As somone else said, it's a MIPS chip. I think the distro is hand-made, more or less, by Cobalt. When I was inquiring about one a little while ago, the sales guy was hedging a lot about the distro. It prolly still has a 2.0 kernel due to the butt-pain of porting stuff to a newer one.
Yes, it is overpriced, if you're a hacker type, but the value of this thing is more in the fact that you can drop it on the network and it pops up and works, and it has a lot of sweet configuration utils.
It takes up to 64MB of ram. The other issue is that people aren't sposed to think of this as a 'computer,' it is not designed to be used as your workstation - it's an appliance.
Free trade in the world guarantee that the best products are produced at a competitive price.
Free trade guarantees nothing. We've had free trade here in America in the software industry for years - need I tell you where that thought is going? the US, the best country in the world. To think the contrary is a symptom of stupidity and ignorance.
Heh, funny how that looks when you move the context around a little. I bet all those poor, unhappy, ignorant, and *cough* stupid FINNISH people are feeling pretty bad for themselves right now. Yup. Life is hard over there in the boonies. The criminals in Seatle are for the most part unions brainless jerks, basket weaving university graduates and other morons.
Heh, you've just made this too easy.
Anyways, I use the subtle flame to make a point: There are no guarantees - we, as Americans, are not all THAT much 'better off' than a lot of citizens of socialist, semi-facist, or other democratic countries - Free Trade is about money, money, money, money, and it aint about money for you or I, unless you happen to be the CEO of a great big company.
Those of you who think otherwise, take a little step back for a moment, and ask yourself this:
"Would a group of representatives from countries that want money, meeting with a group of private citizens and/or money-driven politicians, be likely to seek solutions that benefit me in my everyday life?"
FUCK no. Money, money, money. None for you, monkey. WHY would they go through all that trouble to make YOUR life better?
His features, like John K's, just plain suck. I don't CARE about his opinion, especially after the sexist 'how to find a chick' rant, and would greatly, greatly, greatly appreciate a method of filtering this kind of crap out. Unfortunately, he also posts a great number of articles, and I don't want to miss those. Can you add either a second preference to filtering to allow Author->article type, or have RL use a different handle for posting 'features?'
Most of what I've seen re: responses to the finding of fact from Justice Jackson illustrates three things very clearly:
1) Very few people understand the history of the personal computing industry.
2) Very few people understand the history of Microsft.
3) Even in this late day and age, most people by far would much rather voice a loud and strong opinion, no matter how wrong it is, than do a little research and temper their ignorance with a modicum of fact.
We're so gullible to manipulation by the press that I'm ashamed to even be human.
Actually, go to his site and click around for a while.. You'll find a funny article about how M$ wanted to charge him for tech support on bugs listed in their tech base.
Lame, stupid, retarded, whatever, it's funny. Eat some fiber, or something. Go make your own web site, and post a lot of articles about why Linux sucks. Run a 'longest time to port linux to my backhoe' contest. Join the *BSnDwagon. Read about journalled filesystems for the linux. Etc.
The actual item of interest is what Intel chooses to do about this. Naturally, they can't conceed defeat without serious economic results (unfortunately, Money seems to drive the market more than performance).
Money IS the market: it's all about 'shareholder value.' Performance, customers, whatever - they don't care, all they have to do is show a greater profit next quarter than they did in the last.
Intel has billions of dollars cached away, if they were serious about this, and, of course, they weren't under such scrutiny by the feds, they would just give p3's to everyone in their stockings this year.
You gotta think way outside of what we do when you're examining issues like this, and remember, all large corporations are driven by pure evil. That's just the Way It Is.
Again, I hate it when companies do this, but: one, can you blame them and two there's nothing I know that can be done (if you know something please tell me!).
Uhm.. it's easy: Don't buy intel processors. Hell, don't buy anything. _We_ are the reason this boom economy exists, the more crap they put out there, the more we buy. You want it to stop? Stop it. As soon as those Xeons sit on the shelf and gather dust, the whole economy changes. I'm ready for it; I'm sick of paying a buck fifty for a gallon of gas.:)
Well, I'll certainly meet you halfway on it. I do apologize for calling you a liar, but I still stand on that grounds that what RH does (shipping a tweener kernel) is very different from what the article implied TL was doing - shipping a kernel with additional code specifiacally designed to 'add value.'
I did, however, state in all of my posts that I was referring to stock kernel + the AC patches, which I think you've proven for me. In any case, it's late, and this thread is old, and we're both right, and we're both wrong.:) Funny how that works out.
And, yes, _I_ was wrong, and yes, to reiterate, _I_ do apologize.
Actually, I'm making the assumption that Alan is responsible for putting the kernel together for shipping, but, remembering his interview, I'm prolly wrong. I _know_ there are Red Hat monkies reading this, speak up! Who puts together the kernel you ship? Who is the mysterious root@porky?
So, since Alan Cox works for Redhat it's OK for Redhat to ship modified kernel source, but not OK for Pacific HI-TEC?
No, since Alan Cox is one of the three core contributors to the linux kernel, since he regularly supplies updates, and since he is the person who puts together the kernel that Red Hat ships, it is ok for them to ship whatever the hell they want to - it IS the linux kernel. That would make a great piece of Red Hat Trivia - name all of AC's changes to the kernel shipped by Red Hat that Linus later nixed. I'm sure there are at least 1 or 2.
You insinuated that they were shipping extensions, modifications, or additions to the kernel that are not part of the 'stock' linux kernel, and that is false. Their CONFIGURATION of said kernel is quite different from what Linus or Alan choose to post, ie, the default configuration, but I know you're much too smart to be confusing configuration with code - at least, I've had enough respect for your posts in the past to hope so.
You can't call the GPL'd patches included with either Redhat or TurboLinux innapropriate because that complies with the GPL. And you can't call the proprietary kernel modules innapropriate (even though Redhat doesn't ship proprietary kernel modules with it's distribution) becuase Linus has made quite clear that he accepts the legality of priprietary binary kernel modules.
_I_ am not calling anything anything, other than calling you on crack - show me these 'patches' that Red Hat ships. The TL patches are really that, patches that apply against a base stable or devel release of the kernel. This is an extension of the existing kernel. Red Hat supplies, to my knowledge, no such patches. They supply a kernel, a stock linux kernel, usually a branch of the stable release. There are no PVM extenstions, there are no scalability extensions. I think you might be confusing the fact that they, by default, enable almost every single driver available to be built as a module, with them including extra code. They supply those modules because they are needed at install time to interface with the customer's hardware.
So, how is this different from Redhat, or any other distribution vendor? And how am I baiting flames with my statements?
See above for how it's different, and you're baiting flames by making completely false claims. A lie, to me, is always flame bait.
Maybe these guys can explain to me how the inclusion of Pacific TurboLinux's unblessed kernel patches to support clustering is any different from the non-standard kernel that ships with Redhat.
Now they must follow GPL licensing restrictions, but this doesn't legally prevent them from selling a tailored distribution which contains a mix of GPL patches and proprietary closed source driver modules... and it's not any more forked than the heavily patched kernel source that ships with Redhat Linux.
Please don't moderate total falsehoods like this up - this is flamebait. Alan Cox, the actual primary code architect of the Linux Kernel, is a Red Hat employee. While RH does often ship a 'tweener' kernel, or one that is in some state of AC's patches, there is nothing at all non-standard about it. They simply ship the newest build that they have on hand at the time of pressing. They occasionally even update the kernel image during single revisions.
And, if I'm wrong, please reply with a list of drivers or patches that RH has included since, say, 4.0 or so, that weren't available as kernel.org + current AC patch.
Secondly, IMHO, SCO's CEO need a lot more fiber in his diet. You could randomly take away every other file in Red Hat's distro, ship it, and it would STILL have 'more value' than SCO.
Eagerly awating any suggestions for solutions to this kind of problem. Perhaps it's time for an "Ask Slashdot"?
*cough*uniqueprocessorids*cough*
:) SEE! NOW you understand why Intel was so hip on PIDs. It was all a ploy to help out with ballot-stuffing on the M$ game zone. - And people say that they don't think ahead.
Wow, kudos to Mary Joe Foley for her well written response.
And she's right. There's an interesting comparison that can be drawn between restructuring for perceived market value (MSN) versus doing it out of, well, desperation.. (SGI) SGI is making huge strides and sweeping changes to their company, their rebuild is an all-content, no BS move. MSN is more la-la land nonsense.
To paraphrase someone from SGI recently, the market punishes lack of focus. MSN is nothing more than a continuation of M$'s strategy to get their BRAND in front of everyone. It doesn't really have to work or provide value to accomplish its goal. In other words, MSN, as a company, has no focus. So, they'll continue to be punished. I personally doubt that this matters much to M$, tho.:)
Here's some clue-food. I have a 390E, which is the internal, IBM version of this laptop. (Or at least, really, really darn close.)
I work for IBM.
IBM and Red Hat, in case no one has noticed, are about 2 miles from one another. They work together a lot.
My Thinkpad runs linux. The modem does not work. That particular thinkpad has the Texas Instruments PCMCIA bridge, which is an absolute bitch. I hear that the new PCMCIA card services fix the problems related to it, tho.
X on an external display at any decent resolution with this Thinkpad is really weird. I was not able to get it to work on the monitor I used. It either wasn't outputting a real signal, or the one it was sending was of such a high refresh rate that the monitor wouldn't synch. I'm also pretty sure that the display chipset has 2.5 MB of RAM, making it a wee bit odd. Afterstep, however, looks damned nice on mine. The built-in display on those laptops is _awesome_.
APMD works great. The infrared and USB ports don't work, at all with linux as far as I can tell. I've only spent about 20 minutes with each, tho, so I'm not an expert.
Red Hat 6 installs like a champ off of the CD-Rom, no problems, boots and runs. Yay redhat.
Any other questions about it, feel free to e me.
-- Blue it's marmot.raleigh.ibm.com, for anyone in IBM/RTP:)
You wanna know what burns my booty about so many of these patents? The things that people get away with calling 'technology' are just the same crap we learned how to do in any basic programming class.
For instance, these kids are going on about how their 'technology' 'targets' ads to certain sites based on who views what, blah blah blah. As tho databases and simple statistical analysis were something that no one had ever heard of..
I vote that no new patents be issued unless someone writes a whole new method of doing every single part of whatever it is they're doing, AND that new method is 34% faster on comparable hardware.;)
Or, of course, unless they write it as an apache module.. yum.
Erm.. didn't/. run for, oh, a few years on a single intel processor?
This is all really, really bad advice, imnsho. You ignore bandwidth, recommend 2 boxes instead of actually getting the most out of a single box, and even go so far as to insist on an alpha or athlon?
Just download it, (www.vim.org) and it does all of that. I recommend the.vimrc from dotfiles.com.. It contains all of the syntax hilighting and checking turned on.. Cool stuff.
Has anyone played with SGI's journaled file system for Linux? Argh.. I submitted this the other day, but apparently Warcraft 3 was more interesting.. (You call it sour grapes, I'll cal it wine...) 'ext3' (ext2 fs w/journaling) has been officially released as a testable beta. also, reiserfs is close (like, days) away from releasing a journaling patch. check out www.devlinux.org for more info. to paraphrase Hans Reiser, "XFS (on linux) is more of a well-funded press release than a well funded software prject." -- blue
X is a programming framework, a set of libraries. I can guarantee that the number of people reading this message who have actually used X as a gui, with no external widget set, probably numbers less than 10 or so.
Every X windows application is remotely displayable.
X does not support fonts. X makes calls to an external font server. That server may be cleanly integrated into what the user thinks of as 'X,' or it may be a cleanly deliniated sister application. You can use one font server for many instances of X.
The actual GUI is supplied by something a 'window manager.' This can be as simple as a set of primitive widgets, or as complicated as a message-passing framework under a rich widget set, as in the case of KDE or GNOME.
X is not THE future, but X is a future. It is extensible. It is modifiable. It works well. The things is does not do, it can be made to do.
All that aside, yes, programming for the X libraries does suck. Programming with GTK, however, is like swimming naked in a moonlit lagoon with Bo Derek. (As in, it does not suck.)
Yes, fine, this article was stupid. Note to The Andover Southside Krew: In the future, mebbe include a quick roundup of articles that only exist to get clickie points, in order to avoid giving them tons of hits from we who are bored enough to read anything posted here.
In any case, I really wanna send a large nuclear device at every person who posts here saying "Yes, but, it ISN'T ready for the desktop!" Just shut the hell up, already. If you do nothing but regurgitate the same crap you read, you're no better than Berst. Go waste your time posting snide comments on the zdnet 'forum.' It's much more fun than me-tooing the Brain Dead party line.
Oh wait, sorry, forgot, pine is much better then this.
Well, lessee, it takes pine less than one second to load. It takes notes, on my pII-333 w/128MB of ram, about 5. When pine loads, if I have less than 100 or so messages waiting, they're already available. When notes loads, I have to log in, because notes is designed to run on an operating system that is not multi-user, and does not enforce privacy at login time. If I, god forbid, had 100 messages waiting in notes, I could be pretty assured of at least a 2 or 3 minute wait for the _HEADERS_ of the messages to come up. Getting the actual messages is another wait. Whee.
Pine doesn't give a damn what protocol you use to fetch your mail. Notes 'databases' are the bane of my existance. They aren't databases, they're nicely formatted text files with stupid, clumsy interfaces. It's a _markup language_. Think HTML, but Sloooooooooooooooower.
Workflow? If you need someone else to tell you how to work, you're indicative of all that's wrong with today's (well, not like it's a new thing, but..) IS/IT workforce.
Explain to me again how wasting a _lot_ of my time makes notes better than pine?
I actually sit, in NT, with a telnet window open for mail, because waiting for it makes me apopleptic with anger.
obDomino: It's a web server that's capable of serving those notes 'databases.' As such, it has loads of value to all companies too lame to USE AN SQL-AWARE DATABASE like god intended them to. It also uses like 80 bajillion megs of RAM to run, and is pretty limited, from what people have told me, in its ability to hack together the sort of real world web sites that most companies actually use.
-- Blue, who supposes you'll start telling me how it's better than vim, next. Or mysql. Or apache.
Which, clearly, you do not. Are you suggesting IBM will port Montery over to the rs/6000? Or are you suggesting they'll ditch the powerpc chip in favor of the ia64? Either way, you're as clueless as you are anonymous.
And, who the hell cares if IBM 'competes' with SGI? SGI isn't exactly a juggernaut of the industry these days..
But I digress. The really interesting thing here is monterey. What _IS_ IBM thinking they're going to do with it? I have a hard time believing they'll dump it, since they're well known for holding onto dead projects till they crumble into dust.
Maybe they just want to get ahold of the specs so they can see how ia64 holds up to the new powerpcs:).
installer. I need to be able to feed it a script that says "install these packages, but not these". These moronic "Workstation/Server" install choices don't cut it. I need a tool to create a template for which packages to install -- nothing more. There are _many_ tools out there with which to make your own installation scripts. Check www.freshmeat.net/search.php3 for a few. -- Blue
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As somone else said, it's a MIPS chip. I think the distro is hand-made, more or less, by Cobalt. When I was inquiring about one a little while ago, the sales guy was hedging a lot about the distro. It prolly still has a 2.0 kernel due to the butt-pain of porting stuff to a newer one.
;)
Yes, it is overpriced, if you're a hacker type, but the value of this thing is more in the fact that you can drop it on the network and it pops up and works, and it has a lot of sweet configuration utils.
Config util screen shots ->
It takes up to 64MB of ram. The other issue is that people aren't sposed to think of this as a 'computer,' it is not designed to be used as your workstation - it's an appliance.
It's still overpriced, imho, tho.
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Free trade in the world guarantee that the best
products are produced at a competitive price.
Free trade guarantees nothing. We've had free trade here in America in the software industry for years - need I tell you where that thought is going?
the US, the best
country in the world. To think the contrary is
a symptom of stupidity and ignorance.
Heh, funny how that looks when you move the context around a little. I bet all those poor, unhappy, ignorant, and *cough* stupid FINNISH people are feeling pretty bad for themselves right now. Yup. Life is hard over there in the boonies.
The criminals in Seatle are for the most part
unions brainless jerks, basket weaving university
graduates and other morons.
Heh, you've just made this too easy.
Anyways, I use the subtle flame to make a point: There are no guarantees - we, as Americans, are not all THAT much 'better off' than a lot of citizens of socialist, semi-facist, or other democratic countries - Free Trade is about money, money, money, money, and it aint about money for you or I, unless you happen to be the CEO of a great big company.
Those of you who think otherwise, take a little step back for a moment, and ask yourself this:
"Would a group of representatives from countries that want money, meeting with a group of private citizens and/or money-driven politicians, be likely to seek solutions that benefit me in my everyday life?"
FUCK no. Money, money, money. None for you, monkey. WHY would they go through all that trouble to make YOUR life better?
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His features, like John K's, just plain suck. I don't CARE about his opinion, especially after the sexist 'how to find a chick' rant, and would greatly, greatly, greatly appreciate a method of filtering this kind of crap out. Unfortunately, he also posts a great number of articles, and I don't want to miss those. Can you add either a second preference to filtering to allow Author->article type, or have RL use a different handle for posting 'features?'
Thanks!
Most of what I've seen re: responses to the finding of fact from Justice Jackson illustrates three things very clearly:
1) Very few people understand the history of the personal computing industry.
2) Very few people understand the history of Microsft.
3) Even in this late day and age, most people by far would much rather voice a loud and strong opinion, no matter how wrong it is, than do a little research and temper their ignorance with a modicum of fact.
We're so gullible to manipulation by the press that I'm ashamed to even be human.
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Actually, go to his site and click around for a while.. You'll find a funny article about how M$ wanted to charge him for tech support on bugs listed in their tech base.
Lame, stupid, retarded, whatever, it's funny. Eat some fiber, or something. Go make your own web site, and post a lot of articles about why Linux sucks. Run a 'longest time to port linux to my backhoe' contest. Join the *BSnDwagon. Read about journalled filesystems for the linux. Etc.
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Firstly, that guy's web page is funny, dammit.
Secondly -
lets talk kernel compile times !!! flags used ? ?
Sure.. let's talk about how long it takes to compile that NT kerne.. DOWH! Sorry..
Btw, there are now 2 production linux file systems with journaling, and 3rd on the way.
And, I boot linux on a 486 all the time - it takes about 45 - 60 seconds.. Shrug.
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The actual item of interest is what Intel chooses to do about this. Naturally, they can't conceed
:)
defeat without serious economic results (unfortunately, Money seems to drive the market more than
performance).
Money IS the market: it's all about 'shareholder value.' Performance, customers, whatever - they don't care, all they have to do is show a greater profit next quarter than they did in the last.
Intel has billions of dollars cached away, if they were serious about this, and, of course, they weren't under such scrutiny by the feds, they would just give p3's to everyone in their stockings this year.
You gotta think way outside of what we do when you're examining issues like this, and remember, all large corporations are driven by pure evil. That's just the Way It Is.
Again, I hate it when companies do this, but: one, can you blame them and two there's nothing I
know that can be done (if you know something please tell me!).
Uhm.. it's easy: Don't buy intel processors. Hell, don't buy anything. _We_ are the reason this boom economy exists, the more crap they put out there, the more we buy. You want it to stop? Stop it. As soon as those Xeons sit on the shelf and gather dust, the whole economy changes. I'm ready for it; I'm sick of paying a buck fifty for a gallon of gas.
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Well, I'll certainly meet you halfway on it. I do apologize for calling you a liar, but I still stand on that grounds that what RH does (shipping a tweener kernel) is very different from what the article implied TL was doing - shipping a kernel with additional code specifiacally designed to 'add value.'
:) Funny how that works out.
I did, however, state in all of my posts that I was referring to stock kernel + the AC patches, which I think you've proven for me. In any case, it's late, and this thread is old, and we're both right, and we're both wrong.
And, yes, _I_ was wrong, and yes, to reiterate, _I_ do apologize.
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Actually, I'm making the assumption that Alan is responsible for putting the kernel together for shipping, but, remembering his interview, I'm prolly wrong. I _know_ there are Red Hat monkies reading this, speak up! Who puts together the kernel you ship? Who is the mysterious root@porky?
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So, since Alan Cox works for Redhat it's OK for Redhat to ship modified kernel source, but not OK for Pacific HI-TEC?
No, since Alan Cox is one of the three core contributors to the linux kernel, since he regularly supplies updates, and since he is the person who puts together the kernel that Red Hat ships, it is ok for them to ship whatever the hell they want to - it IS the linux kernel. That would make a great piece of Red Hat Trivia - name all of AC's changes to the kernel shipped by Red Hat that Linus later nixed. I'm sure there are at least 1 or 2.
You insinuated that they were shipping extensions, modifications, or additions to the kernel that are not part of the 'stock' linux kernel, and that is false. Their CONFIGURATION of said kernel is quite different from what Linus or Alan choose to post, ie, the default configuration, but I know you're much too smart to be confusing configuration with code - at least, I've had enough respect for your posts in the past to hope so.
You can't call the GPL'd patches included with either Redhat or TurboLinux innapropriate because that complies with the
GPL. And you can't call the proprietary kernel modules innapropriate (even though Redhat doesn't ship proprietary kernel
modules with it's distribution) becuase Linus has made quite clear that he accepts the legality of priprietary binary kernel
modules.
_I_ am not calling anything anything, other than calling you on crack - show me these 'patches' that Red Hat ships. The TL patches are really that, patches that apply against a base stable or devel release of the kernel. This is an extension of the existing kernel. Red Hat supplies, to my knowledge, no such patches. They supply a kernel, a stock linux kernel, usually a branch of the stable release. There are no PVM extenstions, there are no scalability extensions. I think you might be confusing the fact that they, by default, enable almost every single driver available to be built as a module, with them including extra code. They supply those modules because they are needed at install time to interface with the customer's hardware.
So, how is this different from Redhat, or any other distribution vendor? And how am I baiting flames with my statements?
See above for how it's different, and you're baiting flames by making completely false claims. A lie, to me, is always flame bait.
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Maybe these guys can explain to me how the inclusion of Pacific TurboLinux's unblessed kernel patches to support
clustering is any different from the non-standard kernel that ships with Redhat.
Now they must follow GPL licensing restrictions, but this doesn't legally prevent them from selling a tailored distribution
which contains a mix of GPL patches and proprietary closed source driver modules... and it's not any more forked than the
heavily patched kernel source that ships with Redhat Linux.
Please don't moderate total falsehoods like this up - this is flamebait. Alan Cox, the actual primary code architect of the Linux Kernel, is a Red Hat employee. While RH does often ship a 'tweener' kernel, or one that is in some state of AC's patches, there is nothing at all non-standard about it. They simply ship the newest build that they have on hand at the time of pressing. They occasionally even update the kernel image during single revisions.
And, if I'm wrong, please reply with a list of drivers or patches that RH has included since, say, 4.0 or so, that weren't available as kernel.org + current AC patch.
Secondly, IMHO, SCO's CEO need a lot more fiber in his diet. You could randomly take away every other file in Red Hat's distro, ship it, and it would STILL have 'more value' than SCO.
Eagerly awating any suggestions for solutions to this kind of problem. Perhaps it's time for an "Ask Slashdot"?
*cough*uniqueprocessorids*cough*
:) SEE! NOW you understand why Intel was so hip on PIDs. It was all a ploy to help out with ballot-stuffing on the M$ game zone. - And people say that they don't think ahead.
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Wow, kudos to Mary Joe Foley for her well written response.
And she's right. There's an interesting comparison that can be drawn between restructuring for perceived market value (MSN) versus doing it out of, well, desperation.. (SGI) SGI is making huge strides and sweeping changes to their company, their rebuild is an all-content, no BS move. MSN is more la-la land nonsense.
To paraphrase someone from SGI recently, the market punishes lack of focus. MSN is nothing more than a continuation of M$'s strategy to get their BRAND in front of everyone. It doesn't really have to work or provide value to accomplish its goal. In other words, MSN, as a company, has no focus. So, they'll continue to be punished. I personally doubt that this matters much to M$, tho.:)
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Are there ever a LOT of posts on this topic.
:)
Here's some clue-food. I have a 390E, which is the internal, IBM version of this laptop. (Or at least, really, really darn close.)
I work for IBM.
IBM and Red Hat, in case no one has noticed, are about 2 miles from one another. They work together a lot.
My Thinkpad runs linux. The modem does not work. That particular thinkpad has the Texas Instruments PCMCIA bridge, which is an absolute bitch. I hear that the new PCMCIA card services fix the problems related to it, tho.
X on an external display at any decent resolution with this Thinkpad is really weird. I was not able to get it to work on the monitor I used. It either wasn't outputting a real signal, or the one it was sending was of such a high refresh rate that the monitor wouldn't synch. I'm also pretty sure that the display chipset has 2.5 MB of RAM, making it a wee bit odd. Afterstep, however, looks damned nice on mine. The built-in display on those laptops is _awesome_.
APMD works great. The infrared and USB ports don't work, at all with linux as far as I can tell. I've only spent about 20 minutes with each, tho, so I'm not an expert.
Red Hat 6 installs like a champ off of the CD-Rom, no problems, boots and runs. Yay redhat.
Any other questions about it, feel free to e me.
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it's marmot.raleigh.ibm.com, for anyone in IBM/RTP
You wanna know what burns my booty about so many of these patents? The things that people get away with calling 'technology' are just the same crap we learned how to do in any basic programming class.
;)
For instance, these kids are going on about how their 'technology' 'targets' ads to certain sites based on who views what, blah blah blah. As tho databases and simple statistical analysis were something that no one had ever heard of..
I vote that no new patents be issued unless someone writes a whole new method of doing every single part of whatever it is they're doing, AND that new method is 34% faster on comparable hardware.
Or, of course, unless they write it as an apache module.. yum.
Erm.. didn't /. run for, oh, a few years on a single intel processor?
This is all really, really bad advice, imnsho. You ignore bandwidth, recommend 2 boxes instead of actually getting the most out of a single box, and even go so far as to insist on an alpha or athlon?
Too much infoweek!
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get a pair.com account, put your web pages on it,
and just update your webcam image when it needs
updating.
of course, then you get to pay for all that band-
width.. not a happy day when THAT bill comes in.
also, if most of your content is static, use squid
or some other transparent caching proxy.
Also how do you do syntax checking in vim?
.vimrc from dotfiles.com.. It contains all of the syntax hilighting and checking turned on.. Cool stuff.
Just download it, (www.vim.org) and it does all of that. I recommend the
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Has anyone played with SGI's journaled file system for Linux? Argh.. I submitted this the other day, but apparently Warcraft 3 was more interesting.. (You call it sour grapes, I'll cal it wine...) 'ext3' (ext2 fs w/journaling) has been officially released as a testable beta. also, reiserfs is close (like, days) away from releasing a journaling patch. check out www.devlinux.org for more info. to paraphrase Hans Reiser, "XFS (on linux) is more of a well-funded press release than a well funded software prject." -- blue
Re:No X -- we need a media-savvy, compositing GUI
The phrase 'media-savvy' makes me want to vomit.
For the purposes of this class, X == XFree86.
You're all going to repeat after me 100 times:
X is not a GUI.
X is a programming framework, a set of libraries. I can guarantee that the number of people reading this message who have actually used X as a gui, with no external widget set, probably numbers less than 10 or so.
Every X windows application is remotely displayable.
X does not support fonts. X makes calls to an external font server. That server may be cleanly integrated into what the user thinks of as 'X,' or it may be a cleanly deliniated sister application.
You can use one font server for many instances of X.
The actual GUI is supplied by something a 'window manager.' This can be as simple as a set of primitive widgets, or as complicated as a message-passing framework under a rich widget set, as in the case of KDE or GNOME.
X is not THE future, but X is a future. It is extensible. It is modifiable. It works well. The things is does not do, it can be made to do.
All that aside, yes, programming for the X libraries does suck. Programming with GTK, however, is like swimming naked in a moonlit lagoon with Bo Derek. (As in, it does not suck.)
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This grammar sucks. Anyone want to volunteer to work as editor for the mighty /.?
:)
I'll do it. I'm mean, tho.
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Yes, fine, this article was stupid. Note to The Andover Southside Krew: In the future, mebbe include a quick roundup of articles that only exist to get clickie points, in order to avoid giving them tons of hits from we who are bored enough to read anything posted here.
In any case, I really wanna send a large nuclear device at every person who posts here saying "Yes, but, it ISN'T ready for the desktop!" Just shut the hell up, already. If you do nothing but regurgitate the same crap you read, you're no better than Berst. Go waste your time posting snide comments on the zdnet 'forum.' It's much more fun than me-tooing the Brain Dead party line.
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Blue, loving life at -1.
Oh wait, sorry, forgot, pine is much better then this.
Well, lessee, it takes pine less than one second to load. It takes notes, on my pII-333 w/128MB of ram, about 5. When pine loads, if I have less than 100 or so messages waiting, they're already available. When notes loads, I have to log in, because notes is designed to run on an operating system that is not multi-user, and does not enforce privacy at login time. If I, god forbid, had 100 messages waiting in notes, I could be pretty assured of at least a 2 or 3 minute wait for the _HEADERS_ of the messages to come up. Getting the actual messages is another wait. Whee.
Pine doesn't give a damn what protocol you use to fetch your mail. Notes 'databases' are the bane of my existance. They aren't databases, they're nicely formatted text files with stupid, clumsy interfaces. It's a _markup language_. Think HTML, but Sloooooooooooooooower.
Workflow? If you need someone else to tell you how to work, you're indicative of all that's wrong with today's (well, not like it's a new thing, but..) IS/IT workforce.
Explain to me again how wasting a _lot_ of my time makes notes better than pine?
I actually sit, in NT, with a telnet window open for mail, because waiting for it makes me apopleptic with anger.
obDomino: It's a web server that's capable of serving those notes 'databases.' As such, it has loads of value to all companies too lame to USE AN SQL-AWARE DATABASE like god intended them to. It also uses like 80 bajillion megs of RAM to run, and is pretty limited, from what people have told me, in its ability to hack together the sort of real world web sites that most companies actually use.
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Blue, who supposes you'll start telling me how it's better than vim, next. Or mysql. Or apache.
Is doomed. Knowing IBM/SCO,
:).
Which, clearly, you do not. Are you suggesting IBM will port Montery over to the rs/6000? Or are you suggesting they'll ditch the powerpc chip in favor of the ia64? Either way, you're as clueless as you are anonymous.
And, who the hell cares if IBM 'competes' with SGI? SGI isn't exactly a juggernaut of the industry these days..
But I digress. The really interesting thing here is monterey. What _IS_ IBM thinking they're going to do with it? I have a hard time believing they'll dump it, since they're well known for holding onto dead projects till they crumble into dust.
Maybe they just want to get ahold of the specs so they can see how ia64 holds up to the new powerpcs
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installer. I need to be able to feed it a script that says "install these packages, but not these". These moronic "Workstation/Server" install choices don't cut it. I need a tool to create a template for which packages to install -- nothing more.
There are _many_ tools out there with which to make your own installation scripts. Check www.freshmeat.net/search.php3 for a few. -- Blue