Oh sure, wiretapping should only be disclosed after the event- though it should be disclosed, if they find you're innocent then you deserve to know they've been intercepting your private communication. If they do find evidence then if they want to use it in court you have to find out about it.
Conversely, how will you feel if someone says that they intend to walk into the school your child attends and shoot it up -but they can't be traced because there are no logs?
won't someone please think of the children!!!
Would you be happy if people are able to coordinate planting bombs in a subway and can't be stopped because they cannot be connected to a real-world identity?
In practice if you're coordinating a bomb plot you're going to use some decent encryption/stenography. not create a "bomb planters conspiracy" facebook page.
otherwise freedom falls to the thug with the largest gun and the most righteous jihad. except this isn't just accountability, it's also a distinct loss of freedom since you cannot speak without fear of reprisal by those same thugs or jihadists. whoever keeps the logs can be bought, whoever holds the keys can be pressured.
"With freedom comes accountability, they that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
In reality no amount of logging will help with this as all you have to do is chain together a few reasonably good proxies in multiple countries and you're home free. In the case of serious criminal groups they can rent anonymity from any botnet herder.
Anonymity needs to have limits -when your right to be anonymous infringes on people's right to peace and well-being, then you lose the right to hide behind your keyboard.
the day that words can set you on fire or beat you to death anonymity will be more dangerous than it's lack.
in that situation I'd agree with you and I'd have a hard time seeing how they'd be able to refuse to keep records in the case of an official warrant asking them to keep logs on one of their customers.
What I oppose is the kind of general fishing expeditions that law enforcement seem to love- log every users actions then hand over anything and everything after a polite email from the police(without a warrent) so the police can snoop through the private lives of innocent people in the hope of finding a crime.
logging every site that every user visits through an ISP just in case law enforcement want to check up on it later to see if they're viewing illegal material is like putting a camera in every bedroom just in case law enforcement want to check up on it later to see if you've been raping victims in the room.
an equivalent to a warrant to search your house would be a warrant to search your computer not having your ISP recording everything you view for future inspection.
If you can be found and punished for that then you can be found and punished when you want to speak out against your government, when you want to say unpopular things, support unpopular positions or organize acts of civil protest.
And as such the police cameras in your living-room and bedroom are a necessary evil to ensure that you aren't keeping any kidnapping victims in your home.
After all in the case of major crimes privacy isn't an issue. Sure we could assume that you're not a kidnapped until you prove otherwise and it would be better if we lived in a world where these things weren't needed. But we don't. Innocent people need to be watched by the police so that guilty people can't go free.
I have no problem with being advertised at. Hell I like how amazon has a recommendation setup based on how you've rated what you've bought before. It's pointed me at more than a few books I really liked. I like that they're able to make good suggestions to me.
What I don't like and what will lead to me immediately permanently blocking all adds on a site is sounds in flash ads. Particularly that one fucking add which goes "HELLLOOOO" whenever the mouse passes over it.
I'm fine with advertising, if its targeted enough to be useful to me I'll even embrace it. but make it too annoying and I'll go to the trouble of blocking all ads on your site forever.
"Turn the desert to glass would solve the whole problem in one go. "
Somehow I think if the US exterminated over a billion people overnight it would only be the start of their problems. Think the world hates the US now?
I've heard people speculating that the most successful campaign the IRA ever pulled off was one with very few casualties. They bombed a few train stations after giving warnings (someone was killed though) and then phoned in similar warnings (with no bombs) for months.
When there's bombs exploding and people dying people rally around their government for protection. When there's no bombs exploding but the train stations keep getting closed and people keep getting delayed and being late for work they get angry at their government.
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It's still remarkable how they managed to convince so much of the american public that iraq had anything to do with 9/11.
I'm sure it'll be a great weapon for winning hearts and minds when soldiers take potshots at people with it as they're rolling down the street for shits and giggles.(It's non lethal after all, it's not like there's any evidence. The soldiers aren't going to get into trouble.)
castration mines- a lovely little invention, a land mine with 2 charges, one to throw it up to groin height and one just powerful enough to make sure you'll be singing falsetto.
Example of weapon designed to kill which can do the same job:
unfortunatly the chances of cameras catching you bursting into flames are slim. The chances or any cameras which do catch you bursting into flames not being confiscated for the sake of national security are even slimmer.
meh, I'm student and a comp sci grad and I almost certainly won't find anything but that figures enough that I'll be spending a few evenings this week examining the firefox source code.
I can't see how it could be to do with patents. the whole point of patents is that you have to disclose the design to get your patent. requiring people to include an auto-destruct in anything which contains your technology would seem pointless in such a situation... of course if the patents in question are just bullshit laywer-ese patents on a general idea explained through flowcharts or interpretive dance something like what their tech does then it might make sense.
If the company which manufactured my washing machine included a termite charge in their hardware booby-trapped to melt the contents of the casing should I try to open it I'm fairly sure that would be illegal in some way.
Well I already pay for a rapidshare account, mainly because it has a wide range of material(not just one companies shows etc). I have no problem with paying money, I just want easy access to a large quantity of material.
So how about following the library model.
Figure out how much artists get paid on average per copy for their works(apparently not a lot thanks to RIAA/hollywood accounting).
Set up one nice big central library with every work of art anyone registered for copyright protection. keep track of every access to it. Renumerate the artists on a per-access basis. Cut out the leeches. Keep file sharing illegal but provide something better. Give up on trying to stop people from keeping local copies- they can already record their own copy of everything that plays on the radio and the industry has survived.
The UK already has the Public Lending Right scheme where authors get a few pence per loan of their books. It's very good for lesser known authors and authors who appeal to the poorer sections of society and also for poor people who want to read books. It's capped(I don't think it should be) but I'd bet if every download was remunerated at a similar rate it would add up fast.
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Oh sure, wiretapping should only be disclosed after the event- though it should be disclosed, if they find you're innocent then you deserve to know they've been intercepting your private communication.
If they do find evidence then if they want to use it in court you have to find out about it.
Conversely, how will you feel if someone says that they intend to walk into the school your child attends and shoot it up -but they can't be traced because there are no logs?
won't someone please think of the children!!!
Would you be happy if people are able to coordinate planting bombs in a subway and can't be stopped because they cannot be connected to a real-world identity?
In practice if you're coordinating a bomb plot you're going to use some decent encryption/stenography. not create a "bomb planters conspiracy" facebook page.
otherwise freedom falls to the thug with the largest gun and the most righteous jihad.
except this isn't just accountability, it's also a distinct loss of freedom since you cannot speak without fear of reprisal by those same thugs or jihadists. whoever keeps the logs can be bought, whoever holds the keys can be pressured.
"With freedom comes accountability, they that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
In reality no amount of logging will help with this as all you have to do is chain together a few reasonably good proxies in multiple countries and you're home free.
In the case of serious criminal groups they can rent anonymity from any botnet herder.
Anonymity needs to have limits -when your right to be anonymous infringes on people's right to peace and well-being, then you lose the right to hide behind your keyboard.
the day that words can set you on fire or beat you to death anonymity will be more dangerous than it's lack.
in that situation I'd agree with you and I'd have a hard time seeing how they'd be able to refuse to keep records in the case of an official warrant asking them to keep logs on one of their customers.
What I oppose is the kind of general fishing expeditions that law enforcement seem to love- log every users actions then hand over anything and everything after a polite email from the police(without a warrent) so the police can snoop through the private lives of innocent people in the hope of finding a crime.
ah so logs should only start being kept after a warrant has been issued then?
lovely strawman there.
freedom to speak anonymously != freedom to rape people.
papers please.
logging every site that every user visits through an ISP just in case law enforcement want to check up on it later to see if they're viewing illegal material is like putting a camera in every bedroom just in case law enforcement want to check up on it later to see if you've been raping victims in the room.
an equivalent to a warrant to search your house would be a warrant to search your computer not having your ISP recording everything you view for future inspection.
If you can be found and punished for that then you can be found and punished when you want to speak out against your government, when you want to say unpopular things, support unpopular positions or organize acts of civil protest.
And as such the police cameras in your living-room and bedroom are a necessary evil to ensure that you aren't keeping any kidnapping victims in your home.
After all in the case of major crimes privacy isn't an issue.
Sure we could assume that you're not a kidnapped until you prove otherwise and it would be better if we lived in a world where these things weren't needed. But we don't. Innocent people need to be watched by the police so that guilty people can't go free.
I have no problem with being advertised at.
Hell I like how amazon has a recommendation setup based on how you've rated what you've bought before.
It's pointed me at more than a few books I really liked.
I like that they're able to make good suggestions to me.
What I don't like and what will lead to me immediately permanently blocking all adds on a site is sounds in flash ads. Particularly that one fucking add which goes "HELLLOOOO" whenever the mouse passes over it.
I'm fine with advertising, if its targeted enough to be useful to me I'll even embrace it.
but make it too annoying and I'll go to the trouble of blocking all ads on your site forever.
"Guidelines".
meaning that if you really piss them off they can hand down more.
"Turn the desert to glass would solve the whole problem in one go. "
Somehow I think if the US exterminated over a billion people overnight it would only be the start of their problems.
Think the world hates the US now?
I've heard people speculating that the most successful campaign the IRA ever pulled off was one with very few casualties.
They bombed a few train stations after giving warnings (someone was killed though) and then phoned in similar warnings (with no bombs) for months.
When there's bombs exploding and people dying people rally around their government for protection.
When there's no bombs exploding but the train stations keep getting closed and people keep getting delayed and being late for work they get angry at their government.
It's still remarkable how they managed to convince so much of the american public that iraq had anything to do with 9/11.
we weren't allowed used any programmable calculators or calculators which could store info.
I'm sure it'll be a great weapon for winning hearts and minds when soldiers take potshots at people with it as they're rolling down the street for shits and giggles.(It's non lethal after all, it's not like there's any evidence. The soldiers aren't going to get into trouble.)
really it was his fault that I fucked him to death with a knife.
His body wanted him to run away faster but he didn't.
So it was his fault!
How many total years in jail were served by anyone as a result of Mai Lai?
Example of a weapon designed purely to maim:
castration mines- a lovely little invention, a land mine with 2 charges, one to throw it up to groin height and one just powerful enough to make sure you'll be singing falsetto.
Example of weapon designed to kill which can do the same job:
a handgun, aimed at someones crotch.
unfortunatly the chances of cameras catching you bursting into flames are slim.
The chances or any cameras which do catch you bursting into flames not being confiscated for the sake of national security are even slimmer.
meh, I'm student and a comp sci grad and I almost certainly won't find anything but that figures enough that I'll be spending a few evenings this week examining the firefox source code.
twice as deadly!
Metal termites filled with thermite!
no no!
Metal termites!
they'll break a home appliance down within minutes!
thermite would work too though... weird... my spell-checker doesn't like the word thermite.
I can't see how it could be to do with patents.
the whole point of patents is that you have to disclose the design to get your patent.
requiring people to include an auto-destruct in anything which contains your technology would seem pointless in such a situation... of course if the patents in question are just bullshit laywer-ese patents on a general idea explained through flowcharts or interpretive dance something like what their tech does then it might make sense.
If the company which manufactured my washing machine included a termite charge in their hardware booby-trapped to melt the contents of the casing should I try to open it I'm fairly sure that would be illegal in some way.
Well I already pay for a rapidshare account, mainly because it has a wide range of material(not just one companies shows etc).
I have no problem with paying money, I just want easy access to a large quantity of material.
So how about following the library model.
Figure out how much artists get paid on average per copy for their works(apparently not a lot thanks to RIAA/hollywood accounting).
Set up one nice big central library with every work of art anyone registered for copyright protection.
keep track of every access to it.
Renumerate the artists on a per-access basis.
Cut out the leeches.
Keep file sharing illegal but provide something better.
Give up on trying to stop people from keeping local copies- they can already record their own copy of everything that plays on the radio and the industry has survived.
The UK already has the Public Lending Right scheme where authors get a few pence per loan of their books.
It's very good for lesser known authors and authors who appeal to the poorer sections of society and also for poor people who want to read books.
It's capped(I don't think it should be) but I'd bet if every download was remunerated at a similar rate it would add up fast.