The bottom line is that for Linux on the Desktop to succeed they need Marketing. Thats a valid point.
What also is needed is close integration with the major PC vendors. One could think of Integration depertments at the major PC vendors, where Linux distro vendor staff design/implement/testdrive Linux preload's on PC's and Laptop's and also testdrive extra needed Linux drivers to get all the hardware of new to be released PC's/laptop's going.
Further i think the report is rather RedHat Linux oriented and they better rename it from desktop-linux-overview.pdf into desktop-redhat-overview.pdf. Lots of sections are too negative because they are describing RedHat's point of view?
For instance this section on page 19: OpenSource application developers : quantity : good quality : lacking. I guess Micheal Tiemann lately doesn't get so much bugfix reports at Bugzilla anymore. Maybe their techie beta-drive audience has left?
Multimedia support is lacking says the
pdf report on page 16. Well i guess the author's forgot to do some essential home work. If i want to play Windows Media Player stuff i use MPlayer. And that works superbly :
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/
I wonder if the authors also forgot to do their homework on other parts of use of Linux on the Desktop.
a friend phoned to IBM helpdesk : "Hi.. hey, as of last week, we seem to be having problems with our RS/6000 machine. It starts up fine, loads AIX as usual, and then, after half an hour of so, starts writing messages to the console screen saying it needs a new license. What's up with that??"
this happened for real as a practical joke, but its seem they still don't get it:)
This is the official USB2 logo, the version which
does 480 Mbps : jewel-usb2-ide.jpg
Its a Jewel USB2-IDE casing in which you can mount a 2.5" IDE laptop drive. hooking this one up to a USB2 controller will give you the raw diskspeed your laptop drive can offer.
M$ has painted the indian war stripes on their faces, with fresh customers blood : "Microsoft will not release any more major upgrades for Internet Explorer on MacOS." How does this relate to linux?
Well not directly. The recent buyoff from M$ to AOL/netscape is part of the war plan. Netscape will be degraded to a niche browser like opera and konqueror. This will mean that official institutions like e.g. banks will only design/allow IE as the official supported broswer. netscape site support will be removed. M$ wants to have their latest IE browser only on windows machines. The apple/IE story is IMHO part of the new policy.
The principle of a digital copy is thats a exact copy with the same quality's as the original. in fact they are the same by the last digit. All you need is a computer and a copy or cp command.
So cp msoffice1.iso msoffice2.iso can be done on any PC. It shouldn't be illegal.
Next the copy command can be used to copy and burn that iso on a CDR recordable. We go ahead and do it and place it on the shelf next to the orginal. Thats not illegal. Next we buy a 2nd PC and install msoffice1.iso on the 2nd PC. Well according to that big software company, thats illegal. I say it isn't if you can just do it without more effort as just inserting the office cdrom into the 2nd PC. Now what efforts did we have to take here? Yes we paid $1500,= for the 2nd PC.
Now another scenario. We have again a 2nd PC , however its the neighbour's PC. This time he paid the $1500,= for his PC. He wants to run that msoffice too. I give him that CDR with msoffice on it. He inserts it and install/runs MS Office completely without extra efforts than inserting that CDR. Now we ask again, is this illegal??? Some say yes, some say no. It depends. lets assume that the $1500,= covers also the expenses for running msoffice, then its completely ok. If the $1500,= does not cover running msoffice then it is not ok to give your neighbour that CDR. But then again. What value does the msoffice CDR represent? The CDR itself is just a lousy $0.25 media costs. If you find it in a desert with no PC's for over 5000 miles, you can only use it as a coaster. The msoffice CDR will only be of use if you have a running PC.
Bill gates said exactly the opposite to the director of the Altair factory : "Without my software your Altair is completely useless". Well that is just not true. You can always find some other version of a office package or OS to run on your PC. There's expensive ones, cheaper ones and even free to download iso versions which you then burn and install.
What i want to make clear is that for a digital copy to work one needs some sort of a materialized copy to go along too. Staring at a directory and watching at two files : msoffice1.iso and msoffice2.iso ain't a real copy. It takes a extra CDR to burn and a 2nd PC to install/run msoffice also on that one.
Now comes the Internet. suddenly people don't need CDR's anymore to transport iso's from Joe's PC to Jack's PC. Jack anyway burn the msoffice2.iso on a CDR and installs/runs it. Jack also paid $1500,= for his PC. If that price covers running/installing msoffice its ok. If not, then Jack is the bad guy. Not for having a $0.25 CDR with msoffice2.iso on it, but for installing/running it.
Oh what a mess. In the old days making a copy was technically also easy, but media, harddisks and tapes were way more expensive. What i want to point out here, is that a digital copy technically takes no effort at all. its sometimes just 1 command on a prompt. There's no regulations i can think of that can prevent that from happening. Its a digital cyberspace thing.
What matters in the end is the materialization efforts/costs which are needed to run a copy on a different street address. That would take a 2nd PC and CDR. if we want to have a sane digital copying act , let it act on the extra materalization efforts needed to run it on a different place.
In Terminator 2 , which at the time seemed a fiction
only story, its the cyberdyne chip which enables people to create these robots. 2 Robots (terminator's) fly back in time to get things straight. the good one wants to destroy the cyberdyne chip and the evil one wants to prevent that.
Now we have a rat's brain doing the cyberdyne chip part. Well we all know what a rat behaves like. the cyberdyne chip inside Arnold Schwarzenegger was at least able to say 'Hasta la Vista'. When the cyberdyne chip and its factory was 'terminated' , terminator Arnold had to destroy himself too, to completely anihilate cyberdyne technology.
Well my opinion is to put this crazy stuff on hold. Imagine a rat controlling heavy armed robots. This is for normal sane people a no-go.
> Obviously these states aren't considering the long-term results of Open Source Software and the effects on the economy, as more and more software developers are put out of jobs in favor of using free (as in beer) code.
>
> OSS is an OK idealist idea, but in practice what it will do is completely stall the world economy.
The world economy is not stalled by OSS, i don't buy that. OSS is just a tool. Proprietary Software in the good days was also used as a tool/aid in the business process. Its only after large software vendors during the.com boom made proprietary software its own goal.
Next microsoft got their dominance on the complete IT software market. The latest remarkable action of them was introducing License 6.0, To me that is the main reason the IT industry is on a dead-end now. Like its parked inside a dead alley.
Another point for the stubourn stalling economy right now, is lack of trust and confidence in the current president of the USA. Not only inside the USA but also in the rest of the world people just don't know whats going to happen. So why would they show confidence and trust in the current president, the economy of the USA and hence the global economy?
Now how can a free or almost free thing like OSS make any influence on the economy? M$ seems to have major problems? Well if they do, then i think License 6.0 is a far more important reason as OSS.
Slashdot is doing a very nasty moderating job. One can almost call it CNN-alike censor-ship.
Sometimes I'm allowed also to add 5 insightfull moderation points. However i'm certain they have on every slashdot member a certain "politics" profile. So when CmdrTaco thinks the opinion shoudl evolve in a certain direction, he either gives "the lefties" or "the rightwingies" moderation points to use. its very very sneaky. I just found out how they did it.
In this story he must have used his database on which slashdot members are againts RMS or in favor of RMS.
Robert
DRM and Open Source : a dead duck
on
Linus on DRM
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"In short, it's perfectly ok to sign a kernel image - I do it myself indirectly every day through the kernel.org, as kernel.org will sign the tar-balls I upload to make sure people can at least verify that they came that way. Doing the same thing on the binary is no different: signing a binary is a perfectly fine way to show the world that you're the one behind it, and that _you_ trust it. " hah i'd rather have md5 checksums on kernel.org.
Sorry Linus, i don't agree on this one. DRM is a wicked technology. The fact microsoft calls its own version RMS gave me some thoughts. The fact that when installing Windows XP according the book, will result in a system which cannot play 5 of the most popular multimedia formats commonly used on the Internet. mp3 is i think the most well known.
The reason we install Linux on our PC, is mainly cause it gives us our freedom back. Not all of us might realize that immediatly, but thats exactly how freedom is experienced.
If i understand from your posting that its ok to have a signed vmlinuz binary and modules, and if that also means that the DRM stuff will fail if i recompile my kernel from source, i think you are just plain wrong. Sorry Linus. If only a binary vmlinuz kernel can be signed and distributed, and is the only way to authenticate with a Rights Managements Server, then we have ourselves a dead duck. End of open source.
Social Engineering ?
Go watch the movie 'Takedown' where Skeet Ulrich plays Kevin Mitnick and Russel Wong plays Tsutomu Shimomura. Its based on the book 'Takedown' written by John Markov and Tsutomu Shimomura. Allthough the book seems to be a real 'takedown' of Kevin, the movie is IMHO a fair representation of what happened. Oh yeah don't forget to watch the Documentary Movie Freedom Downtime (2001) directed by Emmanuel Goldstein. Its available at 2600.com .
What a total idiocy. If DARPA has selection schemes in which only people are granted which are in favour of 'the war', the USA as a society is heading towards its own abyss.
I advise those DARPA people to pull off their patriotic clothes and gadgets. They should wash their mouth, their ears, their feet, their hands and take a days leave. When they come back, and are not being hindered by patriotic absurdity, they should think again.
Nothing is so narrow minded for your brain, as only doing , thinking and wearing patriotic stuff.
UNIX has now existed for over 30 years. We all
love our Linux machines, which are based on
the C language to build them. So when you believe UNIX/Linux will last an extra 30 years, so will Brian Kernighan and Dennis Ritchie's C Language.
Why not C++ or C# ? Well just compare the K&R book "The C Programming Language" with the Bjarne Stroustrup book "The C++ Programming Language". As the K&R autors write "We have tried to retain the brevity of the first edition. C is not a big language, and it is not served by a big book." The C++ language and the Stroustrup book are exactly the opposite.
So C is tiny, powerfull, completely defined inside a rather modest book, compared to all other languages, aspecially the object oriented flavours. So my prediction is C will never go away. The principle of object oriented programming also won't go away, but its form or dialect will evolve.
Go to a local LUG, or go online at a linux channel on irc before buying your PC. Have linux users/admins give you suggestions for what they think is kick-ass hardware for running Linux..Then installing distro's like redhat 9 , mandrake 9.1, slackware 9, suse 8.2 are a breeze.
Why? Because Microsoft has a stiffling grip on the OEM hardware market. There's a shitload of hardware on the market which was designed to be a win2k/winXP only gadget. That would mainly be certain USB devices, winmodems, winprinters, scanners, soundcards and graphics cards.
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It makes me kinda feel sick.. Those propaganda baby's from the white house are even scared by a thing called Al Jazeera and Iraqi TV. IMHO both camps should have the right to broadcast and nurse their audiences. Is that also regulated in the geneva convention ?
And now they want to enlengthen their cover-up period of nasty stuff onto end 2006. The year when they think they can be "home free".
" I am 35 right now, and if I want to make use of the trademark or copyright of what a 20-year-old neighbor made, I'd have to wait until I was about 35+55+70=160 years old until I could use it legally. It can't be done. Hence, works rights that extend well beyond the Human lifetime seem unreasonable when faced with the word "limited".
"
Hey! all i can say is, Respect your neighbour ! So no go that you would fool him and snatch his stuff.
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What also is needed is close integration with the major PC vendors. One could think of Integration depertments at the major PC vendors, where Linux distro vendor staff design/implement/testdrive Linux preload's on PC's and Laptop's and also testdrive extra needed Linux drivers to get all the hardware of new to be released PC's/laptop's going.
Further i think the report is rather RedHat Linux oriented and they better rename it from desktop-linux-overview.pdf into desktop-redhat-overview.pdf. Lots of sections are too negative because they are describing RedHat's point of view?
For instance this section on page 19: OpenSource application developers : quantity : good quality : lacking. I guess Micheal Tiemann lately doesn't get so much bugfix reports at Bugzilla anymore. Maybe their techie beta-drive audience has left?
Robert
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/
I wonder if the authors also forgot to do their homework on other parts of use of Linux on the Desktop.
Robert
this happened for real as a practical joke, but its seem they still don't get it :)
Its a Jewel USB2-IDE casing in which you can mount a 2.5" IDE laptop drive. hooking this one up to a USB2 controller will give you the raw diskspeed your laptop drive can offer.
Robert
Well not directly. The recent buyoff from M$ to AOL/netscape is part of the war plan. Netscape will be degraded to a niche browser like opera and konqueror. This will mean that official institutions like e.g. banks will only design/allow IE as the official supported broswer. netscape site support will be removed. M$ wants to have their latest IE browser only on windows machines. The apple/IE story is IMHO part of the new policy.
Robert
"Numerous people from small to medium-sized enterprises have written to me in support of my proposal . "
Well show Us the letters I would say.
Robert
Now another scenario. We have again a 2nd PC , however its the neighbour's PC. This time he paid the $1500,= for his PC. He wants to run that msoffice too. I give him that CDR with msoffice on it. He inserts it and install/runs MS Office completely without extra efforts than inserting that CDR. Now we ask again, is this illegal??? Some say yes, some say no. It depends. lets assume that the $1500,= covers also the expenses for running msoffice, then its completely ok. If the $1500,= does not cover running msoffice then it is not ok to give your neighbour that CDR. But then again. What value does the msoffice CDR represent? The CDR itself is just a lousy $0.25 media costs. If you find it in a desert with no PC's for over 5000 miles, you can only use it as a coaster. The msoffice CDR will only be of use if you have a running PC.
Bill gates said exactly the opposite to the director of the Altair factory : "Without my software your Altair is completely useless". Well that is just not true. You can always find some other version of a office package or OS to run on your PC. There's expensive ones, cheaper ones and even free to download iso versions which you then burn and install.
What i want to make clear is that for a digital copy to work one needs some sort of a materialized copy to go along too. Staring at a directory and watching at two files : msoffice1.iso and msoffice2.iso ain't a real copy. It takes a extra CDR to burn and a 2nd PC to install/run msoffice also on that one.
Now comes the Internet. suddenly people don't need CDR's anymore to transport iso's from Joe's PC to Jack's PC. Jack anyway burn the msoffice2.iso on a CDR and installs/runs it. Jack also paid $1500,= for his PC. If that price covers running/installing msoffice its ok. If not, then Jack is the bad guy. Not for having a $0.25 CDR with msoffice2.iso on it, but for installing/running it.
Oh what a mess. In the old days making a copy was technically also easy, but media, harddisks and tapes were way more expensive. What i want to point out here, is that a digital copy technically takes no effort at all. its sometimes just 1 command on a prompt. There's no regulations i can think of that can prevent that from happening. Its a digital cyberspace thing. What matters in the end is the materialization efforts/costs which are needed to run a copy on a different street address. That would take a 2nd PC and CDR. if we want to have a sane digital copying act , let it act on the extra materalization efforts needed to run it on a different place.
Now we have a rat's brain doing the cyberdyne chip part. Well we all know what a rat behaves like. the cyberdyne chip inside Arnold Schwarzenegger was at least able to say 'Hasta la Vista'. When the cyberdyne chip and its factory was 'terminated' , terminator Arnold had to destroy himself too, to completely anihilate cyberdyne technology.
Well my opinion is to put this crazy stuff on hold. Imagine a rat controlling heavy armed robots. This is for normal sane people a no-go.
Robert
Robert
>
> OSS is an OK idealist idea, but in practice what it will do is completely stall the world economy.
The world economy is not stalled by OSS, i don't buy that. OSS is just a tool. Proprietary Software in the good days was also used as a tool/aid in the business process. Its only after large software vendors during the .com boom made proprietary software its own goal.
Next microsoft got their dominance on the complete IT software market. The latest remarkable action of them was introducing License 6.0, To me that is the main reason the IT industry is on a dead-end now. Like its parked inside a dead alley.
Another point for the stubourn stalling economy right now, is lack of trust and confidence in the current president of the USA. Not only inside the USA but also in the rest of the world people just don't know whats going to happen. So why would they show confidence and trust in the current president, the economy of the USA and hence the global economy?
Now how can a free or almost free thing like OSS make any influence on the economy? M$ seems to have major problems? Well if they do, then i think License 6.0 is a far more important reason as OSS.
Robert
Sometimes I'm allowed also to add 5 insightfull moderation points. However i'm certain they have on every slashdot member a certain "politics" profile. So when CmdrTaco thinks the opinion shoudl evolve in a certain direction, he either gives "the lefties" or "the rightwingies" moderation points to use. its very very sneaky. I just found out how they did it.
In this story he must have used his database on which slashdot members are againts RMS or in favor of RMS.
Robert
"In short, it's perfectly ok to sign a kernel image - I do it myself indirectly every day through the kernel.org, as kernel.org will sign the tar-balls I upload to make sure people can at least verify that they came that way. Doing the same thing on the binary is no different: signing a binary is a perfectly fine way to show the world that you're the one behind it, and that _you_ trust it.
"
hah i'd rather have md5 checksums on kernel.org.
Sorry Linus, i don't agree on this one. DRM is a wicked technology. The fact microsoft calls its own version RMS gave me some thoughts. The fact that when installing Windows XP according the book, will result in a system which cannot play 5 of the most popular multimedia formats commonly used on the Internet. mp3 is i think the most well known.
The reason we install Linux on our PC, is mainly cause it gives us our freedom back. Not all of us might realize that immediatly, but thats exactly how freedom is experienced.
If i understand from your posting that its ok to have a signed vmlinuz binary and modules, and if that also means that the DRM stuff will fail if i recompile my kernel from source, i think you are just plain wrong. Sorry Linus. If only a binary vmlinuz kernel can be signed and distributed, and is the only way to authenticate with a Rights Managements Server, then we have ourselves a dead duck. End of open source.
Robert
Hmm searchengine eh? Why don't you call it grab ?
Robert
Go watch the movie 'Takedown' where Skeet Ulrich plays Kevin Mitnick and Russel Wong plays Tsutomu Shimomura. Its based on the book 'Takedown' written by John Markov and Tsutomu Shimomura. Allthough the book seems to be a real 'takedown' of Kevin, the movie is IMHO a fair representation of what happened. Oh yeah don't forget to watch the Documentary Movie Freedom Downtime (2001) directed by Emmanuel Goldstein. Its available at 2600.com .
Robert
I advise those DARPA people to pull off their patriotic clothes and gadgets. They should wash their mouth, their ears, their feet, their hands and take a days leave. When they come back, and are not being hindered by patriotic absurdity, they should think again.
Nothing is so narrow minded for your brain, as only doing , thinking and wearing patriotic stuff.
Robert
Why not C++ or C# ? Well just compare the K&R book "The C Programming Language" with the Bjarne Stroustrup book "The C++ Programming Language". As the K&R autors write "We have tried to retain the brevity of the first edition. C is not a big language, and it is not served by a big book." The C++ language and the Stroustrup book are exactly the opposite.
So C is tiny, powerfull, completely defined inside a rather modest book, compared to all other languages, aspecially the object oriented flavours. So my prediction is C will never go away. The principle of object oriented programming also won't go away, but its form or dialect will evolve.
Robert
http://crashrecovery.org
Robert
Why? Because Microsoft has a stiffling grip on the OEM hardware market. There's a shitload of hardware on the market which was designed to be a win2k/winXP only gadget. That would mainly be certain USB devices, winmodems, winprinters, scanners, soundcards and graphics cards.
Robert
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degrees. The group handles complex litigation, brand
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and trademark prosecution.
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And now they want to enlengthen their cover-up period of nasty stuff onto end 2006. The year when they think they can be "home free".
its getting cold here suddenly.
Robert
- 18.4GB Fibre Channel 3.5LP 10K RPM 25.4MM
(Hitachi) - (DK32CJ18FC)
$119.00
- QLA2100/66 64bit PCI FC Host Adpt COPP w/Cab
(Qlogic) - (QLA210066)
$858.20
So where did he get those goodies? Ohh! he was just good buddies with a ex- Enterprise storage Admin?Robert
Hey! all i can say is, Respect your neighbour ! So no go that you would fool him and snatch his stuff.
Robert
Robert
Robert