I don't see how it's self-correcting. In the real world (as opposed to your idealized scenario) Company A exploits its workers in a new and interesting way to make a buck. Joe, an employee of Company A, says "Screw this," and begins looking for another job...only to find that either every other company has already adopted Company A's new innovation or soon will. It's called the Race to the Bottom...if one company cuts costs by screwing over its employees in a certain way, it gives them a competitive advantage and everyone else scrambles to keep up...hell, the boards of other companies would be remiss if they didn't adopt the new method. After all, their job isn't to do the right thing, it's to make money. The problem is that that's all anybody's job is in a capitalistic society: to make money. It needs to be at least some people's job to do the right thing. The entire notion of doing the right thing under a capitalistic system is considered, at best, hopelessly naive, and at worst, stupid and irresponsible.
Glorifying greed just makes sociopaths into heroes and leaders. Look where that has gotten us. At least with communism (or any other ideologically drive system) you have a chance of a given leader being there because of greed OR ideals; under capitalism there is only one acceptable value and motivations: greed.
Yes, but capitalism glorifies it, lionizes, and justifies it. It puts greed at the top of human motivators and forbids us to censure the greediest amongst us. I'm sorry, but when you create a system built on the notion of competition, "every man for himself", and self-involvement, youmetaprogramming are pandering to the worst in human nature. You are saying the bullies aren't just usually going to win, but that it is right that they win. How can we expect any other outcome than the one we have gotten? We made sociopaths into heroes and now lament that they run the show? Seems a bit disingenuous to me.
Games I want to play come and go. Music I listen to changes. Movies and TV I want to watch changes. I would prefer (and get, via Netflix Streaming, Hulu Gold, and Gamefly) subscription services that allow me to enjoy something as long as I want to and then abandon it. I don't want more files on my HDDs, I don't want more game boxes and discs cluttering up my house. I don't want to have collections. Services like this and Spotify are exactly what I have always wanted...I pay for access to a library of music, games, movies, and TV, on demand and when I want them. I don't want the source to a game that provides a momentary amusement and then joins the pile of games I will never play again.
It seems to me that arguments like yours make the perfect the enemy of the good. If the choice is between nothing or something with DRM, even with the DRM the user has more choices than with nothing.
I had heard about collusion on that level, it was the planted employees I hadn't heard of. I didn't mean to imply that I thought you were lying or whatever other offense your tone implies you believe I meant.
Huh. That's disturbing. And you've seen this before? Like actual planted employees whose job is to slip in backdoors and exploitable code? And management and the assorted PHBs are what...in on this? Unaware? And the code doesn't get found in reviews? It seems like it would make more sense for the NSA to make dummy corps to develop and sell security software than it makes to plant people and then expect them not to be detected.
I always find conspiracies hard to believe. They require two things humans are historically very bad at: working together and keeping secrets.
If you're an outsider, why do you care about an article that essentially only matters to insiders? And while we're explaining the intricacies of the software industry, I will take the opportunity to introduce you to this wonderful invention. It's called a search engine. When you don't know what something means, you can search for it yourself, therefore avoiding looking both ignorant and lazy.
By the by, this is/. Notice the subtitle: "News for nerds". I think you may be lost. You may feel more comfortable here: http://digg.com/ or perhaps here: http://myspace.com./
Unless you know something that I don't, the SELinux code has been reviewed several times looking for backdoors and there aren't any. Or is it just that the config is a PITA for you? That I can understand.
Holy shit, that made me snicker in smug superiority like I haven't in a long time. I think that may have been the first algo I learned, right after I learned
In my experience it hasn't been the judges nearly as much as the president and Congress. How many "wars" are we fighting that have never been declared? Actually, it makes more sense to ask which have actually been declared, legal wars. How many of our liberties, guaranteed by the Constitution, have been trampled on? To say nothing of refusing to treat veterans and trying to screw them every chance they get.
I'm not saying don't blame the judges. Just don't blame the judges exclusively. Blame every goddamn politician since this country was founded, because the ink wasn't dry on the Constitution before some asshole was trying to twist it to suit his needs and doing it on the public dollar.
Funny...it doesn't do that on any system in my house. That's two main boxes, 1 X-box 360, 1 Wii, and a laptop. My wife's box is a bootcamped i3 iMac running Snow Leopard and Windows XP, my box is an i7 running Linux and Windows 7 (mostly Linux). Not a single crash, not a single problem.
Don't know what to tell you, but I have had nothing but good experiences with Netflix streaming.
It's not just the natural moral response make the job repugnant to ethical people...the psychological evaluation you take when you apply tests to make sure you are both an authoritarian personality type and have low empathy. They are doing this on purpose.
> it sounds great, but never happened. That's probably the definition of an "ideal."
But America has done those things, from time to time. Not as consistently as we'd like, and not without doing evil too, but there's no law of the cosmos that says a generally benign culture can't exist and flourish. They did it in Star Trek...
That's what I've been saying. We all know what the right ideals are, otherwise these stories wouldn't resonate with us, they wouldn't be so inspiring and powerful. Maybe those values have only manifested in a moment here and a moment there so far, but we aspire towards them with every tale we tell, and America, if nothing else, is a land of tales. We can start to tell a different one.
Emacs is a great development environment. It just lacks a good text editor.
it's a passable operating system too, but yeah lacks a decent editor
Really? After all these years, this is what you bring to the table? I'm disappointed. Why, I remember the days when a good Emacs vs. Vi brawl would include three page dissertations in LaTex.
People didn't "turn to" governments. First there were extended families, with kinship rules and physical strength dictating who made the rules. Then tribes with similar rules, then villages, then cities, then city-states, then empires/kingdoms, then countries/nations. At no point did people have the choice to accept the authority of each structure in turn...the strongest ruled at first, then once the Agricultural Revolution hit, it became the strongest and wealthiest, and that's pretty much the way it is now.
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I don't see how it's self-correcting. In the real world (as opposed to your idealized scenario) Company A exploits its workers in a new and interesting way to make a buck. Joe, an employee of Company A, says "Screw this," and begins looking for another job...only to find that either every other company has already adopted Company A's new innovation or soon will. It's called the Race to the Bottom...if one company cuts costs by screwing over its employees in a certain way, it gives them a competitive advantage and everyone else scrambles to keep up...hell, the boards of other companies would be remiss if they didn't adopt the new method. After all, their job isn't to do the right thing, it's to make money. The problem is that that's all anybody's job is in a capitalistic society: to make money. It needs to be at least some people's job to do the right thing. The entire notion of doing the right thing under a capitalistic system is considered, at best, hopelessly naive, and at worst, stupid and irresponsible.
Glorifying greed just makes sociopaths into heroes and leaders. Look where that has gotten us. At least with communism (or any other ideologically drive system) you have a chance of a given leader being there because of greed OR ideals; under capitalism there is only one acceptable value and motivations: greed.
Yes, but capitalism glorifies it, lionizes, and justifies it. It puts greed at the top of human motivators and forbids us to censure the greediest amongst us. I'm sorry, but when you create a system built on the notion of competition, "every man for himself", and self-involvement, youmetaprogramming are pandering to the worst in human nature. You are saying the bullies aren't just usually going to win, but that it is right that they win. How can we expect any other outcome than the one we have gotten? We made sociopaths into heroes and now lament that they run the show? Seems a bit disingenuous to me.
Thanks! Wish you were logged in so I could mod you up.
Games I want to play come and go. Music I listen to changes. Movies and TV I want to watch changes. I would prefer (and get, via Netflix Streaming, Hulu Gold, and Gamefly) subscription services that allow me to enjoy something as long as I want to and then abandon it. I don't want more files on my HDDs, I don't want more game boxes and discs cluttering up my house. I don't want to have collections. Services like this and Spotify are exactly what I have always wanted...I pay for access to a library of music, games, movies, and TV, on demand and when I want them. I don't want the source to a game that provides a momentary amusement and then joins the pile of games I will never play again.
It seems to me that arguments like yours make the perfect the enemy of the good. If the choice is between nothing or something with DRM, even with the DRM the user has more choices than with nothing.
Oh, I completely agree. The Empire Never Ended.
I don't really think this is the revelation that leads to that conclusion. It's been obvious how politics really works for a long while now.
Agreed. I'm from Santa Cruz (live in the Bay Area now). Don't blame us.
I had heard about collusion on that level, it was the planted employees I hadn't heard of. I didn't mean to imply that I thought you were lying or whatever other offense your tone implies you believe I meant.
Huh. That's disturbing. And you've seen this before? Like actual planted employees whose job is to slip in backdoors and exploitable code? And management and the assorted PHBs are what...in on this? Unaware? And the code doesn't get found in reviews? It seems like it would make more sense for the NSA to make dummy corps to develop and sell security software than it makes to plant people and then expect them not to be detected.
I always find conspiracies hard to believe. They require two things humans are historically very bad at: working together and keeping secrets.
If you're an outsider, why do you care about an article that essentially only matters to insiders? And while we're explaining the intricacies of the software industry, I will take the opportunity to introduce you to this wonderful invention. It's called a search engine. When you don't know what something means, you can search for it yourself, therefore avoiding looking both ignorant and lazy.
By the by, this is /. Notice the subtitle: "News for nerds". I think you may be lost. You may feel more comfortable here: http://digg.com/ or perhaps here: http://myspace.com./
Unless you know something that I don't, the SELinux code has been reviewed several times looking for backdoors and there aren't any. Or is it just that the config is a PITA for you? That I can understand.
I grew up with both.
I found your problem. You're using Perl.
Holy shit, that made me snicker in smug superiority like I haven't in a long time. I think that may have been the first algo I learned, right after I learned
10 home
20 print "hello world!"
30 end
That's right...Apple Basic represent!
In my experience it hasn't been the judges nearly as much as the president and Congress. How many "wars" are we fighting that have never been declared? Actually, it makes more sense to ask which have actually been declared, legal wars. How many of our liberties, guaranteed by the Constitution, have been trampled on? To say nothing of refusing to treat veterans and trying to screw them every chance they get.
I'm not saying don't blame the judges. Just don't blame the judges exclusively. Blame every goddamn politician since this country was founded, because the ink wasn't dry on the Constitution before some asshole was trying to twist it to suit his needs and doing it on the public dollar.
Wait, let me amend that: I can't stream natively in Linux, I have to Wine it up or use a VM.
Funny...it doesn't do that on any system in my house. That's two main boxes, 1 X-box 360, 1 Wii, and a laptop. My wife's box is a bootcamped i3 iMac running Snow Leopard and Windows XP, my box is an i7 running Linux and Windows 7 (mostly Linux). Not a single crash, not a single problem.
Don't know what to tell you, but I have had nothing but good experiences with Netflix streaming.
It's not just the natural moral response make the job repugnant to ethical people...the psychological evaluation you take when you apply tests to make sure you are both an authoritarian personality type and have low empathy. They are doing this on purpose.
> it sounds great, but never happened.
That's probably the definition of an "ideal."
But America has done those things, from time to time. Not as consistently as we'd like, and not without doing evil too, but there's no law of the cosmos that says a generally benign culture can't exist and flourish. They did it in Star Trek...
That's what I've been saying. We all know what the right ideals are, otherwise these stories wouldn't resonate with us, they wouldn't be so inspiring and powerful. Maybe those values have only manifested in a moment here and a moment there so far, but we aspire towards them with every tale we tell, and America, if nothing else, is a land of tales. We can start to tell a different one.
Agreed.
This is about standards, people.
But...but...that's not yet-another-twitter-clone! It doesn't count!
Emacs is a great development environment. It just lacks a good text editor.
it's a passable operating system too, but yeah lacks a decent editor
Really? After all these years, this is what you bring to the table? I'm disappointed. Why, I remember the days when a good Emacs vs. Vi brawl would include three page dissertations in LaTex.
Is there something that isn't?
It's called turning into a third-world country.
People didn't "turn to" governments. First there were extended families, with kinship rules and physical strength dictating who made the rules. Then tribes with similar rules, then villages, then cities, then city-states, then empires/kingdoms, then countries/nations. At no point did people have the choice to accept the authority of each structure in turn...the strongest ruled at first, then once the Agricultural Revolution hit, it became the strongest and wealthiest, and that's pretty much the way it is now.