So should the evil corporations pull out of those countries and leave them get back to their dirt farming? Would they be better off then?
Now you might say "they should pay them the same wage as an american worker!!!" but keep in mind that what would put you in a roach infested hovel in the US will put someone in a mansion in india, now are they being fair? So lets adjust the wages to match the local economy. Enough for a decent standard of living and decent food. OMG THEY'RE ONLY BEING PAID $50 A MONTH!!! THAT'S SO EVIL! EVIL CORPORATIONS!
Now if it's safety standards and basic working conditions you're talking about then I'm with you.
thing is it's easy to be pretty much totally anonymous on the net. bounce your connection through 2 or 3 VPN's (ones which state they don't keep logs and are based in different countries) and do what you want, if you're really paranoid sit into your car first and find a parking lot where you can see an open network or a WEP network. If you're really really paranoid spoof your MAC while doing this. Tracing you at this point enters the realm of the NSA and/or Magic.
Fear. Wait for the government to start locking people up/bringing people in for questioning just based on their Internet browsing habits, then make sure everyone knows about it.
if you get to this point it's too late, they can just send anyone found to be using the new network to the gas chambers.
It's not just like they could let big business have exceptions or poke through with VPNs
Sure they could. many companies in China have a vpn to the outside world and so are not affected by the firewall but individuals don't get the same thing.
What if the pain start while inside the plane? You'd have to be pretty thick to not see it coming, how hard is it to plan ahead? Very it seems if you're a shitty parent.
Think about this: to save yourself the fucking cost of a babysitter or longer ground journey YOU ARE RISKING YOUR CHILDS HEARING! If they're too young to equalise the pressure on their ears then it can do serious damage to their hearing, PERMANENT DAMAGE YOU SHITTY SHITTY PARENT.
Well in the case of the former USSR countries kinda, the policy became that they were unwilling to hold on to them by force. Course with all the armed men who hadn't been getting their paychecks for some time it wasn't all that peaceful. Australia formed peacefully compared to most countries. For that matter how peaceful do you think Icelands formation was, all the little villages just rolled over and declared one guy king for no reason?
The question then becomes, what countries were really formed in a peaceful manner and the answer seems to be "none"
"in the form of decreased demand for their products" I dealt with this.
My metal head friends generally have 2 collections of music.
a big case of blank CD's with pirated music on them which they're free with sharing, "wow that's good" "ya, wanna copy?here" and their precious "real music" with printed covers which stays in the cases and is only taken out for show.
They still spend all their money on CD's. Read that last sentence again. They spend money on CD's. Every single one of them could get all the music they want for free. Yet they'll spend all their money on CD's so that they can own "the real thing.
Also if your kids really have to travel on a plane and they're going to be in pain for hours, for their sake and the sake of other DRUG THEM. GIVE THEM PAINKILLERS.
Oh sometimes children have to travel but it pisses others off when the parent is sitting stating into space pretending their 5 year old brat isn't kicking the chair of the person in front and they're making no fucking effort to comfort/quiet the 5 year old screaming at the top of her lungs. These are what we call SHITTY PARENTS.
If I sit screaming for hours on end I'll be kicked off(bus) or banned(plane), your child is not held to the same standards as me, hence I can expect the parents to make some sort of reasonable fucking effort to quiet/comfort their younger children and tell the older ones to toughen up and shut the fuck up.
The irish state was formed after a violent civil war and more rebellions/uprisings than I can count on both hands yet our police don't carry guns on the streets and the joke about our army is "Join the Irish army, see interesting places, get to know the other 2 guys."
A state formed through violence can be quite peaceful.
Australia was formed peacefully yet they get a fair whack of the FUD that americans get about terrorism. Looking for nations that formed peacefully seems to be a problem since so few are formed that way and it's always debatable since often they came to be as a result of a larger conflict or the violence was limited to a handful of top politicians being bumped off.
Some of the countries which came into being when the soviet union fell apart were formed peacefully but are far from perfect when it comes to oppression/violence.
Which is fine until you you get someone inspecting your bags who's in a bad mood and you look a little like the guy his wife just ran off with. then he gets to fuck you up badly without breaking the law in any way.
If you want an idea of what authority does to people read "The Lucifer Effect" All they did was give one group the title "guards" and the other "prisioners" and within days they were animals. They didn't give any actual authority only titles.
now the question is, what would have happened if they'd called one group "guards" and the other group "citizens/suspects"
Then you end up with a lot of uniformed men busting down your door. In theory government authority comes from the people. In practice the authority comes from having a lot of big men with guns who do what they tell them.
I too like to keep my mobile on, on silent. If I'm somewhere where a call shouldn't be recieved then anyone who needs to contact me will know me well enough to text.
Said like someone who has procreated and doesn't control their kids.
Regular beatings. Sound triggered shock collars. Wanna bet on how many shocks before they're quiet as mice?
On a less brutal note try some regular fucking discipline. My sister somehow manages to raise 2 extremely well mannered children without ever raising a hand to them. I was surprised how much power "the naughty step" had over a pair of 3 year olds. In short she doesn't give in and let them be little brats like some parents do. If they're being a problem she doesn't stare vacantly into space and pretend that nothing's happening like many many shitty parents out there.
I keep it on max volume (which for non speakerphone is way too low). What do you do if the person on the other end says "I can't hear a word you're saying, stop whispering" I know a few fuckers who I have to deal with on the phone who are almost inaudible at any volume, speakerphone or not since they believe the phone to be some kind of magical device which can hear their thoughts even if they're on a busy street or a construction site.
I can get behind this 100%. Nothing like a screaming infant with an apathetic mother on a 4 hour bus ride with a 5 year old running around trying to break things and being ignored. Seriously, if you can't take care of them don't procreate.
By the end of it all I could think of was that poster with "Silence is golden.Duct tape is silver."
It's more because celphones are often too quiet. if I put it on speaker phone I talk normally, if I've got it on normal I talk like a retarded deaf man. It's cause if you can't hear the other person clearly because of noise on their end etc then you tend to adjust your voice as you would if you were having trouble hearing someone next to you talking.
Perhaps there is not in fact anybody on the other end and the person with the phone is just a mental patient who is holding the phone to his head to make it less obvious that it's the voices he's shouting at. And you wouldn't want an escaped mental patient walking around now would you! I mean think of the CHILDREN! They might get killed and eaten by insane people!
If people really don't want to be bothered by cellphones then the airlines could just ban people from using them on the plane and use this as a selling point. Why does the government have to poke at this one?
I keep forgetting that slashdot doesn't understand the idea of newline characters and so needs fecking HTML code to work.
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"After all, the nominal "cost" to the metro company of another rider is effectively zero. "
The nominal cost of 1 more rider is small, the nominal cost of 10,000,000 extra riders would be huge.
The cost to the music company for one song downloaded on a p2p network is exactly zero. the cost of 10,000,000 songs downloaded on a p2p network is exactly zero.
Changes the game a little.
Now of you might say they won't sell albums if people can get them off p2p sites, and you could call that a "cost".
Of course then you have to show that their sales droped because of filesharing for that "cost" to be valid.
Unfortunatly since the advent of filesharing the sales of most big labels seem to have climbed in a very healthy manner.
Now comes the point. I never used to listen to music. At all.Had no interest.
I tried out some filesharing sites in the napster days cause "hey, why not, I'm bored"
Got some music, I liked it.
Then I did something very very strange, I went and bought a copy because I like having a solid CD with a nice case, just like I like to own solid paper books.
Bought a bunch of other CD's as well.
Many of my friends are the same.
Total cost to the copyright holders: 0.00
Total income which they never would have seen otherwise: ~200.00
Total lost revenue: 0.00
But they could haul the guy I got the copy from to court and say "HE COST US 200 THOUSAND DOLLARS!"
On the other hand since napster died I've downloaded no music at all and I've bought none.
Who's lost revenue there?
It doesn't matter if a billion copies are going around online. If you get two thousand sales where you would have only got one thousand otherwise then you haven't "lost" anything to piracy. The pirates have not harmed you in any way shape or form.
The metric of "take [number of downloads]*[retail price]" and claim that as how much you've "lost" is stupid if in the meantime you've gained sales which you never would have had otherwise since if you've gained sales you would not have otherwise then you've lost nothing.
if you've lost nothing then what case do you have for claiming you've been harmed?
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So should the evil corporations pull out of those countries and leave them get back to their dirt farming?
Would they be better off then?
Now you might say "they should pay them the same wage as an american worker!!!" but keep in mind that what would put you in a roach infested hovel in the US will put someone in a mansion in india, now are they being fair?
So lets adjust the wages to match the local economy.
Enough for a decent standard of living and decent food.
OMG THEY'RE ONLY BEING PAID $50 A MONTH!!! THAT'S SO EVIL! EVIL CORPORATIONS!
Now if it's safety standards and basic working conditions you're talking about then I'm with you.
Well if it's an intel processor then the CPU and some of the other parts are quite likely manufactured in the US or the EU.
thing is it's easy to be pretty much totally anonymous on the net.
bounce your connection through 2 or 3 VPN's (ones which state they don't keep logs and are based in different countries) and do what you want, if you're really paranoid sit into your car first and find a parking lot where you can see an open network or a WEP network.
If you're really really paranoid spoof your MAC while doing this.
Tracing you at this point enters the realm of the NSA and/or Magic.
Fear. Wait for the government to start locking people up/bringing people in for questioning just based on their Internet browsing habits, then make sure everyone knows about it.
if you get to this point it's too late, they can just send anyone found to be using the new network to the gas chambers.
It's not just like they could let big business have exceptions or poke through with VPNs
Sure they could.
many companies in China have a vpn to the outside world and so are not affected by the firewall but individuals don't get the same thing.
What if the pain start while inside the plane?
You'd have to be pretty thick to not see it coming, how hard is it to plan ahead?
Very it seems if you're a shitty parent.
Think about this: to save yourself the fucking cost of a babysitter or longer ground journey YOU ARE RISKING YOUR CHILDS HEARING!
If they're too young to equalise the pressure on their ears then it can do serious damage to their hearing, PERMANENT DAMAGE YOU SHITTY SHITTY PARENT.
Well in the case of the former USSR countries kinda, the policy became that they were unwilling to hold on to them by force. Course with all the armed men who hadn't been getting their paychecks for some time it wasn't all that peaceful.
Australia formed peacefully compared to most countries.
For that matter how peaceful do you think Icelands formation was, all the little villages just rolled over and declared one guy king for no reason?
The question then becomes, what countries were really formed in a peaceful manner and the answer seems to be "none"
"in the form of decreased demand for their products"
I dealt with this.
My metal head friends generally have 2 collections of music.
a big case of blank CD's with pirated music on them which they're free with sharing, "wow that's good" "ya, wanna copy?here"
and their precious "real music" with printed covers which stays in the cases and is only taken out for show.
They still spend all their money on CD's.
Read that last sentence again.
They spend money on CD's.
Every single one of them could get all the music they want for free.
Yet they'll spend all their money on CD's so that they can own "the real thing.
Explain that with your basic economics.
Also if your kids really have to travel on a plane and they're going to be in pain for hours, for their sake and the sake of other DRUG THEM. GIVE THEM PAINKILLERS.
ah but no, drugs are bad, mkay.
Oh sometimes children have to travel but it pisses others off when the parent is sitting stating into space pretending their 5 year old brat isn't kicking the chair of the person in front and they're making no fucking effort to comfort/quiet the 5 year old screaming at the top of her lungs. These are what we call SHITTY PARENTS.
If I sit screaming for hours on end I'll be kicked off(bus) or banned(plane), your child is not held to the same standards as me, hence I can expect the parents to make some sort of reasonable fucking effort to quiet/comfort their younger children and tell the older ones to toughen up and shut the fuck up.
News for you: it isn't.
For the lazy parent it isn't, for me it is.
The irish state was formed after a violent civil war and more rebellions/uprisings than I can count on both hands yet our police don't carry guns on the streets and the joke about our army is "Join the Irish army, see interesting places, get to know the other 2 guys."
A state formed through violence can be quite peaceful.
Australia was formed peacefully yet they get a fair whack of the FUD that americans get about terrorism.
Looking for nations that formed peacefully seems to be a problem since so few are formed that way and it's always debatable since often they came to be as a result of a larger conflict or the violence was limited to a handful of top politicians being bumped off.
Some of the countries which came into being when the soviet union fell apart were formed peacefully but are far from perfect when it comes to oppression/violence.
Which is fine until you you get someone inspecting your bags who's in a bad mood and you look a little like the guy his wife just ran off with. then he gets to fuck you up badly without breaking the law in any way.
If you want an idea of what authority does to people read "The Lucifer Effect"
All they did was give one group the title "guards" and the other "prisioners" and within days they were animals. They didn't give any actual authority only titles.
now the question is, what would have happened if they'd called one group "guards" and the other group "citizens/suspects"
Then you end up with a lot of uniformed men busting down your door.
In theory government authority comes from the people.
In practice the authority comes from having a lot of big men with guns who do what they tell them.
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I too like to keep my mobile on, on silent.
If I'm somewhere where a call shouldn't be recieved then anyone who needs to contact me will know me well enough to text.
Said like someone who has procreated and doesn't control their kids.
Regular beatings.
Sound triggered shock collars.
Wanna bet on how many shocks before they're quiet as mice?
On a less brutal note try some regular fucking discipline.
My sister somehow manages to raise 2 extremely well mannered children without ever raising a hand to them. I was surprised how much power "the naughty step" had over a pair of 3 year olds. In short she doesn't give in and let them be little brats like some parents do. If they're being a problem she doesn't stare vacantly into space and pretend that nothing's happening like many many shitty parents out there.
Yes I don't plan to ever procreate.
I keep it on max volume (which for non speakerphone is way too low).
What do you do if the person on the other end says "I can't hear a word you're saying, stop whispering"
I know a few fuckers who I have to deal with on the phone who are almost inaudible at any volume, speakerphone or not since they believe the phone to be some kind of magical device which can hear their thoughts even if they're on a busy street or a construction site.
I can get behind this 100%.
Nothing like a screaming infant with an apathetic mother on a 4 hour bus ride with a 5 year old running around trying to break things and being ignored.
Seriously, if you can't take care of them don't procreate.
By the end of it all I could think of was that poster with "Silence is golden.Duct tape is silver."
It's more because celphones are often too quiet.
if I put it on speaker phone I talk normally, if I've got it on normal I talk like a retarded deaf man.
It's cause if you can't hear the other person clearly because of noise on their end etc then you tend to adjust your voice as you would if you were having trouble hearing someone next to you talking.
Perhaps there is not in fact anybody on the other end and the person with the phone is just a mental patient who is holding the phone to his head to make it less obvious that it's the voices he's shouting at.
And you wouldn't want an escaped mental patient walking around now would you!
I mean think of the CHILDREN! They might get killed and eaten by insane people!
good thing they're bringing in this law.
If people really don't want to be bothered by cellphones then the airlines could just ban people from using them on the plane and use this as a selling point.
Why does the government have to poke at this one?
I keep forgetting that slashdot doesn't understand the idea of newline characters and so needs fecking HTML code to work.
"After all, the nominal "cost" to the metro company of another rider is effectively zero. " The nominal cost of 1 more rider is small, the nominal cost of 10,000,000 extra riders would be huge. The cost to the music company for one song downloaded on a p2p network is exactly zero. the cost of 10,000,000 songs downloaded on a p2p network is exactly zero. Changes the game a little. Now of you might say they won't sell albums if people can get them off p2p sites, and you could call that a "cost". Of course then you have to show that their sales droped because of filesharing for that "cost" to be valid. Unfortunatly since the advent of filesharing the sales of most big labels seem to have climbed in a very healthy manner. Now comes the point. I never used to listen to music. At all.Had no interest. I tried out some filesharing sites in the napster days cause "hey, why not, I'm bored" Got some music, I liked it. Then I did something very very strange, I went and bought a copy because I like having a solid CD with a nice case, just like I like to own solid paper books. Bought a bunch of other CD's as well. Many of my friends are the same. Total cost to the copyright holders: 0.00 Total income which they never would have seen otherwise: ~200.00 Total lost revenue: 0.00 But they could haul the guy I got the copy from to court and say "HE COST US 200 THOUSAND DOLLARS!" On the other hand since napster died I've downloaded no music at all and I've bought none. Who's lost revenue there? It doesn't matter if a billion copies are going around online. If you get two thousand sales where you would have only got one thousand otherwise then you haven't "lost" anything to piracy. The pirates have not harmed you in any way shape or form. The metric of "take [number of downloads]*[retail price]" and claim that as how much you've "lost" is stupid if in the meantime you've gained sales which you never would have had otherwise since if you've gained sales you would not have otherwise then you've lost nothing. if you've lost nothing then what case do you have for claiming you've been harmed?
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