I do NOT advocate non-violence as a means to defeat violent behaviour, as history has shown that it does not often work, but your assertion of "he pulls a knife, I pull a gun" is childish. What if there is no knife? If he only pulls the gun? Are you going to kick his ass then, tough guy?
You apparently didn't read the next sentence in that post. Go read it and then you won't need to ask.
I think you are counting on your "NRA stickers on the windows", your "Vote Freedom First" bumpersticker and your "POW-MIA flag" to do your fighting for you, pussy. Hopefully your image will scare off any potential danger before you have to try to defend yourself. Even your login is an extension of your desperation to be hard.
It's so much braver of you to hurl insults from behind your anonymous login.
they should (1) be expelled permanently* and (2) be prosecuted as adults.
On who's word? If three kids are picking on one kid, and that one kid goes to the principal or the police, it is the word of one versus the word of three.
That's what would happen to you if you, as an adult, beat up or harrassed another employee at a company you both work for.
Depends on the type of harrassment. I am merciless when one of the white people that I work with comes to work with sunburn.
The same should be done in schools. The "boys will be boys" attitude needs to go.
I disagree, boys will be boys, but that is no excuse for predatory behavior. Boys are supposed to rough house with their friends. Boys are supposed to sneak peaks up a girls' skirts.
Boys are not supposed to victimize people who are weaker than they are.
One of my cousins, he is 15 now, two years ago while at school saw several people harrassing a girl because she is a muslim. While not a muslim himself, he knew that it was wrong. He stepped in, he defended her, he got into a fight because of it. He got in trouble at school. He got in trouble with his mother. I have never been more proud of him. That is how boys are supposed to be.
Notice that you always do more violence than the other person in each example.
That is intentional. A potential attacker must know that any hostility on his part will be met with a certain and immediate consequence. The goal isn't to do any of those things. The goal is to never have to because a potential attacker knows that you will if you have to.
It takes real guts to bring something back down instead of following your animal instinct and getting revenge.
You can't reason with a rabid dog. If someone is thinking of doing bodily harm to you, they should know what will result from it.
Let me present it to you in this way. If we lived on the same street, in the same neighborhood and we had identical houses across the street from one another. On your house, you have rainbow stickers on the windows, a million mom march bumber sticker on your car, and vegan pride flag on a pole in the front yard. My house has NRA stickers on the windows, I have a "Vote Freedom First" bumpersticker on my car, and a POW-MIA flag on a pole in my front yard.
Given this scenario, if someone were in our neighborhood and thinking of causing mischief, namely robbing one of our houses, who do you think he'll pick?
If you are a pacisivist, I can understand and respect your belifs. I can not share them, because history has shown me time and time again what happens to people who will not defend themselves.
Well you're free to bring your kids up how you see fit, but personally I'd seek not to perpetuate the cycle of violence.
I respect your opinion. I just see things differently. As I see it, you can not stop the cycle of violence by allowing it to continue.
Bullies perpatrate violence because they don't believe that their victims can or will stop them. So to end their predatory behavior, you have to stop outside of the victim mold.
I'll be teaching my kids to use their intelligence rather than their fists to get out of tough situations.
You are right, except for those times when they are under assault. You can't out think or out reason someone's fist.
What would I tell my kids if someone is threatening them? If it's not serious ignore it, laugh it off. If it is serious, tell an adult. Most importantly of all, tell me.
What do you tell your children if they are attacked? This is the heart of what I'm discussing. Other kids saying mean things is meaningless. I'm talking about the kids who shove or hit people that they perceive to be smaller or weaker.
I'm not talking about beating another kid senseless because he says that your mother wears army boots.
I went to a school that had the policy of suspending all sutdents involved in a fight, regardless of who started it. The result of this policy is that I never told anyone when I got beat up by the bullies, out of fear of getting suspended myself.
I can understand the logic of suspending everyone involved. If a "popular" person tries to beat up an "unpopular" person, who do you think the witnesses will blame for "starting it"?
The one time in Jr. HS that I just got my ass handed to me, I didn't face suspension. Thankfully there were enought people that saw the fight to tell the powers that be that I got sucker punched by the other kid.
The kids at school used to beat me up and call me names until I finally showed them. My buddy and I went to school with Tech-9s and loads of ammo. We shot up the whole place. We were L33T!
I think you mean "Tec-9s". Dumbass. Move along now little Troll, go bother someone else.
When you see an embarrasing picture of you broadcasted to all emails of your classmates, there is very little you can do to catch the sender, as you don't even know who he is...
When I was in my early 20s, I over did it on the booze at a friend's 4th of July party. I passed out in the bathroom with my pants around my ankles. Another of our friend snuck in and snapped a picture of me. She emailed it to about 20 people that we know. That is the most embarrassing picture of me in existance, but you know what? There was no crime.
Anonymity is not good crime-wise.
It's not good for freedom either. In case you don't remember, Deep Throat, the anonymous informant is the reason why we found out as much as we know about Watergate.
It's pretty rough if you want to keep a clean record though. The rules are clear, if you fight back, you get suspension.
I got into the second fight that I described above while serving out an in-school suspension for another fight. My 7th grade year, I got into 4 fights. I won three of them. I have only had to fight twice since then. I haven't had to fight in over a decade. I hope that I never have to again. But your immediate safety and your long term mental health are far more important than taking a 3 day vacation from school.
Fortunately, once you get out of middle school/junior high most of those problems drop out, and sometimes you get lucky and they're sent off to private school (especially with the military).
Sometimes after you get older, they like having you around, because even bullies are afraid of someone.
Yes, this is exactly what we need. Teach kids to solve their differences with fights.
You missed my point. I'm not talking about using violence to resolve differences. I'm talking about letting your kid know that it is alright to defend himself. Legally, Morally, and ethically there are no problems with self defense.
If you throw a punch at me, I'm going to try to break your nose. If you pull a knife on me, I'm going to pull a gun on you. If you pull a gun on me, I'm going to shoot you in the face. Most importantly, if you leave me alone. I'll leave you alone.
otherwise, revenge is stupid and it only continues a cycle of violence. it doesn't matter if you don't have the imagination to eliminate the conflict from your life without violence, it's the violence that is lame.
Fuck that. You didn't live my life. I was there. I know what choices I had. I made the best choice for the situation that I was in. Period.
it may be a foregone conclusion that you view the world in terms of battle.
As opposed to what? A love in?
it doesn't seem to matter to you that your bully (or his friends) just moved on to the next weakest kid.
No, because when I got them off of my back, I looked out for others. Not all, in fact, not most, but I was able to protect some of the other kids.
to regulate the conduct of a student outside of the school's authority?
Let's say that on a Saturday little Billy posts a website saying that little Susie (who happens to be little Billy's ex girlfriend) is a slut or a tramp, or has bad feminine hygiene.
The school has no right to punish him for this. Is what he did illegal? If what he says happens to be true, no. The police can't punish him for taking advantage of his free speech rights. No school has the right to usurp authority like that.
Maybe a private shcool could get away with something like that. They provide a service and would have the right to refuse that service to anyone they choose.
Had there been a web when I was in high school, I would have probably done my best to let the world know how much of a whore a certain ex girlfriend of mine(cough, cough, Jamie Manning) was. I don't see why things would be any different for the current generation.
Wouldn't this be a perfect opportunity for the nerds to get even with the bullies?
I did precisely that, by embarrassing them. What could be worse for the "cool guy's" tough image than getting kicked in the throat by the fat nerdy black kid?
Before you ask, yes I did this. Later that same year, I lifted a kid 2 years older than me off of his feet and blackened his eye with a haymaker right hand.
We need to start teaching children how to defend themselves. Regardless of school policy, legally you have the right to defend yourself. If bullies are pushing your kid around, if bullies are beating your kid up, give your child the means to defend him/herself. Let your kid know that even if he/she gets in trouble at school for standing up for him/herself, you'll back him/her up.
Thankfully my mother let me off of the leash, so to speak, that the school tried to keep me on. Beat the bullies senseless two or three times, and guess what, they leave you alone.
So you think that my post should have been censored just because you didn't like it/agree with it?
Did you even read my post? I said I wouldn't have wasted a mod point on this, but it was not unfair.
So to spell it out for you, as simply as I can. No I don't think that your post "should have been" modded down, but it was not unfair for the moderator to do so.
I thank God that you are not my dad. I probably would have gone mad by now and killed you and then turned the gun on myself with your attitude.
If I was your father, I would have taught you far more about logic, reason and self control than you obviously learned from your father.
Thats right. Assuming you are a reasonable parent and not a nazi.
Give me a break. "Hitler...", "Nazi....", blah blah blah. Your cavalier use of these words belittles the people who actually faced them.
When they start to understand that you are right and doing the best thing for them and demonstrate the required maturity, you should allow them the freedoms they deserve and have a right to.
At all times people are free to think whatever they want. While you are responsible for them, legally, morally, financially, it is the choice of the parent to decide what children are allowed to do.
I don't care if you're mature for your age. At 14, you shouldn't be out until 2:00am. If a 17 year old, wants to go to a kegger out in the woods and down a few beers with his friends, that's fine with me, but he's not borrowing my car to do it.
But the world will teach them more than you ever will.
You have no idea what I teach. Parents are the first teachers that children encounter. From parents they learn language, morals and values. The world may shape those, but teach them more? Never.
And as much as you think you run shit, you don't. You might run your car, your house, and probably your bowels, but you don't run other people.
A parent does, in fact, "run shit" in his/her home. Where do you think their children live?
And provided that they're not stupid, eventually it will dawn on them that daddy's a hypocritical asshole, even if he does think he's doing right.
Asshole? At times. Hypocritical, never.
Judging from your general attitude, I don't think you would find cussing acceptable from a child.
It would depend on the situation. If he/she is in a group of her friends, I have no problem with it. If it's a retort to me or mother, I wouldn't accept it.
Why do you do it yourself? Because you're an adult? Because you know so much more? Or maybe because you don't have anyone telling you you can't.
Once again, it depends on the situation. Usually I use profanity only when I feel that it conveys the point that I'm trying to make better than other language. Sometimes I use German or French words or phrases when they more precisely fit the message that I'm trying to get across.
Your brow-beating attitude isn't why kids go on shooting sprees. Well, maybe a contributing factor, but not the cause.
If that's the case, why is it that so many of the parents of the school shooters often had no idea of what was going on in their children's lives?
Teen pregnancy is on the rise, because people like you tell little Susie she better be a good girl and not fuck, rather than explain to her that her body and her desires aren't shameful, she should respect herself, and use some fucking birth control!
You have no idea of how I will handle it when my daughter is old enough to become sexually active.
To summarize my point, most kids aren't stupid. And "because I said so" doesn't fly. Eventually they'll stop being scared of you, and then they'll tell you to go fuck yourself.
Fear of me is a secondary factor. Children are to obey because you set an example and they respect you. When there is no longer any need for fear of me, my goal is for there to be only respect. Maybe you're confusing me with your father. I have never used "because I said so" as a reason.
You know what counts? Results. And a fucked-up individual who tows the line because they're scared of their parents, sonme god, or the government isn't a functional human being.
On the grand scheme of things, if, when one of my children is 15 years old, he/she smokes one and only one joint, it's not the end of the world. The decision to make use of intoxicants is best left to someone more mature. The knowledge that I will find out and that I will raise hell, is a compelling reason to delay making that choice.
So now do you discount people who live their lives by religious rules? Even though it's not my way, I have no problem with Jewish people who keep Kosher, or with Muslims who only eat Halal.
In case you hadn't noticed. We do not live in a perfect world. Fear that the government will lock you behind bars is just as valid a reason not to pick an old lady's pocket as one's moral belief that it is simply wrong to do so.
A mature individual who can reason out their decisions based upon available input and has a healthy lust for life is.
Two people, given the same set of data can come to two vastly different conclusions. In most cases, that's a good thing and healthy for society. In others, it is not. Sociopaths often reason that it is acceptable to kill other people. I
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I do NOT advocate non-violence as a means to defeat violent behaviour, as history has shown that it does not often work, but your assertion of "he pulls a knife, I pull a gun" is childish. What if there is no knife? If he only pulls the gun? Are you going to kick his ass then, tough guy?
You apparently didn't read the next sentence in that post. Go read it and then you won't need to ask.
I think you are counting on your "NRA stickers on the windows", your "Vote Freedom First" bumpersticker and your "POW-MIA flag" to do your fighting for you, pussy. Hopefully your image will scare off any potential danger before you have to try to defend yourself. Even your login is an extension of your desperation to be hard.
It's so much braver of you to hurl insults from behind your anonymous login.
LK
Luck. Sheer luck.
No. Rational and healthy fear.
So, you've never heard of Ghandi?
I knew that was coming. Yes I have heard of him. He's dead. Martin Luther King Jr., dead. See where I'm going with this?
LK
they should (1) be expelled permanently* and (2) be prosecuted as adults.
On who's word? If three kids are picking on one kid, and that one kid goes to the principal or the police, it is the word of one versus the word of three.
That's what would happen to you if you, as an adult, beat up or harrassed another employee at a company you both work for.
Depends on the type of harrassment. I am merciless when one of the white people that I work with comes to work with sunburn.
The same should be done in schools. The "boys will be boys" attitude needs to go.
I disagree, boys will be boys, but that is no excuse for predatory behavior. Boys are supposed to rough house with their friends. Boys are supposed to sneak peaks up a girls' skirts.
Boys are not supposed to victimize people who are weaker than they are.
One of my cousins, he is 15 now, two years ago while at school saw several people harrassing a girl because she is a muslim. While not a muslim himself, he knew that it was wrong. He stepped in, he defended her, he got into a fight because of it. He got in trouble at school. He got in trouble with his mother. I have never been more proud of him. That is how boys are supposed to be.
LK
What you condone is an escalation of violence.
Yes.
Notice that you always do more violence than the other person in each example.
That is intentional. A potential attacker must know that any hostility on his part will be met with a certain and immediate consequence. The goal isn't to do any of those things. The goal is to never have to because a potential attacker knows that you will if you have to.
It takes real guts to bring something back down instead of following your animal instinct and getting revenge.
You can't reason with a rabid dog. If someone is thinking of doing bodily harm to you, they should know what will result from it.
Let me present it to you in this way. If we lived on the same street, in the same neighborhood and we had identical houses across the street from one another. On your house, you have rainbow stickers on the windows, a million mom march bumber sticker on your car, and vegan pride flag on a pole in the front yard. My house has NRA stickers on the windows, I have a "Vote Freedom First" bumpersticker on my car, and a POW-MIA flag on a pole in my front yard.
Given this scenario, if someone were in our neighborhood and thinking of causing mischief, namely robbing one of our houses, who do you think he'll pick?
If you are a pacisivist, I can understand and respect your belifs. I can not share them, because history has shown me time and time again what happens to people who will not defend themselves.
LK
And we wonder why violence is more prevelant among younger children.
Disregard your fantasy world for just a moment, look at the real world.
What kept the USA and the USSR from destroying this planet?
The knowledge that if either side does something stupid, we'll all pay for it.
This principle works with world superpowers, it also works with school children.
LK
Well you're free to bring your kids up how you see fit, but personally I'd seek not to perpetuate the cycle of violence.
I respect your opinion. I just see things differently. As I see it, you can not stop the cycle of violence by allowing it to continue.
Bullies perpatrate violence because they don't believe that their victims can or will stop them. So to end their predatory behavior, you have to stop outside of the victim mold.
I'll be teaching my kids to use their intelligence rather than their fists to get out of tough situations.
You are right, except for those times when they are under assault. You can't out think or out reason someone's fist.
What would I tell my kids if someone is threatening them? If it's not serious ignore it, laugh it off. If it is serious, tell an adult. Most importantly of all, tell me.
What do you tell your children if they are attacked? This is the heart of what I'm discussing. Other kids saying mean things is meaningless. I'm talking about the kids who shove or hit people that they perceive to be smaller or weaker.
I'm not talking about beating another kid senseless because he says that your mother wears army boots.
LK
I went to a school that had the policy of suspending all sutdents involved in a fight, regardless of who started it. The result of this policy is that I never told anyone when I got beat up by the bullies, out of fear of getting suspended myself.
I can understand the logic of suspending everyone involved. If a "popular" person tries to beat up an "unpopular" person, who do you think the witnesses will blame for "starting it"?
The one time in Jr. HS that I just got my ass handed to me, I didn't face suspension. Thankfully there were enought people that saw the fight to tell the powers that be that I got sucker punched by the other kid.
LK
The kids at school used to beat me up and call me names until I finally showed them. My buddy and I went to school with Tech-9s and loads of ammo. We shot up the whole place. We were L33T!
I think you mean "Tec-9s". Dumbass. Move along now little Troll, go bother someone else.
When you see an embarrasing picture of you broadcasted to all emails of your classmates, there is very little you can do to catch the sender, as you don't even know who he is...
When I was in my early 20s, I over did it on the booze at a friend's 4th of July party. I passed out in the bathroom with my pants around my ankles. Another of our friend snuck in and snapped a picture of me. She emailed it to about 20 people that we know. That is the most embarrassing picture of me in existance, but you know what? There was no crime.
Anonymity is not good crime-wise.
It's not good for freedom either. In case you don't remember, Deep Throat, the anonymous informant is the reason why we found out as much as we know about Watergate.
LK
It's pretty rough if you want to keep a clean record though. The rules are clear, if you fight back, you get suspension.
I got into the second fight that I described above while serving out an in-school suspension for another fight. My 7th grade year, I got into 4 fights. I won three of them. I have only had to fight twice since then. I haven't had to fight in over a decade. I hope that I never have to again. But your immediate safety and your long term mental health are far more important than taking a 3 day vacation from school.
Fortunately, once you get out of middle school/junior high most of those problems drop out, and sometimes you get lucky and they're sent off to private school (especially with the military).
Sometimes after you get older, they like having you around, because even bullies are afraid of someone.
LK
Yes, this is exactly what we need. Teach kids to solve their differences with fights.
You missed my point. I'm not talking about using violence to resolve differences. I'm talking about letting your kid know that it is alright to defend himself. Legally, Morally, and ethically there are no problems with self defense.
If you throw a punch at me, I'm going to try to break your nose. If you pull a knife on me, I'm going to pull a gun on you. If you pull a gun on me, I'm going to shoot you in the face. Most importantly, if you leave me alone. I'll leave you alone.
LK
otherwise, revenge is stupid and it only continues a cycle of violence. it doesn't matter if you don't have the imagination to eliminate the conflict from your life without violence, it's the violence that is lame.
Fuck that. You didn't live my life. I was there. I know what choices I had. I made the best choice for the situation that I was in. Period.
it may be a foregone conclusion that you view the world in terms of battle.
As opposed to what? A love in?
it doesn't seem to matter to you that your bully (or his friends) just moved on to the next weakest kid.
No, because when I got them off of my back, I looked out for others. Not all, in fact, not most, but I was able to protect some of the other kids.
LK
to regulate the conduct of a student outside of the school's authority?
Let's say that on a Saturday little Billy posts a website saying that little Susie (who happens to be little Billy's ex girlfriend) is a slut or a tramp, or has bad feminine hygiene.
The school has no right to punish him for this. Is what he did illegal? If what he says happens to be true, no. The police can't punish him for taking advantage of his free speech rights. No school has the right to usurp authority like that.
Maybe a private shcool could get away with something like that. They provide a service and would have the right to refuse that service to anyone they choose.
Had there been a web when I was in high school, I would have probably done my best to let the world know how much of a whore a certain ex girlfriend of mine(cough, cough, Jamie Manning) was. I don't see why things would be any different for the current generation.
LK
Wouldn't this be a perfect opportunity for the nerds to get even with the bullies?
I did precisely that, by embarrassing them. What could be worse for the "cool guy's" tough image than getting kicked in the throat by the fat nerdy black kid?
Before you ask, yes I did this. Later that same year, I lifted a kid 2 years older than me off of his feet and blackened his eye with a haymaker right hand.
We need to start teaching children how to defend themselves. Regardless of school policy, legally you have the right to defend yourself. If bullies are pushing your kid around, if bullies are beating your kid up, give your child the means to defend him/herself. Let your kid know that even if he/she gets in trouble at school for standing up for him/herself, you'll back him/her up.
Thankfully my mother let me off of the leash, so to speak, that the school tried to keep me on. Beat the bullies senseless two or three times, and guess what, they leave you alone.
LK
No. It's proof that the moderators know a Troll when they see one.
It is after all her life, and lying to avoid persecution under unjust rule is not wrong.
So, what you're saying is, that in your opinion, it is unjust for a parent to demand that hes/her teenage child not smoke marijuana?
LK
Only because you don't like my opinions. Running out of argument?
No, just patience. Move along now Troll.
Hah! You said earlier that I can invade your privacy at any time I choose.
I also said " I won't invade your privacy unless you give me a reason to. "
But unless you have a comprehension problem, you already knew that.
I'm done with you, Troll.
Move on to greener pastures.
So you think that my post should have been censored just because you didn't like it/agree with it?
Did you even read my post? I said
I wouldn't have wasted a mod point on this, but it was not unfair.
So to spell it out for you, as simply as I can. No I don't think that your post "should have been" modded down, but it was not unfair for the moderator to do so.
I thank God that you are not my dad. I probably would have gone mad by now and killed you and then turned the gun on myself with your attitude.
If I was your father, I would have taught you far more about logic, reason and self control than you obviously learned from your father.
Troll.
LK
Cavalier? How about your treatment of your children and how emotionally and socially damaging this could be for them?
Seperate issue. Why not deal with the one I raised?
Where did I say that?
Let me remind you of what you just said...
You would rather sit down and preach some more "values" than let these kids gain valuable life experiences
Enough said...
If its fine with you that you knowingly have kids going out doing underage drinking, then you have some serious issues.
My issue is only with an unfair law. All over europe it's normal and healthy for people that age to learn about responsible alcohol consumption.
Oh well, you will probably respond with more ad-hominem and accuse me of being some other elusive AC in effort to attack me.
This is the funniest thing I've heard from you after dropping severl Nazi and Hitler comparisons, you accuse ME of making ad hominem attacks.
LK
Really? As evidenced from your posts, it seems that you want to teach kids that you are God, always right, and perfect.
Strangely enough, yes I am God. As are you. As are they.
So its okay to use here? I do not understand your logic, asshole.
And? If you didn't understand Euclidian geometry or Newtonian physics, that wouldn't make them any less valid.
Like they do in some arab cultures where they cut off their clitoris?
No. And this is done in vast parts of Africa too, or is your problem just with the Arabs?
No, Children are to obey because you taught them why they should obey you.
Circular logic at its best.
So are you going to let your kids have any privacy whatsoever online? Are you going to let them lead independent lives?
Do you remember my post that started this thread? I respect their privacy, unless given a reason to invade it.
That doesn't jive with your general attitude and what you have said in earlier posts.
Really? Care to show me where in ony of those earlier posts where I said that?
He was noting your use of it while at the same time being an ass-uptight parent who demands some Hitlerian standard of behavior.
Wow, a mind reader. Right here on slashdot. You could give David Blaine a run for his money.
And "Hitler" "Nazi" "Hitler" "Nazi", why don't you just call me a "Fascist" a "Racist" and a "Sexist" just to get it all over with.
You wound me.
LK
i dont agree with everything he said but it seems that the moderator just didnt liek parent poster's opinion and thus moderated him down.
You must not have read the entire post.
I pray to God that your kids dont get their hands on any guns.
I wouldn't have wasted a mod point on this, but it was not unfair.
I read at -1 so, I'll see his responses no matter how low they get modded.
LK
Why?
Because I'm there.
Thats right. Assuming you are a reasonable parent and not a nazi.
Give me a break. "Hitler...", "Nazi....", blah blah blah. Your cavalier use of these words belittles the people who actually faced them.
When they start to understand that you are right and doing the best thing for them and demonstrate the required maturity, you should allow them the freedoms they deserve and have a right to.
At all times people are free to think whatever they want. While you are responsible for them, legally, morally, financially, it is the choice of the parent to decide what children are allowed to do.
I don't care if you're mature for your age. At 14, you shouldn't be out until 2:00am. If a 17 year old, wants to go to a kegger out in the woods and down a few beers with his friends, that's fine with me, but he's not borrowing my car to do it.
LK
I didn't see the other poster's comments,
Then click on the link that says "Parent".
But the world will teach them more than you ever will.
You have no idea what I teach. Parents are the first teachers that children encounter. From parents they learn language, morals and values. The world may shape those, but teach them more? Never.
And as much as you think you run shit, you don't. You might run your car, your house, and probably your bowels, but you don't run other people.
A parent does, in fact, "run shit" in his/her home. Where do you think their children live?
And provided that they're not stupid, eventually it will dawn on them that daddy's a hypocritical asshole, even if he does think he's doing right.
Asshole? At times. Hypocritical, never.
Judging from your general attitude, I don't think you would find cussing acceptable from a child.
It would depend on the situation. If he/she is in a group of her friends, I have no problem with it. If it's a retort to me or mother, I wouldn't accept it.
Why do you do it yourself? Because you're an adult? Because you know so much more? Or maybe because you don't have anyone telling you you can't.
Once again, it depends on the situation. Usually I use profanity only when I feel that it conveys the point that I'm trying to make better than other language. Sometimes I use German or French words or phrases when they more precisely fit the message that I'm trying to get across.
Your brow-beating attitude isn't why kids go on shooting sprees. Well, maybe a contributing factor, but not the cause.
If that's the case, why is it that so many of the parents of the school shooters often had no idea of what was going on in their children's lives?
Teen pregnancy is on the rise, because people like you tell little Susie she better be a good girl and not fuck, rather than explain to her that her body and her desires aren't shameful, she should respect herself, and use some fucking birth control!
You have no idea of how I will handle it when my daughter is old enough to become sexually active.
To summarize my point, most kids aren't stupid. And "because I said so" doesn't fly. Eventually they'll stop being scared of you, and then they'll tell you to go fuck yourself.
Fear of me is a secondary factor. Children are to obey because you set an example and they respect you. When there is no longer any need for fear of me, my goal is for there to be only respect. Maybe you're confusing me with your father. I have never used "because I said so" as a reason.
You know what counts? Results. And a fucked-up individual who tows the line because they're scared of their parents, sonme god, or the government isn't a functional human being.
On the grand scheme of things, if, when one of my children is 15 years old, he/she smokes one and only one joint, it's not the end of the world. The decision to make use of intoxicants is best left to someone more mature. The knowledge that I will find out and that I will raise hell, is a compelling reason to delay making that choice.
So now do you discount people who live their lives by religious rules? Even though it's not my way, I have no problem with Jewish people who keep Kosher, or with Muslims who only eat Halal.
In case you hadn't noticed. We do not live in a perfect world. Fear that the government will lock you behind bars is just as valid a reason not to pick an old lady's pocket as one's moral belief that it is simply wrong to do so.
A mature individual who can reason out their decisions based upon available input and has a healthy lust for life is.
Two people, given the same set of data can come to two vastly different conclusions. In most cases, that's a good thing and healthy for society. In others, it is not. Sociopaths often reason that it is acceptable to kill other people. I