For example; in Pennsylvania, the largest teachers' union, the PSEA endorsed Barack Obama and his proposed healthcare law. After he won the presidency and got the ACA passed, the teachers in my local district went on strike because they wanted to be insulated from the increase in cost to health insurance that was the direct and foreseeable consequence of the healthcare law that they endorsed.
I used a Cuboid for a while but after my second one had the connector fail, I went back the the CF Sub Ohm. I did use an external charger when I used the cuboid.
I suspect that at some point I'll go back to that kind of mod.
You clean out your coils at about the same frequency as I replace them. I guess it's a matter of convenience vs cost.
I don't find the cost overwhelming but I might like to try mixing my own juice at some point. Which suppliers do you use?
Thanks, that's illuminating. It's likely going to be slightly more than your estimate, if you add charging electricity, cleaning supplies, broken USB cables (don't tell me you got one that lasted 3 years) and other things we didn't think of, but it seems it's still cheaper than smoking for you. And probably less damaging.
Cleaning supplies are things that I'd already have. Paper towels, for example. Yes, I do have to pay for the electricity to charge it but to charge a 2200mah battery can't be that much, it would seem to be on the order of tens of cents per day. Yes, I have more than one USB charging dongle. I keep one at work and one at home so I can always charge wherever I am and there's less wear and tear. I also keep a couple of Anker chargers. One at home and one at work so that my work and personal phones can always be charged.
In the interests of full disclosure, I have two e-cigarettes. Add an additional $105 to the vaping total because I wanted to be able to have one available for vaping while the other was charging.
My children asked why I started vaping instead of smoking. I explained to them that I know how bad smoking is and didn't want to continue. They asked if vaping was "good" for me. I said that it's almost certainly not but it's most likely less bad for me than smoking.
All of the non-fucktarded people who read my original comment understood that I was referring to people who become addicted to pharmaceutical opiates. Like any of the various pain pills that people use recreationally or after an injury.
But by all means, be a douchebag with your query instead of just asking like a normal person.
They're all consumables but they have a life-cycle.
Just a top of the head calculation...
I used to smoke 3-4 packs per week. I'll just call it 3.5 packs per week. If I call it $8.00 per pack, that would be $28 per week smoking tobacco.
I currently use an Aspire CF Sub Ohm that I paid $50 for, almost 3 years ago. In that time, I have had to replace the battery once and that battery cost me $10. That takes the cost of that unit to about $60. I use a Kanger Subtank Min II, which cost me about $45, 3 years ago.
I replace my coils twice per month. At $5.00 each, that's $10 per month.
I use about 20ml of liquid per week. I can spent between $8 and $25 per 30ml bottle depending on my tastes. Calculating 4 weeks per month, based on my buying habits, I spend about $48 per month on liquid.
Smoking $28x4[weeks]x12[months]x3[years]=$4032in costs over three years
Vaping $60[battery+mod]+$45[tank] +($48[liquid]+$10[coils]x12[months]x3[years] )=$2193 in costs over 3 years.
Even if I bought only the high cost liquids, that would be $75 per month on liquid and the total cost would be $3060 for three years.
Over the course of three years, for a half a pack a day smoker, it is still more than $1,000 less expensive to vape.
With my particular pattern of consumption, it's closer to $1800 in savings over 3 years.
HBO made and is still making mountains of cash with original content.
I remained a subscriber for as long as I did just to see the end of True Blood. I know there are a lot of people who are still subscribing to see the end of GoT.
Disney leaving Netflix is a huge gamble but mostly for Disney.
Netflix has the paying subscribers. Netflix has the broad support of media streaming device and Smart TV makers.
It would be like P&G pulling all of their products from Walmart and launching their own competing chain of retail outlets.
They *might* be big enough to make it work but it's dumb to try.
We understand how people can get addicted to opiates and when the supply runs our or their money dries up, they switch to heroin as a cheaper and more widely available source of the high but with eCigarettes, that doesn't hold up.
Vaping is CHEAPER than smoking. Vaping supplies are widely available.
It's nonsensical to think that people would seek alternatives to the cheaper method that they're already using.
Who cares where manufacturing happens except the manufacturers?
People who work in manufacturing. People who invest in manufacturers. People who care about trade deficits.
Are we going to impose the same 30% tariff on imported coal-mining equipment?
That might be a good thing for the American heavy equipment manufacturers. It would encourage Caterpillar to make more equipment to be sold in the American market, in America.
gif was very well entrenched before Compuserve or its heir(I don't remember who offhand) started to push back on the licensing issue.
If they had tried from the beginning, it wouldn't have been nearly as widespread.
Still, I agree. Patent encumberment is the least of the issues. For the vast majority of uses and users, JPEG is still "good enough" and there's no pressing need for an improvement.
Your example presupposes an equal distribution of people from both A and B. That's not the case.
If B tends to live more closely packed together and A is more sparsely spread out, there must be some way of dividing them. I suppose one could pack addition districts into those dense urban areas but that comes with a different set of problems.
You argue that the electoral college is not a bug, when it makes a persons vote in one state of different value to a persons vote in another state.
Splitting California into two states would create two new Senate seats and give their votes even more weight in the electoral college. But that's not really your issue, is it?
Um that is basically half of gerrymandering right there which is what the EC also does, more or less.
Gerrymandering doesn't exist. It's a convenient scapegoat to explain why even with densely packed cities, Democrats can still lost elections.
Maybe. Or maybe the DNC conlagomarate thought "gee, it sure would appeal to our core voting group if we ran a minority candidate", and Barack happened to be the right guy with the right skin colour at the right time.
That might be a compelling argument if the Republican nominee hadn't been John McCain. The oldest and whitest man in the primary field won the election. Hillary was Beyonce compared to John McCain.
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If a federal judge steps in, US Marshals will come and seize his property and arrest him.
He had better shut it down or put it in a Faraday cage.
LK
If it was really so obvious, nobody would have gotten fleeced.
LK
It's just asking for trouble. Even if you get your money and the fees back, your time is gone forever.
LK
I disagree about most of these but you're spot on about KDE.
Any time I set up a new linux machine, one of my first moves is to install TDE (Fork of KDE 3.5.x) because it feels more responsive to me.
LK
I see a menu bar and not an awful ribbon interface.
I'll probably download/install this shortly.
LK
Teachers' unions are their own worst enemy.
For example; in Pennsylvania, the largest teachers' union, the PSEA endorsed Barack Obama and his proposed healthcare law. After he won the presidency and got the ACA passed, the teachers in my local district went on strike because they wanted to be insulated from the increase in cost to health insurance that was the direct and foreseeable consequence of the healthcare law that they endorsed.
They rubbed a lot of us the wrong way with that.
LK
I disagree. If they were totally abandoning Wayland, then you'd have a point. They simply saying, "Hey! Look! Choice! Yay us."
Like they did with systemd, right?
LK
It's comforting that I'm not the only one.
Thank you for the link.
LK
Thank you. I'll have to look into this.
I used a Cuboid for a while but after my second one had the connector fail, I went back the the CF Sub Ohm. I did use an external charger when I used the cuboid.
I suspect that at some point I'll go back to that kind of mod.
You clean out your coils at about the same frequency as I replace them. I guess it's a matter of convenience vs cost.
I don't find the cost overwhelming but I might like to try mixing my own juice at some point. Which suppliers do you use?
LK
Thanks, that's illuminating.
It's likely going to be slightly more than your estimate, if you add charging electricity, cleaning supplies, broken USB cables (don't tell me you got one that lasted 3 years) and other things we didn't think of, but it seems it's still cheaper than smoking for you. And probably less damaging.
Cleaning supplies are things that I'd already have. Paper towels, for example. Yes, I do have to pay for the electricity to charge it but to charge a 2200mah battery can't be that much, it would seem to be on the order of tens of cents per day. Yes, I have more than one USB charging dongle. I keep one at work and one at home so I can always charge wherever I am and there's less wear and tear. I also keep a couple of Anker chargers. One at home and one at work so that my work and personal phones can always be charged.
In the interests of full disclosure, I have two e-cigarettes. Add an additional $105 to the vaping total because I wanted to be able to have one available for vaping while the other was charging.
My children asked why I started vaping instead of smoking. I explained to them that I know how bad smoking is and didn't want to continue. They asked if vaping was "good" for me. I said that it's almost certainly not but it's most likely less bad for me than smoking.
LK
All of the non-fucktarded people who read my original comment understood that I was referring to people who become addicted to pharmaceutical opiates. Like any of the various pain pills that people use recreationally or after an injury.
But by all means, be a douchebag with your query instead of just asking like a normal person.
LK
They're all consumables but they have a life-cycle.
Just a top of the head calculation...
I used to smoke 3-4 packs per week. I'll just call it 3.5 packs per week.
If I call it $8.00 per pack, that would be $28 per week smoking tobacco.
I currently use an Aspire CF Sub Ohm that I paid $50 for, almost 3 years ago. In that time, I have had to replace the battery once and that battery cost me $10. That takes the cost of that unit to about $60.
I use a Kanger Subtank Min II, which cost me about $45, 3 years ago.
I replace my coils twice per month. At $5.00 each, that's $10 per month.
I use about 20ml of liquid per week. I can spent between $8 and $25 per 30ml bottle depending on my tastes. Calculating 4 weeks per month, based on my buying habits, I spend about $48 per month on liquid.
Smoking
$28x4[weeks]x12[months]x3[years]=$4032in costs over three years
Vaping
$60[battery+mod]+$45[tank] +($48[liquid]+$10[coils]x12[months]x3[years] )=$2193 in costs over 3 years.
Even if I bought only the high cost liquids, that would be $75 per month on liquid and the total cost would be $3060 for three years.
Over the course of three years, for a half a pack a day smoker, it is still more than $1,000 less expensive to vape.
With my particular pattern of consumption, it's closer to $1800 in savings over 3 years.
LK
Every smoker I know who tried to vape as an alternative ultimately quit and went back to the original cancer sticks.
I wonder if there are any studies on that.
Most of the smokers that I know who went to vaping either reduced or eliminated their "regular" smoking activity.
LK
That said caffeine is the real gateway drug, once I got high on that, around 6 or so, I was hooked on how good drugs can be.
I once heard a friend of mine say that the "Real Gateway Drug" is spinning around until you get dizzy.
Virtually everyone has done it and those who develop a liking for it go on to try more intense sensations.
LK
HBO made and is still making mountains of cash with original content.
I remained a subscriber for as long as I did just to see the end of True Blood. I know there are a lot of people who are still subscribing to see the end of GoT.
Disney leaving Netflix is a huge gamble but mostly for Disney.
Netflix has the paying subscribers. Netflix has the broad support of media streaming device and Smart TV makers.
It would be like P&G pulling all of their products from Walmart and launching their own competing chain of retail outlets.
They *might* be big enough to make it work but it's dumb to try.
LK
We understand how people can get addicted to opiates and when the supply runs our or their money dries up, they switch to heroin as a cheaper and more widely available source of the high but with eCigarettes, that doesn't hold up.
Vaping is CHEAPER than smoking. Vaping supplies are widely available.
It's nonsensical to think that people would seek alternatives to the cheaper method that they're already using.
LK
Who cares where manufacturing happens except the manufacturers?
People who work in manufacturing. People who invest in manufacturers. People who care about trade deficits.
Are we going to impose the same 30% tariff on imported coal-mining equipment?
That might be a good thing for the American heavy equipment manufacturers. It would encourage Caterpillar to make more equipment to be sold in the American market, in America.
LK
gif was very well entrenched before Compuserve or its heir(I don't remember who offhand) started to push back on the licensing issue.
If they had tried from the beginning, it wouldn't have been nearly as widespread.
Still, I agree. Patent encumberment is the least of the issues. For the vast majority of uses and users, JPEG is still "good enough" and there's no pressing need for an improvement.
LK
I get why JPEG isn't perfect but the big issue here is that for the vast and overwhelming use cases, JPEG is "good enough".
It's going to be hard to come up with an alternative that's not ridiculously patent encumbered.
LK
Your example presupposes an equal distribution of people from both A and B. That's not the case.
If B tends to live more closely packed together and A is more sparsely spread out, there must be some way of dividing them. I suppose one could pack addition districts into those dense urban areas but that comes with a different set of problems.
LK
You argue that the electoral college is not a bug, when it makes a persons vote in one state of different value to a persons vote in another state.
Splitting California into two states would create two new Senate seats and give their votes even more weight in the electoral college. But that's not really your issue, is it?
Um that is basically half of gerrymandering right there which is what the EC also does, more or less.
Gerrymandering doesn't exist. It's a convenient scapegoat to explain why even with densely packed cities, Democrats can still lost elections.
LK
Maybe. Or maybe the DNC conlagomarate thought "gee, it sure would appeal to our core voting group if we ran a minority candidate", and Barack happened to be the right guy with the right skin colour at the right time.
That might be a compelling argument if the Republican nominee hadn't been John McCain. The oldest and whitest man in the primary field won the election. Hillary was Beyonce compared to John McCain.
LK
Are you one of those guys who actually thought that Sanders had any chance at all in the Democratic primary?
Hillary's campaign and the DNC believed that Bernie had a chance in the Democratic primary. That's why they colluded to give the victory to Hillary.
I guarantee you that they wouldn't have done what they did to keep the nomination from Vermin Supreme.
LK
He may have done it for the lulz, I did not. I cast a reluctant vote for Trump because Hillary would have been worse.
LK