So HP salespeople are deceitful, trying to mislead customers into making them feel they got a good bargain (even though they paid exactly what everyone else pays). Sorry but I prefer honesty. I prefer openness. Same as any other retailer like Walmart or JCPenney.
Guess you can't seem to think about the "Instant Discounts", "1 coupon Rebate", "Mail In Rebate", "1 Check Rebate", which Wal Mart and JC Penneys (you REALLY wear the clothes you purchase there, that deserves a down-mod on general principal) both take advantage of.
Marketing is everywhere. Just because you look at the world in a different light than the rest of the sheeple really doesn't matter.... You can take your dollar elsewhere (where, I really don't know, since ALL retailers use these tactics)... The stores still have idiots taking "value" out of their homes and spending it on little Juan's clothes so he can look as good as Julio (who's parents are doing the same thing).
So because your a dipshit and left your kid with a computer, the rest of the world can't introduce computers to their kids?
I think the lesson to be learned here is: Don't be a leavin your kid with your MacBook. Not, OMG, My kid took all the keys off my computer when I left it to babysit the kid.
Freedom for India is one thing. Pay attention to your offspring while Jihad'ing for your country first. Welfare doesn't want to have to take care of thine anchor baby.
And my point is / was, anyone spending that amount of money on a laptop is an idiot. Factor that in with someone that spends that much money on a laptop that doesn't even research it's capabilities?
I bet He's gonna default on his mortgage, too... BUT, He paid cash for his 3 Escalades.
Vista Ultimate ALSO bundles all media center extensions. I like my Ult. install, it is rock solid stable (I reboot monthly, unless something vicious is addressed on Patch Tuesday), my remote control works out of the box (It was a Media Center Laptop originally, has X64 Ultimate on it now).
I think you're right, though. Maybe two versions of server, one for small offices, one for Enterprise systems. A Home version for computers / laptops and a Media Center version would have been enough.
Then again, add Ultimate to get everything for high end laptops. I like having everything, it's nice having the network tools I need without having to mount a drive to a Vista server machine to find them.
I have a 999 dollar (CostCo) machine that runs Vista Ultimate X64 with NO problems.
Hell, even when I trashed the default install of (Vista Standard X86) and upgraded to Vista Ultimate X64, two reboots and EVERYTHING worked, even my remote control. Took about 90 minutes for the complete install to be done. I couldn't be happier.
If he spent thousands on a laptop, He's an idiot. If he bought a machine and used the default installation of ANY operating system, He's an idiot. And from having supported the board members in a financial and real estate company, I can tell you, if He's a VP or board member, He's an IDIOT.
OS Bashing is lamesauce. All operating systems have their place.
I use Vista Ultimate X64 and Vista Premium on another laptop. Both my laptops are decent machines, a gig of ram minimum, dual core processors, etc.
But, Vista works well, just as well as Ubuntu on my "public" machine, even moreso, since I don't have all the wireless issues, etc. that I do on Ubuntu (yeah, it's normal to have to find a driver, then find a hacked version of the cards firmware, or have to run FWCutter to pull ROM off my wireless card. No, really, it's totally normal....).
If your machine won't run a current OS, it's time to upgrade.... IF YOU NEED A CURRENT OS. Otherwise, for most people, XP was, and still is, just fine.
I didn't upgrade per se, I ended up purchasing two laptops within the last year for different reasons.
I worked for Conoco / DuPont / CSC / QSR back when we did the Y2K.
You aren't kidding, there is NOTHING there.
Conoco has the fastest link, a microwave link, that goes all the way to corporate headquarters in Houston.
Funny thing, Conoco used to proxy EVERYTHING corporate-wide VIA A T1. I mean, where talking THOUSANDS of desktops using a single T for internet usage.
tnproxy.dupont.com (telnet, used for IRC lol) webproxy.dupont.com ftproxy.dupont.com
Of course, those are / where internal addies, so they don't work outside, but man, I remember typing SO many of those into machines as we updated them, it was sickening.
Fond memories, Ponca, Baby Does (that place still open), nothingness.... Wal Mart, the ONLY store in town.
Worked at the Conoco Refinery in IT, during the Y2K upgrade when it was owned by DuPont.
All I can say is: Where the and what the FUCK are they doing to get the money for this? Ponca is a city of (literally) a couple bars, a refinery (that was built around 3 seperate refineries), and that's about it.
Kicker, of speaker fame, is located about 45 minutes away, and they have a college nearby.
Baby Does (strip club / whorehouse) was about the biggest industry outside of the refinery.
No major freeways going in and out of town, the freeway bypasses Ponca by about 20 minutes.
So, again.. WHY is this system being rolled out? Where is the $$$ coming from? IS there enough of a problem of police brutality or ??? going on that this is actually NEEDED?
I'm all for technology, but really now. This is a HUGE waste of money for a town that doesn't need it.
Ponca City, a washed up, has been town on the forefront of a technology... A town that had it's fastest link via microwave to Houston, Tx just a few years ago.
Legalizing it would be a better solution, but as a DA he can't really say that.
Yes he can.
As an American Citizen, it is his RIGHT to speak his mind, even if it is something he doesn't agree with professionally.
We all have the right to say what we feel, provided we predicate it with "I feel".
Yes, knowing his TRUE ambitions would be nice. Not knowing them, however, we can only judge this clown on his previous governmental dealings.
I find it difficult, at best, to support someone putting an anti-marijuana person in power after he admitted to the American populace (Obama) that he favored states regulating Marijuana for medical use.
Trying to smear him by revealing something that he once advocated is perfect tactics in a fear campaign. But hey we aren't in a fear campaign are we? I though that was over.
Get it through your heads folks, these guys all pander to the public that always screams for censorship every time something happens that scares them.
No, Youngster, it's called calling someone on their history.
Remember, history repeats itself?
So, looking at the history of the Obamanations picks is a telling way to see how they will be voting in the future.
You didn't REALLY expect anyone to believe that line of drivel, didja? I mean, HONESTLY.... Looking at someone's voting history doesn't tell something about them?
Not to mention, Google gets a tax break from the Mozilla donations.
Mozilla hoardes the money, it's not being taxed or used.
That's a clear-cut violation of tax law, involving a non-profit. Google paid enough into a non-profit so that they actually SHOWED a profit.
Let this be a lesson to donaters and donatees in the future (like we can all donate millions, right???). If you're going to donate, at least ensure it's not going to generate a profit for the non-profit.
The problem with your analogy is that Mozilla DIDN'T spend the money. That, in and of itself, is for profit.
If you have money left at the end of the year, it's profit. No other way to put it.
Google put millions into a non profit, got tax shelter for it. Non-profit DOESN'T spend all the money, non-profit is GOING to get investigated, since they ACTUALLY TURNED A PROFIT.
To get Google as well, they will have to prove collusion. However, if Mozilla has dollars left at the end of they year, that's classified as profit, unless they can show the money being appropriated for something else, and it's just "sitting" waiting for the check to be written, for example.
It's not so much that Google gave a bunch of money to someone else. It's that the someone else got Google a tax break, and the money is NOW just sitting in another businesses account. NOBODY paid tax on that money, and that isn't right.
THAT'S what will come of this, if I read it correctly. It appears Google is using Mozilla as a tax shelter, and the IRS is going after their little shelter, for better or worse.
Happens all the time, only this time it hit some companies that/. agrees with.
I bought three Dodge 3500 Dually Cummins Turbo Quad Cabs back in 2006. Sticker price for all three was $165,000.00 US Dollars.
I didn't pay NEAR that, as a volume purchaser. Companies like Budget, Avis, etc. (rental companies that purchase literally THOUSANDS of cars) pay BELOW retail, almost at cost (or sometimes below) because of volume licensing as well as the car companies KNOWING that if someone rents a Mini Van, they might just purchase one (that's what I did, rented one for a week with hte family, took the rental to Dodge, and asked for this exact car).
So, your analogy is shit, sorry. Anyone that purcased literally THOUSANDS of licenses is worthy of getting a price break.
Hope that dispells your conspiracy theory. Econ 101 here.
They're looking at the big chunk of cash Google gave them and trying to find a weasel way to say that it was Google paying them in exchange for "bundling" the search bar. It's semantic bullshit, but the IRS thinks they might be able to get money out of it, so they're going for it anyway. The IRS is worse that patent trolls.
Yeah, and I'm sure the google search bar would be the default in the case of Google not spending another dollar with Firebird, huh? Mosaic wouldn't be going to another company looking for money.
That whole default search thingy was just a fluke.
BULLSHIT.
Google pays them to be the default search engine. Don't think so, look at the stink in the archives about Google NOT being the default in Opera, instead going to Ask.com.
The problem is, you purchased the disks, and knew they where protected.
Speak with your wallet. It's all corporate understands.
No, if they put copy protection on the CD/DVD, then you cannot circumvent it, it's illegal. Don't like it, don't purchase that companies games.
Simple, really. A company has the RIGHT to put out a product they want to. They also have the right to protect that product in as much as they legally can.
Just because you don't like the delivery mechanism is no shame on them, it's more shame on you for bitching about it, instead of actually doing something about it (like taking the games back, sending a copy of the return receipt to EA, organizing a thousand other people to do the same).
That's how you organize something, not sit on the internet bitching about it and writing nocd cracks for your personal game library. Game companies don't UNDERSTAND that, cuz they can't SEE the direct results of it. Vote with thine wallet, and things get put in a LOT bigger perspective for shareholders.
Because other companies HAVE embraced the technology, and people are still pirating it away.
I mean, Netflix on Demand, Blockbuster via mail, Netflix via mail, etc.
It's not that it's so much harder, it's that the economy sucks, we have a bunch of wannabe rich people driving around in 80 thousand dollar cars that can't afford them, pinned the cost on the interest in their house, and now we have BIG problems dealing with that.
They DON'T HAVE the money to go out. The current generation thinks everything should be free (to them, at least). Their is no difference in bittorrent for legal and illegal use, etc., etc., etc.
People don't WANT to pay, and enough lames figured out how to use BitTorrent.
No distro groups are using bittorrent, they still use encrypted FTP. Bittorrent is for the lames without FTP leech accounts.. Read that last statement as "for the masses who have no technical skills or anything else to add to 'the scene'".
That's the problem with your statements... They are completely ignorant. Look at the current economy, and tell me we have a bunch of people in the USA that WANT to pay their own way.
An Engine is internal combustion device. A motor is a device driven by electricity. A generator MAKES electricity.
When you start calling something that makes electricity by the name of something burns (for the most part) fossile fuels, you really don't know what your talking about.
And 5 Kw, here where I live, we have quarter megawatt and bigger generators. And literally, thousands of them (I live in the largest wind driven power community in the world (at least, 2 years ago, we where... Could have changed by now)).
Telling us about a 5 kilowatt system in a year? The Japanese and Germans have so many cool devices, along with GE, on our mountains here, I can't see anyone chomping at the bit to get a 5 kw unit. Hell, people in my neighborhood have 25 and 50 Kw units in their yards, selling power back to the utilities.
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This is what happened to our Military in the 90s, too.
Then bad things happened, and our armed forces have been stretched so thin since we can barely get done what needs to be done.
Yup, the "put money in MY pocket" debacle.
What happened to the fans running around screaming how great The One was for tech and space now?
--Toll_Free
So HP salespeople are deceitful, trying to mislead customers into making them feel they got a good bargain (even though they paid exactly what everyone else pays). Sorry but I prefer honesty. I prefer openness. Same as any other retailer like Walmart or JCPenney.
Guess you can't seem to think about the "Instant Discounts", "1 coupon Rebate", "Mail In Rebate", "1 Check Rebate", which Wal Mart and JC Penneys (you REALLY wear the clothes you purchase there, that deserves a down-mod on general principal) both take advantage of.
Marketing is everywhere. Just because you look at the world in a different light than the rest of the sheeple really doesn't matter.... You can take your dollar elsewhere (where, I really don't know, since ALL retailers use these tactics)... The stores still have idiots taking "value" out of their homes and spending it on little Juan's clothes so he can look as good as Julio (who's parents are doing the same thing).
--Toll_Free
So because your a dipshit and left your kid with a computer, the rest of the world can't introduce computers to their kids?
I think the lesson to be learned here is: Don't be a leavin your kid with your MacBook. Not, OMG, My kid took all the keys off my computer when I left it to babysit the kid.
Freedom for India is one thing. Pay attention to your offspring while Jihad'ing for your country first. Welfare doesn't want to have to take care of thine anchor baby.
--Toll_Free
The M5 has 5 seperate computer systems and 3 different networks running in it.
I suggest you learn what you talk about before trying to make car analogies on /.
--Toll_Free
Hey, you insensitive clod, I USED to BE a fat bastard.
Think of the fat bastards before you go throwing their handicap around :(
--Toll_Free
I have a friend on my myspace account who is dead now.
April died close to 2 years ago, and hasn't logged in since (duh)....
But, her account is still active, etc.
--Toll_Free
And my point is / was, anyone spending that amount of money on a laptop is an idiot. Factor that in with someone that spends that much money on a laptop that doesn't even research it's capabilities?
I bet He's gonna default on his mortgage, too... BUT, He paid cash for his 3 Escalades.
--Toll_Free
Texas can't even defend themselves from being taken over by Mexico today.
--Toll_Free
You forgot to add the Media Center Editions.
Vista Ultimate ALSO bundles all media center extensions. I like my Ult. install, it is rock solid stable (I reboot monthly, unless something vicious is addressed on Patch Tuesday), my remote control works out of the box (It was a Media Center Laptop originally, has X64 Ultimate on it now).
I think you're right, though. Maybe two versions of server, one for small offices, one for Enterprise systems. A Home version for computers / laptops and a Media Center version would have been enough.
Then again, add Ultimate to get everything for high end laptops. I like having everything, it's nice having the network tools I need without having to mount a drive to a Vista server machine to find them.
--Toll_Free
What a dumb fuck.
I have a 999 dollar (CostCo) machine that runs Vista Ultimate X64 with NO problems.
Hell, even when I trashed the default install of (Vista Standard X86) and upgraded to Vista Ultimate X64, two reboots and EVERYTHING worked, even my remote control. Took about 90 minutes for the complete install to be done. I couldn't be happier.
If he spent thousands on a laptop, He's an idiot. If he bought a machine and used the default installation of ANY operating system, He's an idiot. And from having supported the board members in a financial and real estate company, I can tell you, if He's a VP or board member, He's an IDIOT.
--Toll_Free
Nothing truer ever said.
OS Bashing is lamesauce. All operating systems have their place.
I use Vista Ultimate X64 and Vista Premium on another laptop. Both my laptops are decent machines, a gig of ram minimum, dual core processors, etc.
But, Vista works well, just as well as Ubuntu on my "public" machine, even moreso, since I don't have all the wireless issues, etc. that I do on Ubuntu (yeah, it's normal to have to find a driver, then find a hacked version of the cards firmware, or have to run FWCutter to pull ROM off my wireless card. No, really, it's totally normal....).
If your machine won't run a current OS, it's time to upgrade.... IF YOU NEED A CURRENT OS. Otherwise, for most people, XP was, and still is, just fine.
I didn't upgrade per se, I ended up purchasing two laptops within the last year for different reasons.
--Toll_Free
I worked for Conoco / DuPont / CSC / QSR back when we did the Y2K.
You aren't kidding, there is NOTHING there.
Conoco has the fastest link, a microwave link, that goes all the way to corporate headquarters in Houston.
Funny thing, Conoco used to proxy EVERYTHING corporate-wide VIA A T1. I mean, where talking THOUSANDS of desktops using a single T for internet usage.
tnproxy.dupont.com (telnet, used for IRC lol)
webproxy.dupont.com
ftproxy.dupont.com
Of course, those are / where internal addies, so they don't work outside, but man, I remember typing SO many of those into machines as we updated them, it was sickening.
Fond memories, Ponca, Baby Does (that place still open), nothingness.... Wal Mart, the ONLY store in town.
--Toll_Free
I lived in Ponca City for a short time.
Worked at the Conoco Refinery in IT, during the Y2K upgrade when it was owned by DuPont.
All I can say is: Where the and what the FUCK are they doing to get the money for this? Ponca is a city of (literally) a couple bars, a refinery (that was built around 3 seperate refineries), and that's about it.
Kicker, of speaker fame, is located about 45 minutes away, and they have a college nearby.
Baby Does (strip club / whorehouse) was about the biggest industry outside of the refinery.
No major freeways going in and out of town, the freeway bypasses Ponca by about 20 minutes.
So, again.. WHY is this system being rolled out? Where is the $$$ coming from? IS there enough of a problem of police brutality or ??? going on that this is actually NEEDED?
I'm all for technology, but really now. This is a HUGE waste of money for a town that doesn't need it.
Ponca City, a washed up, has been town on the forefront of a technology... A town that had it's fastest link via microwave to Houston, Tx just a few years ago.
--Toll_Free
Legalizing it would be a better solution, but as a DA he can't really say that.
Yes he can.
As an American Citizen, it is his RIGHT to speak his mind, even if it is something he doesn't agree with professionally.
We all have the right to say what we feel, provided we predicate it with "I feel".
Yes, knowing his TRUE ambitions would be nice. Not knowing them, however, we can only judge this clown on his previous governmental dealings.
I find it difficult, at best, to support someone putting an anti-marijuana person in power after he admitted to the American populace (Obama) that he favored states regulating Marijuana for medical use.
As a medical user, this REALLY scares me.
--Toll_Free
Trying to smear him by revealing something that he once advocated is perfect tactics in a fear campaign. But hey we aren't in a fear campaign are we? I though that was over.
Get it through your heads folks, these guys all pander to the public that always screams for censorship every time something happens that scares them.
No, Youngster, it's called calling someone on their history.
Remember, history repeats itself?
So, looking at the history of the Obamanations picks is a telling way to see how they will be voting in the future.
You didn't REALLY expect anyone to believe that line of drivel, didja? I mean, HONESTLY.... Looking at someone's voting history doesn't tell something about them?
--Toll_Free
Not to mention, Google gets a tax break from the Mozilla donations.
Mozilla hoardes the money, it's not being taxed or used.
That's a clear-cut violation of tax law, involving a non-profit. Google paid enough into a non-profit so that they actually SHOWED a profit.
Let this be a lesson to donaters and donatees in the future (like we can all donate millions, right???). If you're going to donate, at least ensure it's not going to generate a profit for the non-profit.
--Toll_Free
The problem with your analogy is that Mozilla DIDN'T spend the money. That, in and of itself, is for profit.
If you have money left at the end of the year, it's profit. No other way to put it.
Google put millions into a non profit, got tax shelter for it. Non-profit DOESN'T spend all the money, non-profit is GOING to get investigated, since they ACTUALLY TURNED A PROFIT.
To get Google as well, they will have to prove collusion. However, if Mozilla has dollars left at the end of they year, that's classified as profit, unless they can show the money being appropriated for something else, and it's just "sitting" waiting for the check to be written, for example.
It's not so much that Google gave a bunch of money to someone else. It's that the someone else got Google a tax break, and the money is NOW just sitting in another businesses account. NOBODY paid tax on that money, and that isn't right.
THAT'S what will come of this, if I read it correctly. It appears Google is using Mozilla as a tax shelter, and the IRS is going after their little shelter, for better or worse.
Happens all the time, only this time it hit some companies that /. agrees with.
--Toll_Free
--Toll_Free
Yeah, that's it.
Nobody at Mozilla likes to actually get paid.
--Toll_Free
Yeah, you have a good idea.
Remove corporate income tax. Let the common people shoulder it.
--Toll_Free
So, collectively, only tens of thousands of computers get sold every year?
WRONG.
Hundreds of thousands of licenses are sold to all the OEM mfg's collectively. Even your OWN post points to that.
--Toll_Free
Or it's volume licensing.
I bought three Dodge 3500 Dually Cummins Turbo Quad Cabs back in 2006. Sticker price for all three was $165,000.00 US Dollars.
I didn't pay NEAR that, as a volume purchaser. Companies like Budget, Avis, etc. (rental companies that purchase literally THOUSANDS of cars) pay BELOW retail, almost at cost (or sometimes below) because of volume licensing as well as the car companies KNOWING that if someone rents a Mini Van, they might just purchase one (that's what I did, rented one for a week with hte family, took the rental to Dodge, and asked for this exact car).
So, your analogy is shit, sorry. Anyone that purcased literally THOUSANDS of licenses is worthy of getting a price break.
Hope that dispells your conspiracy theory. Econ 101 here.
--Toll_Free
They're looking at the big chunk of cash Google gave them and trying to find a weasel way to say that it was Google paying them in exchange for "bundling" the search bar. It's semantic bullshit, but the IRS thinks they might be able to get money out of it, so they're going for it anyway. The IRS is worse that patent trolls.
Yeah, and I'm sure the google search bar would be the default in the case of Google not spending another dollar with Firebird, huh? Mosaic wouldn't be going to another company looking for money.
That whole default search thingy was just a fluke.
BULLSHIT.
Google pays them to be the default search engine. Don't think so, look at the stink in the archives about Google NOT being the default in Opera, instead going to Ask.com.
--Toll_Free
The problem is, you purchased the disks, and knew they where protected.
Speak with your wallet. It's all corporate understands.
No, if they put copy protection on the CD/DVD, then you cannot circumvent it, it's illegal. Don't like it, don't purchase that companies games.
Simple, really. A company has the RIGHT to put out a product they want to. They also have the right to protect that product in as much as they legally can.
Just because you don't like the delivery mechanism is no shame on them, it's more shame on you for bitching about it, instead of actually doing something about it (like taking the games back, sending a copy of the return receipt to EA, organizing a thousand other people to do the same).
That's how you organize something, not sit on the internet bitching about it and writing nocd cracks for your personal game library. Game companies don't UNDERSTAND that, cuz they can't SEE the direct results of it. Vote with thine wallet, and things get put in a LOT bigger perspective for shareholders.
--Toll_Free
Because other companies HAVE embraced the technology, and people are still pirating it away.
I mean, Netflix on Demand, Blockbuster via mail, Netflix via mail, etc.
It's not that it's so much harder, it's that the economy sucks, we have a bunch of wannabe rich people driving around in 80 thousand dollar cars that can't afford them, pinned the cost on the interest in their house, and now we have BIG problems dealing with that.
They DON'T HAVE the money to go out. The current generation thinks everything should be free (to them, at least). Their is no difference in bittorrent for legal and illegal use, etc., etc., etc.
People don't WANT to pay, and enough lames figured out how to use BitTorrent.
No distro groups are using bittorrent, they still use encrypted FTP. Bittorrent is for the lames without FTP leech accounts.. Read that last statement as "for the masses who have no technical skills or anything else to add to 'the scene'".
That's the problem with your statements... They are completely ignorant. Look at the current economy, and tell me we have a bunch of people in the USA that WANT to pay their own way.
--Toll_Free
This story wreaks of bullshit.
An Engine is internal combustion device. A motor is a device driven by electricity. A generator MAKES electricity.
When you start calling something that makes electricity by the name of something burns (for the most part) fossile fuels, you really don't know what your talking about.
And 5 Kw, here where I live, we have quarter megawatt and bigger generators. And literally, thousands of them (I live in the largest wind driven power community in the world (at least, 2 years ago, we where... Could have changed by now)).
Telling us about a 5 kilowatt system in a year? The Japanese and Germans have so many cool devices, along with GE, on our mountains here, I can't see anyone chomping at the bit to get a 5 kw unit. Hell, people in my neighborhood have 25 and 50 Kw units in their yards, selling power back to the utilities.
Fluff and FUD.
--Toll_Free