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The Worst Jobs in Science
unassimilatible writes "Popular Science is running a story on the most noxious jobs in science, including, fart-sniffer, barnyard masturbator, and prison-rape researcher, and my personal favorite, the pre-med student who ate, drank, and breathed the blood, urine and vomit of yellow-fever victims. So before you complain about your tech job, check out the list. Things could always be worse."
I find it interesting that #14 is "Astronaut," considering 1/3 of slashdot users grew up dreaming about that position.
A first post about barnyard masterbators that is ON TOPIC!
Some are silly, some are sick, some make you angry, and some just flat-out suck, and some of them sound fun
So, it's actually a list of all the science jobs...
but having to answer phones at verisign tomorrow is gonna blow.
My sister-in-law works with the US Dept. of Agriculture. Her job consists primarily of zapping fruitfly maggots/larva with everything from lasers to 5000w microwaves. She also boils them, crushes them, melts them with acids, dessicates them with silica flakes then blows them away with huge fans.. you name it. Anything that can be done to kill the little doofers, she does. In bulk. They're grown by the thousands just for the purpose of dying in nasty ways.
I think the whole point is to figure out ways to remove them from crops without damaging the crops or using pesticides. She likes her job, though. The only problem is that burning fruitfly maggots smell not entirely unlike barbecue or popcorn, so she invariably leaves the lab hungry...
End of lesson. You may press the button.
Barnyard masturbators, wow, perhaps the SCO execs DO have a future after all ! Thanks, I'll be here all night
2. SCO Unix Grep Boy
3. Microsoft DLL Librarian
4. Commander Taco's Perl Monkey
Feel free to add more...
"Eve of Destruction", it's not just for old hippies anymore...
I'm in my second year of college studying to become a stool-sample analyzer, but after reading the description of the job in this article, it certainly doesn't sound as exciting and glamorous as my high-school guidance counselor made it out to be...
Well, not me, but my old roommate was. He thought this type of job would help him get into med school (it didn't). His biggest complaint was people who turned in tightly-sealed (naturally) peanut-butter jars packed full of the stuff, which would (naturally) decompose producing gas, causing a literal shit-storm when opened. He only needed about a teaspoon-full to do the analysis.
[...]Post has devoted 50 years of his life to achieving this critical point, called breakeven, and it's still up to 20 years away--"and always will be," [...]
(Disclaimer: IANAS, please correct me if your know better) It's a little something called a normal career in science. How many lifetimes have and will be spent searching for a cure for cancer? There's a decent chance that many current theories in physics (such as string theory) may be wrong, and this will only be discovered after many lifetimes of lost work. How is this any different from many other types of scientific research or theory? Fusion research is not, presumably, just redoing the same experiment over and over with different variable values, it's (again, presumably) like any other type of research (even historical, economic, etc.), with new developments and theories, constantly changing and having nothing to do with farts, shit or 'milking' large, male land mammals, especially those named 'Tyrone' (RTFA, #8).
Lab mice.
..but she quit today. It was clinical research on athelete's foot... 10 hour days taking scrapings from people's diseased feet. I guess the boss was a psycho too.
:)
And she's such a princess.. I've seen her freak out after getting a little cat food on her hand.
postdoc should be #1. There are too many things just plain wrong with the system of postdocctoral training in the U.S. A noncomprehensive list follows:
1. Lack of representation. Let's face it, no matter how much lab chiefs (a.k.a. principal investigators, or P.I.s) try to spin the postdoc experience as "training", in reality postdocs are the _labor_ force that gets the actual bench work done. For other young professionals at equivalent level of training and education, postdocs are woefully compensated for their time and effort (although this has slightly improved recently due to increases in NIH fellowship level guidelines). For instance, M.D. fellows in biology research labs get paid significantly more than their Ph.D. counterparts for doing the same work in the lab.
2. Lack of job prospects and career counseling: postdocs are encouraged to spend time in lab to work, work, work. The "goal" is to find faculty positions at research institutions. People with other career goals (teaching positions at primarily undergrad institutions, industry, sales and management) are looked down upon. But in reality, there are hardly any academic positions available for the number of postdocs on the job market any given year. The mentality of the scientific field needs to change greatly to reflect the realities of the job market.
3. Do we reallly *NEED* all these P.I.s? I believe it is high time to reevaluate the P.I. postdoc grad student hierachy. In reality, most of the labor work in labs could be served much more efficiently if senior Ph.D. level scientists held non-tenure track positions as perrmanent staff instead of temporary postdocs. From talking with friends in the scientific field in various institutions around the U.S., some universities appear to be cautiously moving towards this trend. However, I feel that there needs to be a major momentum shift in this direction. The reality is, we don't NEED that many P.I.s with independent research projects running, and there is an overabundance of postdocs with graduate schools churning out more and more each year (grad students are another source of lab labor and grad school administrators are under constant pressure to recruit and support more and more students for the faculty to explo^H^H^H^H^H train). Research universities should realize that permanent staff scientists will work more efficiently in familiar surroundings and colleagues, and without the pressure of having to look for jobs in 3-4 years in an increasingly tight job market.
4. No clear definition of the mentor-postdoc relationship: basically, your mentor makes or breaks your career. About the only thing you can make complaints on your mentor is sexual harassment. In all other regards of your postdoc training, you are essentially at your P.I.'s mercy. If you have a personality clash with him/her, they can screw you big time. If you have a personality clash with someone else in the lab and they get along better with the P.I., you can get screwed big time. If your experimental results , even if they are indisputably correct, do not jive with their pet theories, they can decide not to publish your work, and you get screwed big time. Heck, they can turn out to be simply assholes, and you are screwed big time. The bottom line is, they answer to no one but their grant reviewers, who are not particularly concerned with postdoc welfare. While most departments have scientific advisory boards and undergo yearly reviews, those reviews are scientitfic in nature and do not really address personnel issues. It is my understanding in most professional fields (law, medicine, etc.) there are standards of behavior that are upheld by professional organizations (state bar, medical review board, etc.). There is no such accountability with regards to personnel, especially postdocs, in science.
blah, too tired to rant now.
NO CARRIER
That is, U.S. Stem Cell Researcher. I like that they threw that little bit of political commentary into the mix by highlighting the current abysmal state of stem cell research in the U.S., which was entirely caused by Bush.
Maybe one day someone will wake up and let us use more than one of the 11 existing viable cell lines. I hope so; I wouldn't want to get my Ph.D. to find that I won't be doing anything with it.
"It never got weird enough for me." - HST (RIP)
my sister-in-law actually was a barnyard ejaculator. there's more to that job than they mention. apparently, the other side of the equation, checking for pregnancies involves putting on an arm glove and shoving your entire arm up a cow's rectum. she had this nice circular bruise a couple inches below her shoulder for several days after that...
my personal worst job was a during a wonderful "research project" involving a lake. we needed to install some "anchors" at the bottom of the lake (metal sign posts with chains attached to them). The lake, actually was a recharge basin (the one pictured there), which was routinely drained and cleaned. First cautionary sign: Although they allow fishing, they allow no bodily contact, because the water is essentially treated wastewater, mixed with whatever surface runoff they can gather. They wouldn't let us dive in the water, for fear of our health.
So they drained the lake one week, and as such things go, they did NOT remove the fish. So now we have a "dry" lake with hundreds of dead fish at the bottom. And by dry, I mean a 2 foot thick layer of muck (and where do all the toxins in a slowly draining body of water go? that's right, down into the mud). So I have to walk down the side of the lake and along the lake bottom, through the fishes (which were somewhat plowed under by the earth movers), dragging a chain. Said chain had a hook attached to it with some bailing wire.
Luckily, it was a nice bright, warm southern california day (and the fish had had almost a week to really get nice and ripe). Several times my boots would get stuck in the mud from the suction and my feet would almost come out of them as I tried to extricate myself. Eventually I get to the spot and start reeling in the chain. When I get to the end of the, by now quite dirty, chain I brilliantly scratched my hand on the bailing wire. Wasn't too deep, but it did draw blood.
Just stood there for a while, thinking "well, that's it. i'm going to lose my arm, now. I wonder how long it takes for gangrene to really set in?" luckily a tetanus shot prevented anything major from happening.
If it pays 80k or more a year, I'll sign up to crank the wank. Though, I'm not sure I would want to add that to my resume' in the future.
Life is not for the lazy.
I have actually read Miklos Nyiszli's account of being sent to the concentration camp, being selected by Mengele as his assistant and the work that he did.
It involved a lot more than autopsies on the people experimented on. I think that the two worst parts of his job were
1: Selecting Jews with physical deformities, having them killed and then boiling off the meat from their bones so that their skeletons could be put into a museum to prove Ayrian superiority - all the while arranging that the emprisoned didn't eat the stew.
2: Doing the autopsies on the remains of the Zonderkommando that rebelled and who were taken into the woods and flamethrowered to death.
Cuiusvis hominis est errare; nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare.
Sorta falls under Post-Doc but not really.
Why Medical Resident you ask?
If you are thinking of becoming a doctor and can imagine yourself doing something else, do it. Frankly the lifestyle sucks for the 10 years until you finish med school + residency and for many specialties it still blows once you are done. I have enormous respect for doctors because they've earned every penny they make.
I think one of the worst jobs in science might be the people who have to code data for large scale human rights projects such as the on going work at the Sierra Leone Truth and Reconcilliation commission. Imagine that it's just like the prison rape researcher job, only not only are you constantly reading about rape, you also are faces with murder, child rape, mutilations, amputations, child soldiers, dissapearance, theft and torture (very very creative torture).
People who work on these projects enter a state where they become strongly sympathetic to what they are reading and begin to exhibit symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder.
That's assuming there are no photographic records to review (which is usually kept as far away from coders as possible).
Although helping to expose the truth about attrocities is rewarding, it's not a very good job.
I wish that some of the accounts offered by victims of prison-rape--particularly those that caused the students so much anxiety--were made public.
Maybe then we'd see less people here (and elsewhere) resorting to sick and degrading humor whenever the subject comes up.
And check out the pictogram they chose to accompany the prison-rape researcher entry in this story. It's a picture of Barney. I know they're using it as a way of depicting which of the jobs are associated with psychological torture, but, c'mon! Barney? Prison-rape? That's just soooo wrong.
Is this truly the only Earth I can live on?
I'm surprised the previous post of this story didn't make an impression on CoyboyNeal!
You could never make money off of masturbating barn yard animals before.
And why did you staple the trout to the RAM?
barnyard masturbator
I, uh, have a friend who does this for FREE. This, uh, friend would like to know where to send his resume...
Oh, they mean the animals? Oh okay, never mind.
I think the worst job has to be the poor webmaster that has to keep track of reposts of articles on his site. Not only boring, but apparently quite a challenge....
Job #4 on the list is "Slashdot Dupe Checker"
Was pulling lobsters out of Jane Mansfield's arse.
What are you listening to? (http://megamanic.blogetery.com/)
Once again, I will point out that the best thing about this article is the icons they use to denote the various levels of suckage.
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
I swear, there have been more dupes in the past few months. At least this one is 2 months old.
Is slashdot dupe story checker on the list?
Come on editors, who wouldn't remember a story about barnyard masturbators and fart sniffers?
pre-med student who ate, drank, and breathed the blood, urine and vomit of yellow-fever victims
:)
Medical students used to be willing to submit to multiple medical studies to get a "leg up" in the research world. Today, medical students usually willingly submit purely for financial reasons... these drug companies are willing to pay a lot of medicine.
In medical school I tested a certain blood pressure medicine... and it gave me a certain "standing at attention" side effect. I always wondered if that drug was a pre-market version of viagra.
Anyway, I got wood and $50 bucks out of it.
Davak
Where was this linked a month ago?
I Still Feel More Sorry for the Vibrator Repairmen out there :)
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Worst of all, I think working as a Microbiologist for Gallo Wines is the worst possible scientific job... I Actually know what goes into NightTrain now... Stuff is so foul they don't even do Microbe tests on it... they just fake the Results.
The Geek in Black
I know my BCD's (when I'm Sober)
Next time I complain about my job please remind me of this article.
But who in their right mind would do these jobs...
Didn't we already have this EXACT topic before?
that an article like this would have stuck out as something that would be hard to forget. Fart sniffing, etc...
9 /1 6/0146237&mode=thread&tid=133&tid=134&tid= 186
So why is this a couple months late?
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/0
Blake
... well now I've got just a little bit more...
Doing my PhD, there was a room in Biophysics with a bed in it that students went into every day and did a herman-munster-type walk out of at the end of the day... It wasn't my project but I do recall seeing them wired up and strapped down one day when the door was left open... I thought that was dodgy enough!
Simon.
Physicists get Hadrons!
Huh, I'm pretty sur that cmdrtaco's favorite job was barnyard masturbator. Hell if u volunteer for a job u must like it
...I have to wholeheartedly agree with their icon choice for "psychological torture." There are some things you can learn to block out - Barney is not one of them.
I'm hoping the bulls aren't getting excited by steers.
At first glance I did have the 'ewww!' reaction to quite a few of these. But think about it, a lot of these seem better than dealing with the frustrating bureaucracy most of us have to go through. I'd much rather count fish, or even clean a rotting carcass than have to deal with most of the stuff highlighted in office space. Of course if you have to deal with that 'and' the worst job scenarios...well, that would suck.
Everything will be taken away from you.
GO SUCK AN ASSBLISTER, you cock-smoking teabagger.
Yeah, those are some of the worst jobs in science. I'm sure there are just as many bad jobs in other fields, too.
I have a friend that breeds and shows dogs. She can't neuter them, because that would kill their future value. So when she takes a male dog to a dog show where it's exposed to unspayed female dogs in heat, she has to do the same duty as the barnyard masturbator to make sure the dog doesn't go hump anything. I was somewhat amused when she told me about this, but I'm glad I don't have to do it. (Docuporn title comes to mind: "Uncensored - Backstage at the Dog Show!")
I can imagine some years ago one of the worst jobs in tech (although people didn't necessarily know it) was running cabling through old asbestos-laden buildings. Not healthy at all.
I claim first use of "Error No. 0B" - or "No. 0B error." It'll be the new ID 10T!
This isn't a dupe. This is a challenge! Will version 2.0 be more funny, more insightful or even more underrated than the cream of the cream? Let's check it out!
It's good to see that the old alma mater is advancing the state of barnyard ejaculation science. It fills one with a peculiar kind of pride.
Yes, that job would really suck. The poor guy looks like he's really 'stretched to the max'!
I live in amsterdam and I reckon this guy should have got a mention...
Of course it's not a scientific job, but it still rates a mention.
This was a test, to see how many of you are so obsessed with prison-rape stories, that you would remember this was a dupe. Thank you for participating!
11. Slashdot dupe reader.
and I shall make a new frontend to slashdot. one that is screened by people who actually read slashdot content -- or at least the front page summary -- and hides dupes. a url matcher could also help. perhaps it could also generate a "dupe report card" for the article posters.
(I'd need some serious bandwidth, though.)
geez, come slashdot. perhaps you could give your "article preview subscribers" a big DUPE button to click to save yourself from embarrassment time and time again.
GET YOUR WEAPONS READY! --DR.LIGHT
... The best thing about being me is... there is so many me (on /.)
I think theres a bunch of new stuff there, I thought the list was a top 10 list before... Maybe they reposted it because those last 8 jobs are something new :P, it means the article is 45% new :D
So before you complain about your tech job, check out the list. Things could always be worse.
I am the pre-med student who ate, drank, and breathed the blood, urine and vomit of yellow-fever victims, you insensitive clod!
Oh... wait... wrong section. :-)
Testing radiation suits.
Testing bio-suits.
Testing beekeeper suits.
Testing smoked glass for eclipse-viewing safety.
Testing new flavors of Coke/Pepsi.
The coolest voice ever.
Hey CowboyNeal, you didn't get first post on that story. Sorry.
He did his Phd on the salami they made,
back in the late 1970s. They paid, my
dad did research, and I got to eat lots
of salami.
'nuf said.
+--------------------- You idiot! I told you we were facing the wrong way!
So much for getting away from TV with Slashdot; we've reruns here, too. ;b
Bít, zabít, jen proto, ze su liska!
I bet worst job on /. is with one who has to post duplicates to site and then get flamed.
And the #1 worst job is... Slashdot dup screener!
That wouldn't be a two month old slashdot story, would it?
Your pizza just the way you ought to have it.
How is it that every one of the icons in the Icon-O-Graph apply to my job/workplace and yet my job has nothing to do with science?
16 minutes to notice a dupe has to be a new record!
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
It's important to have a job that makes a difference, boys. That's why I manually masturbate caged animals for artificial insemination.
What about MEEPT?!?!
Because every day, thousands of people see how badly you do your job.
~ Give me 101 plastic soldiers, and I will conquer the world.
News for the amnesiac. Stuff that mattered.
I have a good friend that has a masters degree in Science. He has worked for various drug companies, and some airlines (confirming that the in-flight meals are risk free). He reluctantly discovered that he could take a 3 month MCSE course and make twice what he could make actualy doing something important. Hence, he is working in IT, but is quite talented, and would like to return to Science as a career. Even his job wasn't "the worst job in science" as described in the article, but he does something he doesn't particlularly like because it pays well.. He also supports a few linux servers, but mostly it's MS. His heart is in Science, and he is good at it. Perhaps these guys deserve a bit more..
-- -- Warning. Do not stare directly at the sun.
dupe!
Error 666 - SCO source has been found in your Linux kernel. Please remove it.
Formerly kdsolutions
I suppose the worst job would be the dorks posting those sick comments...
;-)
but not as bad as the losers who try to post 1st...
Democracy Now! - uncensored, anti-establishment news
I think one of the worst jobs in science might be the people who have to code data for large scale human rights projects such as the on going work at the Sierra Leone Truth and Reconcilliation commission. Imagine that it's just like the prison rape researcher job, only not only are you constantly reading about rape, you also are faces with murder, child rape, mutilations, amputations, child soldiers, dissapearance, theft and torture (very very creative torture).
People who work on these projects enter a state where they become strongly sympathetic to what they are reading and begin to exhibit symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder.
That's assuming there are no photographic records to review (which is usually kept as far away from coders as possible).
Although helping to expose the truth about attrocities is rewarding, it's not a very good job.
Cowboy Neal reads the old editions of Popular Science at the barber shop. Not playboy!
you would call all of these jobs personal assistant positions.
"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste." - Rahm Emanuel
how hard would it be to include a dupe check in the slashcode? Come on guys get cracking!
Slashdot duplicate post checker.
Fred
"A fool and his freedom are soon parted"
-RMS
at least they HAVE jobs.
Worst Jobs in Science.. Prison Rape. Yeah, I can see that mental leap. Sure.
People on here are really screwed.
BTW, this is a DUPE.
that is the worst "tech" job you can have!
NoSuchGuy
Grundgesetz * 23. Mai 1949 - 30. November 2007 - http://www.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de/
Ever been to California? On your third conviction you get a mandatory 10 years, whether it is for murder or stealing a candy bar from the gas station.
All of that sound effect using H's, G's and U's on jerkcity is supposed to be them taking bonghits.
Dick-sucking should have S's and P's
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
Pixel-width based tables makes lines only 4 words long at higher resolution & readable font sizes
I was going to comment, but you beat me to it.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
Things could always be worse.
I guess. Unless you're the prison rape researcher or the person eating, breathing, and drinking the blood, urine, and vomit of the yellow fever victims. How does it get worse from there? Waking up the next morning?
Thats a great idea! (despite the potential for copyright infringement- better send a letter to their lawyers...)
In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
I read this quite a while ago in Popular Science. It's a pretty interesting article though.
A similar article was already posted on /. earlier and it was also an article from pop-sci...wtf?
Editing slashdot is clearly the worse job imagineable. REPOST
I think they do it on purpose
------ Work is so much easier when you don't
About 18 years later, my grandfather died of leukemia. My grandmother said that during his last day, the effects appears very rapidly, and that he turned completely black as he died. Only warning was that he seemed cold all the time for the few months before his violent death. It was his job to view the bomb going off, and most likely the leukemia was brought on by exposure to radiaion. During the actual blast, they were in the block-house, but allowed out with thick goggles to view the bomb's aftermath. He was a civilian employee, not in the military. Location, New Mexico. I do have a Signal Corp photograph of the cloud made by the bomb going off, and a 78-rpm record of my grandfather's reactions right after the explosion. He sounded frightened and upset. He probably had not seen anything that horrible before. I had asked to go along on the trip to see the bomb go off, but he turned me down without hesitation, having been briefed on just what was in store for him.
Rude... All i see is a white box with "Click Here"
meh.
The worst job in science: Slashdot dupe detector. :)
...I'm sure that I wouldn't mind Osama being ass raped if he ever gets caught.
Give me a break. Check my posting history.
Moderators are the ones taking bonghits around here tonight.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
Lab HR: "you jerk off animals all day"
Applicant: "oh God!"
Applicant: "erm, what's the money?"
Lab HR: "$10,000 a year"
Applicant: "Ok, I'll do it...
but you'll have to give me time to raise the $10,000"
-he who laughs last, is a bit slow.
journal
this is one of them
It was reported today that Cowboy Neal finally started reading Slashdot himself. This is in an effort to cut down on duplicate articles. Film at 11. And again at 11:30 and midnight.
I want a new quote. One that won't spill. One that don't cost too much. Or come in a pill.
You rememeber #7 on the list, the "Fistula Feeder?" Well, at the University of Illinois in Urbana, IL there is an annual open house at the department of agriculture where people pay to do this!
Visitors to the Ag Open House get in line -- the lines get to be really long -- to put on a glove, and take some hay out of the cow's stomache. The cows just keep eating.
Who says this isn't fun?
Denn wir sind wie Baumstaemme im Schnee. Scheinbar liegen sei glatt auf, mit kleinem anstoss sollte man sie wegschieben
that allowing or condoning prison-rape only reinforces the might-makes-right, sociopathic behavior of violent criminals. Essentially, the bigger, stronger, more antisocial and more violent a criminal is in prison, the more status that person has in the strata of prison life. Quite a lesson for those who will be released from maximum-security prisons, as most inmates eventually will be, maybe into your neighborhood.
I've seen studies in some prisons that show that increased monitoring and enforcement of pro-social behavior not only makes for better parolees, but actually makes the incarceration of the baddest of the bad more miserable. In other words, in a world where the wolves are forced to act like humans, they are most unhappy.
And yes, the people being prison-raped are not the people who, in the words of the parent poster, "deserve it."
I am far from some lefty, as my previous posts will attest. But I think capital punishment, with proper due process, done in a humane way, is a lot more civilized that condoning rape of inmates.
A modern, civilized society should not condone such behavior. Certainly not by people who profess to believe in the Constitution.
Slashdot "libertarians": Small government for me, big government for those I disagree with. -1, I disagree with you
I used to work at a drive-in theater. My job was to walk around picking up used condoms to be sold at the concession stand to queers as chewing gum.
That is a dangerous assumption. There have been a number of cases of so called voluntary confessions which turned out to be (usually police-)induced false confessions; this makes one wonder how many cases of false confessions were never revealed to be so. One example is discussed here. Also see here for more pointers.
"Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
No, I didn't deserve to get modded down at all. I have accounts that I troll with for just that purpose. If people would read before they click...
Have to ram into their fucking skulls... grumble grumble.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
if only it were
People seem to be going ape-shit with this 3-strikes thing and whether it is real or not. I'm not going to take sides here but I am going to post a google link to an LA Times article about "3 Strikes". I hope this information will help the others in this thread debate a little more rationally.
GMD
watch this
Too bad someone didn't already post this before
.1) Grab your story from one of the slashdot entries posted today 2) Wait for a month 3) Post it again and make sure it's moderated by cowboy neal 4) Profit ???
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Have you watched the HBO series OZ? It's just fiction but gives a chilling look into prison life. After watching it you just have to wonder if some of that stuff REALLY goes on in some prisons. From the sound of her research it may be even worse.
It's so interesting how people long for vengeance... It really does seem to be quite a common human desire. I myself often desire vengeance against those I feel have wronged me.
Is it always advantageous, though? Does ass rape of prisoners really make them less likely to commit crimes in the future? Maybe, it makes them think I don't want to go back to prison again. Maybe it just makes them really fucking pissed off and crazy. A lot of research suggests that those who are victims of sexual abuse become abusers.
In any case, as a society, the most important goal of our punitary system is to prevent crime and especially to prevent serious crime. Now, prison rape is a crime and it is being ignored. Even if you think that we should only be protecting the innocent, we have to ask ourselves if it is really so great that we have the largest prison population in the world? Not all of the people in prison are career criminals. Some were just in a tight spot and needed a fast buck. Others are drug users. Others are even innocent of anything, but one thing is true of all of them. They are all in contact with brutal, violent criminals on a daily basis. Most will have problems finding a job when the are released. Many will have learned a lot about being a criminal in prison.
My point is this: vengeance is not necessarily helpful. People in prison should be learning some job skills other than being criminals, 'cause if they don't then they're going to be criminals when they get out. Ass Rape is probably not helpful either. I can't imagine that that experience would help make prisoners more calm productive members of society. If anyone can explain how it would, please do.
http://yetanotherpoliticalrant.blogspot.com
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/1 6/0146237&mode=thread&tid=133&tid=134&tid= 186
From Sept 15
I personally would love to work at inseminating mares. I wouldn't even mind collecting semen from stallions for that too!
I remember that story, but I believe it was titled, "CEO of SCO boasts of his leisure activities"
"Worst job evar"
(weeeeeee....so thats the sound karma makes as it tumbles)
I am NaN
And why is that? Because our wonderfully accurate intelligence has pegged him as the mastermind behind 9/11? No, how about the dozens of times he has personally admitted to planning terrorist activities and funding al Qaeda? Who needs suspect intelligence when you have a confession? Good luck finding someone to rape him -- even prison rapists have standards.
Ironically, the word ironically is often used incorrectly.
I was at Sea World once and I was walking by the Killer Whale pool. There were some trainers feeding and apparently taking blood samples of Shamu and co.
When we saw the show they had played a video on the jumbotron about the program at Sea World and how they've bread more orca than anybody else. They mentioned that every calf was artificially inseminated.
Of course, this begs the obvious question... Where does the, er, sperm com from?
As I was just about the ask one of the trainers, she made a signal to a whale that I gues meant "hey, baby" because the huge male floated on his side and, well, showed his manhood.
The trainer pulled out a padded, 6-inch PVC pipe with handles and proceeded to service the beast. When she was done, she gave the animal a big handful of fish as a "reward". I really wonder how much training they have to go through before the males respond.
I'd rather have someone respond than be modded up.
Stop Prison Rape. Statistics, stories.
What is music when you despise all sound?
[the warden] said, "This happens everyday, learn to deal with it. It's no big deal."
survivor accounts...
From the stopping prisoner rape webpage...
Sad stuff, there used to be more, but it isn't there now.
50% Pointing out this is a dupe 35% Talking about horrible jobs 15% Trolls.
Dupes, Dupes, Dupes, Dupes
Everybody loves dupes
etc...
Burma?
Yeah, people should be able to commit at least 10 or 15 serious crimes before we even begin to consider harsher sentences.
compared to being a jizzmopper(which i am not one) but come on its one thing to sniff shit and totally another to clean up another man's load... this is not a troll but the truth
Fish counter sounded like a pretty cool job. It would be a way to prove myself as an absolute slacker. "What do you do for a living?" "Well, for the moment I've got this job as a fish counter. That's just so I can pay the bills, though. I mostly just slack off."
Anybody know where I would apply for a job like that? (I searched Google for "Fish Counter" and some similar stuff, but I pretty much just got fishing links.)
I rarely log in anymore, but an old friend I haven't seen in twenty years is in on 3 strikes. I thought it worthwhile to login to pull this out of the noise.
His offenses were stacked and escalated as described in the LA Times article.
One attempted robbery at 17, 25 years ago.
One knifing during a drug deal gone bad (a couple ounces of pot he was "buying" when the "dealer" pulled a knife on him. The "dealer" ended up with the knife *in* him). About 20 years ago.
Two escapes from fire camps/low risk inmate carcerations. About 25 and 17 years ago. He spent a few years in prison for that at each occurance.
One attempt to flee prosecution by crossing state lines. about 20 years ago.
And the one that nailed him: Attempting to cash a stolen check, two-party signed to him from a customer to his place of business (independent tatoo artist). About 6 years ago.
Six years in prison and his first parole hearing will be in 2012.
Okay, he's not exactly the greatest guy. He uses people. He tends to want his way or get very pissed. If you are on his bad side, he will attempt to dominate you psychologically, and if you try fighting him he will dominate you physically.
OTOH, he is a skilled artist, and would never, ever let down (or not be there for) a friend in need.
What's right, what's wrong? I think he will get out early. He suspected the check he was paid with was bad (stolen) but went ahead with trying to cash it. He should not have to spend 15 years in prison for that.
He is in isolation after successfully beating a would-be rapist to a pulp. He is marked for death by the rape gangs should he be released back into the general prison population.
The prison intends to keep him in his private cell until 2012, I think he gets 1 hour outdoors a day.
Treatment, not tyranny. End the drug war and free our American POWs.
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that is so hilarious and insightful.
It's accepted among people who don't know what they're talking about. There is actually no data that suggests that child molesters were molested as children. It makes a nice defense, though, huh?
Your comment about rehabilitation is also wrong There are some offenders who respond well to therapy, and others who do not.
Maybe you should go read a book, and spare us your ignorance.
Talk about a cheap date! A few cents worth of electricity and come Sunday morning, you'll have the same mixed feeling of satisfaction, amnesia, and mild nausea that tells you that you had a *really excellent* Saturday night. Shame you couldn't get her phone number. ;)
Well, there's a bright side to this. At least the animals go to the slaughterhouse with a smile on their faces.
Fucking cretinous moderators.
"After changing diapers for ten years, a little horse urine didn't seem so frightening" he says. "Easy work, warm summer afternoons in the open, all the tips I could use on the races -- that was one fine job."
Unfortunately he had to give up the job, partly due to scheduling conflicts, partly due to family pressure.
I've found that my posts don't format quite right w/o a sig.
how they've bread more orca than anybody
I have this mental image of a whale breaded and deep fried. Sorry. I'll get me coat
Your 'friend' deserves every minute of prison time he gets. The world would be a much better place without parasites like this. I have more respect for some murderers than I do for this guy. People like him are the exact reason the 3 strikes law was invented. He is clearly someone who has no self control and, given a chance to commit another crime, he will. Granted, there are worse people in the world but society would benefit greatly by having him locked up.
I remember seeing this before.
if reading accounts of prisoners' rape incident is considered awful an awful experience, how about experience of the victims themselves who endure the real horror of the incident.
likewise, anyone who's ever had a diarrhea and the intense discomfort of it will appreciate that those who analyze stool samples, albeit it doesn't seem a glamorous job, are doing valuable work.
I don't think such jobs are awful; they probably are full of opportunities for job satisfaction. At least in knowing that you're doing something that might help others. It's way better than being a tech worker slaving to enrich some capitalists.
Steve Jobs:
The guy is simply a moron. He works in the computer science field. I can't possibly think of a more annoying and pretentious Jobs than Steve Jobs.
Total 100% loser.
It isn't Slashdot if it doesn't have dupes, eh? :)
Cheers...
The actual text is 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you', or at least something very similar, not 'do unto others as they do unto you'.
The first means treat people the way you would like them to treat you. The second means treat people the same way they treat you. Completely different.
The first one is a good code to live by, but I think you meant the second one.
Nice job.
"The Department of Otolaryngology is [...] examining the effects of human semen on speech"
"Barnyard masturbator" sounded like the job I've been dreaming of all my life until I read the article...
"The best job in science? We nominate the pig."
Hmm...the next time an attractive woman calls you a pig, she may actually be hitting on you...
Our rehabilitation system thinks it's pretty clever by not performing the abuse themselves but turning a blind eye when prisoners do it to each other.
For liability purposes, it is the ocean that will kill you, not us.
Sorry, but that story is really old.
Here is a story about the appeal to the US Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court decision was as close and conflict-ridden as nine justices can get: 5 to 4 against Andrade and upholding the three strikes law.
Three strikes is really evil, and needs to be repealed. It's a lot like the rockafeller law in New York.
It also still amazes me that we are the only democracy that executes kids. In fact we join only Iran, Nigeria, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen in the practice.
Manipulative, violent, dominating, thrill-seeking, risk-taking, doesn't understand or respect society's rules...
Sounds like this PSYCHOPATH is exactly where he belongs. And exactly where I'd like him to stay.
T&K.
Political language
I think the worst job in science was the nerve gas tester of World War II.
In World War II, scientist inventing new types of nerve gas had to test the gas on humans. Since you could never ask for volunteers, they tested it (in sub-lethal doses) on themselves.
They would calculate the dosages (talk about having to get your math right), stand in a gas chamber and breath the nerve gas. They would then report on the effects. One scientist was temporarily (though he didn't know it at the time) blinded for 10 days.
Tell me someone out there would want to switch jobs with these guys.
Byteherder
it's a dupe
George II -- Spreading Freedom and American values, one bomb at a time.
I suggest Agent Smith.
Agent Smith: Why, /.Reader? Why do you complain about the dupes it? Why get up? Why keep posting? Do you believe you're posting for something? For more that your survival? Can you tell me what it is? Do you even know? Is it freedom? Or truth? Perhaps peace? Yes? No? Could it be for love? Illusions, Reader, vagaries of perception. The temporary abstracts of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence of a dupe that is without meaning or purpose. And all of them as artificial as the /. itself, although only a human mind could invent something as insipid as love. You must be able to see it, Reader. You must know it by now. You can't win. It's pointless to keep posting. Why, Reader? Why? Why do you persist?
"There is no teacher but the enemy."-Mazer Rackham
It's Luke 6:31, and I know what it says. And what it says is not what I was saying in the least. I thought context would make that clear, but apparently not.
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that would be the felonious georgewellian fuddite corepirate nazi southern baptist freemason softwar gangster payper liesense ?pr? ?firm? hypenosys scriptdead stock markup execrable FraUDsters.
better a snow job than no job?
there's never been a better time to investigate the creators' newclear power, & planet/population rescue initiatives.
this stuff is unbreakable, wwworks on several (more than 3) dimensions, & there's never a liesense feechurn/cover charge to restrict yOUR progress.
the daze of the greed/fear/ego based felonious payper liesense ?pr? ?firm? hypenosys stock markup fraud execrable, is WANing into coolapps/the abyss, at the (increasing) speed of right.
talk about pressure? those fauxking foulcurrs on wall street of deceit/capitollist hill, are having a whoreabull time attempting to hide the news (buy use of phonIE scriptdead ?pr? ?firm? hypenosys) of their felonious payper liesense billyonerrors' latest softwar gangster hostage taking attempts, &/or the adolescent dictator megalomania of the georgewellian fuddites/walking dead perpetraitors of the greed/fear/ego based life0cide against humankind.
there's a real risk of overheating (peacing off) the main processor. you don't want that?
for each of the creators' innocents harmed, there is a badtoll that must/will be repaid by you/US, as the aforementioned walking dead will not be available to make reparations, when the big flash occurs.
the lights are coming up now. consultations are in order. you know where to look/who to trust? see you there? tell 'em robbIE?
I hope that when the aliens visit, and take people away for captive breeding research, that I am chosen.
these people deserve some of their own medicine.
Maybe.
Two things, though.
One, when these prisoners get out of the joint, they'll be dishing out some of that same medicine to society at large. Not good.
Two, if you profile the childhood development of prison inmates, they were at the receiving end of that same kind of medicine, unqualified parenting, basically.
I know, the unwritten right to be a parent to extreme limits of disqualification is considered sacred by people that don't want the government's nose in their business, period.
But it's pretty clear to me that interdiction between parents and children of this "medicine" is one of the few solutions available to stop the cycle.
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