If that were the case someone with a packet sniffer would either be able to see my password when I log into an SSL secured site or view the pages I pull down over SSL which would make it pointless.
It's almost impossible to hide that your're making an encrypted connection in any case. but the contents should be secure. Now of course the fact that you're connecting to a particular site isn't hidden with ssl, merely what's sent over that connection.
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It's because academics use the term "plagarism" improperly.
Fruadulently claiming work as your own? sure.
Dishonesty? Absolutely.
plagarism? Only if you've failed to get permission to use it from the origional author.
Hell some academics will call it plagarims if you re-use your own work in 2 assignments without citation which is clearly not plagarism.
It may violate some academic rule of thumb by the standards of those with unusualy sharp and spiky rods lodged in their rectums but it is not plagarism.
Slight problem with that is it probably fucks around with some of the freedom of movement rules within the EU and would be illegal since it would be very similar to fining people for moving.
But just for arguments sake- why not a similar system for primary and highschool? can't have people leaving before they've paid off the whole cost of their education.
Or medical care. You get your cancer treatment for free but actually log 'virtual' costs of a treatment onto a 'virtual' debt card for each patient. The same amount as if you were admitted to a a 'private' Hospital. If your debt is not paid and you want to work out of country, you have to *really* pay your debt. i.e. the virtual debt get's turned into REAL debt.
Also there's the point that the government, thanks to it's better bargaining position, can get better prices from the universities. My university degree was 4 years long. I got it for free(or close enough, had to pay a few hundred in fees). If it had been my second rather than first degree or if I was repeating(ie the government didn't pick up the tab) it would have cost me approximatly 7000 euro per year with a grand total of something like 30000 euro for a 4 year university degree. Now, taking a quick google for the prices at american institutions with a lower ranking (www.topuniversities.com) than the University I attended, only one was similar in cost, one cost more than my whole degree every year and most were merely significantly more expensive.
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Just to add to this- I didn't have any trouble with this in my course (in fact it was encouraged for some classes) but some professors have a barbed metal rod up their asses about students re-using their own work in multiple assignments and consider even that plagarism.(despite it makeing so sense as per the definition of plagarism)
And yet the vast majority do work, producing value for the world anyway. Particularly when they've already had to invest a lot of time an effort to get into college(and not just get in because daddy pays for a new wing).
The same arguments could be applied to primary and secondary level education as well. If you and your family have no debts then you have no incentive to work and use that highschool degree.
I live in a country with free third level education(only for your first degree of course) and when a crowd from my class went on a J1 to the states for the summer they were stunned at how half the people in the big colleges in the US seem to be rich kids with daddies credit card who don't give a fuck, just want to party all the time and don't do any work and the other half are poor kids who work all the time and are terrrified they'll lose their schollarships. That is not a sane way to run an education system.
On the other hand it could be useful since a program could do such a test against every known language quickly as long as you rented enough CPU time. I imagine such a task would take a long time to do by hand.
Ah I see you couldn't handle your bullshit being called so you changed the quote.
Gay people are quite able to have children. Gay couples have to come to some arangement with either a sperm bank or a woman willing to carry the child.
But so do pleanty of straight couples(or are they unworthy to marry as well?).
2: it is however even more stupid to imply that encouraging people to have hordes of kids for no particular reason is stupid.
3: because.
4: And yet there's pleanty of kids in the foster system looking for a home. it's hard to adopt because they try to be damned careful that they're not handing kids over to someone who will beat or rape them and will definitly be able to provide properly for them and the bar is set very high.
I wonder if they're going to ban carrier pidgeons as well since they also allow connections to the net. http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/
They seem to be claiming that it would allow somone to set up an unofficial ISP.
By that kind of logic just about anything at all could be used to connect to the internet.
If I was a big electronics geek I could theoretically set up a pair of toy laser pointers + some light sensors to allow me to relay internet traffic by line of sight (with crappy bandwidth) but that wouldn't be that much more complex than what they seem to be talking about.
Hell you could set up a piece of string with some motors and sensors to relay ip data IPOP (IP Over Pullies)
For your middle one it isn't entirely correct. A self signed cert is handy to the extent that if it changes you know something is up. If I connect to a site through a connection I have a certain amount of trust in, then connect again through another network and get a cert error then I know someone is probably be fucking around.
A garbage man working in NYC makes more than unskilled and semi skilled workers just about anywhere else in the world. It's an insanely expensive place to live. Earning less than a NYC garbage man without the cost of living in new york is nothing exceptional.
Sure. By outlining the exact scenario we're talking about and a number of similar scenarios I was in fact trying to catch you out! But you saw through my devious use of common sense! You see now that it was all a PLOT!
A few engineers working elsewhere have exactly zero effect on how politicians abuse their creations. I know it feels good to be smug and look down your nose at everyone from your moral high ground but news flash: tools are just tools. Anything which can be used for defense can be used for offense. Anything can be abused. The inventor of pepper spray by your logic could be said to be responsible for both the pain suffered by countless protesters at the hands of police with mace and also saving countless women from getting raped. The creators of the atomic bomb could be said to be responsible for both the deaths of hundreds of thousands and the saving of millions.
Because politicians will always abuse any power they are given. They'll abuse their power with wooden clubs or high tech lazers and if anything they do far less damage with the high tech stuff since they're more afraid to use it. Low tech wars have traditionally been, if anything, more bloody and more damaging than high tech ones.
Don't blame the blacksmith for what someone else does with the swords he makes as he ultimately has no say . Don't blame the programmer for what someone else aims his targeting system at as he ultimately has no say .
steganography+some solid encryption is pretty bulletproof.
Create a small encrypted volume. Drop your communication in it. Select picture from library of lolcats. Encode in the least significant bits of the image(or pick your own stenographic strategy) post lolcat to facebook page. check for new messages on contacts facebook pages.(try to distinguish this from teenagers regular behaviour) (automate this with a small app of course so the end user only has to worry about the initial setup and can then use it like email)
There are methods to detect when there are stenographic messages hidden in natural images but they tend to be computationally intensive and have a terrible false positive rate when you have to deal with large volumes of images which have been otherwise manipulated in other ways like lightening,darkening, recompressing, sharpening etc etc
Why not go for the best of both worlds? it'd be pretty easy to use some basic stenogaphy to communicate pleanty of information. Write something which encrypts your messege with public key crypto, hides it inside some lolcats and posts it to a facebook page.(this could of course be made reasonably transparent to the user.) Pretty much inpossible to pick out from the crowd and utterly secure.
And with what exactly would you be enforcing your alternative with?
Abandonment of defense research is probably the worse possible idea. Violent dickheads exist. You know how I know? because right now america is the worlds dickhead. Agressive military powers are not a fake bogeyman. There are pleanty of them in the world.
America deals with the problem by being the biggest and most agressive. someone else would just take up that title.
I'm not even american and I can see that their tactics while not nice have a kind of logic. and one thing that's good to remember is that being less advanced than an adversary.(and sooner or later there is always an adversary wether you go out and beat the shit out of people until you have one or just wait for one to turn up)
the problems is with war halk politicians and people who elect war halk politicans, not with the guys on the ground.
2 is actually pretty fair, not so much nonsense. Rape happens a lot, of course the soldiers on our side are just as inclined towards it but if you don't think women on the losing sides in conflicts tend to get raped a lot then you're deluded.
"or are you assuming that all its clients fight wars for defensive purposes and with the aim to create a minimum of suffering"
Does someone working at GM think all it's clients drive responsibly and sober?
It's someone elses responsibility to use the weapons defensively, not the engineers. If I make a knife which my employer then sells to you it's your responsibility to not stab someone with it, not mine.
You seem to believe that creating tools is morally the same as using them.
If I create a network diagnostic tool am I responsible for someone else using it to steal passwords?
If I work at the electric company am I morally responsible if the state uses the power I helped produce to kill an innocent man in the electric chair or a child sticks a fork into the socket?
If I work at an auto company am I morally responsible for the deaths caused by drunk drivers?
If I work at a weapons company am I morally responsible for the deaths caused by drunk politicians?
If I work in theoretical physics and do some calculations on neutron absorbtion am I responsible when that research gets used by someone else to build a bomb which someone else again uses to destroy a city? If so do I also get goodness points when a diplomat uses other weapons built as a result of the same calculations as a threat to convince someone on the other side of the table to not invade another country and kill millions?
If I work in bio-research and develop some handy new restriction enzyme which later gets used to develop bioweapons is that my fault? Do I get any positive score if those same weapons pressure the other side in some conflict into not using their own?
If I work as an engineer designing microwave emmiters am I responsible for the pain suffered by people who get mazered while protesting? If I sabotaged the same design instead and it didn't work in the field would I somehow escape moral responsibility for the extra deaths as the crowd is instead beaten down by more traditional means?
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at which point they'll say "we're ot suing you under the DMCA idiots. Safe harbour is not an issue here. just do as you're told or we pull funding"
If I want a better breakfast do I let people patent the steps in making waffles or do I let them patent an automatic waffle maker.
I see little advantage in the first over the second except that it lets them be lazier and not bother designing a machine to do it automatically.
one way encryption?
That doesn't sound right.
If that were the case someone with a packet sniffer would either be able to see my password when I log into an SSL secured site or view the pages I pull down over SSL which would make it pointless.
It's almost impossible to hide that your're making an encrypted connection in any case.
but the contents should be secure.
Now of course the fact that you're connecting to a particular site isn't hidden with ssl, merely what's sent over that connection.
It's because academics use the term "plagarism" improperly.
Fruadulently claiming work as your own?
sure.
Dishonesty?
Absolutely.
plagarism?
Only if you've failed to get permission to use it from the origional author.
Hell some academics will call it plagarims if you re-use your own work in 2 assignments without citation which is clearly not plagarism.
It may violate some academic rule of thumb by the standards of those with unusualy sharp and spiky rods lodged in their rectums but it is not plagarism.
Slight problem with that is it probably fucks around with some of the freedom of movement rules within the EU and would be illegal since it would be very similar to fining people for moving.
But just for arguments sake- why not a similar system for primary and highschool? can't have people leaving before they've paid off the whole cost of their education.
Or medical care.
You get your cancer treatment for free but actually log 'virtual' costs of a treatment onto a 'virtual' debt card for each patient.
The same amount as if you were admitted to a a 'private' Hospital.
If your debt is not paid and you want to work out of country, you have to *really* pay your debt. i.e. the virtual debt get's turned into REAL debt.
Also there's the point that the government, thanks to it's better bargaining position, can get better prices from the universities.
My university degree was 4 years long.
I got it for free(or close enough, had to pay a few hundred in fees).
If it had been my second rather than first degree or if I was repeating(ie the government didn't pick up the tab) it would have cost me approximatly 7000 euro per year with a grand total of something like 30000 euro for a 4 year university degree.
Now, taking a quick google for the prices at american institutions with a lower ranking (www.topuniversities.com) than the University I attended, only one was similar in cost, one cost more than my whole degree every year and most were merely significantly more expensive.
Just to add to this- I didn't have any trouble with this in my course (in fact it was encouraged for some classes) but some professors have a barbed metal rod up their asses about students re-using their own work in multiple assignments and consider even that plagarism.(despite it makeing so sense as per the definition of plagarism)
doesn't matter.
As long as it takes a lot of time and effort it forces people to get personally invested and so in most cases not want to waste it.
And yet the vast majority do work, producing value for the world anyway.
Particularly when they've already had to invest a lot of time an effort to get into college(and not just get in because daddy pays for a new wing).
The same arguments could be applied to primary and secondary level education as well.
If you and your family have no debts then you have no incentive to work and use that highschool degree.
I live in a country with free third level education(only for your first degree of course) and when a crowd from my class went on a J1 to the states for the summer they were stunned at how half the people in the big colleges in the US seem to be rich kids with daddies credit card who don't give a fuck, just want to party all the time and don't do any work and the other half are poor kids who work all the time and are terrrified they'll lose their schollarships.
That is not a sane way to run an education system.
On the other hand it could be useful since a program could do such a test against every known language quickly as long as you rented enough CPU time.
I imagine such a task would take a long time to do by hand.
Ah I see you couldn't handle your bullshit being called so you changed the quote.
Gay people are quite able to have children.
Gay couples have to come to some arangement with either a sperm bank or a woman willing to carry the child.
But so do pleanty of straight couples(or are they unworthy to marry as well?).
1: so it is irrelevant.
2: it is however even more stupid to imply that encouraging people to have hordes of kids for no particular reason is stupid.
3: because.
4: And yet there's pleanty of kids in the foster system looking for a home. it's hard to adopt because they try to be damned careful that they're not handing kids over to someone who will beat or rape them and will definitly be able to provide properly for them and the bar is set very high.
"That being said, if the officers are abusing their authority, document it and file a complaint. Do it repeatedly."
until you "trip" down the stairs and they don't have to worry about you any more.
I wonder if they're going to ban carrier pidgeons as well since they also allow connections to the net.
http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/
They seem to be claiming that it would allow somone to set up an unofficial ISP.
By that kind of logic just about anything at all could be used to connect to the internet.
If I was a big electronics geek I could theoretically set up a pair of toy laser pointers + some light sensors to allow me to relay internet traffic by line of sight (with crappy bandwidth) but that wouldn't be that much more complex than what they seem to be talking about.
Hell you could set up a piece of string with some motors and sensors to relay ip data IPOP (IP Over Pullies)
For your middle one it isn't entirely correct.
A self signed cert is handy to the extent that if it changes you know something is up.
If I connect to a site through a connection I have a certain amount of trust in, then connect again through another network and get a cert error then I know someone is probably be fucking around.
Self signed SSL is not "broken".
it's weaker than something signed by verisign but unless it changes it's still more secure than plain HTTP.
A garbage man working in NYC makes more than unskilled and semi skilled workers just about anywhere else in the world.
It's an insanely expensive place to live.
Earning less than a NYC garbage man without the cost of living in new york is nothing exceptional.
Your point?
Sure.
By outlining the exact scenario we're talking about and a number of similar scenarios I was in fact trying to catch you out!
But you saw through my devious use of common sense!
You see now that it was all a PLOT!
A few engineers working elsewhere have exactly zero effect on how politicians abuse their creations.
I know it feels good to be smug and look down your nose at everyone from your moral high ground but news flash: tools are just tools. Anything which can be used for defense can be used for offense.
Anything can be abused.
The inventor of pepper spray by your logic could be said to be responsible for both the pain suffered by countless protesters at the hands of police with mace and also saving countless women from getting raped.
The creators of the atomic bomb could be said to be responsible for both the deaths of hundreds of thousands and the saving of millions.
Because politicians will always abuse any power they are given.
They'll abuse their power with wooden clubs or high tech lazers and if anything they do far less damage with the high tech stuff since they're more afraid to use it.
Low tech wars have traditionally been, if anything, more bloody and more damaging than high tech ones.
Don't blame the blacksmith for what someone else does with the swords he makes as he ultimately has no say .
Don't blame the programmer for what someone else aims his targeting system at as he ultimately has no say .
steganography+some solid encryption is pretty bulletproof.
Create a small encrypted volume.
Drop your communication in it.
Select picture from library of lolcats.
Encode in the least significant bits of the image(or pick your own stenographic strategy)
post lolcat to facebook page.
check for new messages on contacts facebook pages.(try to distinguish this from teenagers regular behaviour)
(automate this with a small app of course so the end user only has to worry about the initial setup and can then use it like email)
There are methods to detect when there are stenographic messages hidden in natural images but they tend to be computationally intensive and have a terrible false positive rate when you have to deal with large volumes of images which have been otherwise manipulated in other ways like lightening,darkening, recompressing, sharpening etc etc
Really?
You're calling this a strawman?
If I work as an engineer designing microwave emmiters am I responsible for the pain suffered by people who get mazered while protesting?
In a debate about the morality of working as an engineer designing microwave emmiters?
really?
You're calling that a strawman?
I take it you don't like police or a standing army of any kind then since that's a pretty straightforward description of such.
Why not go for the best of both worlds?
it'd be pretty easy to use some basic stenogaphy to communicate pleanty of information.
Write something which encrypts your messege with public key crypto, hides it inside some lolcats and posts it to a facebook page.(this could of course be made reasonably transparent to the user.)
Pretty much inpossible to pick out from the crowd and utterly secure.
And with what exactly would you be enforcing your alternative with?
Abandonment of defense research is probably the worse possible idea.
Violent dickheads exist. You know how I know? because right now america is the worlds dickhead.
Agressive military powers are not a fake bogeyman.
There are pleanty of them in the world.
America deals with the problem by being the biggest and most agressive.
someone else would just take up that title.
I'm not even american and I can see that their tactics while not nice have a kind of logic.
and one thing that's good to remember is that being less advanced than an adversary.(and sooner or later there is always an adversary wether you go out and beat the shit out of people until you have one or just wait for one to turn up)
the problems is with war halk politicians and people who elect war halk politicans, not with the guys on the ground.
2 is actually pretty fair, not so much nonsense.
Rape happens a lot, of course the soldiers on our side are just as inclined towards it but if you don't think women on the losing sides in conflicts tend to get raped a lot then you're deluded.
"or are you assuming that all its clients fight wars for defensive purposes and with the aim to create a minimum of suffering"
Does someone working at GM think all it's clients drive responsibly and sober?
It's someone elses responsibility to use the weapons defensively, not the engineers.
If I make a knife which my employer then sells to you it's your responsibility to not stab someone with it, not mine.
You seem to believe that creating tools is morally the same as using them.
If I create a network diagnostic tool am I responsible for someone else using it to steal passwords?
If I work at the electric company am I morally responsible if the state uses the power I helped produce to kill an innocent man in the electric chair or a child sticks a fork into the socket?
If I work at an auto company am I morally responsible for the deaths caused by drunk drivers?
If I work at a weapons company am I morally responsible for the deaths caused by drunk politicians?
If I work in theoretical physics and do some calculations on neutron absorbtion am I responsible when that research gets used by someone else to build a bomb which someone else again uses to destroy a city?
If so do I also get goodness points when a diplomat uses other weapons built as a result of the same calculations as a threat to convince someone on the other side of the table to not invade another country and kill millions?
If I work in bio-research and develop some handy new restriction enzyme which later gets used to develop bioweapons is that my fault?
Do I get any positive score if those same weapons pressure the other side in some conflict into not using their own?
If I work as an engineer designing microwave emmiters am I responsible for the pain suffered by people who get mazered while protesting?
If I sabotaged the same design instead and it didn't work in the field would I somehow escape moral responsibility for the extra deaths as the crowd is instead beaten down by more traditional means?