Re:For those of us who prefer a video
on
GNOME 3.2 Released
·
· Score: 2
Avant Window Navigator, work very well as a taskbar for GNOME. I strongly suggest you try it if you are using GNOME 3.x. It's described as a 'dock', but it is easy to setup like a taskbar.
I have to agree with you though, I find a desktop environment close to unusable without a task bar.
They appear to be adding SSL style authentication of boot loaders, however many OEMs will distribute with only the equivalent of a root certificate for Windows meaning they would not boot linux (or any other OS) without disabling this feature. The article is saying that to sell Win 8 logo branded products manufactures will have to support this feature, but there will be an option for OEMs to add more certificates and a setting to turn it off.
This would also damage backwards compatibility with older versions of Windows, more likely you will have to change a BIOS setting to turn it off or get annoying messages (such as when you access a website with a self signed SSL cert.) when you try to boot anything other then Windows 8. So it's bad, but not that bad.
I have to agree. I upgraded to 11.04 soon after it came out and very quickly changed back to 10.10 (and on one computer I switched to debian) due to lack of support for multiple screens, boot issues and Unity.
Recently I have been forced to upgrade, due to needing newer versions of various apps. Whilst it does boot up now and two screens is working (after I reinstalled the nvidia drivers, why do they get removed every upgrade?) it shuts down at random intervals and samba 4 is installed by default which required a purge and reinstall to actually work (and stop giving me errors every time I use apt).
Unity is still terrible, but after installing gnome 3 and a dock it works quite well, however I can't seem to persuade apt that I don't need evolution as I have installed Thunderbird (to remove evolution it seems you have to remove half of the default install.)
last five times I tried to use dabian unstable on two different computers it has rendered it unbootable. I often see this claim, but in my experiences that is not reality.
Actually I'm English living in Australia and as you don't seem to understand my points I must assume there is something wrong, however looking at your post history it appears that you just don't understand that people have the need to run windows apps on linux. As someone who uses linux as there primary operating system I hate to break it to you but your wrong.
Also I'm talking about USBs you buy in the shops not dodgy ones from China (and you price does not include shipping abroad), in Australia (where I live) flash drives cost about $10 - $15 for a 1 or 2GB compared to CD-RWs that cost about 5c each.
You (or "average Joe") is/are too dumb to press F11 at boot time (sic!).
Is considered an insult by most people who read English
The OP said:
Of course, like if you had used your optical drive in the last few months.
Seriously, why would one want an optical drive in a PC these days?
My post was in reply to this question, which is referring to all PCs not just those that run linux
No people don't setup linux just to run things under WINE that would be rather stupid. They do however use WINE to run proprietary windows apps, such as MS Office (which is usually installed from a CD) and Windows Games (which often have CD based DRM). This is the whole purpose of WINE which is apparently a very popular application with a big following and which I have seen used by a number of users.
As 'stupid magazines' still sell with CDs on them I would assume I am not the only one who uses them, generally in most forms of writing where you are expressing a point of view you use specific examples to strengthen your argument. This is one such point.
I don't need to repeat myself again on the ease and cost of CDs vs. Flash drives, however you would be surprised how easy it is to install an OS these days compared to knowing how to change BIOS settings. FYI I have no problem with this, but I know many users who would.
At this point I'm beginning to wonder if English is your native language as you don't seem to understand it very well, otherwise you must be trolling.
First off OP was referring to optical drives in general not just on the PC in the article.
Please read the full post before insulting people, at least read the first line.
- You need windows, but we were talking about a Linux machine.
See above + user may want to install windows or a different linux distro (see above for why most users won't install from a flash drive and why this is expensive.
- You need software for windows to run on your Linux machine.
reading comprehension...
- You need to read CDs from magazines, which are burning free stuff that, by the way, you will find on the net.
Often magazine CDs contain special offers such as software that you would have to pay from if you downloaded them.
- People are stilling your USB keys (I don't see "average Joe" using Linux, but never mind).
I certainly hope they are not stilling my USBs. If you mean stealing then yes people often take USBs are just forget to give them back, this is inconvenient whereas a CD is cheep enough to be given to someone without expecting it back.
- You (or "average Joe") is/are too dumb to press F11 at boot time (sic!).
Really last time I checked on the various computers I use you have to press a random key of the makers choice (usually TAB, Delete of a F* key) then go through three pages of menus to change the boot order. Whilst I can do this easily (although it is a waste of time) most users would not be able to do this if they can figure out how to put a disk image on a USB in the first place and they have enough flash drives to leave one with a recovery image on it all the time (as supposed to a CD which is much cheaper; users buying one of these computers may not have access to a second computer to flash the flash drive from if something goes wrong)
- You don't have a BD player for your TV, but still would like to play BD.
Ain't nothing wrong with that, it is also convenient to be able to play BD on the computer.
All the above are specific to you, and don't cover the general case of using a computer with Linux.
People tend to need things for specific reasons, a number of my points do apply to linux (including proprietary software under WINE as I said before).
Git records when changes are made (it has to to work and by whom it would be very easy to detect and edit if they changed it through the metaphorical front door and could be changed back. What is being suggested is that someone hid the changes (which would require manual access to the git files).
My understanding is this would not be too hard, but apparently it is?
First off OP was referring to optical drives in general not just on the PC in the article.
- Why would you install Win...s for?
-There are still a fair number of things you can't do without windows, see my other post in the thread for details
- Most (if not all) Linux distro will support to be setup from USB. & - If you have a problem, then boot on a live... USB key!
USB drives are more expensive then CDs and people don't always have blank ones lying around, it is also more complicated (to hard for Joe Average) to put an image on a USB drive and you often have to change BIOS settings
- The computer is shipped with Linux, not windows, so how do you exactly install Photoshop on it?
-WINE? Again OP was not referring specifically to the computer in the article, or you might decide to install Windows on it
- Is there still some "free stuff" CD with magazines? Oh, sorry... is there still some (paper) computer magazines?
Yes there is, at least in Australia where I live
- If you need to play BD films, why don't buy a TV BD player and play on that? We're talking about a computer here, not a TV set...
People often use there computer to play films nowadays, I certainly do.
I also forgot to mention before, what I use my optical drive for is burning CDs for backing tracks or school projects (I don't like lending USBs they tend not to come back)
Yeah and have you actually used it, because I have and it doesn’t render correctly (images, tables, word art, etc) as well as converting automatic tables of contents to links
I have used WINE for MS Office (which I did not pirate) in the past and it has worked reasonably well (although still a pain, which is why CrossOver Office exists) however it would not have been easy enough for an average user (don't know if CrossOver Office fixes this).
If I ever switched to a none dual boot system in the future I might get it (at this point in time there are often stupid little things I need Win 7 for).
In general linux seems to be slightly less stable then win 7, I do however use Ubuntu as my primary OS. It is good for power users (who can debug computer problems such as weird file permissions and edit config files) and I would suggested it for that class of users, however I would not suggest it to Joe Average.
To instal Windows? To install most versions of Linux? To install a large number of commercial products (E.g. Photoshop)? To boot from a live CD when having boot problems? To install the free stuff that comes with computer Magazines?To play BD movies (I don't live in US and I prefer not to pirate everything)
6) Docx support, whilst I prefer open office to MS Office in general. In OO/LibreOffice Docx support is terrible (Images in wrong place, different table sizes, no word art, etc). Nb. from my experience the same isn't true the other way round, open office documents usually display fine in word.
Disclaimer: I dual boot ubuntu with Gnome 3 (btw Unity is reason 7 if we are talking specifically about Ubuntu) and Win 7. For programing, internet browsing and file operations linux is generally better. I also use LibreOffice when I am creating documents (but not for opening or editing documents created in Word). However I generally haven't found good replacements for Windows Live Photo Gallery (although digikam get close in terms of functionality, but with a terrible UI), Photoshop (I have tried gimp), MS Power Point and movie editing software in general (I've tried a large number of linux movie editing software on a reasonably high spec system and they all seemed to crash at random intervals). Win 7 is also more visually appealing.
The NBN and related projects are supposed fix that problem (I think it's 99% or 95% fibre coverage and the rest by satellite). However if Turnbull's party get in whilst Abbott is still in charge of them, it probably won't happen.
Um, you want the government to send tax information and other communications anonymously? The government already has this info and they already use it for this purpose all that is being proposed is a change of medium.
That works both ways, it is extremely annoying when I change my default search engine to Yahoo and then Firefox still sends me to google if I type keywords in the address bar.
which can be due to a typo and which google give you no option to change once you've entered it. However many people are in fact complaining that google is blocking out all under 18 (not under 13) users with no explanation and that in some cases it seems to be guessing peoples age (they haven't given that information to google)
Maybe because all the screen aren't dodge, only some of them? When my first one broke, they sent me a new one international express post from the US (I live in Australia) and I didn't even have to send my old one back they just told me to throw it in the bin.
Slashdot Mirror
Avant Window Navigator, work very well as a taskbar for GNOME. I strongly suggest you try it if you are using GNOME 3.x. It's described as a 'dock', but it is easy to setup like a taskbar.
I have to agree with you though, I find a desktop environment close to unusable without a task bar.
I would assume you would, as otherwise win 8 would not be backwards compatible with older hardware.
They appear to be adding SSL style authentication of boot loaders, however many OEMs will distribute with only the equivalent of a root certificate for Windows meaning they would not boot linux (or any other OS) without disabling this feature .
The article is saying that to sell Win 8 logo branded products manufactures will have to support this feature, but there will be an option for OEMs to add more certificates and a setting to turn it off.
This would also damage backwards compatibility with older versions of Windows, more likely you will have to change a BIOS setting to turn it off or get annoying messages (such as when you access a website with a self signed SSL cert.) when you try to boot anything other then Windows 8. So it's bad, but not that bad.
Last time I checked Android isn't 'on the desktop'
Unity is terrible
Gnome 3 is pretty good, but I had to install the avant dock (which is in the ubuntu repositorys) as not having a taskbar is a pain.
I have to agree. I upgraded to 11.04 soon after it came out and very quickly changed back to 10.10 (and on one computer I switched to debian) due to lack of support for multiple screens, boot issues and Unity.
Recently I have been forced to upgrade, due to needing newer versions of various apps. Whilst it does boot up now and two screens is working (after I reinstalled the nvidia drivers, why do they get removed every upgrade?) it shuts down at random intervals and samba 4 is installed by default which required a purge and reinstall to actually work (and stop giving me errors every time I use apt).
Unity is still terrible, but after installing gnome 3 and a dock it works quite well, however I can't seem to persuade apt that I don't need evolution as I have installed Thunderbird (to remove evolution it seems you have to remove half of the default install.)
last five times I tried to use dabian unstable on two different computers it has rendered it unbootable. I often see this claim, but in my experiences that is not reality.
Actually I'm English living in Australia and as you don't seem to understand my points I must assume there is something wrong, however looking at your post history it appears that you just don't understand that people have the need to run windows apps on linux. As someone who uses linux as there primary operating system I hate to break it to you but your wrong.
Also I'm talking about USBs you buy in the shops not dodgy ones from China (and you price does not include shipping abroad), in Australia (where I live) flash drives cost about $10 - $15 for a 1 or 2GB compared to CD-RWs that cost about 5c each.
You (or "average Joe") is/are too dumb to press F11 at boot time (sic!).
Is considered an insult by most people who read English The OP said:
Of course, like if you had used your optical drive in the last few months.
Seriously, why would one want an optical drive in a PC these days?
My post was in reply to this question, which is referring to all PCs not just those that run linux
No people don't setup linux just to run things under WINE that would be rather stupid. They do however use WINE to run proprietary windows apps, such as MS Office (which is usually installed from a CD) and Windows Games (which often have CD based DRM). This is the whole purpose of WINE which is apparently a very popular application with a big following and which I have seen used by a number of users.
As 'stupid magazines' still sell with CDs on them I would assume I am not the only one who uses them, generally in most forms of writing where you are expressing a point of view you use specific examples to strengthen your argument. This is one such point.
I don't need to repeat myself again on the ease and cost of CDs vs. Flash drives, however you would be surprised how easy it is to install an OS these days compared to knowing how to change BIOS settings. FYI I have no problem with this, but I know many users who would.
At this point I'm beginning to wonder if English is your native language as you don't seem to understand it very well, otherwise you must be trolling.
First off OP was referring to optical drives in general not just on the PC in the article.
Please read the full post before insulting people, at least read the first line.
- You need windows, but we were talking about a Linux machine.
See above + user may want to install windows or a different linux distro (see above for why most users won't install from a flash drive and why this is expensive.
- You need software for windows to run on your Linux machine.
reading comprehension...
- You need to read CDs from magazines, which are burning free stuff that, by the way, you will find on the net.
Often magazine CDs contain special offers such as software that you would have to pay from if you downloaded them.
- People are stilling your USB keys (I don't see "average Joe" using Linux, but never mind).
I certainly hope they are not stilling my USBs. If you mean stealing then yes people often take USBs are just forget to give them back, this is inconvenient whereas a CD is cheep enough to be given to someone without expecting it back.
- You (or "average Joe") is/are too dumb to press F11 at boot time (sic!).
Really last time I checked on the various computers I use you have to press a random key of the makers choice (usually TAB, Delete of a F* key) then go through three pages of menus to change the boot order. Whilst I can do this easily (although it is a waste of time) most users would not be able to do this if they can figure out how to put a disk image on a USB in the first place and they have enough flash drives to leave one with a recovery image on it all the time (as supposed to a CD which is much cheaper; users buying one of these computers may not have access to a second computer to flash the flash drive from if something goes wrong)
- You don't have a BD player for your TV, but still would like to play BD.
Ain't nothing wrong with that, it is also convenient to be able to play BD on the computer.
All the above are specific to you, and don't cover the general case of using a computer with Linux.
People tend to need things for specific reasons, a number of my points do apply to linux (including proprietary software under WINE as I said before).
Git records when changes are made (it has to to work and by whom it would be very easy to detect and edit if they changed it through the metaphorical front door and could be changed back. What is being suggested is that someone hid the changes (which would require manual access to the git files).
My understanding is this would not be too hard, but apparently it is?
- Why would you install Win...s for?
-There are still a fair number of things you can't do without windows, see my other post in the thread for details
- Most (if not all) Linux distro will support to be setup from USB. & - If you have a problem, then boot on a live ... USB key!
USB drives are more expensive then CDs and people don't always have blank ones lying around, it is also more complicated (to hard for Joe Average) to put an image on a USB drive and you often have to change BIOS settings
- The computer is shipped with Linux, not windows, so how do you exactly install Photoshop on it?
-WINE? Again OP was not referring specifically to the computer in the article, or you might decide to install Windows on it
- Is there still some "free stuff" CD with magazines? Oh, sorry... is there still some (paper) computer magazines?
Yes there is, at least in Australia where I live
- If you need to play BD films, why don't buy a TV BD player and play on that? We're talking about a computer here, not a TV set...
People often use there computer to play films nowadays, I certainly do.
I also forgot to mention before, what I use my optical drive for is burning CDs for backing tracks or school projects (I don't like lending USBs they tend not to come back)
Yeah and have you actually used it, because I have and it doesn’t render correctly (images, tables, word art, etc) as well as converting automatic tables of contents to links
I have used WINE for MS Office (which I did not pirate) in the past and it has worked reasonably well (although still a pain, which is why CrossOver Office exists) however it would not have been easy enough for an average user (don't know if CrossOver Office fixes this). If I ever switched to a none dual boot system in the future I might get it (at this point in time there are often stupid little things I need Win 7 for).
In general linux seems to be slightly less stable then win 7, I do however use Ubuntu as my primary OS.
It is good for power users (who can debug computer problems such as weird file permissions and edit config files) and I would suggested it for that class of users, however I would not suggest it to Joe Average.
To instal Windows? To install most versions of Linux? To install a large number of commercial products (E.g. Photoshop)? To boot from a live CD when having boot problems? To install the free stuff that comes with computer Magazines?To play BD movies (I don't live in US and I prefer not to pirate everything)
You forgot:
6) Docx support, whilst I prefer open office to MS Office in general. In OO/LibreOffice Docx support is terrible (Images in wrong place, different table sizes, no word art, etc). Nb. from my experience the same isn't true the other way round, open office documents usually display fine in word.
Disclaimer: I dual boot ubuntu with Gnome 3 (btw Unity is reason 7 if we are talking specifically about Ubuntu) and Win 7. For programing, internet browsing and file operations linux is generally better. I also use LibreOffice when I am creating documents (but not for opening or editing documents created in Word). However I generally haven't found good replacements for Windows Live Photo Gallery (although digikam get close in terms of functionality, but with a terrible UI), Photoshop (I have tried gimp), MS Power Point and movie editing software in general (I've tried a large number of linux movie editing software on a reasonably high spec system and they all seemed to crash at random intervals).
Win 7 is also more visually appealing.
The NBN and related projects are supposed fix that problem (I think it's 99% or 95% fibre coverage and the rest by satellite). However if Turnbull's party get in whilst Abbott is still in charge of them, it probably won't happen.
Um, you want the government to send tax information and other communications anonymously? The government already has this info and they already use it for this purpose all that is being proposed is a change of medium.
That works both ways, it is extremely annoying when I change my default search engine to Yahoo and then Firefox still sends me to google if I type keywords in the address bar.
which can be due to a typo and which google give you no option to change once you've entered it. However many people are in fact complaining that google is blocking out all under 18 (not under 13) users with no explanation and that in some cases it seems to be guessing peoples age (they haven't given that information to google)
perhaps they didn't want to spam everyone in there contacts?
Most apps are a ad based and require Internet access. Google would lose a lot of devs if it did this
Maybe because all the screen aren't dodge, only some of them? When my first one broke, they sent me a new one international express post from the US (I live in Australia) and I didn't even have to send my old one back they just told me to throw it in the bin.
but why does you friend own the copyright and the monkeys don't?