth ever comfortably arrived at. Did you watch the video or do you prefer to stick with the blue pill?
I think the taste of meat is not a strong driver for vegans, if it were they wouldn't be creating dishes that "taste like meat" but aren't. For vegans it is about some ill-fated attempt to overcome their animality and nature to instead eat only beings that are not made of meat. Sure they're ok with eating our plant brethren but somehow eating our animal cousins is not ok. Yeah, they live in world of cognitive dissonance because they are continuously fighting their very visceral nature, that is also why they are so vehement about it, it is exhausting to always be fighting yourself. So, to wrap it up, vegans love, love, love the taste of meat but always fight against eating it.
Why is holocaust denial appalling? Since when is an honest conversation objectionable? Watch video "Six million Lies" (if it hasn't disappeared into the memory hole), there are a lot of compelling reasons not to believe the overwhelming "Jewish Holocaust" narrative. I believe in evidence, bombast, emotional appeals and the shouting down of opposing views do not constitute evidence.
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I'd guess they'd be kind of like the "Daughter's of the Mayflower", which were among the first illegal immigrants to arrive in the USA and initiate the wholesale slaughter mostly by disease and environmental depredation of the Natives. I'm saying they might self-select and have yearly or monthly meetings to celebrate their awesomeness (not so awesome from the Native's view).
Or, you could look for the most established and wealthy families, those would be good candidates.
Irony is a tricky beast, guess I got bucked!
I stand corrected.
Thanks!
I'll take this with a grain of salt from a guy who's nick/handle is "fisted". Do you know what that implies? If you do, I'm glad you're comfortable with advertising your sexuality and interests. If you don't then you might consider a change.
I'll not love you back because I don't roll that way. But if that's your thing, more power to you.
Thanks again, good link. I noticed though that it only allowed the emigration of 60,000 German Jews to Palestine.
I'm seeking help, this is all a cry for help, you're not helping much. Thanks for being mean though.
So, you claim 3 million, at best, using the most generous estimates possible. That's fine. That is a fine place for you to draw your line. Those claims don't constitute proof of deaths of those numbers. But, at least _you_ know where _you_ stand.
The rooms were supposed to look like showers, that was the story used to get the POWs to enter them with the minimum of fuss. The key to the efficiency of the camps was the compliance of the prisoners - if they knew they were being sent to certain death, the guards would have had to deal with the extreme resistance of those who having nothing to lose, causing a cascade of panic.
That story doesn't hold together along with something else another commenter mentioned, that slaves were used to pull gold teeth prior to "incineration". If masses of people were being gassed, and prisoners were being used to clear the "gas chambers", and to pull gold teeth before "incineration" then I rather suspect that word would definitely have gotten around about the purported true intent of said chambers. So, that argument is non-compelling to say the least. Really, doesn't it strain the imagination that in a very rapid process there was time to perform rudimentary dentistry on cadavers?
Err...you mean plumbing? And yeah, the later chambers did have ventilation systems.
No, I don't mean plumbing, showers have plumbing for water. The plumbing for a gas like Zyklon would have laid in differently, they would have needed pumping equipment to drive it under pressure through conventional plumbing. The rooms would need to be sealed to prevent the deadly gas from escaping and killing the dispenser teams.
>>...tightly sealed, massive doors (with massive hinges). None of that is in evidence because it wasn't there. Without that, the gas would have escaped and killed the dispensing team.
What, in the well ventilated outdoors? They weren't exactly using highly effective nerve agents, that'd be expensive & dangerous. The first chambers used nothing more than carbon monoxide, and it took a couple of hours to kill everyone.
Yes, in the well-ventilated outdoors Zyklon-B would have killed, kind of like Mustard Gas and other gases kill in the well-ventilated outdoors.
>>Do you really want to accuse the Germans of having set up a sloppy operation? Aren't they renowned for being high quality and effective engineers?
On the contrary, the camps were quite rudimentary. Why would the Germans waste good engineers & materials on the condemned? They had an empire to forge!
Because all German engineers were good engineers, they were a product of their training, not of their racial heritage, their odd beliefs on this point notwithstanding. The camps were rudimentary and the gas chambers didn't look like gas chambers and the cremation chambers didn't look or function like cremation chambers, hmm. Perhaps because they weren't.
The visitors are there for the specific purpose of making a pilgrimage, not to analyze and weight contradicting evidence. Good argument though, I'm guessing you've not taken an argumentation or logic class?
Already saw it. It was interesting how the buildings fell in such a vertical manner, as if someone had planned it that way and didn't want to cause excessive damage to adjacent structures. An expert building demolition team couldn't have hoped for better results.
Yes, but it is more than that. An expert engineer (I don't have a name) examining the camps soon after they were available recorded that they could not have been used for killing humans as they had none of the requisite equipment or outfitting including tightly sealed doors and openings. Briefly, it would have killed the soldiers dispensing the gas and everyone at the camp.
I've already addressed the so-called gas chambers and the so-called human ovens. Look it up yourself, there wasn't the capacity for the volume of exterminations claimed. Yes, the accounts were made-up for the sake of political and monetary gain. Anything for the much-sought Jewish homeland. I honestly don't know how deep it goes but watch the video "Six million lies", decide for yourself how much you beleive.
The horrors being visited upon the Palestinians are being overlooked because the "Holocaust" provides convenient political cover and perpetual victim-hood for the Israeli government. I think the one needs to be debunked/investigated and the other needs to be ended. They are two separate things though. The Jews have become the very perpetrators of violence and inhumanity while complaining how much they suffered from it. Kind of like how child abuse victims at the hand of their parents grow up to be child abusers of their own children.
Thanks nbauman, nice passage, I couldn't agree more.
Lol, my previous comment was labeled flamebait. I make legitimate well-founded arguments and they are labeled flamebait? Thanks moderators, glad you see that moderation is for marking disagreement rather than quality of argument. Kudos!
Not irony! I thought it was ironic that Zyklon B being invented by a Jew and being used to kill Jews would be ironic. Ironic in the same way that being "hoist by one's own petard!" is ironic. You disagree?
Interesting information. So the Germans are very responsible for the current atrocities being perpetrated on the rightful natives of Palestine? Thanks for the info, I didn't know that. I'm not so sure about the number of Jews the Germans killed, and I don't know if the Palestinian crisis counts as a Holocaust or even genocide. I am willing to change on that point though as I am not sure of the numbers that have been slaughtered by the Israeli government and its Jewish citizens.
The old sign claimed 6 Million, now it claims 1 Million, that is a significant change. I don't believe that number comes from the Germans, because there was no record of mass killings because they didn't happen. If it had, it would have been recorded in the Germans' meticulous record keeping systems.
Building factories for killing people would have been the most monumentally absurd thing to do, it is so absurd that if it were any less absurd it wouldn't be believable, right? People died in the camps because there was no money to feed them with near the end of the war, that was sad and terrible but not the way the camps were run for most of their operation.
I don't need to convince you, you are free to shut your eyes tight, close your ears and continue to live in your tragic fantasy.
Briefly, it has been downgraded from 6 Million to ~1 Million. I expect that soon it will change to ~500K. But for now, get up-to-date and start using the 1 Million number, it will make you seem more modern and less hysterical. You're welcome.
You'd rather have your holocaust discussion in an echo chamber? Fine, have at it. Enjoy your circle jerk.
Am I a kind of idiot? Are you? Is that part of your argument or just a bonus opener?
If you are in a territory that get conquered then I guess you're stuck, though I'm pretty sure there was some advance notice that things were going not so well on the national defense front. The back end borders were probably still open.
It wouldn't be too far-fetched to think that items were confiscated/stolen from arrivals at camps, there was a war effort that needed to be sustained don-tcha-know. There is no evidence of the mass killings you are talking about. The camps were concentration camps, concentration means keeping in a confined, location. People did die at them near the end of the war, because there wasn't enough food to feed everyone. There was a war effort that needed sustaining and food needed to be allocated appropriately, sadly, the camps were sucking hind-tit. So the camp victims starved to death, that was terrible and sad.
The Germans "know" what y'all have been told. The Auschwitz Camp sign has been changed from ~6 Millions of Jews, to ~1 Million Jews, so, catch up friend, you are behind the latest revision. My mental problem is that I question everything, well almost everything. I firmly believe the earth is roundish, an oblate spheroid I believe it is.
There's no evidence of your claims. No body of evidence, but if you want to continue to believe your lie, that is your business, it is no concern to me one way or the other. There are no less Jews than there would have been otherwise so clearly killing some number less than 1 million had no significant impact on the population.
It really doesn't take a whole lot of money to emigrate, sell your shop, buy some tickets, move from a hostile land and go elsewhere. The few that didn't see the writing on the wall, despite the clarity it was written with, got put in camps.
Claiming that something is "utterly moronic and completely untrue" does not make it so. The proof for evidence is on your end, I haven't a real easy way to prove that people didn't die but you on the other hand, it should be relatively easy to find "1 million dead bodies!". That's a lot of bodies, should be easy to find, I'll leave you to it, it should take you no time at all with google earth and what-not.
Yeah, millions of non-expert, non-critical, very emotional and brainwashed visitors, what is your point in mentioning the number of visitiors? My explanation for the visitors? I haven't got one. Why would a shower be used as a daycare unit? The reason for them per Occam's Razor is, they were communal shower units.
Gas chambers would have been built differently, with gas infeeds and venting systems; tightly sealed, massive doors (with massive hinges). None of that is in evidence because it wasn't there. Without that, the gas would have escaped and killed the dispensing team. Do you really want to accuse the Germans of having set up a sloppy operation? Aren't they renowned for being high quality and effective engineers?
Most of them left, they left because they were driven out, because the German government made it plenty clear they should get-the-fuck-out. The fast ones left, the slow ones or ones who didn't get the message got put in camps. There is also, literally no evidence of the so-called "Final Solution" ever being articulated much less made into policy. The Germans are nothing if not meticulous and weren't of the type to follow verbal orders, processes would have been created, documented, passed along the chain of command, etc. There would be evidence of this, but there isn't. Think about it friend.
The gas, couldn't have been used, that part of the story was/is bullshit. There weren't enough resources to burn bodies, it would have taken shit-tons of wood to incinerate the bones into ashes. Face it pal, it wasn't like you've been told, not at all my friend.
Actually, until I saw this video, I was firmly in the camp of believing that it had happened more or less exactly as depicted. Turns out it's a grand illusion, might explain why control of media is important, now that darn pesky internet is putting out information in an uncontrolled manner, how annoying!
Funny that you should think I'd want to be part of a group such as Stormfront as I am probably the first person they'd want to hang from a sturdy tree branch. Yeah, I'm a minority, educated, thoughtful, compassionate, not exactly the soldier they're looking for I'm guessing. I have actually never been to that website, not even by accident.
What I do know though is that I don't like the way Zionist Jews think or behave and how they use "teh holocaust" to hammer any opposition into oblivion. They also use it as cover for their odious, inhumane, and cruel oppression of Palestinians. So yeah, I'm not with all the "Jews are God's Chosen People" bullshit that the oblivious Christian Right and Alt-Right espouses.
BTW, I like all your ad-hominem attacks. Care to present a cogent argument instead?
Most people also eat at McDonalds, it doesn't make their group opinion any better or more worthwhile. Most people in America are also obese, there's some indication of the wisdom of the masses (herds?).
You do realize that most of those Jews emigrated, right? They took their gold and their paintings and whatever else they could and got-the-fuck-out. It was the laggards that made poor and slow decisions that were left behind. The camps were not a great thing but they were very similar to the camps that the US put Japanese into during WWII and no one is claiming those were death camps. They were shitty, it was a shitty thing to do to people but there is a difference.
Simple math? No such thing as simple math. The sign outside Auschwitz used to announce "6 million Jews died here", they recently downgraded that to "1 million Jews died here", why is this new lower number to be believed? Analysis by experts of the "gas chambers" has found that they in no way could have been used with the zyklon gas (invented by a Jew, perhaps ironically) that is claimed as they weren't airtight and would have killed the guards and everyone at the camp. There are no bones to be found in the amounts that would be necessary to corroborate the claimed amounts killed. Believe me friend MightyMartian it is not a "simple math" thing nor is truth ever comfortably arrived at. Did you watch the video or do you prefer to stick with the blue pill?
I think the taste of meat is not a strong driver for vegans, if it were they wouldn't be creating dishes that "taste like meat" but aren't. For vegans it is about some ill-fated attempt to overcome their animality and nature to instead eat only beings that are not made of meat. Sure they're ok with eating our plant brethren but somehow eating our animal cousins is not ok. Yeah, they live in world of cognitive dissonance because they are continuously fighting their very visceral nature, that is also why they are so vehement about it, it is exhausting to always be fighting yourself. So, to wrap it up, vegans love, love, love the taste of meat but always fight against eating it.
Why is holocaust denial appalling? Since when is an honest conversation objectionable? Watch video "Six million Lies" (if it hasn't disappeared into the memory hole), there are a lot of compelling reasons not to believe the overwhelming "Jewish Holocaust" narrative. I believe in evidence, bombast, emotional appeals and the shouting down of opposing views do not constitute evidence.