So you are not worried about your 7 year old accidentially clicking onto goatse.cx or having to deal with other online nasties?
In a word. No.
If fear is the only thing you kids have to lean on when they encounter something "bad", then you are doing them a disservice. They can easily be doing this bad stuff somewhere else. Teach them why instead of sheltering them.
Respect is first. Fear is a last resort. Children should obey you because you have demonstrated to them that you know what you're talking about. That 99% of the time, when you tell them something, you turn out to be right.
My parents gave me complete freedom online when I could demonstrate that I understood what is right and wrong and that I was mature enough to handle it.
Apparently, we grew up a few years apart. When I was 15, a 2400bps modem was the best most of us hoped for. And the people who had them weren't accessing web pages, because they weren't there.
and who did you think I am that caused you to lash out at me in your last post?
A certain anonymous coward, that I'm still fairly certain that you are.
Huh? Please explain before slandering my character any more.
Slander is spoken. This is typed.
And what I mean is that people who view discipline and rules as the enemy are people who do their children and society as a whole, a disservice.
I pray to God that your kids dont get their hands on any guns. If thats how you treat them, you become their worst enemy.
I have many. When they're old enough, I'll teach them how to shoot. I have no concerns about it.
Treat them with love and respect, not as hardened criminals, if you want kids to love you back.
Treat them like children, and they'll live long enough to become happy, well adjusted adults.
I am not suggesting that 7 year olds should be given free reign on the internet. What I am saying is that if you are continuing to treat 14 and 15 year olds like 7 year olds, you are restricting intellectual and social growth.
A 15 year old should be watched more closely than a 7 year old. A 7 year old wants to read about Yu Gi Oh cards and Pokemon. 15 year olds are far more likely to find objectionable material.Being that I'm a geek, it will be far more difficult for my children to hide their internat activities from me. I'm constantly working towards it, the goal for me is to have my children think of me in two ways. When they've done something good, I want them to say "I can't wait to tell dad, he'll be so proud." When they're even thinking about doing something improper I want them to say "No thanks man, my dad would kill me."
Yeah, it's too bad they can't keep the rapists and muderers IN jail because they're so full of pot and/or crack smokers.
Dealers are swelling the ranks of our prison population. With the exception of backwoods states like Alabama, cops don't really care if you're puffing a joint in your own home. If you're moving 8 balls of coke, you're going to get the attention of the boys in blue.
Parents like you are the reason why children go mad and go on shooting rampages and/or commit suicide.
People like you are the reason why teen pregnancy rates increase. You are not your child's friend. You are the PARENT. Sure, one day your children can grow into some of the best friends you ever had, but before then it is your obligation to keep them from doing the dumb shit that kids do.
Get over your Hitler complex and apply common sense, not draconianisn, to raising teenagers.
Children are not born with common sense. It is the job of the parent to keep them from doing something damaging to themselves while they learn.
BTW, yes, I know it's you again. I see that you still are devastated by our last encounter.
Finally, and this is sort of a meta-question from an exasperated dad, does everybody lie about what they're doing on the Internet?
No. Why lie about it? I've downloaded big heaps of porno. Played poker. Met women. Pirated software/movies/music. And no less than once per day I log onto Slashdot.
If your child is a boy, you don't even have to ask. He was looking at porno. If your child is a girl, someone was talking dirty to her and she didn't want you to know.
1. I run shit around here! 2. I can invade your privacy at any time I choose. 3. I won't invade your privacy unless you give me a reason to. 4. You don't have to agree with everything that I say, but you do have to obey. 5. If you think I'm mistaken, you can talk to me and I'll consider changing my mind. 6. Decisions have consequences. Break my rules and you'll face my punishment.
If your child(ren) has (have) broken every rule that you set for them to use the internet in their room, revoke it. Take it away. I'm sorry if this next part sounds harsh, but YOU ARE THE FUCKING PARENT! You are the one who runs shit in your house! You don't need me to tell you this.
18 months versus 60. What's to stop you from upgrading your distro every 18 months? Millions of people who use Windows are doing exactly that, for about $100 a pop.
Distributions that you can "download for free" don't offer the guaranteed, extended lifetime that you're going to get from RHEL. At least, not with continuing security updates.
In a movie called "Save House". http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0120051/
Patrick Stewart plays a retired DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency,the military's equivalent to the CIA) agent who has some damning information on a former military bigwig turned presidential hopeful.
He sets up a deadman switch on a computer that could be "anywhere" and if he doesn't periodically log in to reset the counter it fires off copies of all of the big bad guy's dirt to every newspaper, tv station, and major media outlet on the planet.
The fun really starts when he begins to develop Alzheimer's disease.
However, this is not always the case, otherwise people would see that Walmart only expands into markets to control and dominate them.
I'm sorry, but I don't see it that way. Walmart is a business, they enter a market to make money. If you can make more money by dominating that market, that's what they're supposed to do.
Aside from their piss poor music selection, I don't have a problem with Walmart. You can buy a shotgun, a ski mask, and 5 quarts of motor oil all under one roof.
Walmart changes their policy about censored music as it relates to their online store.
If I'm going to D/L a Ludacris track, I'm not going to pay Walmart for "Move _____!" when I could use Kazaa and hear "Move Bitch!" for free.
Elijah Muhammad once compared a glass of water tainted with ink to a glass of pure water in the following manner; Here is a glass, dirty. The water, foul. You offer this to the people, they have no choice, they'll drink it if they're thirsty. You offer them this glass, they'll make their own decision. They will choose the pure vessel.
This is what Walmart overlooks if they try to bring to market their adulterated selection of music.
This is why people like me were bitching about Red hat's shift in focus.
Sure, Red Hat Enterprise Linux will be all but bulletproof and stable, but what about those of us who aren't using linux to displace Solaris or NT Servers?
What about those of us who want to do a little Gimping or serve our home LANs? At the risk of drawing the fire of the distro zealots, this is the precise reason why I switched to Mandrake at about the same time as RHAT's IPO.
In the 60s the arabs again tried to wipe out Israel. As a result of the 6 day war, Israel got a bunch of land with a palistinian majority, that it didn't want.
Tell me again, what the sailors on the USS Liberty did to incur a 75 minute Israeli attack during the 6 day war?
Oh and one other thing, anyone who suggests that delibrately targeting and killing civilians and accidentally killing civilians as part of a military action are morally equivilant needs their head examined.
Sharon and Arafat have both intentionally killed civillians. They both have no claim to moral high ground.
I can't believe it. Something that actually makes sense coming from you. I may need to remove you from my foes list.
Sharon and Arafat have the blood of civillians on their hands. Neither of them is in a position to claim moral superiority over the other.
The Palestinians and the Israelis would be better served if they had different leaders.
The death of Rabin was the death of achieving peace in Israel within this generation. We can keep working to achieve that peace for the next generation.
This is a dangerous distortion of the right to trial. The right to trial is not to give perverts a day in court, it is to tell the difference between the perverts and the falsely accused.
Until the trial, there is no way to tell them apart.
Shooting microwaves at a car believed to belong to a terrorist who is committing a crime because there is not time to intervene with less than deadly force, may be necessary.
You just hit the tail on the head, may be necessary. Deadly force is to be a last resort. If a box truck refuses to pull over for a police officer, then perhaps it would be acceptable to use deadly force.
The original Mac OS and its last major update, Mac OS 9, have superficial changes, visually. As most Mac aficionados know, Mac OS 9 was a fast, strong OS.
Um, no. OS 9 was much slower tha 8.6, at the time OS 9 was introduced I was running a 200Mhz 603ev processor. 8.6 was still very responsive, when I tried 9.0, it felt like I was going back several generations in terms of speed. OS 9 may have been fast compared to the Rhapsody DR 1 that I got a hold of, but there is no F'ing way that it is faster than the previous mainstream Mac OSes.
Anyone who advocates giving EVEY terrorist a trial is a misguided idealist.
Our constitution requires it. There is a difference between sniping someone before he can activate the switch on a bomb and in killing a known terrorist just because we can get away with it.
Everyone who can be brought to justice, should be brought to justice. In a court of law. Pure and simple.
I hate child molestors even more than terrorists, and those perverts should have their day in court with a fair trial.
We need a Desktop Czar in the same vein as Linus is to the Kernel.
I respectfully disagree. Linux needs to keep the ability for programmers and users to choose which environment they prefer.
When you start forcing people to use and develop for, you'll end up with a situation like the one we face with MS. You don't have a real choice when it comes to a WM, or an API to program for, so what happens? Users and developers move in droves to Linux. Do you want to push people back to windows?
I say let the marketplace decide. Let KDE and Gnome live or die on their own merits. If enough people like both, let them both coexist. If not then the better WM will survive.
I prefer KDE, but it doesn't bother me if you prefer Gnome. We can both get the work done that we need to.
It is, if you expect him/her to stay that way. Of course that couldn't be good for the advance of civilization:)
Something that I learned when I was selling computers, PCs and Macs is that most people don't care to learn about what is going on inside of their machines.
They're more concerned with the football game, or with Jr's parent teacher conference. No matter how much you and I wish it was different, you just can't make Joe Sixpack care about technology issues.
Jail should not serve as 'punishment.' Jails should be there to keep dangerous poeple (muderers, rapists, etc.) away from us.
Fuck that. I am the son of a murder victim. I have many ex girlfriends who are rape survivors. Prison most definately should be a punishment for people like that.
Prison should first serve to keep people away from society, it's second function should be rehabilitation, and lastly it should be to punish.
The carrot and the stick are powerful motivators for behavior change. Maybe you shouldn't rape people, or you'll have to spend 20 hours a say in a 6x10 cell with no sunlight. Read as many books as you like, I hope you like to read, because you won't be watching HBO for the next 3-6 years.
I agree that someone who gets causght with weed shouldn't have to do time in prison, but what about heroin or crack dealers? They should be hehind bars. Pure and simple. If you hurt people, you have no business on the street.
It's not like the inmates will want to talk to everybody about beeing raped. Just because your friends didn't hear about it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
RMFP
Like I said, they all concede that it does happen, but not as often as people on the ouside think.
I'll take the word of men that I know personally who have collectively spent about 20 years in that environment over the word of "researchers" who have spent a few hours or days.
I know many men who served in Vietnam, I take their word over that of any author who wasn't there too.
Slashdot Mirror
So you are not worried about your 7 year old accidentially clicking onto goatse.cx or having to deal with other online nasties?
In a word. No.
If fear is the only thing you kids have to lean on when they encounter something "bad", then you are doing them a disservice. They can easily be doing this bad stuff somewhere else. Teach them why instead of sheltering them.
Respect is first. Fear is a last resort. Children should obey you because you have demonstrated to them that you know what you're talking about. That 99% of the time, when you tell them something, you turn out to be right.
My parents gave me complete freedom online when I could demonstrate that I understood what is right and wrong and that I was mature enough to handle it.
Apparently, we grew up a few years apart. When I was 15, a 2400bps modem was the best most of us hoped for. And the people who had them weren't accessing web pages, because they weren't there.
and who did you think I am that caused you to lash out at me in your last post?
A certain anonymous coward, that I'm still fairly certain that you are.
LK
Huh? Please explain before slandering my character any more.
Slander is spoken. This is typed.
And what I mean is that people who view discipline and rules as the enemy are people who do their children and society as a whole, a disservice.
I pray to God that your kids dont get their hands on any guns. If thats how you treat them, you become their worst enemy.
I have many. When they're old enough, I'll teach them how to shoot. I have no concerns about it.
Treat them with love and respect, not as hardened criminals, if you want kids to love you back.
Treat them like children, and they'll live long enough to become happy, well adjusted adults.
I am not suggesting that 7 year olds should be given free reign on the internet. What I am saying is that if you are continuing to treat 14 and 15 year olds like 7 year olds, you are restricting intellectual and social growth.
A 15 year old should be watched more closely than a 7 year old. A 7 year old wants to read about Yu Gi Oh cards and Pokemon. 15 year olds are far more likely to find objectionable material.Being that I'm a geek, it will be far more difficult for my children to hide their internat activities from me. I'm constantly working towards it, the goal for me is to have my children think of me in two ways. When they've done something good, I want them to say "I can't wait to tell dad, he'll be so proud." When they're even thinking about doing something improper I want them to say "No thanks man, my dad would kill me."
LK
LK
Yeah, it's too bad they can't keep the rapists and muderers IN jail because they're so full of pot and/or crack smokers.
Dealers are swelling the ranks of our prison population. With the exception of backwoods states like Alabama, cops don't really care if you're puffing a joint in your own home. If you're moving 8 balls of coke, you're going to get the attention of the boys in blue.
LK
Parents like you are the reason why children go mad and go on shooting rampages and/or commit suicide.
People like you are the reason why teen pregnancy rates increase. You are not your child's friend. You are the PARENT. Sure, one day your children can grow into some of the best friends you ever had, but before then it is your obligation to keep them from doing the dumb shit that kids do.
Get over your Hitler complex and apply common sense, not draconianisn, to raising teenagers.
Children are not born with common sense. It is the job of the parent to keep them from doing something damaging to themselves while they learn.
BTW, yes, I know it's you again. I see that you still are devastated by our last encounter.
LK
Finally, and this is sort of a meta-question from an exasperated dad, does everybody lie about what they're doing on the Internet?
No. Why lie about it? I've downloaded big heaps of porno. Played poker. Met women. Pirated software/movies/music. And no less than once per day I log onto Slashdot.
If your child is a boy, you don't even have to ask. He was looking at porno. If your child is a girl, someone was talking dirty to her and she didn't want you to know.
LK
It's that simple. You must let the child know.
1. I run shit around here!
2. I can invade your privacy at any time I choose.
3. I won't invade your privacy unless you give me a reason to.
4. You don't have to agree with everything that I say, but you do have to obey.
5. If you think I'm mistaken, you can talk to me and I'll consider changing my mind.
6. Decisions have consequences. Break my rules and you'll face my punishment.
If your child(ren) has (have) broken every rule that you set for them to use the internet in their room, revoke it. Take it away. I'm sorry if this next part sounds harsh, but YOU ARE THE FUCKING PARENT! You are the one who runs shit in your house! You don't need me to tell you this.
Put your foot down. It's not that complicated.
LK
I'm sorry Mr. Anonymous troll. Not even I am beyond making a typo.
LK
Mandrake is still $$$FREE$$$.
18 months versus 60. What's to stop you from upgrading your distro every 18 months? Millions of people who use Windows are doing exactly that, for about $100 a pop.
LK
Distributions that you can "download for free" don't offer the guaranteed, extended lifetime that you're going to get from RHEL. At least, not with continuing security updates.
Mandrake?
5 years ago no less.
In a movie called "Save House".
http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0120051/
Patrick Stewart plays a retired DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency,the military's equivalent to the CIA) agent who has some damning information on a former military bigwig turned presidential hopeful.
He sets up a deadman switch on a computer that could be "anywhere" and if he doesn't periodically log in to reset the counter it fires off copies of all of the big bad guy's dirt to every newspaper, tv station, and major media outlet on the planet.
The fun really starts when he begins to develop Alzheimer's disease.
LK
However, this is not always the case, otherwise people would see that Walmart only expands into markets to control and dominate them.
I'm sorry, but I don't see it that way. Walmart is a business, they enter a market to make money. If you can make more money by dominating that market, that's what they're supposed to do.
Aside from their piss poor music selection, I don't have a problem with Walmart. You can buy a shotgun, a ski mask, and 5 quarts of motor oil all under one roof.
LK
Walmart changes their policy about censored music as it relates to their online store.
If I'm going to D/L a Ludacris track, I'm not going to pay Walmart for "Move _____!" when I could use Kazaa and hear "Move Bitch!" for free.
Elijah Muhammad once compared a glass of water tainted with ink to a glass of pure water in the following manner; Here is a glass, dirty. The water, foul. You offer this to the people, they have no choice, they'll drink it if they're thirsty. You offer them this glass, they'll make their own decision. They will choose the pure vessel.
This is what Walmart overlooks if they try to bring to market their adulterated selection of music.
LK
How is this not violating copyright again? Last I heard, copying movies fell into that category.
It's the same as the difference between selling somone a kilo of cocaine and planning to buy a kilo of cocaine that you are willing to sell.
Next we're going to see people charged with "intent to violate copyright".
LK
I'm a gun owner. I am a supporter, financial and ideological, of the NRA.
We have had Feinstein on our backs for no less than 10 years.
As a gun owning geek, I hope she gets encephalitis and fucking dies.
This post may be flamebait, but it is neither offtopic nor a troll.
LK
I moved to Mandrake a while ago. I saw the writing on the wall for Red Hat when the IPO went off.
Why would anyone work to report bugs and gather documentation to get them fixed if they can never use the product for more than testing?
If I didn't own a buttload of RHAT stock, I wouldn't. F that.
LK
This is why people like me were bitching about Red hat's shift in focus.
Sure, Red Hat Enterprise Linux will be all but bulletproof and stable, but what about those of us who aren't using linux to displace Solaris or NT Servers?
What about those of us who want to do a little Gimping or serve our home LANs? At the risk of drawing the fire of the distro zealots, this is the precise reason why I switched to Mandrake at about the same time as RHAT's IPO.
LK
In the 60s the arabs again tried to wipe out Israel. As a result of the 6 day war, Israel got a bunch of land with a palistinian majority, that it didn't want.
Tell me again, what the sailors on the USS Liberty did to incur a 75 minute Israeli attack during the 6 day war?
Oh and one other thing, anyone who suggests that delibrately targeting and killing civilians and accidentally killing civilians as part of a military action are morally equivilant needs their head examined.
Sharon and Arafat have both intentionally killed civillians. They both have no claim to moral high ground.
LK
I can't believe it. Something that actually makes sense coming from you. I may need to remove you from my foes list.
Sharon and Arafat have the blood of civillians on their hands. Neither of them is in a position to claim moral superiority over the other.
The Palestinians and the Israelis would be better served if they had different leaders.
The death of Rabin was the death of achieving peace in Israel within this generation. We can keep working to achieve that peace for the next generation.
LK
This is a dangerous distortion of the right to trial. The right to trial is not to give perverts a day in court, it is to tell the difference between the perverts and the falsely accused.
Until the trial, there is no way to tell them apart.
Shooting microwaves at a car believed to belong to a terrorist who is committing a crime because there is not time to intervene with less than deadly force, may be necessary.
You just hit the tail on the head, may be necessary. Deadly force is to be a last resort. If a box truck refuses to pull over for a police officer, then perhaps it would be acceptable to use deadly force.
LK
The original Mac OS and its last major update, Mac OS 9, have superficial changes, visually. As most Mac aficionados know, Mac OS 9 was a fast, strong OS.
Um, no. OS 9 was much slower tha 8.6, at the time OS 9 was introduced I was running a 200Mhz 603ev processor. 8.6 was still very responsive, when I tried 9.0, it felt like I was going back several generations in terms of speed. OS 9 may have been fast compared to the Rhapsody DR 1 that I got a hold of, but there is no F'ing way that it is faster than the previous mainstream Mac OSes.
LK
Anyone who advocates giving EVEY terrorist a trial is a misguided idealist.
Our constitution requires it. There is a difference between sniping someone before he can activate the switch on a bomb and in killing a known terrorist just because we can get away with it.
Everyone who can be brought to justice, should be brought to justice. In a court of law. Pure and simple.
I hate child molestors even more than terrorists, and those perverts should have their day in court with a fair trial.
LK
We need a Desktop Czar in the same vein as Linus is to the Kernel.
I respectfully disagree. Linux needs to keep the ability for programmers and users to choose which environment they prefer.
When you start forcing people to use and develop for, you'll end up with a situation like the one we face with MS. You don't have a real choice when it comes to a WM, or an API to program for, so what happens? Users and developers move in droves to Linux. Do you want to push people back to windows?
I say let the marketplace decide. Let KDE and Gnome live or die on their own merits. If enough people like both, let them both coexist. If not then the better WM will survive.
I prefer KDE, but it doesn't bother me if you prefer Gnome. We can both get the work done that we need to.
LK
It is, if you expect him/her to stay that way. Of course that couldn't be good for the advance of civilization :)
Something that I learned when I was selling computers, PCs and Macs is that most people don't care to learn about what is going on inside of their machines.
They're more concerned with the football game, or with Jr's parent teacher conference. No matter how much you and I wish it was different, you just can't make Joe Sixpack care about technology issues.
LK
Jail should not serve as 'punishment.' Jails should be there to keep dangerous poeple (muderers, rapists, etc.) away from us.
Fuck that. I am the son of a murder victim. I have many ex girlfriends who are rape survivors. Prison most definately should be a punishment for people like that.
Prison should first serve to keep people away from society, it's second function should be rehabilitation, and lastly it should be to punish.
The carrot and the stick are powerful motivators for behavior change. Maybe you shouldn't rape people, or you'll have to spend 20 hours a say in a 6x10 cell with no sunlight. Read as many books as you like, I hope you like to read, because you won't be watching HBO for the next 3-6 years.
I agree that someone who gets causght with weed shouldn't have to do time in prison, but what about heroin or crack dealers? They should be hehind bars. Pure and simple. If you hurt people, you have no business on the street.
LK
It's not like the inmates will want to talk to everybody about beeing raped. Just because your friends didn't hear about it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.
RMFP
Like I said, they all concede that it does happen, but not as often as people on the ouside think.
I'll take the word of men that I know personally who have collectively spent about 20 years in that environment over the word of "researchers" who have spent a few hours or days.
I know many men who served in Vietnam, I take their word over that of any author who wasn't there too.
LK