Also, animal fat (even from organic, free range, etc. animals) is just really bad for you... heart disease, stroke, high blood pressure, cancer, etc.
Wrong bucko! Wheat is the killer causing those diseases, that and the low fat diet that has plagued this country since the USDA started telling us how to eat (lot of whole grains). Grains are sugars, that's why kids like bread. That way of eating profits agro-chemical companies to the detriment of our health and that of the environment.
A friend's uncle (way back in the day) actually did snort crack, just once. You just haven't had exposure to a varied enough segment of the population, apparently. Also, you must have missed my parenthetical statement that started with "yes I know, unusual..."
Furthermore, if the rich prick is in a bad part part of town, he's either slumming behind his wife's back, or snorting crack(yes I know, unusual but we already know he's a moron for leaving his windows down and cash in the car), so he deserves whatever he gets. Worse he could be a slumlord visiting his victims which means not only should you steal his car, you should beat his ass, steal his keys and empty his house.
I worked about 40 hours while at Jr College, the program was extremely challenging, mostly physics, math, chemistry and of course general education. It helped that my job gave me the flexibility to take off a few days to study for tests and finals. I was making about $12 an hour installing tires and batteries (and later selling them, or running the job schedule) at Sears, the skin on my hands is still cracked in some areas due to all the incidental battery acid contact. When I transferred to university, I stopped working. I also became a less focused student, probably slept less, and had a lot of time on my hands that I spent playing Foosball, reading, and surfing the newsgroups. Near graduation I got an Engineering job that paid, I think $30/hr. So, my point is that not all students are going to be working for minimum wage. Being that the economy is probably a lot worse than it was 20 years ago though, maybe minimum wage is all there is.
Yeah, I was watching an article where 1/100 houses in certain provinces of Canada are grow-ops. Pays quite well.
100% networking - Do you think the fall of RIM and Nortel is a coincidence???
You say this like its a bad thing
Racism - Oh, not open, not so obvious, but it is there, hidden in their "communities"...
hmm, what are the incarceration rates for blacks and other minorities in the USA when compared to those for whites? No, it's not because they commit more crimes, it's because they are incarcerated at higher rates. In a sense it's not racism, it's more classism as poor whites suffer almost as much as minorities. However, minorities are poor due to long-standing socioeconomic disadvantages.
Health Care? Really? Man, even Zimbabwe's health care is better and less expensive. Unless you happen to have a nice government job, paid with tax money, and covering EVERYTHING (something impossible to have in any private company), once you have anything more serious than flu, you will see the differences.
Utter bullshit. I've seen documentaries and sincere testimonials from people including here on slashdot noting how much better on average Canadian health care is than that in the US. The only ones better off in the US are those of us able to be sponsored into luxurious health care due to being wage slaves to a large corporate entity which needs degreed workers. The ones who complain about Canada's health care system are probably shills for the US health care industry, or the semi-rich in Canada who can't believe they have to stand in line behind the unwashed masses.
Public services? Again, don't make me laugh, do you know the only one big city in North America that DOES NOT have train/subway connection between its main airport and the downtown? (let me help you, Toronto)
You picked on the wrong person to come at with your fibs pal, you didn't read my nick? losfromla, LA, Los Angeles, get it stupid? Does LAX ring a bell with you Mr World Traveler?
Garbage collectors.....Do you know of any other country of the world where you need to be at least a senator or relative in order to land a garbage collector job!!! perhaps their garbage collector jobs are like our Teamster jobs? $120K per year for a high school dropout with some 20 years experience at Teamster (ass scratching being the main skill developed).
Taxes......with one single stroke Canada manage to increase the inflation with 5%, by charging all the goods from 8 to 13%. Amazing. I just wonder why the interest did not jump with 5% too....
That's nothing and also amateurish. Our masters simply create more money, thus devaluing our existing and future earned dollars with most of us apparently not caring since it's nothing so obvious as a 50% increase in the tax rate. Too obvious, they need a "Federal Reserve" so they can do fancy stuff like our government.
Taxes....again.....if you happen to earn more than 70k the big axe will cut at least two legs or arms. In US it is about 250k. Wow, amazing, ain't so?
The only thing wrong with our tax rates in the US is that they don't take increasingly larger chunks of higher earning corporations and executives. My feeling is that anyone making over a million in wages, stock options, benefits, etc should be taxed at a 90% tax rate, maybe up to 95%. The problem you see is that we have a strong wealth redistribution system with our "capitalistic" economy, wealth redistribution from the poor to the rich.
Are you mentally deficient or do you post while half asleep or high on acid? Or do you like to flog your favorite straw-men any chance you get whether applicable or not? I never advocated taking meat away from 3rd world countries (put there due to western imperialism, btw), nor did I advocate that not eating meat was in any way salutatory to one's health. I myself enjoy meat 3x a day, for an average total of 9-12 oz per day. I eat chicken, beef, bison, boar, and extremely rarely some sardines. So, I am not sure who you thought or hallucinated you were responding to but it wasn't me.
People have been breathing air since way before air conditioning. Most air is usable without being artificially cooled and if we wanted to we could fan ourselves.
** See? I too can write comments that are non-responsive and also don't address any of the points made.
so, you've contradicted your earlier claims that newer phones "add much more functionality", because better displays and faster CPUs sounds a lot more like "mine's bigger than yours" than actual much more functionality. Or is it because the ladies are so impressed when you whip out your new phone?
really? Which part? The part where the less fortunate are also able to get reasonable health care? The part where they don't squander huge amounts of their resources on an unwinnable and moronic war on drugs? etc... Just curious as to what you meant exactly with such an ambiguous statement.
the difference would be cows are currently maintained as a sustainable managed food source. whales are not; whales would only be able to provide food on the scale of cows for a year or two before being going from LC to EX.
If feeding an animal a wholly inappropriate diet petroleum based diet (corn and dead chickens), attempting to mitigate the damage resulting from such an unnatural diet via the continual use of sub-therapeutic anti-biotics, and extensive ecological damage due to highly concentrated and toxic manure, then, yeah sustainably managed food source. ** Applies to factory meat only, grass-fed and finished is a whole different story
If that's how Italy wants to play the game, then Facebook should just require that all Italian nationals provide government identification in order to use Facebook. Then they can validate the user's age and ensure that their "contract" is legal.
Yeah! No Facebook for them! That'll show those stupid Italians, it'll bring the nation to its knees, or something.
good thing you posted AC. None of the items in your "reasonable argument" stop gun violence. One of them mitigates the damage from gun violence (bulletproof vest) and the other substitutes one violence for another (gun-spotting automatic defense turrets). I am not entirely sure how you came to the brilliant idea that gun-spotting automatic defense turrets are "reasonable" though, if you are up to it, please explain how they are reasonable from a technology, cost, and political feasibility perspective. I myself wouldn't be too comfortable walking down a street with these automated snipers looking for gun-like objects on my person, etc. Bulletproof vests are reasonable? Like, we all put ours on in the morning when we wake up and wear them all day? Kids too? The same kids that get tired carrying their lunch box home from school?
Dude! (I assume dude since we're on slashdot) I think you need to recalibrate your reasonableness meter.
Not too expensive actually: A half side of beef (200 lb) is $1,385 shipped, or $1,316 picked up at the ranch. Note that this includes both ground beef as well as some nice (expensive at retail) steaks and ribs... Ground beef is $6/lb, ground grass fed pork is $6.50/lb.
See pretty far down on this page for a chart:http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/beef_cuts_and_prices.htm
Here's the shipping rates (units are cents) per pound for 65 lbs, which is their first price break: I pay the close to the highest rate because I am in Los Angeles, CA. Atlanta, GA = 79 Austin, TX = 41 Boston, MA = 90 Columbus, OH = 79 Chicago, IL = 60 Dallas, TX = 35 Denver, CO = 53 Houston, TX = 48 Los Angeles, CA = 88 Lubbock, TX = 48 Miami, FL = 88 Milwaukee, WI = 88 Minneapolis, MN = 88 Montgomery, AL = 53 Nashville, TN = 53 New Orleans, LA = 53 New York, NY = 88 Oklahoma City, OK = 48 Phoenix, AZ = 79 Saint Louis, MO = 53 San Diego, CA = 88 San Francisco, CA = 90 Salt Lake City, UT = 79 Seattle, WA = 90 Tampa, FL = 79 Texarkana, TX = 35 Waco, TX = 35 Wichita Falls, TX = 35
try the internets that's where I source my grass-fed antibiotic-free no-growth-hormone beef, pastured pork is available too. I get mine out of an outfit in texas. Good stuff!
Embezzling their oil wealth? By taking multinationals mostly out of the trough and using what would have been corporate profit on social programs? I think that you are confusing embezzling the native population with removing predatory companies from taking their customary lion's share of the national wealth. The people elected him and loved him dearly right to the very end. For the most part those who disliked Chavez wanted to go back to the status quo of the rich always getting richer at the expense of both the environment and the poor. There are systems that can work well which are not heavily capitalistic. I'm not a huge fan of Castro but, read about their vermicomposting program. I am jealous of them because it sounds like they are building a quite sustainable economy on their island, and probably eat better than the average USA consumer (that is what we are called now, right?). One of the main reasons they are able (forced) to do this is that they aren't "helped" by the agrichemicals that US corporations would love to be able provide them with.
Chavez was no dictator. A worthless shitbag he was, but that is not what a dictator is.
He might have been a worthless shitbag from your (USian) perspective but from the perspective of the formerly disenfranchised in his country (the indigenous mainly) and the perspective of his allies, he was honorable and as stand-up guy.
Antibiotics and other therapeutic drugs certainly contribute a strong evolutionary pressure, but they are FAR from the only evolutionary force acting on bacteria, viruses, and other pathogens. Bacterial conjugation, random mutation, and other environmental pressures all contribute a significant amount of pressure.
These organisms aren't "happy to coexist with us" in any way - they are not sentient, they have no emotions or feelings as we know them. They simply - grow and reproduce. In some cases, they do so in a symbiotic relationship that is not harmful to either us or the bacteria. In other cases, they do so in a harmful pathogenic manner, and the only response is to kill them, or die. Diseases were around a long time before antibiotics, suggesting that we simply stop using pharmaceuticals basically says "I'm okay with millions dying to preventable disease."
Those drugs are the primary influences that are resulting in drug resistant bacteria and viruses, so while other pressures might exist, these are the new players. Remove the new players and bacteria go back to the same types mutations they have been sticking to since back when we were all swimming in the same pool. You could stick a lot of human created chemicals and conditions under the o-so-roomy umbrella of "other environmental pressures".
Interesting how you neglected where I pointed out the fact that without your allotment of bacteria you would soon die. Whether they are consciously aware of living with symbiosis with you or not (or you with them) is immaterial to the symbiotic relationship. Here's a reference for you just so you don't miss it again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_flora
I love the mild, passive way you suggest killing off (or "reducing to a sustainable level") billions of people! Tell me, were you born with a thirst for genocide, or did it develop over time?
After reading your posts, it's truly amazing - absolutely shocking! - to me that people would conclude many animal rights activists are actually misanthropes who care more about killing off humans than they do about saving animals.
thanks, I like taking a casual stance on certain topics, it makes them seem more um, palatable. I don't recall advocating violent genocide, more actually allowing populations to exist at the level which the local environment can naturally sustain them at. No violence, just the birth and death rate would be more in-line with the local food, water, and predator supply. I am not changing my line, btw, just clearing things up so the words you're trying to put in my mouth don't stick.
Is your excessive sense of outrage just for show? or are you trying to demonstrate that one of the things we should work on next is your explosive and over-sensitive personality? I ask also to remind you of my earlier offer to help solve other problems you might need help with.
Maybe, but they are probably young and impetuous and maybe not as mellowed by age as I am. Not everyone is an analytic person that can analyze certain topics and arrive at wholly logical conclusions and then choose that most logical path. Most of us (all of us?) in fact have some areas where logic and analysis play only the supporting of justifying what more primitive parts of our brains/bodies want (eg. desire for physically attractive females).
Oh, OK. Folks in Athens, Rome, Palestine, etc around 200 AD just lounged around? What about 90% of the population in the middle ages? What about Sumeria 5000 years ago?
What societies exactly do you think had all of this excess time off, can you name even one?
I'm pretty sure we're referring to pre-agricultural and hunter-gatherer type of societies such as Australian Aborigines, most northern native American tribes, most of the whole subcontinent of Africa, South American and Amazonian tribes. Basically those which were working mostly to eat and stay fed and not to provide some overlord and a huge bloated bureaucracy of top/bottom feeders. It makes sense doesn't it that if you're only working for yourself and not to enrich someone else, you're only going to work as little as you need to?
The middle ages had created poverty already by taking away the common land and giving it to the very rich merchant classes and to the aristocracy, so no, no one was referring to that blight on human history. Sumeria, also stratified, also agricultural. All of the societies you refer to had a stratified population and that is part of the problem, to have wealthy lounging classes that don't feed themselves, you need a wide base of very poor or slave types to provide for them. So, blame agriculture and blame lazy-asses that can't be bothered to hunt their own meat or or gather or tend their own vegetable gardens.
hmm, they bacteria evolve under evolutionary pressure, same as us, that's why I proposed curtailing the chemical assault and conditions which lead to their further evolution. I am sure they'd be happy to coexist with us, after all, they already do. Most of the cells within and attached to what you think of as your body are actually non-human, chew on that, friend. Without the bacteria that populate your gut and intestines you would probably die rather quickly of malnutrition and infection, don't dis the bacteria.
The poor would have agreed to have reduced their population to a sustainable level too if corporations weren't only too happy to destroy their aboriginal way of life and supply them with cheap carbohydrates and sugar in the name of charity and progress.
I am happy to solve problems, now that we've gotten this minor one out of the way, you have any others? I could help you work on your psychological or physiological ones, just let me know the area you feel would be of most immediate benefit.
Or I could voice my objections on a harmless forum like this one and rile other mostly harmless dork. Thus I choose to avoid the possibility of going to jail over so trivial a matter.
I am willing to abandon all modern medicines beyond antibiotics from say, 20 years ago. We also have to agree though to stop developing chemicals which cause new and old diseases to proliferate. Oh and stop feeding animals with inappropriate diets which cause things like prions to also spread. Who's with me?!
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Also, animal fat (even from organic, free range, etc. animals) is just really bad for you... heart disease, stroke, high blood pressure, cancer, etc.
Wrong bucko! Wheat is the killer causing those diseases, that and the low fat diet that has plagued this country since the USDA started telling us how to eat (lot of whole grains). Grains are sugars, that's why kids like bread. That way of eating profits agro-chemical companies to the detriment of our health and that of the environment.
A friend's uncle (way back in the day) actually did snort crack, just once. You just haven't had exposure to a varied enough segment of the population, apparently. Also, you must have missed my parenthetical statement that started with "yes I know, unusual..."
Furthermore, if the rich prick is in a bad part part of town, he's either slumming behind his wife's back, or snorting crack(yes I know, unusual but we already know he's a moron for leaving his windows down and cash in the car), so he deserves whatever he gets. Worse he could be a slumlord visiting his victims which means not only should you steal his car, you should beat his ass, steal his keys and empty his house.
I worked about 40 hours while at Jr College, the program was extremely challenging, mostly physics, math, chemistry and of course general education. It helped that my job gave me the flexibility to take off a few days to study for tests and finals. I was making about $12 an hour installing tires and batteries (and later selling them, or running the job schedule) at Sears, the skin on my hands is still cracked in some areas due to all the incidental battery acid contact. When I transferred to university, I stopped working. I also became a less focused student, probably slept less, and had a lot of time on my hands that I spent playing Foosball, reading, and surfing the newsgroups. Near graduation I got an Engineering job that paid, I think $30/hr. So, my point is that not all students are going to be working for minimum wage. Being that the economy is probably a lot worse than it was 20 years ago though, maybe minimum wage is all there is.
90% hidden job market
Yeah, I was watching an article where 1/100 houses in certain provinces of Canada are grow-ops. Pays quite well.
100% networking - Do you think the fall of RIM and Nortel is a coincidence???
You say this like its a bad thing
Racism - Oh, not open, not so obvious, but it is there, hidden in their "communities"...
hmm, what are the incarceration rates for blacks and other minorities in the USA when compared to those for whites? No, it's not because they commit more crimes, it's because they are incarcerated at higher rates. In a sense it's not racism, it's more classism as poor whites suffer almost as much as minorities. However, minorities are poor due to long-standing socioeconomic disadvantages.
Health Care? Really? Man, even Zimbabwe's health care is better and less expensive. Unless you happen to have a nice government job, paid with tax money, and covering EVERYTHING (something impossible to have in any private company), once you have anything more serious than flu, you will see the differences.
Utter bullshit. I've seen documentaries and sincere testimonials from people including here on slashdot noting how much better on average Canadian health care is than that in the US. The only ones better off in the US are those of us able to be sponsored into luxurious health care due to being wage slaves to a large corporate entity which needs degreed workers. The ones who complain about Canada's health care system are probably shills for the US health care industry, or the semi-rich in Canada who can't believe they have to stand in line behind the unwashed masses.
Public services? Again, don't make me laugh, do you know the only one big city in North America that DOES NOT have train/subway connection between its main airport and the downtown? (let me help you, Toronto)
You picked on the wrong person to come at with your fibs pal, you didn't read my nick? losfromla, LA, Los Angeles, get it stupid? Does LAX ring a bell with you Mr World Traveler?
Garbage collectors.....Do you know of any other country of the world where you need to be at least a senator or relative in order to land a garbage collector job!!!
perhaps their garbage collector jobs are like our Teamster jobs? $120K per year for a high school dropout with some 20 years experience at Teamster (ass scratching being the main skill developed).
Taxes......with one single stroke Canada manage to increase the inflation with 5%, by charging all the goods from 8 to 13%. Amazing. I just wonder why the interest did not jump with 5% too....
That's nothing and also amateurish. Our masters simply create more money, thus devaluing our existing and future earned dollars with most of us apparently not caring since it's nothing so obvious as a 50% increase in the tax rate. Too obvious, they need a "Federal Reserve" so they can do fancy stuff like our government.
Taxes....again.....if you happen to earn more than 70k the big axe will cut at least two legs or arms. In US it is about 250k. Wow, amazing, ain't so?
The only thing wrong with our tax rates in the US is that they don't take increasingly larger chunks of higher earning corporations and executives. My feeling is that anyone making over a million in wages, stock options, benefits, etc should be taxed at a 90% tax rate, maybe up to 95%. The problem you see is that we have a strong wealth redistribution system with our "capitalistic" economy, wealth redistribution from the poor to the rich.
Are you mentally deficient or do you post while half asleep or high on acid? Or do you like to flog your favorite straw-men any chance you get whether applicable or not? I never advocated taking meat away from 3rd world countries (put there due to western imperialism, btw), nor did I advocate that not eating meat was in any way salutatory to one's health. I myself enjoy meat 3x a day, for an average total of 9-12 oz per day. I eat chicken, beef, bison, boar, and extremely rarely some sardines. So, I am not sure who you thought or hallucinated you were responding to but it wasn't me.
People have been breathing air since way before air conditioning. Most air is usable without being artificially cooled and if we wanted to we could fan ourselves.
** See? I too can write comments that are non-responsive and also don't address any of the points made.
so, you've contradicted your earlier claims that newer phones "add much more functionality", because better displays and faster CPUs sounds a lot more like "mine's bigger than yours" than actual much more functionality. Or is it because the ladies are so impressed when you whip out your new phone?
really? Which part? The part where the less fortunate are also able to get reasonable health care? The part where they don't squander huge amounts of their resources on an unwinnable and moronic war on drugs? etc... Just curious as to what you meant exactly with such an ambiguous statement.
the difference would be cows are currently maintained as a sustainable managed food source. whales are not; whales would only be able to provide food on the scale of cows for a year or two before being going from LC to EX.
If feeding an animal a wholly inappropriate diet petroleum based diet (corn and dead chickens), attempting to mitigate the damage resulting from such an unnatural diet via the continual use of sub-therapeutic anti-biotics, and extensive ecological damage due to highly concentrated and toxic manure, then, yeah sustainably managed food source.
** Applies to factory meat only, grass-fed and finished is a whole different story
If that's how Italy wants to play the game, then Facebook should just require that all Italian nationals provide government identification in order to use Facebook. Then they can validate the user's age and ensure that their "contract" is legal.
Yeah! No Facebook for them! That'll show those stupid Italians, it'll bring the nation to its knees, or something.
good thing you posted AC.
None of the items in your "reasonable argument" stop gun violence. One of them mitigates the damage from gun violence (bulletproof vest) and the other substitutes one violence for another (gun-spotting automatic defense turrets). I am not entirely sure how you came to the brilliant idea that gun-spotting automatic defense turrets are "reasonable" though, if you are up to it, please explain how they are reasonable from a technology, cost, and political feasibility perspective. I myself wouldn't be too comfortable walking down a street with these automated snipers looking for gun-like objects on my person, etc. Bulletproof vests are reasonable? Like, we all put ours on in the morning when we wake up and wear them all day? Kids too? The same kids that get tired carrying their lunch box home from school?
Dude! (I assume dude since we're on slashdot) I think you need to recalibrate your reasonableness meter.
Not too expensive actually: A half side of beef (200 lb) is $1,385 shipped, or $1,316 picked up at the ranch. Note that this includes both ground beef as well as some nice (expensive at retail) steaks and ribs... Ground beef is $6/lb, ground grass fed pork is $6.50/lb.
See pretty far down on this page for a chart:http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/beef_cuts_and_prices.htm
Here's the shipping rates (units are cents) per pound for 65 lbs, which is their first price break:
I pay the close to the highest rate because I am in Los Angeles, CA.
Atlanta, GA = 79
Austin, TX = 41
Boston, MA = 90
Columbus, OH = 79
Chicago, IL = 60
Dallas, TX = 35
Denver, CO = 53
Houston, TX = 48
Los Angeles, CA = 88
Lubbock, TX = 48
Miami, FL = 88
Milwaukee, WI = 88
Minneapolis, MN = 88
Montgomery, AL = 53
Nashville, TN = 53
New Orleans, LA = 53
New York, NY = 88
Oklahoma City, OK = 48
Phoenix, AZ = 79
Saint Louis, MO = 53
San Diego, CA = 88
San Francisco, CA = 90
Salt Lake City, UT = 79
Seattle, WA = 90
Tampa, FL = 79
Texarkana, TX = 35
Waco, TX = 35
Wichita Falls, TX = 35
try the internets that's where I source my grass-fed antibiotic-free no-growth-hormone beef, pastured pork is available too. I get mine out of an outfit in texas. Good stuff!
Embezzling their oil wealth? By taking multinationals mostly out of the trough and using what would have been corporate profit on social programs? I think that you are confusing embezzling the native population with removing predatory companies from taking their customary lion's share of the national wealth. The people elected him and loved him dearly right to the very end. For the most part those who disliked Chavez wanted to go back to the status quo of the rich always getting richer at the expense of both the environment and the poor.
There are systems that can work well which are not heavily capitalistic. I'm not a huge fan of Castro but, read about their vermicomposting program. I am jealous of them because it sounds like they are building a quite sustainable economy on their island, and probably eat better than the average USA consumer (that is what we are called now, right?). One of the main reasons they are able (forced) to do this is that they aren't "helped" by the agrichemicals that US corporations would love to be able provide them with.
Chavez was no dictator. A worthless shitbag he was, but that is not what a dictator is.
He might have been a worthless shitbag from your (USian) perspective but from the perspective of the formerly disenfranchised in his country (the indigenous mainly) and the perspective of his allies, he was honorable and as stand-up guy.
I am sure the victims and families of the victims of Charles Manson the adult who was once a child beg to differ with the motto as well.
Antibiotics and other therapeutic drugs certainly contribute a strong evolutionary pressure, but they are FAR from the only evolutionary force acting on bacteria, viruses, and other pathogens. Bacterial conjugation, random mutation, and other environmental pressures all contribute a significant amount of pressure.
These organisms aren't "happy to coexist with us" in any way - they are not sentient, they have no emotions or feelings as we know them. They simply - grow and reproduce. In some cases, they do so in a symbiotic relationship that is not harmful to either us or the bacteria. In other cases, they do so in a harmful pathogenic manner, and the only response is to kill them, or die. Diseases were around a long time before antibiotics, suggesting that we simply stop using pharmaceuticals basically says "I'm okay with millions dying to preventable disease."
Those drugs are the primary influences that are resulting in drug resistant bacteria and viruses, so while other pressures might exist, these are the new players. Remove the new players and bacteria go back to the same types mutations they have been sticking to since back when we were all swimming in the same pool. You could stick a lot of human created chemicals and conditions under the o-so-roomy umbrella of "other environmental pressures". Interesting how you neglected where I pointed out the fact that without your allotment of bacteria you would soon die. Whether they are consciously aware of living with symbiosis with you or not (or you with them) is immaterial to the symbiotic relationship. Here's a reference for you just so you don't miss it again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gut_flora
I love the mild, passive way you suggest killing off (or "reducing to a sustainable level") billions of people! Tell me, were you born with a thirst for genocide, or did it develop over time?
After reading your posts, it's truly amazing - absolutely shocking! - to me that people would conclude many animal rights activists are actually misanthropes who care more about killing off humans than they do about saving animals.
thanks, I like taking a casual stance on certain topics, it makes them seem more um, palatable. I don't recall advocating violent genocide, more actually allowing populations to exist at the level which the local environment can naturally sustain them at. No violence, just the birth and death rate would be more in-line with the local food, water, and predator supply. I am not changing my line, btw, just clearing things up so the words you're trying to put in my mouth don't stick.
Is your excessive sense of outrage just for show? or are you trying to demonstrate that one of the things we should work on next is your explosive and over-sensitive personality? I ask also to remind you of my earlier offer to help solve other problems you might need help with.
Maybe, but they are probably young and impetuous and maybe not as mellowed by age as I am. Not everyone is an analytic person that can analyze certain topics and arrive at wholly logical conclusions and then choose that most logical path. Most of us (all of us?) in fact have some areas where logic and analysis play only the supporting of justifying what more primitive parts of our brains/bodies want (eg. desire for physically attractive females).
no, that's a recent development.
Oh, OK. Folks in Athens, Rome, Palestine, etc around 200 AD just lounged around? What about 90% of the population in the middle ages? What about Sumeria 5000 years ago?
What societies exactly do you think had all of this excess time off, can you name even one?
I'm pretty sure we're referring to pre-agricultural and hunter-gatherer type of societies such as Australian Aborigines, most northern native American tribes, most of the whole subcontinent of Africa, South American and Amazonian tribes. Basically those which were working mostly to eat and stay fed and not to provide some overlord and a huge bloated bureaucracy of top/bottom feeders. It makes sense doesn't it that if you're only working for yourself and not to enrich someone else, you're only going to work as little as you need to? The middle ages had created poverty already by taking away the common land and giving it to the very rich merchant classes and to the aristocracy, so no, no one was referring to that blight on human history. Sumeria, also stratified, also agricultural. All of the societies you refer to had a stratified population and that is part of the problem, to have wealthy lounging classes that don't feed themselves, you need a wide base of very poor or slave types to provide for them. So, blame agriculture and blame lazy-asses that can't be bothered to hunt their own meat or or gather or tend their own vegetable gardens.
no lives where threatened here other than those of animals already suffering a most undignified and un-rabbit-like existence.
hmm, they bacteria evolve under evolutionary pressure, same as us, that's why I proposed curtailing the chemical assault and conditions which lead to their further evolution. I am sure they'd be happy to coexist with us, after all, they already do. Most of the cells within and attached to what you think of as your body are actually non-human, chew on that, friend. Without the bacteria that populate your gut and intestines you would probably die rather quickly of malnutrition and infection, don't dis the bacteria.
The poor would have agreed to have reduced their population to a sustainable level too if corporations weren't only too happy to destroy their aboriginal way of life and supply them with cheap carbohydrates and sugar in the name of charity and progress.
I am happy to solve problems, now that we've gotten this minor one out of the way, you have any others? I could help you work on your psychological or physiological ones, just let me know the area you feel would be of most immediate benefit.
Or I could voice my objections on a harmless forum like this one and rile other mostly harmless dork. Thus I choose to avoid the possibility of going to jail over so trivial a matter.
vandal != terrorist. You're not allowed to get away with that.
I am willing to abandon all modern medicines beyond antibiotics from say, 20 years ago. We also have to agree though to stop developing chemicals which cause new and old diseases to proliferate. Oh and stop feeding animals with inappropriate diets which cause things like prions to also spread. Who's with me?!