The group that I belong to, the WPNGG, meets at a local municipal building. They have a large room for community activities, and they don't have a problem with us using the place as long as we don't wreck the place and clean up when we're done. We got the senior citizens group to allow us to use their tables by agreeing to fix all of their old broken ones.
As far as fun raising, we collect $3.00 from each attending member per meeting. $3.00 every 3 weeks doesn't break the bank. When attendance is high, we can clear a lot of money to spend of switches, network cables, and whatnot.
I don't know how things are up in Canada, but municipal buildings are usually good places to hold such meetings. Local governments like the image that it projects to have computer user groups in their facilities. Just be ready to do minor favors for them in return, a few WPNGG members agreed to look over some old PS1s and whatnot that the Borough of Trafford had amassed.
Your subsequent patent description violates a pre-existing patent that I have pending. Untill you agree to pay my license fee, you are hereby ordered to C&D making any and all references to my intellectual property.
Everyone who *might* buy another copy of their product who ends up not doing so is stealing from them.
About 6 years ago I talked to this guy who used to run a small computer shop and he didn't sell naked machines. I think his motive was greed. I ended up not buying any machines from him because I had a perfectly good copy of DOS that I could use legally.
Powdered Cocaine to be mixed with the appropriate (secret) amounts of baking soda and water and cured at high heat to form a crumbly cake-like substance that can be cut into small cubes. This substance is to be used by placing into a glass pipe and smoked with the use of either a butane lighter, propane torch, or similar flame making instrument.
Yes, I have patented making and smoking crack. That's what some of these executives must be doing to apply for these patents.
Prohibition didn't work because a VAST majority of americans were against it. When 2/3 of American adults like to do something, it's idiotic to try to make it illegal.
Joe Sixpack and Vinny Bagadonuts doesn't care about DMCA, freedom or anything like that. As long as the football game will be broadcast on time they're happy. I have no idea how we can do it, but we have to make more people see the DMCA as personally offensive and intrusive.
They've put a lot of thought into this system. A million years or so ago I was sysop of a BBS. You had to prevent people from doing nothing but leeching or they'd tie up your phone lines and prevent other people from positively affecting your board. So Ratios had to be in place. You had to give people a default number of credits or they'd never stick around long enough to contribute. However, if you gave too many away, people
d just d/l your best stuff and disappear. You had to make things convienent for people who wanted to contribute, and inconcienent for those who wanted to leech. The concept of Mojo is a great step in that direction.
You give a little, you get to take a little. You give a lot, you get to take a lot. Rinse. Repeat.
LK
Open mouth, insert foot, shoot self in foot, die.
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Napster's popularity is due to the fact that it provides a level of pseudo anonymity. If you have to pay for the service, you'll be easily trackable. The people who are actually committing infringement are not going to pay. People who are downloading the truly free music most likely aren't sufficiently numerous to cover the opersting expenses of a company like Napster.
4 years ago I played my first linked PSX game. Wipeout, I was hooked. I loved that game, but night has nearly fallen over the day of the console, let is go in peace.
If prosecuters can provide a reasonable argument that these these people helped provide criminals with usually hard to get information and provoked them into illegal acts, they're going to go on trial for murder too.
Just can't stand the idea of someone holding a different opinion than yours huh?
Where do you draw the line. Is an action intimidation simply because someone feels intimidated? How long will it be until something that you feel strongly about will be politically unpopular. When will protest pages on the internet that list e-mail addresses be called incitement to mail bomb?
Intimidation is one of the biggest inhibiators of speech!
Being afraid of shame isn't the problem of whoever is exposing the sameful things that you do. Over the course of my life, I've done many things that I'd prefer that people not know about. However, if someone gets the goods on me and chooses to tell all of those things, it's not intimidation regardless of how I feel about it.
Governmental and corporate influence is a far bigger threat to free speech than a list of names.
Humans are violent creatures. Anyone who doubts that can leave now and get a job in a burger joint (if you're lucky).
Thanks you for getting it. I've been telling people this for years. Everything about us indicates that a part of what we're here for is to inflict and sustain damage from violent acts. Agression is a part of what we are. Many of us work out that agression in positive ways such as going running or getting a good work out others get that release through creative expression, like you pointed out, and those who can't find a positive way to get rid of that agression and anger do it through violence.
Sadly, this entire issue boils down to a familiar theme, and it has nothing to do with the First Amendment: it's discrimination.
Reminds me of a scolding that I got from my asshole step father when I was a kid. He said "You think that 'freedom of speech' means that you get to say whatever you want, whenever you want to." as if that were NOT the correct interpretation of the concept.
The educational system in this country isn't just in place to educate children, it's to indoctrinate them. It's to get them used to the idea that arbitrary authority is always right, and even if the rules don't make sense, they're still the rules. Here in Pittsburgh for example, a school district got a new Principal and an existing rule was re-interpretted and forbade the wearing of white tee shirts. Somewhere near 50 kids were suspended for wearing such shirts. Some dimwits around here were calling local talk shows complaining about how kids have no respect for authority anymore. Stupid rules shouldn't be there, and people who are unable to think for themselves are at the mercy of those whom they allow to think for them.
Either you trust the FBI or you don't, but stop being hypocritical in what you complain about.
It takes time and effort to tap a phone line. It takes time and effort to bug a house. It takes a court order for them as well. Without knowing what makes Carnivore tick we have no guarantee that it's ONLY doing what the FBI says it's doing.
And NO, I don't trust the FBI. FBI agents have destroyed or "lost" evidence, FBI agents have shot unarmed women, anf FBI agents have helped to cover the misdeeds of others. I have no good reason to trust any of them.
So if Usama Bin Laden crosses the border at Niagara Falls, NY (lax border, for the most part), the FBI/CIA/whomever CANNOT place a wiretap on his hotel phone without a legal warrant to do so.
Good! That's how it's supposed to be. Just because someone accusation was repeated on CNN doesn't make it true. A judge must issue a warrant before things like that are done to prevent abuses. Sure, more criminals would be caught, but at what price? Living safely under the thumb of an oppressive government is worse than living in unsafe freedom.
I still think that a review of Carnivore is a good idea, but if looking at it's algorithms yielded information as to how to thwart it's capabilities, should that kind of information be out in the public?
Crypto? Stego? That's a non issue. People with something to hide WILL hide it, Carnivore is about snooping on peaceable people. A highly organized terrorist group will have access to public key crypto or one time pads. Less importantly, if the program is open sourced, more eyes will be looking at the algorithms, any weaknesses/workarounds can be easily fixed.
Would you be happy if, in the aforementioned scenario where your loved one is in danger, the criminals knew how to thwart the system, rendering the FBI's protection of your family useless?
I think you've jusr brought up a red herreng. Sure, I don't want anything bad to happen to my grandma, but I don't want people's rights trampled because at some point some unknown threat might be dangerous to her. If such a system were to be put into place, would we be able to sue the FBI if they fail to prevent a crime that they should have known about? Of course not! Law enforcement officers have no obligation to protect any one of us.
i don't care much about abortion, as a single male it's not currently an issue i have any vested interest in one way or another.
You have the right to feel or not feel anyway that you want to about any issue, but please don't try to hang it on being a single male. I too am a single male, and I care deeply about the issue.
Even if fanatical anti-abortion xtians think abortionists should die
Several points here. Point #1. Not all of us are christians in the anti-abortion movement. I'm a neo-pagan.
Point #2 Those who advocate violence are not doing so to be punitive, if they were Norma McCorvey (Jane Roe) would be dead, they believe that violence is justified when one is defending the life of a child. I don't think that anyone would dispute that deadly force would have been justified to take out the guy who was shooting kids in that school yard in Stockton CA. They abortion the same way.
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Does any one believe we'd have the internet if Regan and his buddies were still running the show? I think not.
Then you're a fool. The internet existed before Reagan took the office of President.
Be afraid folks, Bush Jr. will take away all the fun we've enjoyed in the past 8 years. How long before we need a license to run a website?
How long before will we need a license to exersize a constitutionally protected right if Gore wins?
Bush has already stated "There should be limits to free speech" over a gag website of him. His intentions seem pretty clear to me.
ALGORE'S boss had a woman arrested for saying "You Suck" to him.
LK
Responsible gun owners keep them out of the reach of children, but the US government doesn't have the authority to require that.
If they can regulate a right, they can remove it.
The group that I belong to, the WPNGG, meets at a local municipal building. They have a large room for community activities, and they don't have a problem with us using the place as long as we don't wreck the place and clean up when we're done. We got the senior citizens group to allow us to use their tables by agreeing to fix all of their old broken ones.
As far as fun raising, we collect $3.00 from each attending member per meeting. $3.00 every 3 weeks doesn't break the bank. When attendance is high, we can clear a lot of money to spend of switches, network cables, and whatnot.
I don't know how things are up in Canada, but municipal buildings are usually good places to hold such meetings. Local governments like the image that it projects to have computer user groups in their facilities. Just be ready to do minor favors for them in return, a few WPNGG members agreed to look over some old PS1s and whatnot that the Borough of Trafford had amassed.
LK
Your subsequent patent description violates a pre-existing patent that I have pending. Untill you agree to pay my license fee, you are hereby ordered to C&D making any and all references to my intellectual property.
LK
Though it's been years, I used to get treated well by my local crack dealers.
They liked having me around because at the time I was fairly intimidating.
Everyone who *might* buy another copy of their product who ends up not doing so is stealing from them.
About 6 years ago I talked to this guy who used to run a small computer shop and he didn't sell naked machines. I think his motive was greed. I ended up not buying any machines from him because I had a perfectly good copy of DOS that I could use legally.
LK
Powdered Cocaine to be mixed with the appropriate (secret) amounts of baking soda and water and cured at high heat to form a crumbly cake-like substance that can be cut into small cubes. This substance is to be used by placing into a glass pipe and smoked with the use of either a butane lighter, propane torch, or similar flame making instrument.
Yes, I have patented making and smoking crack. That's what some of these executives must be doing to apply for these patents.
LK
By then it'll be too late.
Prohibition didn't work because a VAST majority of americans were against it. When 2/3 of American adults like to do something, it's idiotic to try to make it illegal.
Joe Sixpack and Vinny Bagadonuts doesn't care about DMCA, freedom or anything like that. As long as the football game will be broadcast on time they're happy. I have no idea how we can do it, but we have to make more people see the DMCA as personally offensive and intrusive.
LK
They've put a lot of thought into this system. A million years or so ago I was sysop of a BBS. You had to prevent people from doing nothing but leeching or they'd tie up your phone lines and prevent other people from positively affecting your board. So Ratios had to be in place. You had to give people a default number of credits or they'd never stick around long enough to contribute. However, if you gave too many away, people
d just d/l your best stuff and disappear. You had to make things convienent for people who wanted to contribute, and inconcienent for those who wanted to leech. The concept of Mojo is a great step in that direction.
You give a little, you get to take a little. You give a lot, you get to take a lot. Rinse. Repeat.
LK
Napster's popularity is due to the fact that it provides a level of pseudo anonymity. If you have to pay for the service, you'll be easily trackable. The people who are actually committing infringement are not going to pay. People who are downloading the truly free music most likely aren't sufficiently numerous to cover the opersting expenses of a company like Napster.
I was one of those mac owners. I remember buying marathon and installing the 4 floppys. It still wasn't as huge a leap forward as quake was.
Single player Marathon was second to none in its day, but the extensability of Quake made it the king of multi player.
LK
The consumer 3d accelerator market was born because of Quake. I'm not talking about SGI or UN*X workstations, I'm talking about home PCs.
How many people had home networks prior to Quake and it's progeny?
How many clones and genuine improvements have there been to the gameplay model that was first put forth in quake?
On discovery or something. I don't remember too many details, I just remember that it used lasers to solidify liquid polymer goop.
LK
4 years ago I played my first linked PSX game. Wipeout, I was hooked. I loved that game, but night has nearly fallen over the day of the console, let is go in peace.
LK
Quake.
That one word changed the video game market forever. Where did it begin? The PC.
From setting new multiplayer standards to giving the infrastructure for the 3d hardware accelerator market to be built upon.
LK
Console systems were only good when most people couldn't afford a computer. $100-200 for a console was better than $3000-$4000 for a computer.
Now that we've got sub $1000 PCs, I don't see the point in spending so much money for an obviously limited console.
LK
If prosecuters can provide a reasonable argument that these these people helped provide criminals with usually hard to get information and provoked them into illegal acts, they're going to go on trial for murder too.
Just can't stand the idea of someone holding a different opinion than yours huh?
LK
Through this form of intimidation,
Where do you draw the line. Is an action intimidation simply because someone feels intimidated? How long will it be until something that you feel strongly about will be politically unpopular. When will protest pages on the internet that list e-mail addresses be called incitement to mail bomb?
Intimidation is one of the biggest inhibiators of speech!
Being afraid of shame isn't the problem of whoever is exposing the sameful things that you do. Over the course of my life, I've done many things that I'd prefer that people not know about. However, if someone gets the goods on me and chooses to tell all of those things, it's not intimidation regardless of how I feel about it.
Governmental and corporate influence is a far bigger threat to free speech than a list of names.
LK
Humans are violent creatures. Anyone who doubts that can leave now and get a job in a burger joint (if you're lucky).
Thanks you for getting it. I've been telling people this for years. Everything about us indicates that a part of what we're here for is to inflict and sustain damage from violent acts. Agression is a part of what we are. Many of us work out that agression in positive ways such as going running or getting a good work out others get that release through creative expression, like you pointed out, and those who can't find a positive way to get rid of that agression and anger do it through violence.
Sadly, this entire issue boils down to a familiar theme, and it has nothing to do with the First Amendment: it's discrimination.
Reminds me of a scolding that I got from my asshole step father when I was a kid. He said "You think that 'freedom of speech' means that you get to say whatever you want, whenever you want to." as if that were NOT the correct interpretation of the concept.
The educational system in this country isn't just in place to educate children, it's to indoctrinate them. It's to get them used to the idea that arbitrary authority is always right, and even if the rules don't make sense, they're still the rules. Here in Pittsburgh for example, a school district got a new Principal and an existing rule was re-interpretted and forbade the wearing of white tee shirts. Somewhere near 50 kids were suspended for wearing such shirts. Some dimwits around here were calling local talk shows complaining about how kids have no respect for authority anymore. Stupid rules shouldn't be there, and people who are unable to think for themselves are at the mercy of those whom they allow to think for them.
LK
Anyone got good sniping skills?
I do, but since it's Taco and Hemos and not Katz, I'll be staying at home.
LK
If someone released such a beast, I'd rip two nipple sized holes in my shirt from the excitement.
Either you trust the FBI or you don't, but stop being hypocritical in what you complain about.
It takes time and effort to tap a phone line. It takes time and effort to bug a house. It takes a court order for them as well. Without knowing what makes Carnivore tick we have no guarantee that it's ONLY doing what the FBI says it's doing.
And NO, I don't trust the FBI. FBI agents have destroyed or "lost" evidence, FBI agents have shot unarmed women, anf FBI agents have helped to cover the misdeeds of others. I have no good reason to trust any of them.
LK
So if Usama Bin Laden crosses the border at Niagara Falls, NY (lax border, for the most part), the FBI/CIA/whomever CANNOT place a wiretap on his hotel phone without a legal warrant to do so.
Good! That's how it's supposed to be. Just because someone accusation was repeated on CNN doesn't make it true. A judge must issue a warrant before things like that are done to prevent abuses. Sure, more criminals would be caught, but at what price? Living safely under the thumb of an oppressive government is worse than living in unsafe freedom.
I still think that a review of Carnivore is a good idea, but if looking at it's algorithms yielded information as to how to thwart it's capabilities, should that kind of information be out in the public?
Crypto? Stego? That's a non issue. People with something to hide WILL hide it, Carnivore is about snooping on peaceable people. A highly organized terrorist group will have access to public key crypto or one time pads. Less importantly, if the program is open sourced, more eyes will be looking at the algorithms, any weaknesses/workarounds can be easily fixed.
Would you be happy if, in the aforementioned scenario where your loved one is in danger, the criminals knew how to thwart the system, rendering the FBI's protection of your family useless?
I think you've jusr brought up a red herreng. Sure, I don't want anything bad to happen to my grandma, but I don't want people's rights trampled because at some point some unknown threat might be dangerous to her. If such a system were to be put into place, would we be able to sue the FBI if they fail to prevent a crime that they should have known about? Of course not! Law enforcement officers have no obligation to protect any one of us.
i don't care much about abortion, as a single male it's not currently an issue i have any vested interest in one way or another.
You have the right to feel or not feel anyway that you want to about any issue, but please don't try to hang it on being a single male. I too am a single male, and I care deeply about the issue.
Even if fanatical anti-abortion xtians think abortionists should die
Several points here. Point #1. Not all of us are christians in the anti-abortion movement. I'm a neo-pagan.
Point #2 Those who advocate violence are not doing so to be punitive, if they were Norma McCorvey (Jane Roe) would be dead, they believe that violence is justified when one is defending the life of a child. I don't think that anyone would dispute that deadly force would have been justified to take out the guy who was shooting kids in that school yard in Stockton CA. They abortion the same way.